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Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:48 PM
http://www.forbes.com/entrepreneurs/feeds/ap/2006/11/13/ap3170152.html

AP: Giuliani Takes Step Toward '08 Bid

Former New York City mayor Rudy Giuliani, a moderate Republican best known for his stewardship of the city after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, has taken the first step in a 2008 presidential bid, GOP officials said Monday.

The former mayor filed papers to create the Rudy Giuliani Presidential Exploratory Committee, Inc., establishing a panel that would allow him to raise money for a White House run and travel the country.

The four-page filing, obtained by The Associated Press, lists the purpose of the non-profit corporation "to conduct federal 'testing the waters' activity under the Federal Election Campaign Act for Rudy Giuliani."

The paperwork is signed by Bobby Burchfield, a partner at the DC-based law firm of McDermott Will & Emery, a firm that handles political work.

Giuliani spokeswoman Sunny Mindel declined to comment.

Giuliani was widely praised for leading the city during and after the terror attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. He has said for months that he would wait until the end of the 2006 elections to decide whether to embark on a White House bid.

The former mayor is a moderate who supports gun control and abortion rights, stands that would put him at odds with the majority of GOP conservative base.

Still, the Giuliani brand remains strong; he headlined fundraisers for Republican candidates nationwide and his travel has done little to deny 2008 ambitions. During a visit earlier this month to Columbia, S.C., Giuliani dodged the question: "There's a chance, but that's after this election is over."

He then left South Carolina for New Hampshire, site of the nation's first primary and another GOP fundraiser.

Giuliani enjoys strong name recognition and roughly the same level of support as Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Arizona Sen. John McCain. Rice has insisted that she will not run; McCain is likely to file his papers creating an exploratory committee shortly.

Giuliani, who was in his final days as New York City mayor when a pair of planes crashed into the World Trade Center's towers, became a national hero. Within hours of the attack, the mayor was visiting the site, caked in dust and walking through the chaos - a moment replayed repeatedly on television.

Assuming the role of "America's Mayor" and Time Magazine's Person of the Year for 2001, Giuliani remained an in-demand speaker and GOP fundraiser. He was the first Republican to lead New York in decades, had cut crime and redeveloped rundown parts of the city.

He was a former U.S. attorney, leading campaigns against organized crime and corruption. He spent two years as the Justice Department's No. 3 post, overseeing all U.S. attorneys, the Drug Enforcement Agency and the U.S. Marshals Service. The Brooklyn native was first elected New York's mayor in 1993, pledging to improve the city.

Giuliani eyed a run for the U.S. Senate in 2000, but ended that run while battling prostate cancer and a made-for-tabloids divorce from television star Donna Hanover. The messy divorce and his relationship with Judith Nathan also made his campaign against Hillary Rodham Clinton all the more difficult.

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*JR*
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:13 PM
I never quite got the "Rudy as hero of 9/11" thing. :confused: (He was calm and comforting, but didn't do anything that I'd call an act of heroism). And as Al Sharpton said about a month later, "the people of New York City would have come together if Bozo the Clown was Mayor". (Sarcastic, but basically true).

Scotso
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Rudy was just in the right(?) place at the right time. The only reason he's famous is because he was the mayor of NYC during a terrorist attack... not because he did anything special.

If that guy becomes President, I'm leaving. He has done nothing to warrant such a high office.

Vlover
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:58 AM
Don't worry because he's not getting the nomination. The GOP used him to push their 9/11 fear agenda but apart from that Rudy is too liberal. He is pro choice, pro gay (even roommate of gay guys) plus openly courted his mistress while still with his previous wife. I don't see how he would win the votes of the self proclaimed "values" voters in the Republicans party.

moon
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Don't worry because he's not getting the nomination. The GOP used him to push their 9/11 fear agenda but apart from that Rudy is too liberal. He is pro choice, pro gay (even roommate of gay guys) plus openly courted his mistress while still with his previous wife. I don't see how he would win the votes of the self proclaimed "values" voters in the Republicans party.


all that, plus there is now lots of documentation about how mismanaged the city was during 9/11. That's in addition to all the people dropping like flies around here who volunteered to clean up all the mess at ground zero.

RVD
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:27 AM
Don't worry because he's not getting the nomination. The GOP used him to push their 9/11 fear agenda but apart from that Rudy is too liberal. He is pro choice, pro gay (even roommate of gay guys) plus openly courted his mistress while still with his previous wife. I don't see how he would win the votes of the self proclaimed "values" voters in the Republicans party.Darn! You beat me to the punch! :mad: :lol: :yeah:

However, I believe that he should run…if for no other reason than to remind the voters what being conservative in a time catastrophic turmoil means.
Also, I agree that he was little more than one of several "tools" utilized in promoting a ‘pre-planned’ preemptive strike against Iraq […via Afghanistan]. :wavey:

kiwifan
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:58 AM
:yippee: RUDY :yippee:

RVD
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:32 AM
:yippee: RUDY :yippee::p

Is he still with that hot young actress? ;)

kiwifan
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:38 AM
Originally Posted by kiwifan http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=9485848#post9485848)
:yippee: RUDY :yippee:


:p

Is he still with that hot young actress? ;)

gonna call a special prosecutor? :tape:

I have rooting interests in both parties (wonder why everyone doesn't :scratch: )

Rudy is my man on the right.

Barack is my man on the left.

They both have the same chance of being President in 2008 :sad:, but if they're "in the game", VP is a very reasonable goal. :shrug:

Besides, I pretty much hate everybody else in the game.
Originally Posted by kiwifan http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=9485848#post9485848)
:yippee: RUDY :yippee:

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:52 AM
yeah, he aint getting no nom. plusi firmly disagree that he is liberal anything,by i have already covered why in like 3 other threads.

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:54 AM
:yippee: RUDY :yippee:

you know you could not be more wrong. :ras: by your logic, in the other thread bush is a great president because crime is lower now than it was 20 years ago :ras: :ras: :kiss: :kiss: yeah i said it, you are wrong, and what :bounce: :cool: :p

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:59 AM
all that, plus there is now lots of documentation about how mismanaged the city was during 9/11. That's in addition to all the people dropping like flies around here who volunteered to clean up all the mess at ground zero.

:worship::sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:

not to mention the question that if the MTA (and you all know i feel about them) managed to save every single life underground, and get all the stations and everything else under the towers evacuated, why did the city do such a poor job able ground? :sad: :sad: :sad:

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:11 AM
im surprised at the response of ppl to rudy....to a neutral bystander...it seems like he is a hero.....but i guess the ppl that were in the US at that time know better

kiwifan
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:59 AM
you know you could not be more wrong. :ras: by your logic, in the other thread bush is a great president because crime is lower now than it was 20 years ago :ras: :ras: :kiss: :kiss: yeah i said it, you are wrong, and what :bounce: :cool: :p

Focus...lack of focus...or is it just a really shitty sense of timing?

You get no credit for coming up with "comebacks" more than 24 hours after the fact. :retard:

Not going there with you. :yawn:

In fact slow comebacks are so boring that its putting me to sleep, time to go to bed. :wavey: :zzz:


Originally Posted by kiwifan http://imgsrv2.tennisuniverse.com/wtaworld/images/buttons/blue/viewpost.gif (http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?p=9485848#post9485848)
:yippee: RUDY :yippee:

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:05 AM
Focus...lack of focus...or is it just a really shitty sense of timing?

You get no credit for coming up with "comebacks" more than 24 hours after the fact. :retard:

Not going there with you. :yawn:

In fact slow comebacks are so boring that its putting me to sleep, time to go to bed. :wavey: :zzz:

and you might be right but you still lose, and i am still cuter :ras:

BUBI
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:31 AM
I would put my money on John McCain...

Hilary Clinton 2.37
John Edwards 5.50
John Mccain 6.00
Barack Obama 13.00
Condoleeza Rice 15.00
Rudolph Giuliani 17.00
Mitt Romney 17.00
John Kerry 21.00
Arnold Schwarzenegger 26.00
Al Gore 26.00
Sam Brownback 34.00
Mike Huckabee 34.00
Tom Vilsack 51.00
Newt Gingrich 51.00
Jeb Bush 51.00
George Pataki 51.00
Evan Bayh 51.00
Chuck Hagel 51.00
Tom Ridge 67.00
Tom Daschle 67.00
Elizabeth Dole 67.00
Dirk Kempthorne 67.00
Colin Powell 67.00
Bob Ehrlich 67.00
Bill Richardson 67.00
Tom Tancredo 81.00
Russ Feingold 81.00
Lamar Alexander 81.00
Joe Biden 81.00
Charles Schumer 81.00
Wesley Clark 101.00
Mike Easley 101.00
Howard Dean 101.00
Dick Cheney 101.00
Barbara Boxer 101.00

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:12 AM
where did u get those odds from?

BUBI
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:21 AM
where did u get those odds from?
http://www.willhill.com/iibs/EN/buildcoupon.asp?couponchoice=PO407741

RVD
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:43 AM
I would put my money on John McCain...

Hilary Clinton 2.37
John Edwards 5.50
John Mccain 6.00
Barack Obama 13.00
Condoleeza Rice 15.00
Rudolph Giuliani 17.00
Mitt Romney 17.00
John Kerry 21.00
Arnold Schwarzenegger 26.00
Al Gore 26.00
Sam Brownback 34.00
Mike Huckabee 34.00
Tom Vilsack 51.00
Newt Gingrich 51.00
Jeb Bush 51.00
George Pataki 51.00
Evan Bayh 51.00
Chuck Hagel 51.00
Tom Ridge 67.00
Tom Daschle 67.00
Elizabeth Dole 67.00
Dirk Kempthorne 67.00
Colin Powell 67.00
Bob Ehrlich 67.00
Bill Richardson 67.00
Tom Tancredo 81.00
Russ Feingold 81.00
Lamar Alexander 81.00
Joe Biden 81.00
Charles Schumer 81.00
Wesley Clark 101.00
Mike Easley 101.00
Howard Dean 101.00
Dick Cheney 101.00
Barbara Boxer 101.00What the...?!! :eek: :help:
I can't believe the Succubus made the top five! :lol:
These numbers can't be right. :o
Interestingly enough is the fact that 2 women are in the top five as well. Is this a sign that times are actually changing? :yeah:

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:08 AM
shes a major powerhouse......so im not surprised that she figures there in top somewhere

wta_zuperfann
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:20 PM
incestuous and serial adulterer hasn't got a ghost of a chance to win the Republican nomination - pro choice, pro gay, pro gun control with his naughty history will stop him in the Republican National Convention

Lord Nelson
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:43 PM
incestuous and serial adulterer hasn't got a ghost of a chance to win the Republican nomination - pro choice, pro gay, pro gun control with his naughty history will stop him in the Republican National Convention

why do you call him incestous? :confused:

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:43 PM
yea im wondering the same thing

wta_zuperfann
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:46 PM
... he screwed his own cousin

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:47 PM
What!!

wta_zuperfann
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:56 PM
Giuliani's first marriage was to his cousin and childhood sweetheart, Regina Peruggi, to whom he was married from 1969 to 1982. He has been married three times and that doesn't sit well with televangelist types.

Lord Nelson
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:04 PM
Giuliani's first marriage was to his cousin and childhood sweetheart, Regina Peruggi, to whom he was married from 1969 to 1982. He has been married three times and that doesn't sit well with televangelist types.

Ok I checked up on it. She is only his second cousin. I don't think that is incestous. Anyway I would like to see MCain clinch the nomination on the Republican side and Obama to clinch it on the Democrat side and those two to fight it off. I don't care who wins between them. But if Obama wins then I don't want Congress to remain Democrat. At least clinch one of the houses, Republicans. :bounce:

Kunal
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:57 PM
i want oprah for president


either her or jon stewart

MisterQ
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:06 PM
I never quite got the "Rudy as hero of 9/11" thing. :confused: (He was calm and comforting, but didn't do anything that I'd call an act of heroism). And as Al Sharpton said about a month later, "the people of New York City would have come together if Bozo the Clown was Mayor". (Sarcastic, but basically true).

Being calm and comforting (and PRESENT ON THE TV SCREEN unlike certain other elected officials!) in the hours after the attacks was very important to many of us who were stuck in our apartments without phone service working, with the sound of all the sirens and fighter jets and the ash snowing down outside.

I was not a fan of his before that day, but I think he showed amazing leadership for the city that week.

Do I want him to be president? Well, that's a different story... :lol:

SelesFan70
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:31 PM
Rudy will appeal to moderates, but not the evangelicals in the Republican party. He's way too pro-abortion and pro-gay.

Selah
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Being calm and comforting (and PRESENT ON THE TV SCREEN unlike certain other elected officials!) in the hours after the attacks was very important to many of us who were stuck in our apartments without phone service working, with the sound of all the sirens and fighter jets and the ash snowing down outside.

I was not a fan of his before that day, but I think he showed amazing leadership for the city that week.

Do I want him to be president? Well, that's a different story... :lol:

But that is what you would expect from ANY Major. Like the poster JR, I never got the extra accolades, and the near appointment of sainthood or something for Rudy after 9-11. He did nothing special in my eyes. Only thing I ever liked about Rudy was that he was tough on crime as a prosecuter and as mayor, and didn't seem to discriminate when it came to that. I have to say I didn't have a real problem with many of his policies but I still don't like him and probably wouldn't vote for him, if i could;)

samsung101
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:18 PM
I can't see him as the Prez. nominee, his pro-abortion stance isn't
too popular. But, I could see him as the VP candidate. I'd rather
see him in the Senate personally. Hopefully, if Hillary wins, he'll
go for that seat.


Rice and Martinez and any other minority candidate have a better
shot at the VP spot w/McCain.

But, he can nudge and bug McCain all the way to the convention.

Why not?

He's colorful, popular, and he's tough on crime and terrorism, and
very pro military, and yet, a social moderate to liberal.




He's more personable than John. McCain can be downright cranky
and nasty if tested.


Neither guy has a squeaky clean personal record either.


It's McCain's nomination to lose.

He'll campaign w/the GOP on the fight against terrorism (there is
no terrorism John, didn't you see the election results,it's a figment),
his stance of a strong military, anti-UN feelings, and his strong
pro-life stance, and his recent anti-gay marriage stance.


He's not popular right now with many Republicans. He stabbed
Bush in the back on many domestic issues, and helped the
modest GOP Congress get stonewalled on major issues for years,
and his amnesty and campaign finance reform measures were not
popular.

He has time to work it out though. We're seeing him suck up
to some Christian leaders, and talking out more on abortion and
marriage issues.

samsung101
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:56 PM
Rudy - has a real shot.
But, early primaries - less than one year away I think heavily
favor McCain and Romney.

McCain,
Rudy,
Romney,
those are the bit 3 right now.

As time goes by, Romney gains momentum.
Never underestimate a man who ran as a fiscal
and social conservative and won in Ted Kennedy's
home state. Would have won again had he
decided to run for that office.

Romney will move back to Utah if he loses, and
run for Senate or Governor there down the line.
He'd win in a landslide.


He's the new Reagan on many fronts, in looks, appeal,
and he is a great off the cuff speaker. Right now, I'd
probably vote for him over McCain.


But, they have to take out McCain. War hero, POW survivor,
pro-life, very strong on foreign policy and military. A royal
pain in the neck, likes to stick it to people of both parties,
and loves to see himself on tv, and promote his favorite
topic: John McCain.

Between McCain and Hillary, I'd hold my nose and vote for John.

samsung101
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:16 PM
Bush in 1998 was not the frontrunner. McCain was.

The Dems were looking at an easy win with the popularity
of Clinton-Gore, and the help of the media that preferred
them greatly.

Few took W seriously. Until he hit the campaign
and fundraising trail, and he flourished. Say what you
will about him, he likes to campaign and schmooze and
he's personable, and in the primaries that matters, and
he had a moderate conservative platform.


The same was true of Clinton, Gore was the most likely
to succeed in 1990-91, not the young governor from
a southern state w/ no federal experience. He won
people over, and he was the great speaker that
Al Gore was and is not.

Rudy has the name value, 9/11 track record, the
NYC record on crime and budgets, and he's a very
good public speaker. He's also very liberal for a
Republican.


So, yes, McCain is the top guy for the GOP. Hillary for
the Dems.


But, between now and the first primaries next year...a health
problem could emerge, a political scandal, books, tv investigations,
current political moves could hurt them, etc.

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:25 PM
... he screwed his own cousin

yes he did. its pretty :explode:

tenn_ace
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:29 PM
I'll take Rudy any day over moron Mitch :secret:

wta_zuperfann
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:34 PM
Ok I checked up on it. She is only his second cousin. I don't think that is incestous. Anyway I would like to see MCain clinch the nomination on the Republican side and Obama to clinch it on the Democrat side and those two to fight it off. I don't care who wins between them. But if Obama wins then I don't want Congress to remain Democrat. At least clinch one of the houses, Republicans. :bounce:



Among orthodox Catholics marrying up to fourth cousins was considered incestuous. For that reason, to this day his relationship with her is openly criticized in NYC (a highly Catholic City) as being in violation of Vatican prohibition on incest.

As for McCain, he is also divorced after having been found to be engaging in extra marital affairs as well. He has a long history of criticizing the right wing televangelist Pharisees, and never recovered from making the mistake of referring to Vietnamese as "gooks" for the torment he suffered in Nam. There was also some talk that his campaign has largely been financed from Arizona Indian casinos but I do not believe that this has attributed to Abramhoff (I can check on this point later on).

Obama appears to be a breath of fresh air in the world of American politics. He has a book out in the market today and I need to give it a look. It will be interesting to see how his campaign (should he undertake one for the Prez office) pans out.

samsung101
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:48 PM
It is fun to see John Kerry completely left out of any real
leadership role right now.

Again.


I can safely assume Kerry's chances are shot.



I'd bet more on Edwards than Kerry at this point.




Joe Lieberman w/McCain in 2008?

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Giuliani's first marriage was to his cousin and childhood sweetheart, Regina Peruggi, to whom he was married from 1969 to 1982. He has been married three times and that doesn't sit well with televangelist types.

i think MOST sensible people would not sit well with a presidential candidate who married his second cousin. its just nasty, not to mention borderline incestuous.

samsung101
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:54 PM
Obama is a great story.
Very articulate.
Great public speaker.
Telegenic.
Far more personable than Hillary is.

He is dynamic in a way that most other politicians are not.

But, he's a first term Senator who hasn't done much yet.
On anything, while in office.


His actual votes mirror Ted Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi.
He hasn't strayed far from the far left Democratic stands.



Moreover, Hillary and Bill will not allow anything to get in her
way. She waited a long time for her shot. Bill owes it to her.
They already have the black vote, so what is the incentive
to put a black candidate in for the VP spot. Especially one that
has more charisma than she does.

If he starts to do well in primaries, my prediction...some mysterious
scandal will erupt to end that run. Funny how those things happen
to opponents of Bill & Hill.


Seriously, do not mess with Hillary on 08'.

wta_zuperfann
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:04 PM
Obama ... "far left".

Proof???

MisterQ
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:31 PM
But that is what you would expect from ANY Major. Like the poster JR, I never got the extra accolades, and the near appointment of sainthood or something for Rudy after 9-11. He did nothing special in my eyes. Only thing I ever liked about Rudy was that he was tough on crime as a prosecuter and as mayor, and didn't seem to discriminate when it came to that. I have to say I didn't have a real problem with many of his policies but I still don't like him and probably wouldn't vote for him, if i could;)

You might hope for it from any mayor. But I really doubt many mayors would have done as well in those few days. He was calm, focused, compassionate, and articulate in the face of the unspeakable.

I also expected such a thing from our President, but he was nowhere to be found for hours after the attacks.

I do agree with you, however, that in the yearning for heros in the months afterwards, the Rudy worship did go WAY over the top. :lol:

Wigglytuff
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:34 PM
You might hope for it from any mayor. But I really doubt many mayors would have done as well in those few days. He was calm, focused, compassionate, and articulate in the face of the unspeakable.

I also expected such a thing from our President, but he was nowhere to be found for hours after the attacks.

I do agree with you, however, that in the yearning for heros in the months afterwards, the Rudy worship did go WAY over the top. :lol:
i have to agree, that i will i definitely had problems with the man he did do an amazing job. not perfect by any means but he stepped up where baby bush showed his ineptitude.

Lord Nelson
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:47 PM
Among orthodox Catholics marrying up to fourth cousins was considered incestuous. For that reason, to this day his relationship with her is openly criticized in NYC (a highly Catholic City) as being in violation of Vatican prohibition on incest.

As for McCain, he is also divorced after having been found to be engaging in extra marital affairs as well. He has a long history of criticizing the right wing televangelist Pharisees, and never recovered from making the mistake of referring to Vietnamese as "gooks" for the torment he suffered in Nam. There was also some talk that his campaign has largely been financed from Arizona Indian casinos but I do not believe that this has attributed to Abramhoff (I can check on this point later on).

Obama appears to be a breath of fresh air in the world of American politics. He has a book out in the market today and I need to give it a look. It will be interesting to see how his campaign (should he undertake one for the Prez office) pans out.
Oh I am Catholic and I never heard of this rule. Show me a source where the Vatican states that 4rth generation (or even 2nd generation) cousins can't marry. Incest is a crime and is frowned upon by all religions. But never have I hear the Church condemn marriage between 2nd, 3rd and 4rth generations. Ist cousins marriyng may be a sin but in India this is quite common and church officials say nothing.

RVD
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:44 PM
Obama ... "far left".

Proof???Obama is certainly not far left, which is why he garners such widespread support among along the more moderate Conservatives.
Samsung would do us all a big favor to post links that support such assertions. :)

RVD
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:52 PM
Oh I am Catholic and I never heard of this rule. Show me a source where the Vatican states that 4rth generation (or even 2nd generation) cousins can't marry. Incest is a crime and is frowned upon by all religions. But never have I hear the Church condemn marriage between 2nd, 3rd and 4rth generations. Ist cousins marriyng may be a sin but in India this is quite common and church officials say nothing.Possibly slightly off-topic but, wasn't this a common practice with the Royals? And weren’t/aren’t the Royals [English] Catholics? I would imagine that at one point this an was accepted practice. :shrug:

Anyway, topic-wise...
But that is what you would expect from ANY Major. Like the poster JR, I never got the extra accolades, and the near appointment of sainthood or something for Rudy after 9-11. He did nothing special in my eyes. Only thing I ever liked about Rudy was that he was tough on crime as a prosecuter and as mayor, and didn't seem to discriminate when it came to that. I have to say I didn't have a real problem with many of his policies but I still don't like him and probably wouldn't vote for him, if i could;)I fully agree.
He did his job.
That shouldn't make him a hero, but the right man for the job.
However, in times and moments of turmoil, people need someone to raise to darn near godhood to keep them going. :shrug: So I'm not surprised at the response from New Yorkers. :)

kiwifan
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Possibly slightly off-topic but, wasn't this a common practice with the Royals? And weren’t/aren’t the Royals [English] Catholics? I would imagine that at one point this an was accepted practice. :shrug:

Anyway, topic-wise...
I fully agree.
He did his job.
That shouldn't make him a hero, but the right man for the job.
However, in times and moments of turmoil, people need someone to raise to darn near godhood to keep them going. :shrug: So I'm not surprised at the response from New Yorkers. :)

Love the Royals comment (English were Catholic til Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Pope wouldn't let him :lol: ), I think if you take a look at most of the ultra-wealthy in the States - there's a lot of cross over (Franklin and Eleanor :p ) and a lot of them are triple/quadruple related to each other.

As far as "doing his job", I don't even care about 9-11...

J Edgar didn't "do his job" and no one who's run The Big Apple since the "Gangs of New York" days (talking at least 150 years) "did their job" the way Rudy "did his job".

Gotti, the Teflon Don. :scared:

:worship: RUDY is a bad ass :worship: & a "liberal" Republican :angel:

decemberlove
Nov 15th, 2006, 01:37 AM
Love the Royals comment (English were Catholic til Henry VIII wanted a divorce and the Pope wouldn't let him :lol: ), I think if you take a look at most of the ultra-wealthy in the States - there's a lot of cross over (Franklin and Eleanor :p ) and a lot of them are triple/quadruple related to each other.

As far as "doing his job", I don't even care about 9-11...

J Edgar didn't "do his job" and no one who's run The Big Apple since the "Gangs of New York" days (talking at least 150 years) "did their job" the way Rudy "did his job".

Gotti, the Teflon Don. :scared:

:worship: RUDY is a bad ass :worship: & a "liberal" Republican :angel:


True. He helped clean up midtown quite nicely.

*JR*
Nov 15th, 2006, 02:02 AM
Gotti, the Teflon Don. :scared:

Sorry, from a native Nooo Yawker, Rudy had zero to do with taking him down. That was the US Attorney for the Eastern District (Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island) Andrew Maloney... on the 4th attempt, after violating Mr. Gotti's civil liberties by having his consigliere :tape: lawyer Bruce Cutler disqualified from defending him. (Cutler was never even disbarred, much less charged as part of a Criminal Conspiracy).

Rudy did one thing besides cutting street crime he doesn't get credit for, though. When he took office, the public school custodians were in effect their own bosses (even getting to keep equipment bought with public funds after X years, and only having to mop the buildings... 3 times a year). So he forced out schools Chancellor Nathan Quinones, and renegotiated that contract where the principals could actually run their school buildings. (Benefitting mostly minority kids, BTW).

So all the blacks who hated him for supposedly fostering the atmosphere of poiice brutality where stuff happened like (innocent) Mr. Diallou being shot 41 times reaching for his keys (a true outrage) ought to remember that. And that they were the main victims of the street crime that plummeted drastically in his 8 years in office.

kiwifan
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:09 AM
Sorry, from a native Nooo Yawker, Rudy had zero to do with taking him down. That was the US Attorney for the Eastern District (Brooklyn, Queens, and Long Island) Andrew Maloney... on the 4th attempt, after violating Mr. Gotti's civil liberties by having his consigliere :tape: lawyer Bruce Cutler disqualified from defending him. (Cutler was never even disbarred, much less charged as part of a Criminal Conspiracy).

Rudy did one thing besides cutting street crime he doesn't get credit for, though. When he took office, the public school custodians were in effect their own bosses (even getting to keep equipment bought with public funds after X years, and only having to mop the buildings... 3 times a year). So he forced out schools Chancellor Nathan Quinones, and renegotiated that contract where the principals could actually run their school buildings. (Benefitting mostly minority kids, BTW).

So all the blacks who hated him for supposedly fostering the atmosphere of poiice brutality where stuff happened like (innocent) Mr. Diallou being shot 41 times reaching for his keys (a true outrage) ought to remember that. And that they were the main victims of the street crime that plummeted drastically in his 8 years in office.

zero to do?

well I was in The Great State of Jersey* at the time, oh "insider" :lol:, and there's nothing to debate...

...spin away but you're incorrect. :lol:

*Living in a town that didn't even have a post office but had 7 pizza joints in a 2 mile strip of the same road. Let's just say, I'm not basing my high opinion upon newspapers alone.

wta_zuperfann
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:11 AM
Oh I am Catholic and I never heard of this rule. Show me a source where the Vatican states that 4rth generation (or even 2nd generation) cousins can't marry. Incest is a crime and is frowned upon by all religions. But never have I hear the Church condemn marriage between 2nd, 3rd and 4rth generations. Ist cousins marriyng may be a sin but in India this is quite common and church officials say nothing.



A fair question. Catholic canon law has changed and the following is a study on the subject:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04264a.htm


Many old order Catholics in NYC still adhere to the old ways and this is why Giuliani's behavior is frowned upon by so many there.

wta_zuperfann
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:17 AM
Obama is certainly not far left, which is why he garners such widespread support among along the more moderate Conservatives.
Samsung would do us all a big favor to post links that support such assertions. :)




Republicans are notorious for their smear campaigns. Evidently they know Obama is a threat to their control of the USA and are in the process of smearing him. It's a good bet we'll be hearing bullsh*t stories of him being being a member of the Communist party, that he sells children into slavery on the streets of Chicago, and subscribes to Playboy magazine.

samsung101
Nov 15th, 2006, 03:55 PM
Personally, I'd rather see Rudy over at the United Nations if
Bolton doesn't get a recess appointment from Bush for another
year.


That would be a great show every single day.
He's huge in New York.
He knows the UN well.
He's known all over the world.
He could tell the nutjobs at the UN to shove it.
With style.



But, he won't get that job.

He foolishly thinks he can be President under the GOP.


Would the Democrats nominate a pro-life candidate?
Would the Democrats nominate a candidate who openly
opposed the legalization of gay marriage, and meant it?
Would the Democrats nominate a candidate who supported
the 2nd amendment more than more gun control laws?


That's how much chance Rudy has of getting the nomination
from the Republican Party.

But, he can raise his profile, make more cash down the line, and
annoy John McCain. That alone is worth supporting him. Needling
McCain.


On a side note: this is all setting up perfectly for Hillary.
The GOP may split enough to produce a 3rd party candidate, and
that will ensure, as it did for Bubba, Hillary wins just enough to
be President.

*JR*
Nov 15th, 2006, 04:08 PM
zero to do?

well I was in The Great State of Jersey* at the time, oh "insider" :lol:, and there's nothing to debate...

...spin away but you're incorrect. :lol:

*Living in a town that didn't even have a post office but had 7 pizza joints in a 2 mile strip of the same road. Let's just say, I'm not basing my high opinion upon newspapers alone.
Rudy narrowly lost to Dinkins in '89 after leaving the US Department of Justice. Then he made some big bling in a corporate law firm until their '93 rematch. In other words, he was no longer involved in Federal prosecutions by the time the charges were brought in the 4th case (where the Dapper Don finally lost).

So even if you hoid it from dat Tony Soprano guy himself, Rudy had nothing to do with it. (Plus, he was US Attorney for the Southern District of NY, and Gotti's trial was in the Eastern District). As CKB would say: DNT. :cool:

Vlover
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:26 PM
So all the blacks who hated him for supposedly fostering the atmosphere of poiice brutality where stuff happened like (innocent) Mr. Diallou being shot 41 times reaching for his keys (a true outrage) ought to remember that. And that they were the main victims of the street crime that plummeted drastically in his 8 years in office.

I totally disagree with you on this. Why don't we ever hear of "accidental" deaths and police brutallity like that of the Hatian in "white" neighborhoods as crimes are committed there too. There is no question that the American justice system is gravely unjust based on skin color and NYC under Rudy was no different.

BTW the crime rate in the whole country declined during that period and that of NYC is still low under Bloomberg therefore all credit was due to Rudey only. Anyway Rudy carries too much mud for the mudslinging Republicans to take a chance.

kiwifan
Nov 15th, 2006, 07:36 PM
Rudy narrowly lost to Dinkins in '89 after leaving the US Department of Justice. Then he made some big bling in a corporate law firm until their '93 rematch. In other words, he was no longer involved in Federal prosecutions by the time the charges were brought in the 4th case (where the Dapper Don finally lost).

So even if you hoid it from dat Tony Soprano guy himself, Rudy had nothing to do with it. (Plus, he was US Attorney for the Southern District of NY, and Gotti's trial was in the Eastern District). As CKB would say: DNT. :cool:

so he had "zero" to do with it? That's what you said right? :devil:

Like I said earlier, you know you're "spinning". :yawn:

Pretty weak spin too.

Its like saying only the guy who kicks the extra point really won the game, when the score was 51 to 6...

...sure the Seventh point was scored by the kicker...

...but that doesn't mean the kicker won the game. The whole team won the game and usually the QB and/or Coach ends up the name of note upon future discussion of the game...not the kicker of the 7th point.

...and I'm sure you'd be "wiki-googling" the kicker's name right now :p...

...if that's what this thread was about, but instead its a thread about :yippee: RUDY :yippee: so with all due respect to the 100s of others who participated in the take down of the Gambino Crime Family and friends, I'm singing the praises of :yippee: RUDY :yippee: in a thread about :yippee: RUDY :yippee:

The teams were "The Man" v "The Mafia" the players of note; :yippee: RUDY :yippee: and GOTTI :scared:


:yippee: RUDY :yippee: