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Wannabeknowitall
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:02 PM
BALTIMORE - The nation's Roman Catholic bishops overwhelmingly approved new guidelines Tuesday on outreach to gays, trying to support gay parishioners while strictly affirming the church stance that same-sex relationships are "disordered."

Gay Catholic activists immediately judged the document a failure that will push gay and lesbians away from the church.

The statement, "Ministry to Persons with a Homosexual Inclination," upholds the Catholic prohibition against same-gender marriage and adoption by gay or lesbian couples.

Yet bishops insisted that they're trying to be more "welcoming than condemning."

The document says it's not a sin to be attracted to someone of the same gender — only to act on those feelings. The bishops also state that children of gay Catholics can undergo baptism and receive other sacraments in most cases if they are being raised in the faith.

Still, under the guidelines, parishes must instruct gays to remain celibate. The bishops are also discouraging gays from making "general public self-disclosures" within their churches about their sexual orientation.

"It is not sufficient for those involved in this ministry to adopt a position of distant neutrality with regard to Church teaching," the bishops stated. Gay outreach must include teaching that is "welcoming yet challenging, loving but firm in the truth," they said.

The 194-37 vote, with one abstention, came at a meeting of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Sam Sinnett, president of DignityUSA, an advocacy group for gay Catholics, said the new guidelines reflect the bishops' ignorance about sexuality. He said the document would alienate gays.

"This document recommends the most unhealthy thing to do which is to stay emotionally and spiritually in the closet," Sinnett said.

Some bishops anticipated such criticism.

"For the person with the inclination, they find that very very difficult to accept, personally," said Bishop Kevin Boland of Savannah, Ga., during the floor debate Monday. "They feel that the church is saying to them that as a person they are disordered. I recognize that it is crucially important to say this, but to apply it pastorally it can be difficult."

On another matter Tuesday, bishops overwhelmingly adopted a statement encouraging Catholics to obey the church's ban on artificial contraception.

Church leaders at the gathering are also discussing how Catholics can make themselves worthy to receive Holy Communion. Several bishops said Monday that Catholics who persist in ignoring church teaching, including gays who are sexually active, should not take the sacrament.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:10 PM
I think many gay Catholics already know what the churches' stance on homosexuality is.

At the same time there is some room now for there to be outright gay priest in the Catholic Church.
In many cases in the past if a seminary had any doubt of a person's sexuality being straight, they would kick him out of the seminary.

At least it seems the Catholic Church is finally making a distinction between homosexuality and pedophilia.

Other than that this outreach seems like a gay cleansing.

lakeway11
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:40 AM
Catholic bishops' 'gay' guidelines 'gravely flawed'
Experts criticize new 'Ministry to Persons with Homosexual Inclinations'

By Mary Jo Anderson
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


"Gravely flawed" – that's the dire warning of medical experts who have seen copies of the proposed guidelines for "Ministry to Persons with Homosexual Inclinations," to be released by the Catholic Bishops of the United States at their annual conference in Baltimore next week.

Catholic psychiatrists and physicians have quietly sent selected bishops detailed memos outlining their objections to the document in advance of the November 13-16 meeting. Among the chief objections to the document, the critique notes, is that a truly charitable ministry includes "the truths that medical/psychological science has discovered about homosexuality … In particular, the health risks inherent in the lifestyle and the real grounds for hope of recovery and healing are never mentioned in the [proposed] document."

The memo summarizes key points from medical and psychological literature on homosexuality that these experts had hoped the bishops would acknowledge, including:


no genetic basis [for same-sex attraction] was found in last year's [human]genome study

fluidity of sexual attractions, with people spontaneously moving out of the lifestyle

rampant promiscuity

Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., a contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope," was explicit: "Persons with SSA (Same-Sex Attraction) suffer real physical and emotional physical illness in this lifestyle. There is no mention [in the document] of the deleterious effects of homosexual behavior on the person; the abuse, the diseases and the psychological pain that accompanies that lifestyle."

The document describes its intent to "assist bishops in evaluating existing or proposed programs and ministerial efforts" for those with same-sex attraction disorder. Yet, critics note a serious lack of information about the disorder, and in its place a sentimental invitation to live chastely and join parish activities.

Critics who have reviewed the text say this new document reveals that the bishops have little understanding of the disorder. As Dr. Edward Sheridan told WND, "There is a drivenness to much homosexual behavior, not simply a lust dynamism. A compulsive drive to be happy – somehow – to be "gay"; a yearning, a longing to get out of abject loneliness. ... And this is the characteristic compulsive promiscuity you see. Even 25 years ago we had reliable studies that showed by age 33 the average homosexual man had had 1,031 separate persons with whom they had engaged in sexual activity."

The text does include a call to virtue, including chastity for all who are unmarried, and reiterates the Church's official teaching that although a homosexual attraction is not immoral, any homosexual act is immoral and objectively disordered. But the document casts those with same-sex attraction as victims of the culture, of "scorn, hated and even violence in some sectors of our society."

As one Catholic high school volunteer responded to that charge: "That's a fabrication. The greater danger from violence to any gay person is from his or her partner." FBI statistics bear out the charge. Violent crimes against gays by heterosexuals are just .0001 percent of cases. As for homosexual abuse of other homosexuals, Fitzgibbons cites a recent study in the American Journal of Public Health that reports, "39 percent of males with same-sex attraction have been abused by other males with same-sex attraction."

Lay people "will resent this document because it attempts to blame so-called 'hate-crimes' as the source of the homosexual person's unhappiness and anger," said one researcher. "This document suggests that our lack of 'welcoming' toward a homosexual parishioner or – God forbid – a priest, is somehow more grievous than the sorrow and hurt that homosexuals have caused hundreds of us. If the bishops could bring themselves to be honest, they would define a homosexual assault on a pubertal boy as a true 'hate crime.'"

Another said, "Let’s be real here. We are not the problem. Most people do not reject homosexual persons or mistreat them."

Sheridan admits that negative language is one of the flaws of the document. He said the document ought to "use only positive language that exhibits a capacity for caring for all human beings All means everyone, i.e., no soul left behind from God's love. There is a pastoral responsibility for caring for all involved." Others point out that no legitimate ministry to those with homosexual inclinations can avoid the necessity for homosexual persons to make amends to those they have harmed.

"When you go to confession and admit that you have gossiped, the priest instructs you to go make amends to the person you were gossiping about," said a parent who requested anonymity. "Gays are no less in need of making amends for their sins than anyone else. We cannot create a special category for certain sins in the name of 'ministry.'"

Because the document fails to address real medical and psychosocial aspects of same-sex attraction and the homosexual lifestyle, some have questioned the document's real purpose. Observers have expressed serious concern that while this new document is cloaked in snippets of official Church teaching, it is functionally a rebuke aimed at those within the Church who supposedly harbor "disguised forms of hatred" toward persons of homosexual inclinations.

Dominic Bettinelli Jr., former editor of Catholic World Report, said of the proposed document: "Unfortunately, what I see here is an attempt to 'get out in front' of this issue by partisans hoping to push the pro-gay point of view in the "Always Our Children" mold."

"Always Our Children" was a 1998 letter from the U.S. bishops on care for homosexual persons. Some bishops who protested its contents and the method of its release rejected it. It was written by a committee within the bishop's conference and not seen or voted on by the entire conference of bishops. Furthermore, "consulters" to that internal committee were self-professed homosexuals. Eventually the Vatican forced a revision of "Always Our Children." Observers wonder if a similar process will be required to address the flaws in this new document. One reason for that revision might be that despite the proposed guidelines' statement that "the Church has a right to deny roles of service to those whose behavior violates her teaching," it then offers an undefined "active role" to some.

"People with homosexual tendencies should not in general get prominent roles and functions in the Church, and certainly not in case they are known in the community as homosexuals," advised Gerard J. M. van den Aardweg, a Dutch psychologist. "The same applies to pedophiles or other persons with sexual aberrations, just as to persons suffering from other forms of psychopathology. Functions and roles in the Church should be exercised by normal, balanced persons, and many homosexuals cannot be regarded as such," wrote van den Aardweg.

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bionic71
Nov 15th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Catholic bishops' 'gay' guidelines 'gravely flawed'
Experts criticize new 'Ministry to Persons with Homosexual Inclinations'

By Mary Jo Anderson
© 2006 WorldNetDaily.com


"Gravely flawed" – that's the dire warning of medical experts who have seen copies of the proposed guidelines for "Ministry to Persons with Homosexual Inclinations," to be released by the Catholic Bishops of the United States at their annual conference in Baltimore next week.

Catholic psychiatrists and physicians have quietly sent selected bishops detailed memos outlining their objections to the document in advance of the November 13-16 meeting. Among the chief objections to the document, the critique notes, is that a truly charitable ministry includes "the truths that medical/psychological science has discovered about homosexuality … In particular, the health risks inherent in the lifestyle and the real grounds for hope of recovery and healing are never mentioned in the [proposed] document."

The memo summarizes key points from medical and psychological literature on homosexuality that these experts had hoped the bishops would acknowledge, including:


no genetic basis [for same-sex attraction] was found in last year's [human]genome study

fluidity of sexual attractions, with people spontaneously moving out of the lifestyle

rampant promiscuity

Richard Fitzgibbons, M.D., a contributor to the Catholic Medical Association's statement on "Homosexuality and Hope," was explicit: "Persons with SSA (Same-Sex Attraction) suffer real physical and emotional physical illness in this lifestyle. There is no mention [in the document] of the deleterious effects of homosexual behavior on the person; the abuse, the diseases and the psychological pain that accompanies that lifestyle."

The document describes its intent to "assist bishops in evaluating existing or proposed programs and ministerial efforts" for those with same-sex attraction disorder. Yet, critics note a serious lack of information about the disorder, and in its place a sentimental invitation to live chastely and join parish activities.

Critics who have reviewed the text say this new document reveals that the bishops have little understanding of the disorder. As Dr. Edward Sheridan told WND, "There is a drivenness to much homosexual behavior, not simply a lust dynamism. A compulsive drive to be happy – somehow – to be "gay"; a yearning, a longing to get out of abject loneliness. ... And this is the characteristic compulsive promiscuity you see. Even 25 years ago we had reliable studies that showed by age 33 the average homosexual man had had 1,031 separate persons with whom they had engaged in sexual activity."

The text does include a call to virtue, including chastity for all who are unmarried, and reiterates the Church's official teaching that although a homosexual attraction is not immoral, any homosexual act is immoral and objectively disordered. But the document casts those with same-sex attraction as victims of the culture, of "scorn, hated and even violence in some sectors of our society."

As one Catholic high school volunteer responded to that charge: "That's a fabrication. The greater danger from violence to any gay person is from his or her partner." FBI statistics bear out the charge. Violent crimes against gays by heterosexuals are just .0001 percent of cases. As for homosexual abuse of other homosexuals, Fitzgibbons cites a recent study in the American Journal of Public Health that reports, "39 percent of males with same-sex attraction have been abused by other males with same-sex attraction."

Lay people "will resent this document because it attempts to blame so-called 'hate-crimes' as the source of the homosexual person's unhappiness and anger," said one researcher. "This document suggests that our lack of 'welcoming' toward a homosexual parishioner or – God forbid – a priest, is somehow more grievous than the sorrow and hurt that homosexuals have caused hundreds of us. If the bishops could bring themselves to be honest, they would define a homosexual assault on a pubertal boy as a true 'hate crime.'"

Another said, "Let’s be real here. We are not the problem. Most people do not reject homosexual persons or mistreat them."

Sheridan admits that negative language is one of the flaws of the document. He said the document ought to "use only positive language that exhibits a capacity for caring for all human beings All means everyone, i.e., no soul left behind from God's love. There is a pastoral responsibility for caring for all involved." Others point out that no legitimate ministry to those with homosexual inclinations can avoid the necessity for homosexual persons to make amends to those they have harmed.

"When you go to confession and admit that you have gossiped, the priest instructs you to go make amends to the person you were gossiping about," said a parent who requested anonymity. "Gays are no less in need of making amends for their sins than anyone else. We cannot create a special category for certain sins in the name of 'ministry.'"

Because the document fails to address real medical and psychosocial aspects of same-sex attraction and the homosexual lifestyle, some have questioned the document's real purpose. Observers have expressed serious concern that while this new document is cloaked in snippets of official Church teaching, it is functionally a rebuke aimed at those within the Church who supposedly harbor "disguised forms of hatred" toward persons of homosexual inclinations.

Dominic Bettinelli Jr., former editor of Catholic World Report, said of the proposed document: "Unfortunately, what I see here is an attempt to 'get out in front' of this issue by partisans hoping to push the pro-gay point of view in the "Always Our Children" mold."

"Always Our Children" was a 1998 letter from the U.S. bishops on care for homosexual persons. Some bishops who protested its contents and the method of its release rejected it. It was written by a committee within the bishop's conference and not seen or voted on by the entire conference of bishops. Furthermore, "consulters" to that internal committee were self-professed homosexuals. Eventually the Vatican forced a revision of "Always Our Children." Observers wonder if a similar process will be required to address the flaws in this new document. One reason for that revision might be that despite the proposed guidelines' statement that "the Church has a right to deny roles of service to those whose behavior violates her teaching," it then offers an undefined "active role" to some.

"People with homosexual tendencies should not in general get prominent roles and functions in the Church, and certainly not in case they are known in the community as homosexuals," advised Gerard J. M. van den Aardweg, a Dutch psychologist. "The same applies to pedophiles or other persons with sexual aberrations, just as to persons suffering from other forms of psychopathology. Functions and roles in the Church should be exercised by normal, balanced persons, and many homosexuals cannot be regarded as such," wrote van den Aardweg.

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All the usual terminolgy...."psychopathology", "aberrations", "rampant promiscuity"...where does one even start with such a nonsensical document...you can see why such a document would be "quietly" sent as it states....

Continued claims of gay people being "disorded" and somehow faulty are beyond comprehension (and incredibly tired) when you consider the origins of the claims...such outdated and incorrect notions about gay people (and human sexuality in general) result in disorded and faulty documents filled will inaccuracies and bile filled malice.

If it wasn't so horrid and misguided in sentiment such documents would merely be laughable

My personal favourite, and much overused example, of enlightened terminolgy is "homosexual lifestyle"...what is that?....venturing out to IKEA on a Saturday morning to rampantly buy outdoor furniture?? I stand guilty as charged.