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CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 17th, 2006, 12:48 AM
192-190 :worship: I thought i would add a positive thread about her. Do you think she will crack the 200 wins mark ?

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2006, 12:52 AM
192-190 :worship: I thought i would add a positive thread about her. Do you think she will crack the 200 wins mark ?

Actually her real Win-Loss record (ITF data) i.e. Tour main draws and Fed Cup is 84-123 and 29-56 in doubles.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2006, 12:53 AM
OMG :haha:

CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 17th, 2006, 12:55 AM
Actually her real Win-Loss record (ITF data) i.e. Tour main draws and Fed Cup is 84-123 and 29-56 in doubles.


:bowdown: The OFFICIAL W/L record INCLUDES ITF wins as they count towards the wta tour rankings just as much as the wta events. Its right on her official WTAtour.com profile:worship:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:08 AM
:bowdown: The OFFICIAL W/L record INCLUDES ITF wins as they count towards the wta tour rankings just as much as the wta events. Its right on her official WTAtour.com profile:worship:

WTATour.com official W-L stats is rubbish and nothing more!
3 wins on ITF circuit don't have the value of single win at WTA Tier I event.
Their records are unlogical. If you came through the qualification at Tier II and lost in the main draw first round you had the same W-L record (and ratio) like top 20 player who reached the semis at the event. But it's nonsense!

Guess who are the best grass-courters according to WTA tour data? Urska Vesenjak, Meike Froehlich and Marina Erakovic! While Graf is ranked 4th and Williams sisters trail... Karatantcheva! :help: :tape: :help:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/global/pdfs/rankings/2006/life_grass_sgl.pdf

LH2HBH
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:10 AM
WTATour.com official W-L stats is rubbish and nothing more!
3 wins on ITF circuit don't have the value of single win at WTA Tier I event.
Their records are unlogical. If you came through the qualification at Tier II and lost in the main draw first round you had the same W-L record (and ratio) like top 20 player who reached the semis at the event. But it's nonsense!

Guess who are the best grass-courters according to WTA tour data? Urska Vesenjak, Meike Froehlich and Marina Erakovic! While Graf is ranked 4th and Williams sisters trail... Karatantcheva! :help: :tape: :help:
http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/3/global/includes/TrackIt.asp?file=http://www.sonyericssonwtatour.com/global/pdfs/rankings/2006/life_grass_sgl.pdf

Win-Loss Record on grass does not indicate best grass court records, you fool. Include prize money and rank for the complete picture :rolleyes: All available at wtatour.com

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:18 AM
Win-Loss Record on grass does not indicate best grass court records, you fool. Include prize money and rank for the complete picture :rolleyes: All available at wtatour.com

Oh, really? And what does W-L record indicate then?
Just remove all fluke entries from the list and you will get the real picture with Graf, Navratilova, Williamses, Sharapova, Evert on the top.

new-york
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:27 AM
The Gift. Alex is on a mission.

When the moon will dance, the ulmimate balance will left the right and stars will be seen warming up the sun.

two more Alex. we've been waiting for the world to change.

new-york
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Guess who are the best grass-courters according to WTA tour data? Urska Vesenjak, Meike Froehlich.

:haha:

LefandePatty
Nov 17th, 2006, 04:16 AM
:rocker:

Beat
Nov 17th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Oh, really? And what does W-L record indicate then?
it indicates how many matches you won and how many matches you lost. period. it does not say anything about what kind of matches you won/lost or how important they were.
one (1) win is one (1) win, be it against nicole pratt or justine henin.

matthias
Nov 17th, 2006, 10:39 AM
they should split the lost matches in LOST and RETIRED

Kunal
Nov 17th, 2006, 12:18 PM
aint it easy like that

controlfreak
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:36 PM
192-190 eh? By my calculations, she can afford to play one more match before her winning record is gone forever :tape:

Ryan
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Oh, really? And what does W-L record indicate then?
Just remove all fluke entries from the list and you will get the real picture with Graf, Navratilova, Williamses, Sharapova, Evert on the top.



You're an imbecile. So because Alex hasn't won most of her matches on the main tour those wins...just fucking dissapear? Obviously when looking at the best players on a surface you can probably set a certain number of matches player to factor out the anomalies, but you cant deny someone VALID wins that count towards the rankings. Dipshit.

volta
Nov 17th, 2006, 01:59 PM
lawd :help: better get a coach Alex :rolleyes:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2006, 02:11 PM
You're an imbecile. So because Alex hasn't won most of her matches on the main tour those wins...just fucking dissapear? Obviously when looking at the best players on a surface you can probably set a certain number of matches player to factor out the anomalies, but you cant deny someone VALID wins that count towards the rankings. Dipshit.

Well, looks like I'm not the only imbecile out there cos ATP Tour counts only Tour main draw matches, Davis Cup and World Team Cup matches for player win-loss record.
And btw, a win by walk-over also counts towards the rankings. Does it need to be included in player W-L record too?

Ryan
Nov 17th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Well, looks like I'm not the only imbecile out there cos ATP Tour counts only Tour main draw matches, Davis Cup and World Team Cup matches for player win-loss record.
And btw, a win by walk-over also counts towards the rankings. Does it need to be included in player W-L record too?

Where does that come from? Walkovers shouldnt be counted in the WL record, but I never said that. :) Qualifiying and Challenger results are important to MANY player's careers, and they should be counted in their overall Win and Loss record. End of story. Ass-hat.

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 17th, 2006, 04:43 PM
Where does that come from? Walkovers shouldnt be counted in the WL record, but I never said that. :) Qualifiying and Challenger results are important to MANY player's careers, and they should be counted in their overall Win and Loss record. End of story. Ass-hat.

Then these players should add to their resumes "I only won matches in ITF circuit and qualifying; that's the only reason why my W-L record looks respectable". Male players seem to be more honest with themselves as most of them (in fact almost everyone outside Top 50-70) have negative W-L records.

The Daviator
Nov 17th, 2006, 04:51 PM
I agree with AnnaK, ITF records should be seperate, they're not WTA main draw matches, even if they're recognized by WTA.com :scratch:

Qrystyna
Nov 17th, 2006, 05:25 PM
I think she can win 8 more matches perhaps.... :lol: