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pierce0415
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:55 PM
this is a slap in the face for Marion :sad:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:01 PM
It's a slap of reality for Bartoli.
Hantuchova and Myskina have been in the top 20 for years and at one time were top 5 players.
Bartoli has been in the top 20 for weeks and the only reason she's even there is because of the points she hasn't had to defend at Auckland for 10 months.

How about showing Auckland you can actually be in the top 20 without our tournament before requesting things you really don't deserve.
IMO, Bartoli needs Auckland more than Auckland needs her.

Nicolás89
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:02 PM
myskina or hantu > bartoli:wavey:

LH2HBH
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:18 PM
sorry pierce0415 but you should know that Myskina and Hantuchova are marquee players on some level and Marion Bartoli just isn't.

IMPOSSIBLE
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:20 PM
Myskina And Hantuchova Are Big Names !

Bartoli Isnt Yet !

Viktymise
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Myskina = Former Slam Champ, Former number 2
Hantuchova = Former top 5, 3 times in a slam quater
Bartoli = Top 20, tier 3 champ, never been inside top 15

hopefully that answers your question ;)

pav
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:28 PM
They might well have offered Marion some sort of deal and she could want more.

If they pay by the kilo
well that makes sense
cause the other's butts are skinny
but Marion's is immense :hearts:

MisterMan
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:35 PM
It's simple.

They're prettier.

controlfreak
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:38 PM
They probably haven't finished reading the extra pages stapled to Marion's entry form under the "extra dietary requirements" section ;)

Boss monkey
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:47 PM
they probably think that she is the defending champ and she would want to defend the title and points, and god know she she need this tournament more then it needs her, with the type of tennis she brings to the bigger events. so the would us the money to get better players insted of wasting it on Bartoli, who still has to prove herself.

Craigy
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:52 PM
She gets cake instead :D

CoryAnnAvants#1
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:00 PM
Apart from true hardcore tennis fans, nobody knows who the hell Marion Bartoli is. Nobody's going to pay money specifically to see her. They're going to come simply because it's the only tennis tournament in New Zealand save for a couple of 10K's. Amy Frazier competed in a nearly full stadium for her early round night match when she was the #1 seed here two years ago. Amy fuckin' Frazier...

People on the other hand would pay money specifically to see Hantuchova or Myskina. They're both former top five players and have won Grand Slams before (albeit Daniela's were in mixed, but still.)

Marion needs to start producing big results outside of the Tier III's and IV's in order to warrant appearance fees. An appearance fee implies that their appearance will generate profit. That wouldn't happen with Marion, defending champion or not.

Uranus
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:07 PM
Because they're better than her, have been #2 for Myskina (+1 Slam) and #5 for Hantuchova. And they were once considered the most talented newcomers, so they got a lot of hype.
I thought the answer was obvious...

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:08 PM
you really have to ask :tape:

LH2HBH
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:19 PM
They can't afford the cake.

Nicolas
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I'd pay to have Marion :tape: :angel:

die_wahrheit
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Myskina earns that money..

Hantuchova or Bartoli?

I would prefer to have Bartoli at the tournament, she is not a 1-title-wonder, but tournament directors know they save money in the catering with Hantuchova.
And Bartoli wants to have an extra portion of sausages with pasta and that maybe the problem.

Dementieva_Dude
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Myskina and Hantuchova are way more talented than Bartoli. I hope Marion and her dad learn from this little slap of reality! She'll drop points when they adjust the WTA rankings anyways, it's only a matter of time.

Brashkoala
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:20 PM
because myskina and hantuchova are hot, popular with fans, and have won big tournaments. also because marion is not hot, not popular with fans, and has not won big tournaments

Princeza
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:21 PM
:lol: :lol: It's simple.

They're prettier.

MisterMan
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:41 PM
I really doubt Hantu would beat Bartoli these days.

Let's hope for an early matchup between those two !

papru
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:53 PM
they should have given her a box of chocolates :lol: should she be pleased :lol:

Ben.
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Really Pierce 0415, why ask a question like that exactly. Once again u amaze me. NOT!

Myskina & Hantuchova get that apperance money is because they have had more success on the tennis court than Bartoli & that they bring in glamour & hotness amongst themselves. Personally i'd rather see them than playin rather than only Bartoli playin 2 be honest.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:04 PM
it could be nothing..............
the fact that the Rainbow Warrior was bombed in Auckland
and Marion's horrible attempt to play in a rainbow shirt :lol:

http://www.opengazdefrance.com/mediastore/sporever/photos_sporever/tennis/Femmes/BARTOLI_OPEN_GAZ_100205.jpg

manu32
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:05 PM
it's an evidence ....nothing to add....

Kim's_fan_4ever
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:10 PM
It's obvious that Nastya and Daniela are better players and they will attract more crowds than Bartoli :shrug:

Ben.
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:14 PM
It's obvious that Nastya and Daniela are better players and they will attract more crowds than Bartoli :shrug:

obviously. but that's something that piercey wouldn't understand though :rolleyes:

thomas.chung
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Here is a little number for justification
Marion Bartoli:
Winner (3): 2006 - Auckland, Tokyo [Japan Open], Québec City; 2005 - ITF/Dubai 2-UAE; 2002 - ITF/Columbus-USA, ITF/Poiters-FRA; 2001 - ITF/Hatfield-GBR, ITF/Torino-ITA, ITF/Koksijde-BEL.
Finalist (1): 2006 - Bali.
Semifinalist (7): 2006 - Seoul; 2005 - Auckland, Québec City; 2004 - Auckland, Hyderabad, Cincinnati; 2003 - Canberra.
Quarterfinalist (11): 2006 - Birmingham, Cincinnati, New Haven; 2005 - Canberra, Paris [Indoors], Doha, Eastbourne, Seoul; 2004 - Forest Hills; 2003 - Strasbourg, Birmingham.

Grand Slam Performance:
SINGLES
AO2006 - 2r/2r
FO2006 - 2r/1r
W2006/2005 - 2r/2r
USO2006/2005 - 3r/3r

Not much improvement at all if you compare her to the likes of Ivanovic, Peer and Jankovic who made it to the USO SF.

Now here is Hantucova
SINGLES
Winner (1): 2002 - Indian Wells; 2000 - ITF/Bronx-USA; 1999 - ITF/Jackson-USA, ITF/Fano-ITA.
Finalist (4): 2006 - Zürich; 2005 - Los Angeles; 2004 - Eastbourne; 2002 - Filderstadt.
Semifinalist (11): 2006 - Auckland; 2005 - Doha, Cincinnati, Filderstadt; 2003 - Antwerp; 2002 - Easbourne, Montréal [Canadian Open], New Haven, Linz; 2001 - Oklahoma City, Birmingham.

Grand Slam
MIXED DOUBLES
Winner (4): 2005 - Roland Garros (w/Santoro), US Open (w/Bhupathi); 2002 - Australian Open (w/Ullyett); 2001 - Wimbledon (w/Friedl).

SINGLES
AO2006 - R16
FO2006 - R16
W2006 - R16
USO 2006 - R16

Note: been as high as #5 in the the world.

Myskina
FO2004 winner, been as high as #2 in the world. Need I say more?

If Bartoli thinks she can demand appearance fee with that kind of result, she must be in Dream Land. Maybe if Myskina and Daniela don't sign up Marion might get a chance. But I don't think so either way because her result is just not there yet. Maybe she's better off playing tennis for prize money or switch to being a cook show host if she is really keen on that appearance money thing.

CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:36 PM
Myskina = Former Slam Champ, Former number 2
Hantuchova = Former top 5, 3 times in a slam quater
Bartoli = Top 20, tier 3 champ, never been inside top 15

hopefully that answers your question ;)

You forgot three titles during the 2006 season. ;)

Martian Willow
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:40 PM
How do we know they're not paying Marion?

iPatty
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:25 PM
maybe because marion whined about getting paid and daniela/nastya didn't.

Martian Willow
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:46 PM
maybe because marion whined about getting paid and daniela/nastya didn't.

I don't remember that she did. I remember the tournament director whining about paying her, which would be an odd thing to do if he wasn't going to. Therefore, I suggest the basic premise of this thread is flawed, and the people who have responded to it are very, very silly. :)

Unless you have a link to prove me wrong, of course.

jazar
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:50 PM
yes, everyone goes to a tournament to watch marion bartoli play and to get a slight glimpse of her greatness

Europe rocks
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Myskina and Hantuchova: people know who these two are and will attract an audience.

Bartoli: not many people know her, but maybe they should pay her because Poutchkova thinks she will win a slam :p

SzavayFi
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:50 PM
I really doubt Hantu would beat Bartoli these days.

Let's hope for an early matchup between those two !

These days. :o

The last tournament she played in she got to the finals of a tier one losing to Sharapova in three sets :smash:

IceHock
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:36 PM
I really doubt Hantu would beat Bartoli these days.

Let's hope for an early matchup between those two !


Lol, don't make me laugh, Marion is good but Daniela killed her when she was wicked skinny 6-3,6-2. Plus she is playing better.

rockstar
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Myskina earns that money..

Hantuchova or Bartoli?

I would prefer to have Bartoli at the tournament, she is not a 1-title-wonder, but tournament directors know they save money in the catering with Hantuchova.
And Bartoli wants to have an extra portion of sausages with pasta and that maybe the problem.


i don't agree with the top part but :haha: :haha: :haha:

UDACHi
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:50 PM
Lol, don't make me laugh, Marion is good but Daniela killed her when she was wicked skinny 6-3,6-2. Plus she is playing better.

about 3 years ago. :weirdo:

marion's improved since then, too.

plsu, she's ranked higher than danka.

frenchie
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:56 PM
Bartoli is nice but she's fat and boring...
Daniela and Nastya are stylish and attractive!

that's the main difference

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:59 PM
plsu, she's ranked higher than danka.

Yes, because she has played like 48 tournaments this year. And she still has to defend some points for winning ITF Dubai last December.

saki
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:00 PM
http://www.myskina.com/gallery04/395.jpg

http://blogs.ozu.es/media/hantuchova_02.jpg

IceHock
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:01 PM
about 3 years ago. :weirdo:

marion's improved since then, too.

plsu, she's ranked higher than danka.


She's ahead by 2 points and only because Daniela withdrew from Linz. Daniela would beat Marion because she hits harder, better serve, better game.

Ellery
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:24 PM
Marion :hug:

MisterMan
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:32 PM
I still think Marion would beat her at this tournament.

And I disagree that Daniela Hantuchova is a "fan favorite" who will "attract tournament goers".
I bet 8 out of 10 ticket buyers don't know who she is.
Just because she's near icon-status on this forum doesn't mean anyone else knows her...

Farina Elia Fan
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:42 PM
surelly the Auckland crowd would know there defending champion Bartoli more than Hantuchova????

Farina Elia Fan
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:43 PM
I still think Marion would beat her at this tournament.

And I disagree that Daniela Hantuchova is a "fan favorite" who will "attract tournament goers".
I bet 8 out of 10 ticket buyers don't know who she is.
Just because she's near icon-status on this forum doesn't mean anyone else knows her...

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

IceHock
Nov 15th, 2006, 12:01 AM
I still think Marion would beat her at this tournament.

And I disagree that Daniela Hantuchova is a "fan favorite" who will "attract tournament goers".
I bet 8 out of 10 ticket buyers don't know who she is.
Just because she's near icon-status on this forum doesn't mean anyone else knows her...

Dude, Daniela has fans at every tournament she is in. There's always people cheering for her. Just because you hate her doesn't mean everybody else does.

AyumiMorita
Nov 15th, 2006, 12:04 AM
i don't even think she deserves to be in the top 20

never been past the third round at a slam,
never done well at a high tier tournie often enough

something seems wrong about the ranking system ...
hahaha

she has talent ... no doubt ... but def not marquee

UDACHi
Nov 15th, 2006, 12:25 AM
I still think Marion would beat her at this tournament.

And I disagree that Daniela Hantuchova is a "fan favorite" who will "attract tournament goers".
I bet 8 out of 10 ticket buyers don't know who she is.
Just because she's near icon-status on this forum doesn't mean anyone else knows her...

great point! unfortuantely, danka fans tend to be extremely closed minded and will not hear anything that involves their favorite not being in a position of superstardom.

Lunaris
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:24 AM
I still think Marion would beat her at this tournament.

And I disagree that Daniela Hantuchova is a "fan favorite" who will "attract tournament goers".
I bet 8 out of 10 ticket buyers don't know who she is.
Just because she's near icon-status on this forum doesn't mean anyone else knows her...
And that you bet doesn't mean it's true. :p
The question is, do you truly believe that Bartoli can attract more people than Hantuchova?
btw. I think Marion has more chance to beat Myskina than Daniela these days.

MisterMan
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:42 AM
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Dude, Daniela has fans at every tournament she is in. There's always people cheering for her. Just because you hate her doesn't mean everybody else does.

First off, i kind of route for her to win. i don't hate her.
I'm just realistic. She's mediocre. Average. Doesn't win against the big girls, and can easily lose to top 100 girls. Average, but i like her.

i'm just being realistic. She's not a crowd draw. And how do you know she has fans at tourny's just because they clap when she makes a winner ?
They do that for Camille Pin , too.

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:02 AM
Its cause she dont bring in anything to the tournamnet

rockstar
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:43 AM
First off, i kind of route for her to win. i don't hate her.
I'm just realistic. She's mediocre. Average. Doesn't win against the big girls, and can easily lose to top 100 girls. Average, but i like her.

i'm just being realistic. She's not a crowd draw. And how do you know she has fans at tourny's just because they clap when she makes a winner ?
They do that for Camille Pin , too.

oh please, i have friends who know her but not dementieva!

DavyJone96431
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:18 AM
surelly the Auckland crowd would know there defending champion Bartoli more than Hantuchova????

um need I remind you that Anna Kournikova was more recognizable to the crowd than the defending champion of every tournament she went to

it's amazing how sex sells and Hantuchova ain't no ugly piece of cake

Foot's Fingers
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:46 AM
well, just compare theirs results and achivmenets in the past

Fashion victim Marion ............ and Myskina and Hantu

stupied thread

Geertvg
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:59 AM
Because.. Hm.. How to say this politely.. Bartoli is ehm... Hmm.... Boring? ;)

Farina Elia Fan
Nov 15th, 2006, 10:43 AM
um need I remind you that Anna Kournikova was more recognizable to the crowd than the defending champion of every tournament she went to

it's amazing how sex sells and Hantuchova ain't no ugly piece of cake



Kournikova was/is streets ahead of Hantuchova in the sex stakes. Everyone in the world knows Kournikova, where as only tennis fans know Hantuchova

Geertvg
Nov 15th, 2006, 10:50 AM
Yes, and non tennis fans would have gone see Kournikova play tennis? Hantuchova is a great name to have on your tournament, her pretty face certainly helps:)

.Andrew.
Nov 15th, 2006, 10:59 AM
Hantuchova and Myskina are marquee players having both been the Top 5 and one winning a Slam and both were very talented newcomers. Bartoli has a won a couple of Tier III's and hasn't been in the Top 16 yet...

Uranus
Nov 15th, 2006, 05:34 PM
I really doubt Hantu would beat Bartoli these days.

Let's hope for an early matchup between those two !

I think she would :confused:

Pasta-Na
Nov 15th, 2006, 06:28 PM
bartoli... just focus on ur games and get some huge wins... people will be willing to pay you the appearance fee :o

pav
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:21 PM
All I can say is the pudding played better than the peastick over here last year,and I wouldn't call the pudding style boring she is very different to watch, but the media over here are already whacking themselves over Hant. and Nastya not a word of Marion in that manner, so as the old saying goes "Sex sells" even if I would venture an opinion that marion has an earthy sexiness in a slightly Rubinesq(spelling) way and has more curves than the other two added together and would provide 70% more export grade rump steak . They are all beautiful in their own way:hearts:

vutt
Nov 15th, 2006, 08:57 PM
http://blogs.ozu.es/media/hantuchova_02.jpg

Well pierce23445 I think you have your answer:
Just open you legs like that and money will flow... :devil: