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Parsley
Nov 15th, 2006, 12:38 PM
...for Martina Hingis not to return to doubles full time.

How cool would it be if Martina and Justine, who are told to be hitting partners, formed a doubles team and played in the slams!

Natalicious
Nov 15th, 2006, 12:42 PM
sam & lisa would kick their asses :cool:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:07 PM
Honestly Martina hasn't looked that great with her netplay like in the past.
Justine on the other hand has looked great.

davidmario
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:34 PM
justine played horrible with kim on her side against kirilenko/safina in fedcup:yawn:

saki
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:40 PM
Justine is really not that great a doubles player. Hingis would be better off with someone like Petrova or Clijsters.

Ryan
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Hingis would do better with a better doubples player. I think Hingis/Kuznetsova or Hingis/Petrova would be great. Wannabe - she hasnt look great up at net in singles, but doubles IMO would be a completely different story.

Shonami Slam
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:44 PM
kuznetsova could complete a Martina Slam :)

TonyP
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:09 PM
I actually agree that she needs to work on her net game a little, but I think that it would only take her a couple of months of dedicated work to again be the best doubles player on the planet.

Don't forget, she won the AO mixed doubles title with Bhupati.

So, if and when doubles again becomes a priority with her, look out.

Shonami Slam
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:11 PM
I actually agree that she needs to work on her net game a little, but I think that it would only take her a couple of months of dedicated work to again be the best doubles player on the planet.

Don't forget, she won the AO mixed doubles title with Bhupati.

So, if and when doubles again becomes a priority with her, look out.

the question is how much would that affect her singles comeback/
is she capable of "sweeping" tournies again?

Slumpsova
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:13 PM
let alone Hingis, i think Raymond/Stosur can't even match the greatness of Clijsters/Sugiyama.

franny
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Um, Martina Hingis can play with ANYBODY and win. Shoot, she even won matches with Seles. But I say Anna trains for a little bit and then the two of them return to doubles.

Ryan
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:19 PM
Um, Martina Hingis can play with ANYBODY and win. Shoot, she even won matches with Seles. But I say Anna trains for a little bit and then the two of them return to doubles.


Hell, Hingis carried Lucic to a SLAM title.

Parsley
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:53 PM
Maybe Martina and Amelie :drool:

AJZ.
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Hingis/Sugi :) :p

Pasta-Na
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:25 PM
i like hingis's games... so smart :)

Paneru
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:33 PM
...for Martina Hingis not to return to doubles full time.

How cool would it be if Martina and Justine, who are told to be hitting partners, formed a doubles team and played in the slams!

Yeah, I suspect they have better things
to do with their time than worry about
a non-entity at this moment in their world.

treufreund
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Hingis's net game is awesome. You people are basing your judgments based on Hingis net play in SINGLES. Lisa Raymond and sam stosur are weaker at the net in singles than Hingis is. In doubles Hingis would be very tough. She can hit incredible touch angles or drop volleys way better than Stosur or Raymond can. Don't use someone's singles net play to judge their net play in doubles.

hingisGOAT
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:49 PM
The key to Hingis' success in doubles is not only her volleys, but her unbeatable return of serve. Hingis takes the ball earlier than anyone on tour and, despite not having great power, places the ball better than anyone on tour. This is especially apparent in doubles; almost every return of serve from hingis is taken early and lands right at the end of the service box. This means that the server, even after hitting a big bomb, ends up digging up her first volley from her feet.

MisterQ
Nov 15th, 2006, 09:04 PM
Hingis/Kuznetsova could be a killer doubles combo.

Drake1980
Nov 15th, 2006, 09:06 PM
OMG, I really hope Hingis will play Doubles next year!!

MisterQ
Nov 15th, 2006, 09:07 PM
Hingis's net game is awesome. You people are basing your judgments based on Hingis net play in SINGLES. Lisa Raymond and sam stosur are weaker at the net in singles than Hingis is. In doubles Hingis would be very tough. She can hit incredible touch angles or drop volleys way better than Stosur or Raymond can. Don't use someone's singles net play to judge their net play in doubles.

Her net skills are indeed excellent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixh0ekHxyw

TonyP
Nov 15th, 2006, 10:03 PM
Actually, another measure of Masrtina's doubles skills was shown in 2005 when she played world team tennis. She did not lose a doubles or mixed doubles set in either regular season or championship play, no matter who she was partnered with.

Martian Willow
Nov 15th, 2006, 10:07 PM
Hingis/Zvonareva. :)

pooh14
Nov 15th, 2006, 11:01 PM
as much as i love to see hingis in doubles, but i do not think she has the energy to play both singles and doubles at this age.
we must remember schedule everytime gets screwed up in slams.

remember RG, when hingis needed to play 5 days in a row.....maybe mixed double would not be as bad though...

Harju.
Nov 16th, 2006, 02:32 PM
Hingis/Golovin.
Spice Girls Part Deux :hearts:

Ryan
Nov 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM
I definately dont recommend Martina play doubles all the time. Playing doubles or mixed at AO is cool, because the scheduling is hardly ever messed up. I'd like to see her play here and there, but I don't think she has enough stamina to win singles and doubles tournies left and right ala 2000.

spencercarlos
Nov 16th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Her net skills are indeed excellent:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ixh0ekHxyw
Who is hitting with Martina on that video?
I see Patty there too :)

spencercarlos
Nov 16th, 2006, 05:19 PM
I definately dont recommend Martina play doubles all the time. Playing doubles or mixed at AO is cool, because the scheduling is hardly ever messed up. I'd like to see her play here and there, but I don't think she has enough stamina to win singles and doubles tournies left and right ala 2000.
But i think it could help her tremendously to play some doubles, she could maybe enter some events Doubles only and get some practise. Also the doubles play will make her gain a more agressive attitude as the doubles forces you to do that...

faboozadoo15
Nov 16th, 2006, 05:49 PM
Um, Martina Hingis can play with ANYBODY and win. Shoot, she even won matches with Seles. But I say Anna trains for a little bit and then the two of them return to doubles.

a lot of players could win matches with seles... she's got the best angles of anyone ever, the best returns, and a lefty serve.

watch the match with monica/martina against venus/serena. if it weren't for monica's controlled aggression to make up for the power deficit of hingis, there's no way venus and serena were going down that day.

THAT said, hingis is the best doubles player i've ever seen. but no need to discredit monica, who gives about two shits for doubles.

spencercarlos
Nov 16th, 2006, 06:02 PM
watch the match with monica/martina against venus/serena. if it weren't for monica's controlled aggression to make up for the power deficit of hingis, there's no way venus and serena were going down that day. .
That´s ridiculous. Monica is a great returner, but not a great doubles player.
Hingis was the one closing the plays at the net and as we know Monica gave her good contribution for the match, Hingis´s doubles play mainly carried the team to victory.
Lets not even talk about when Monica is forced to volley a couple of times :help:, or when she sometimes decides to hit her passing shots to the player at the net with really no explanation :lol:
Seles is an OK doubles player, but honestly not GS Champion doubles material by any means.
And this is from someone who loves Monica to dead :)

OZTENNIS
Nov 16th, 2006, 07:55 PM
hingis would still run rings around sammy in doubles. she aint got tactical awareness for nothing!

hingisGOAT
Nov 16th, 2006, 08:31 PM
a lot of players could win matches with seles... she's got the best angles of anyone ever, the best returns, and a lefty serve.

watch the match with monica/martina against venus/serena. if it weren't for monica's controlled aggression to make up for the power deficit of hingis, there's no way venus and serena were going down that day.

are you a crack head? if monica's fat ass wasn't there to miff every volley hingis might have won that match 6-0 6-0 by her self. the match is available for download in many threads on this forum; i suggest you watch it, something you've clearly never done :wavey:

even the commentators were ripping seles' whoreanus play into shreds. the talent difference between hingis and seles, in this particular doubles match, was astronomical

Hawn
Nov 16th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Yeah I got the sense that Seles was a little embarrassed by her net play at times.

And I've seen Hingis hit many outstanding singles volleys so she's very capable with volleys in singles. I think she gets passed more when she's coming in to change game plans when her opponent is 'on'.

LoveFifteen
Nov 16th, 2006, 10:17 PM
Seles' net play = barf-nasty mold-covered turd

Hingis' net play = creme brulee

Tripp
Nov 16th, 2006, 11:11 PM
watch the match with monica/martina against venus/serena. if it weren't for monica's controlled aggression to make up for the power deficit of hingis, there's no way venus and serena were going down that day.

I don't think "power defficit" is a term you'd use when referring to a doubles match, unless of course that match includes Nancy Loeffler-Caro. Power isn't needed in doubles, it's mainly about tactics. Just check the names up there in the doubles rankings: they're all players with regular groundstrokes.

And BTW, it'd be spectacular to have Hingis back in the doubles draws, but I don't think that's gonna happen. The sole reason of her comeback was to prove herself she wasn't done. And full schedules at the tournaments she plays in would end up messing her up like it did back in her days. I'm not saying playing doubles was the cause of all the injuries, but it definitely helped.

And she herself has said she didn't really care that much about doubles anyway.

Ryan
Nov 16th, 2006, 11:16 PM
But i think it could help her tremendously to play some doubles, she could maybe enter some events Doubles only and get some practise. Also the doubles play will make her gain a more agressive attitude as the doubles forces you to do that...


I completely agree, I was just responding to the question about whether she could play both all year long and still be good at both (I think I was anyway, haha). Entering dubs events and not singles is a great idea I think in some cases, provided she doesn't travel far to do it. Doubles will help fine-tune her net play and get her butt moving forward more often. I also think doubles helps your serve. Martina relies on placement and not power, which is what works in doubles too, so she gets free serve practice. I think if she played anywhere from 5-10 dubs/mixed dubs events all year I'd be really surprised and pleased.