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Sugar_Kane
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Do you still think they are a dominating force on the tour or have they taken a back seat?

Geertvg
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:21 PM
I think they are stronger than ever really, if you take a lok at the top 10 and top 20... Wowza! The Americans really must be jealous of that, being overtaken like that!

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:23 PM
In 2004 Russians won 3 majors, but not week in and week out.
This year, Russians won more titles, but no domination at the majors.

6 of the top 13 are Russian, and 4 of them are 21 and under.

Sam L
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:24 PM
What Russians? Oh you mean Maria Sharapova, Tsarina of all Russias? :confused:

vutt
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:30 PM
I think they are stronger than ever really, if you take a lok at the top 10 and top 20... Wowza! The Americans really must be jealous of that, being overtaken like that!

But in YEC they where clearly on receiving end. Only Sharapova managed to produce semi-ok result.

ioni
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:34 PM
In 2004 Russians won 3 majors, but not week in and week out.
This year, Russians won more titles, but no domination at the majors.

6 of the top 13 are Russian, and 4 of them are 21 and under.

6 ? not five ? evil:

Geertvg
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:35 PM
But when you look at the whole year, you see that there's plenty of Russian dominance :) Petrova and Kuznetsova on clay, for instance. And there's even some junior coming up.

Russia VS China, I guess that's the future of women tennis :)

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:38 PM
6 ? not five ? Well, 6 have Russian passports, 5 have played Fed Cup for Russia.

selyoink
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Yes they are still a force. Sharapova won a slam, Kuznetsova was a runner up, and Petrova dominated on clay till her injury. Dementieva won a Tier I. Safina produced some great results. Chakvetadze won a Tier I. Zvonareva started playing well again.

Sugar_Kane
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:44 PM
Well, 6 have Russian passports, 5 have played Fed Cup for Russia.

Well that will change nest year when Maria plays the fedcup!

Dan23
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM
6 ? not five ? evil:
6 when it suits her :rolleyes: :o

hdfb
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:45 PM
2 years ago you had a variety of players.

Now it's pretty much Sharapova most of the time.... I would have to also say the Russians took advantage of a slightly weaker period in tennis in 2004.

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Nadia was winning 23 of 24 matches, and reached #3, when she was injured.
Sveta won Miami and made the RG final, and she had an abdominal injury over the summer.
But I don't care about excuses. Results are results.
If Nadia and Sveta are good enough to challenge for #1, they have to show it on the court, not on a message board.

ioni
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:50 PM
6 when it suits her :rolleyes: :o

i've notice that ;)

Geertvg
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:53 PM
And it's not only the top players mentioned above, there's also Safina, Chakvetadze, Vesnina, Zvonareva and Kirilenko...

Sugar_Kane
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:58 PM
And it's not only the top players mentioned above, there's also Safina, Chakvetadze, Vesnina, Zvonareva and Kirilenko...

Kirilenko's hardly been a force to be reckoned with...she let down the russian girls at the Fed Cup:o

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:00 PM
Kirilenko's hardly been a force to be reckoned with...she let down the russian girls at the Fed Cup:oIt wasn't Kirilenko's fault.
At least she showed up for the tie.

ioni
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:08 PM
It wasn't Kirilenko's fault.
At least she showed up for the tie.

:tape:

madame_maria
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:11 PM
yea i guess probably by June next year, we'll be having more people turning up and having positive win-loss records huh? :)

the cat
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:18 PM
GL is once again counting Maria Sharapova as one of the Russina's. :yeah: But it's long overdue. :o

And the people who deserve the blame for Russia losing their Fed Cup Tie to Belgium are Nadia Petrova and Shamil Tarpischev. I still can't believe Tarpischev chose Kirilenko to play a must win match against Clijsters instead of Safina who is much better on clay than Kirilenko is. :scratch:

felipe2004
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:27 PM
Well, they won 8 of the 10 Tier I titles played, and had four players in the Masters, so that pretty much says that they are still a force on tour ;)

sugimomo
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:37 PM
a lot of good players were injured during "the year of the russians. eg juju, kim and momo(for some parts). things would of been a lot different if they were not injured.

Shonami Slam
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:43 PM
i posted a thread regarding two russian streaks throughout the season, within them they were winning a tourny every week, added finalists and an extreme amount of semi-finalists.
it proved that while 2004 produced the slam goods, this year they were the only thing of consistent basis asides the actual slam winners.

saki
Nov 15th, 2006, 05:38 PM
I don't think 2004 was a weak period for the WTA. Myskina has always been streaky - she produced an amazing streak at a GS. Sveta and Maria just showed an unexpected glimpse of their future promise. Maria is a GS champion again this year and Sveta was in a final again.

I will be suprised if Maria doesn't end her career well into double figures in GS titles - she's 19 and already has two. Sveta will win more too. And Nadia will if she can get her head together.

What we saw in 2004 was a glimpse of what will be the future of the WTA.

Jason_kidd05
Nov 15th, 2006, 05:46 PM
I don't think 2004 was a weak period for the WTA. Myskina has always been streaky - she produced an amazing streak at a GS. Sveta and Maria just showed an unexpected glimpse of their future promise. Maria is a GS champion again this year and Sveta was in a final again.

I will be suprised if Maria doesn't end her career well into double figures in GS titles - she's 19 and already has two. Sveta will win more too. And Nadia will if she can get her head together.

What we saw in 2004 was a glimpse of what will be the future of the WTA.

I think only one russian is improving since 2004 and you all know her name. The others are silmply mediocre players who reach semifinal or final by mistake. The proof is this YEC where Masha was the only who proved she is a great player the other one choke in Madrid.

LH2HBH
Nov 15th, 2006, 05:55 PM
I think they are.

We can take a look at the season ending rankings of the top 5 russians since 2003 for a fair comparision.

2003 - Average Rank 12.2 :cool:

#7. MYSKINA, Anastasia
#8. DEMENTIEVA, Elena
#12. PETROVA, Nadia
#13. ZVONAREVA, Vera
#21. BOVINA, Elena

2004 - Average Rank 5.8 :eek:

#3. MYSKINA, Anastasia
#4. SHARAPOVA, Maria
#5. KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana
#6. DEMENTIEVA, Elena
#11. ZVONAREVA, Vera

2005 - Average Rank 10.4 ;)

#4. SHARAPOVA, Maria
#8. DEMENTIEVA, Elena
#9. PETROVA, Nadia
#14. MYSKINA, Anastasia
#17. LIKHOVTSEVA, Elena

2006 - Average Rank 6.2 :worship:

#2. SHARAPOVA, Maria
#4. KUZNETSOVA, Svetlana
#6. PETROVA, Nadia
#8. DEMENTIEVA, Elena
#11. SAFINA, Dinara

THE VERDICT! Nothing could be as good as 2004 but 2006 is very close!

7~LV3
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:20 PM
well.. Two years ago..they were winning by accident..!! now theyre wining base on hardwork..

Nicols89
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:30 PM
well.. Two years ago..they were winning by accident..!! now theyre wining base on hardwork..

what do you mean on "winning by accident":rolleyes:
how can anyone win by an accident its just imposible, either if your opponent is injured or you have a "cakewalk" you always are going to win base on hardwork:p

Wayn77
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:57 PM
They may not be winning many slams in 2006 but look at the numbers compared to other nations in the top 20: truly impressive, near-domination I would call it. Big tournament victories in 2006 for Petrova (five!), Kuznetsova, Dementieva and Chaka. Who knows even Maria Kirilenko might get her act together next year. With that strength - anyone willing to bet against them for the Fed Cup in 2007?

The Daviator
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:05 PM
5 different Russians winning 8/10 Tier Is this year was :worship: Shame Myskina has fallen away a bit, if she was playing like her 2004 self, there would be 5 elite Russians challenging for Slams, and a bunch of up-and-comers, as it is, Russia is still the most prominent nation in women's tennis...

treufreund
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Russians are a force due to their large numbers and athletic endurance and willingness to play a lot of tourneys and good baseline play. They are still mostly rather one-dimensional (petrova and kuzy are a bit more varied but kuzy has poor footwork and petrova is too streaky). To me, they just lack a complete game. Momo, Hingis, Kim, Juju and a fit Serena or Lindsay are still more complete players. But the Russians are doing well and are here for the long haul.

jazar
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:37 PM
the russians are definitely still a force. i think it was john macenroe who said they have success because they literally are hungry for it cos they need the money to help feed their families. so they will keep on dominating. when kim and justine retire i can see an all russian top 5 and maybe even top 10 if some more come along

Jason_kidd05
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:41 PM
the russians are definitely still a force. i think it was john macenroe who said they have success because they literally are hungry for it cos they need the money to help feed their families. so they will keep on dominating. when kim and justine retire i can see an all russian top 5 and maybe even top 10 if some more come along

Maria is the hungriest even she is the best paied athelete in the world, maybe is just her ambition or way to be.:angel:

Wayn77
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Russians are a force due to their large numbers and athletic endurance and willingness to play a lot of tourneys and good baseline play. They are still mostly rather one-dimensional (petrova and kuzy are a bit more varied but kuzy has poor footwork and petrova is too streaky). To me, they just lack a complete game. Momo, Hingis, Kim, Juju and a fit Serena or Lindsay are still more complete players. But the Russians are doing well and are here for the long haul.

I would disagree about Kuzy's footwork. Have you seen her play on clay or play doubles - man that girl can move. The complete slam-winning game does not happen overnight, look at Momo for example. Some of the top Russians have only been top 10 2/3 years.

Jason_kidd05
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:46 PM
I would disagree about Kuzy's footwork. Have you seen her play on clay or play doubles - man that girl can move. The complete slam-winning game does not happen overnight, look at Momo for example. Some of the top Russians have only been top 10 2/3 years.

Maybe you right sort of but Masha i think will stay in top 10 more than 5 years by now if she stays healthy.:wavey:

goldenlox
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:49 PM
Sveta's only problem is indoors. She was injured this summer, then won Beijing and Bali, then the indoor season started.
Sharapova's problem is clay.
Nadia can play on all surfaces. If she stays healthy, her problem is winning big matches against other top players.
And she was doing that this spring when she got injured.

j-fan
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:57 PM
In the past four years, the dominant nations in the world of WTA are Belgium, the US, Russia, and France.

Just looking at the GSs, 2003 is dominated by the Belgians and the Americans.

2004 should have been the year of the Belgians but it turned out to be the year of the Russians due to injuries to Kim and Justine.

2005 was dominated by the Belgians and the Americans. 2006 may be viewed as dominated by France. IMHO, 2007 will be a very interesting contest between Belgium and Russia.

With Kim planning on retirement, the Belgians can only count on Justine after 2007 and the Americans can count on no one. So the future is indeed bright for the Russians. Unless, of course, one of the Russians, I won't mention who, defects to the US. For money and glory, that is certainly a possibility.

Jason_kidd05
Nov 15th, 2006, 09:31 PM
In the past four years, the dominant nations in the world of WTA are Belgium, the US, Russia, and France.

Just looking at the GSs, 2003 is dominated by the Belgians and the Americans.

2004 should have been the year of the Belgians but it turned out to be the year of the Russians due to injuries to Kim and Justine.

2005 was dominated by the Belgians and the Americans. 2006 may be viewed as dominated by France. IMHO, 2007 will be a very interesting contest between Belgium and Russia.

With Kim planning on retirement, the Belgians can only count on Justine after 2007 and the Americans can count on no one. So the future is indeed bright for the Russians. Unless, of course, one of the Russians, I won't mention who, defects to the US. For money and glory, that is certainly a possibility.

If were thinking about Maria Sharapova you are completely wrong because she already said that and i think she will not be convinced to change that in the next 10 years, maybe the only person who can convince her is Yuri, her father.