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Kunal
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:30 AM
Soldier pleads guilty in Iraq rape and killings


FORT CAMPBELL, Kentucky (AP) -- One of four U.S. soldiers accused of raping and killing a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her family, pleaded guilty Wednesday in a Kentucky military court.

Spc. James P. Barker also agreed to testify against the others charged, a plea deal that helps him avoid the death penalty, his attorney David Sheldon said.

The military judge presiding over the case, Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, asked Barker why he participated in the attack in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad.

The crime was among the worst in a series of alleged attacks and abuses by military personnel on Iraqi civilians.

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker said in court. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

Anderson accepted the plea agreement, which calls for Barker to serve at least life in prison.

Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, and Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman, 22, members of the 101st Airborne Division with Barker, are also charged in the case.

Green was discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder" before the allegations were known. Prosecutors have not announced if they will pursue the death penalty against him.

The group is accused of raping the girl and burning her body to conceal their crimes, then killing the girl's father, mother and six-year-old sister. After entering his plea Wednesday, Barker gave the court a vivid account of the events.

Barker said he and the others were drinking and playing cards while they manned a traffic checkpoint.

Green brought up the idea of raping the girl and killing her family, he said.

"He brought it up to me and asked me what I thought about it. At a couple of points, I told him he was crazy," Barker said.

Barker said he and Green then approached the others with the idea, but there never was a verbal agreement to do it.

"Things just got set in motion, we just started changing (clothes), myself, Cortez and Green," Barker said. "By the time we started changing clothes, it was more or less a nonverbal agreement that we were going to go along with what we were discussing."

Barker said he, Green and Cortez raped the girl, and Green killed the girl, her parents and her sister.

Barker did not name Spielman and Howard as participants in the rape and slayings, though he said they were at the house when the assault occurred and had come knowing what the others intended to do.

Under military law, soldiers who are present when a crime is committed can be charged with that crime even if they did not play an active role.

Cortez, who could face the death penalty if convicted, and Howard watched from the audience as Barker described the assault.

They were accompanied by their defense attorneys and declined to comment.

fufuqifuqishahah
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:31 AM
all i have to do is read the headline.

Grohl
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:33 AM
that's just sick

Sam L
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:38 AM
Firstly this article is old.


And then people wonder why everyone hates America.


Secondly, this is uncalled for. Hating America is ok because of what these 4 soldiers did? Ok.

James
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:41 AM
Secondly, this is uncalled for. Hating America is ok because of what these 4 soldiers did? Ok.

True, we can't blame an entire country for the work of four sick individuals.

matthias
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:43 AM
wow - this is sick

"Sluggy"
Nov 16th, 2006, 12:36 PM
Soldier pleads guilty in Iraq rape and killings

And then people wonder why everyone hates America.
They were accompanied by their defense attorneys and declined to comment.

Haha, are U German, and you say this? Germans are reputed as amongts the most brutal warriors known to man, and yet you talk shit? wtf? I wonder what other nations you hold in low esteem, i can only guess. In every war women and girls get raped, it is not an "American thing", it's a male thing, and while we are on that note, women also rape women and they also rape men - so there.

That said, I've never heard a frenchman/frenchwoman say anything deragotary about American Soldiers who liberated France in WWII.

"Sluggy"
Nov 16th, 2006, 12:44 PM
True, we can't blame an entire country for the work of four sick individuals.

You'd probably blame just half the country, right? You'd blame the bible belters :lol:

ptkten
Nov 16th, 2006, 12:47 PM
I think this article shows exactly why people should NOT hate America. The people who committed these heinous crimes are being brought to justice and will spend the rest of their lives behind bars. The American government isn't trying to cover it up or celebrate their actions.

In many countries around the world, perpetrating the same crimes against Americans would get them a parade.

Sam L
Nov 16th, 2006, 12:51 PM
I think this article shows exactly why people should NOT hate America. The people who committed these heinous crimes are being brought to justice and will spend the rest of their lives behind bars. The American government isn't trying to cover it up or celebrate their actions.

In many countries around the world, perpetrating the same crimes against Americans would get them a parade.

Very well said. And that's reality folks.

"Sluggy"
Nov 16th, 2006, 12:52 PM
In many countries around the world, perpetrating the same crimes against Americans would get them a parade.

Do you get to dress up in custumes and blow noise makers? :)

tenn_ace
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:03 PM
lol at all the spins in this thread.

now imagine it happened to an American girl and her family and Iraqi soldiers did that. I would love to see the tune all of you would have been singing.

James
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:06 PM
You'd probably blame just half the country, right? You'd blame the bible belters :lol:

I would blame the individuals involved, period.

tenn_ace
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:07 PM
you are all forgetting that Americans went to Iraq with the honorable mission and not as invaders so comparisons to the Germans are just totally inappropriate. You are also forgeting that Saddam is on trial for atrocities against Iraqi people and what have thet gotten now?

Infiniti2001
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:11 PM
It's not worth responding to kunal's comments or even his deliberate attempt to draw attention to with such headline http://img166.imageshack.us/img166/2086/iconredfacehz6.gif---but Say what you will about America and Americans , please note that the Iraqi victims will get some sort of justice . Tell me, how many other countries in the world would punish their soldiers for their crimes during a war?

Kunal
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:23 PM
ok let me clear out the air a little.....

that line that i wrote, makes it look like im generalizing...i wrote it quickly without thinking about the connotations it might resonate among the people here.

I have tons of American friends who i have a blast with.

I was talking about the American Government....what happens quite often in foreign countries that have experienced contact with the US due to their foreign policy is that the negative experiences are sometimes viewed as an extension of the american society.....which is uncalled for.

the more discerning people know that due to the american government the innocent americans who are well intentioned face a tough time when they are travelling.

having said that i was not trying to get any attention grabbing headline. Period.

BUBI
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM
I think this article shows exactly why people should NOT hate America. The people who committed these heinous crimes are being brought to justice and will spend the rest of their lives behind bars. The American government isn't trying to cover it up or celebrate their actions.
Only very few of these cases ever become public. And these soldiers should be accused in international court, not US military court. But compared to russian army for example, us army is better organised and less corrupted and commits much less crimes.

In many countries around the world, perpetrating the same crimes against Americans would get them a parade.

What countries are these :confused:

saniafan2005
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:24 PM
I think it happens because the soldiers are not really motivated and they are frustrated of the conditions they have to go through and fight for nothing..
Also some yound kids are not well trained as a soldier. In this situation these kids loose balance of mind and do such things. They are being punished for that.

Lord Nelson
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:33 PM
What countries are these :confused:

Iraq, Somalia etc... Somalia paraded the bodies of dead U.S. soldiers. In Iraq, many of the Iraqis among their community are treated like heroes for beheading the Americans.
The U.S: soldiers should not be paraded in int. courts because Iraqis, Somalis etc... are not.

Infiniti2001
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Only very few of these cases ever become public. And these soldiers should be accused in international court, not US military court. But compared to russian army for example, us army is better organised and less corrupted and commits much less crimes.


What countries are these :confused:

Do you think any Arab country or any other country for that matter would give their soldiers up to prosecueted by the international community ?

Sam L
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Iraq, Somalia etc... Somalia paraded the bodies of dead U.S. soldiers. In Iraq, many of the Iraqis among their community are treated like heroes for beheading the Americans.

Vile. :mad:

BUBI
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:42 PM
Do you think any Arab country or any other country for that matter would give their soldiers up to prosecueted by the international community ?

Some countries would. And I always thought USA would be more just than arab countries. I guess not.

BUBI
Nov 16th, 2006, 01:46 PM
Iraq, Somalia etc... Somalia paraded the bodies of dead U.S. soldiers. In Iraq, many of the Iraqis among their community are treated like heroes for beheading the Americans.
The U.S: soldiers should not be paraded in int. courts because Iraqis, Somalis etc... are not.

Killing soldiers of occupying army is not the same as raping civilians and killing their family. And I don't think USA should follow the example of Iraq and Somalia...

Lord Nelson
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:03 PM
Killing soldiers of occupying army is not the same as raping civilians and killing their family. And I don't think USA should follow the example of Iraq and Somalia...

Nicholas Berg, Margaret Hassan were not soldiers. If only the U.S. soldiers should be tried in int. courts then it is irrevelant. Even the Yougoslav int. court is not like that since Croats, Albanians and Bosniaks (yes Stark!) are also tried along the Serbs. So to you only Americans should be tried in int. courts eh? Never mind that they are punished in their country for their crime.

rrfnpump
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:06 PM
I think it happens because the soldiers are not really motivated and they are frustrated of the conditions they have to go through and fight for nothing..
Also some yound kids are not well trained as a soldier. In this situation these kids loose balance of mind and do such things. They are being punished for that.

that is what its all about.

You cant give weapons and power to kids who spent all their time on playing shooting games or playing paintball before they went to the army.

and that has nothing to do with America (although one could really critizice their stupid propaganda for joining the army, its so far from reality.), as said, in war, things like that happen unfortunatly. Hopefully they get a life-time ban from society!

"Sluggy"
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:09 PM
you are all forgetting that Americans went to Iraq with the honorable mission and not as invaders so comparisons to the Germans are just totally inappropriate. You are also forgeting that Saddam is on trial for atrocities against Iraqi people and what have thet gotten now?

I wasn't saying that this can be compared to the Germans, i was saying that for a Germand (Kunal) to say this is a justification for hating Americans, is similar to people hating the Germans for the actions of several handful of evil nazis. Obviously, most germans are not responsible for what happened 60 years ago.

TennisSTUD
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:09 PM
[quote=Kunal;9496736]And then people wonder why everyone hates America.

Ignorant Comment

Rape happens everywhere

(http://www.indianpad.com/view/18605)

Princeza
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:11 PM
a rape is a rape, made by an american, an iraqi, a german, a french whatever it still smthing that has to be punished , soldiers or not.

LoveFifteen
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:13 PM
A few American soldiers do something heinous. Virtually every single American is utterly disgusted and outraged. The American government harshly punishes the accused after giving him a trial.

Yes, this should *definitely* cause people to hate Americans. :rolleyes:

rockstar
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:17 PM
sick bastards :(

an on the topic that we can't hate the whole of america for this, shows that we can't hate the whole of middle east for terrorism too, cos there are victims like that family

NyCPsU
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:28 PM
sick bastards :(

an on the topic that we can't hate the whole of america for this, shows that we can't hate the whole of middle east for terrorism too, cos there are victims like that family

i think the difference people are trying to make is that in america we are bringing these people to justice where in some arab countries these people would be some sort of heroes and people would be dancing in the street.
Yes I feel terrible for the family, its horrific and all, and i dont outright hate arab countries, but its a bad comparision.

Kunal
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:28 PM
yes like i made it clear in the 2nd thread it came across as a big generlization....and now it has been taken off.

simple as that.

germex
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:33 PM
A war situation is very abnormal and soldiers must have an us versus them attitude, however the following line makes me very sad:

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker said in court. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

The saddest part is that it is a growing feeling, Iraqi people hate American soldiers more, after the raping and murder, and will perform acts that will make the American soldiers hate them more, so it is a never ending story.

Both sides are full of anger and hate. And neither side made the decision to be in this situation, that decision was made by the Saddams, Bushes, etc.

Lets hope for peace.

Kunal
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:38 PM
the thing is that the bush administration....seems like it, had no contingency plans, no exit plans....perhaps they acted too soon without contemplating every aspect of entering Iraq and the amount of effort it would take to bring Iraq back in order.

Now they are finding it more than difficult to convince the american people ....and at the same time....they are getting more heat and hatred from the Iraqi ppl and their families who have lost innocent lives without any reason.

Kirt12255
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:45 PM
I'm in a mood...rough day so I'll just say it!

Since the inception of Mormonism....many things have happened.

Americans, Germans (yes even Nazi period), Brittish heads and many other leaders have been joined together and have a history. John Howard is perhaps chaffing at the bit to be involved...why else would he be so long in politics when he's pathetic?

We are all mere pawns in a sick game of politics.

If you can show me a leader of any of the above that doesn't lie between their teeth to vote-grab...I'll give you my p.i.n and you can drain my bank account. I want proof by the way that they don't lie mind you.

Live youre life and forget about the "Mens Club"....I refuse to vote and more than happy to pay the fine each time.

Kirt12255
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:56 PM
A few American soldiers do something heinous. Virtually every single American is utterly disgusted and outraged. The American government harshly punishes the accused after giving him a trial.

Yes, this should *definitely* cause people to hate Americans. :rolleyes:

Peeps only "dislike" Americans....hate is a harsh word to use at any time. We "dislike" you because youre hot-dogs look fantastic and you have big arse pretzels.;)

samsung101
Nov 16th, 2006, 03:25 PM
He'll go to jail for that. As will his other soldier friends
who covered up for him. He'll be punished.

Locally, this is something that is being covered a lot. The
Marines and soldiers are disgusted with what they did. It
hurts all of them deeply. They want the guy dead.

It's shameful. For what he did to the family there, and what
he did to his fellow soldiers for years to come.

The USA punishes their men and women who do these things.
His time in prison will be hell. As it should be.


Personally, he should get the death penalty, in my view.


But, this isn't the military. It isn't the culture. He snapped.
He did the wrong. The same military he is part of, quickly,
investigated him, and got confessions out of them. In the
civilian world, he'd still be on trial, telling us he was abused
as a baby, or his dog died, or his 1st grade teacher was mean
to him...some stupid excuse for his behavior.

He's done. For the rest of his life. Good riddance.

The USA and the Iraq govt. should try to do whatever it can
for the family. Forever. Nothing is enough.
--------------

In Saddam's Iraq, he would have received a promotion for
this. Uday and Qusay were experts at this sort of thing.
They led the nation.



Rape and violence and war is something the UN knows of.

What did the UN do to the 'peacekeeping' soldiers who stood
around while women and children were raped in Africa in the
past few years? Nothing. The UN soldiers sometimes joined in
while in the Congo.

The Times of London ran a series on this, much to the silence
of the world community. The UN's Abu Ghraib that made little
headlines. Why? They weren't American.

The UN peacekeeping forces have a history of this. It just goes
largely underreported.

"Sluggy"
Nov 16th, 2006, 03:29 PM
I don't agree with what Kunal said. These are ignorant comments. Sluggy, Kunal is an ethnic Indian like me. India is a good friend of the U.S.

You're Indian? And to think I condidered you my friend ....















JUST KIDDING

Paneru
Nov 16th, 2006, 05:13 PM
Disgusting! :o

Humanity, where has it gone?

treufreund
Nov 16th, 2006, 06:14 PM
a rape is a rape, made by an american, an iraqi, a german, a french whatever it still smthing that has to be punished , soldiers or not.

this was not just a rape. this was a rape and then 4 brutal murders!

azdaja
Nov 16th, 2006, 08:32 PM
you are all forgetting that Americans went to Iraq with the honorable mission and not as invaders
yeah, how could i forget that.

Chris 84
Nov 16th, 2006, 08:43 PM
What Kunal said about this being why the world hates America is actually a valid point.

Of course the specific actions of these soldiers do not represent America, but the USA sent soldiers to Iraq saying that they were going to liberate the population, etc. The fact of the matter is that many Iraqis have been arrested, tortured, bombed, and in this case, they have been raped and killed. The only reason that these events happened was because the Americans decided to invade and occupy Iraq. Therefore, I think that it is only natural that those who have lost loved ones due to American actions will hate Iraq.

Invasion and occupation inevitably leads to hatred.

LoveFifteen
Nov 16th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Humanity, where has it gone?

Well, if it's any comfort, things have been pretty heinous from the beginning. :hug:

mykarma
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Soldier pleads guilty in Iraq rape and killings


FORT CAMPBELL, Kentucky (AP) -- One of four U.S. soldiers accused of raping and killing a 14-year-old Iraqi girl and killing her family, pleaded guilty Wednesday in a Kentucky military court.

Spc. James P. Barker also agreed to testify against the others charged, a plea deal that helps him avoid the death penalty, his attorney David Sheldon said.

The military judge presiding over the case, Lt. Col. Richard Anderson, asked Barker why he participated in the attack in Mahmoudiya, a village about 20 miles south of Baghdad.

The crime was among the worst in a series of alleged attacks and abuses by military personnel on Iraqi civilians.

"I hated Iraqis, your honor," Barker said in court. "They can smile at you, then shoot you in your face without even thinking about it."

Anderson accepted the plea agreement, which calls for Barker to serve at least life in prison.

Sgt. Paul E. Cortez, 24, and Pfc. Jesse V. Spielman, 22, members of the 101st Airborne Division with Barker, are also charged in the case.

Green was discharged from the Army for a "personality disorder" before the allegations were known. Prosecutors have not announced if they will pursue the death penalty against him.

The group is accused of raping the girl and burning her body to conceal their crimes, then killing the girl's father, mother and six-year-old sister. After entering his plea Wednesday, Barker gave the court a vivid account of the events.

Barker said he and the others were drinking and playing cards while they manned a traffic checkpoint.

Green brought up the idea of raping the girl and killing her family, he said.

"He brought it up to me and asked me what I thought about it. At a couple of points, I told him he was crazy," Barker said.

Barker said he and Green then approached the others with the idea, but there never was a verbal agreement to do it.

"Things just got set in motion, we just started changing (clothes), myself, Cortez and Green," Barker said. "By the time we started changing clothes, it was more or less a nonverbal agreement that we were going to go along with what we were discussing."

Barker said he, Green and Cortez raped the girl, and Green killed the girl, her parents and her sister.

Barker did not name Spielman and Howard as participants in the rape and slayings, though he said they were at the house when the assault occurred and had come knowing what the others intended to do.

Under military law, soldiers who are present when a crime is committed can be charged with that crime even if they did not play an active role.

Cortez, who could face the death penalty if convicted, and Howard watched from the audience as Barker described the assault.

They were accompanied by their defense attorneys and declined to comment.
A bunch of sick m'utafukers. How absolutely sick.

©@®eLess
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:38 PM
True, we can't blame an entire country for the work of four sick individuals.

wow why didnt ur remember that when NATO bombed Serbia....but when America does crime...DONT BLAME US...such a double shit of standards...

Chris 84
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:42 PM
wow why didnt ur remember that when NATO bombed Serbia....but when America does crime...DONT BLAME US...such a double shit of standards...

The bombing of Serbia by NATO was the first ever anti-war demo I took part in :wavey:

©@®eLess
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Disgusting! :o

Humanity, where has it gone?

long time ago...when apes turned into humans...

Kart
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:55 PM
It's disturbing to me that a group of men could get this kind of idea into their minds and then all get together to do it without one of them expressing objection or staying away at least.

It doesn't say anything about Americans in general but I wonder if it says something about soldiers in general ... or maybe their training, after all it must take a certain mindset to participate in a war :shrug:.

Kunal
Nov 17th, 2006, 06:36 AM
Perhaps there is an element of brainwashing....mental hardening.....total war mentality....

this takes out the humaness away from the whole endevor....and sometimes ppl can snap......the ones with shady undertones....the worst side of their personilty comes out from such circumstances.

This is somethng that can be looked at during training....cultural tolerances....understanding the perspective of the other side.....empathizing...these are also things that are important for a soldier to have especially when they are on such missions in places witha totally different background

azdaja
Nov 17th, 2006, 09:45 AM
It doesn't say anything about Americans in general but I wonder if it says something about soldiers in general ... or maybe their training, after all it must take a certain mindset to participate in a war :shrug:.
that's true. fighting in a war is never easy and a war like this even less so. i read about this in a few places and it seems that all members of the squad this soldier belonged to are either dead or in prison. apart from hating iraqis they also said that this war was different from the wars of the past, that the old wars were "about something" and this one was "about nothing". they seem deeply demoralised.

this is what happens when you send soldiers to fight wars of this kind. torture, rape and massacres follow. soldiers who did this should be punished, but people should ask themselves about the nature of this war as well.

and of course this will influence the way a lot of people see america. it always does. just like terrorism influences the way a lot of people think about muslims. and just like the wars in former yugoslavia influenced the way a lot of people think about the people from there (just because i saw it on another thread a few days ago). it shouldn't be that way, so keep that in mind the next time you start believing that people in some other place may be exceptionally violent.

mykarma
Nov 18th, 2006, 10:48 PM
this was not just a rape. this was a rape and then 4 brutal murders!
Not just a rape and 4 brutal murders, but a gang rape on an innocent child, and 4 brutal murders.