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Bette_Midler
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:24 PM
El argentino Carlos Rodríguez, coach de Justine Henin, dice que la rusa aporta poco al tenis, que la WTA vive obsesionada por el dinero y la belga Clijsters por su “hipocresía”.

Madrid, España.- La belga Justine Henin-Hardenne ya tiene un plan para convertirse en 2007 en la jugadora hegemónica del circuito.Pero mientras llega ese momento su entrenador, el argentino Carlos Rodríguez, quiere poner los puntos sobre las íes, y en ese empeño no duda en atacar a la rusa Maria Sharapova por aportar poco al tenis, a la WTA por vivir obsesionada por el dinero y a Kim Clijsters por su “hipocresía”.

“Sharapova no trae nada nuevo al tenis. Si es por gritar, Venus (Williams) gritaba tan fuerte como ella, y (Monica) Seles incluso más fuerte”, dijo Rodríguez a la agencia Dpa en Madrid, donde Henin conquistó el Masters femenino y el número uno de la temporada.

Rodríguez comparte sueños tenísticos con su discípula y problemas como el veneno que suponen para el cuerpo de Henin los champiñones, los tomates y la leche de vaca.

Pero una de sus mayores preocupaciones en la actualidad es defender el derecho de su jugadora a ser la número uno incluso sin ser “glamourosa”. “Sharapova no trae nada nuevo al tenis. Se trata de pegarle muy fuerte a la pelota, gritar mucho y tirar donde el oponente no está, pero no hay una estrategia de base”, dice, al tiempo que critica a la WTA por pretender crear una “Kournikova bis”.

“La diferencia es que Kournikova, además de más linda, tenía la imagen de ‘glamour’ y de alguien inabordable, arrogante, pero una arrogancia que pasaba bien, porque ella es así. Hoy la WTA trata de hacer un mismo producto, porque (Sharapova) es un producto de marketing”.

Pocas cosas lo alegraron tanto como el triunfo sobre Sharapova en las semifinales, un triunfo que le permitió a la belga alcanzar el número uno, pero que siente que fue también el del tenis sobre el “glamour”.

El Masters de Madrid estuvo organizado, según Rodríguez, en función de la rusa. “Todo el Masters estuvo hecho para Sharapova. jugó siempre a la misma hora, tenía siempre los modelos recogepelotas. Marketing que le hace bien al tenis a corto plazo, pero no lo veo saludable para ella, ni a largo plazo para el tenis, porque es una forma de olvidarse del juego”.

El argentino cree además que Clijsters es hipócrita, y acusa a la belga y a su entorno de lanzar “golpes bajos” contra Henin.

“En cuanto Justine comenzó a ganarle a Kim, ganó su primer Grand Slam y fue número uno, hubo acusaciones de doping por parte del padre (de Clijsters) y de ella acerca de falta de fair-play”, recuerda.

“Si se hubieran disculpado, no pasaba nada, no somos rencorosos. pero cuando te vienen a hablar como si nada hubiera pasado… Hay una cierta hipocresía”.

Rodríguez contrapone el tenis de Henin y Amelie Mauresmo –“dos chicas normales”- con el de Sharapova.

“Hay que ver qué se privilegia. Mauresmo juega también muy bien al tenis. Aunque hay que decir las cosas: son chicas normales, no son chicas feas, pero tampoco son Sharapova, Dementieva o Kournikova. La sociedad de consumo hoy se mueve así. Se trata de las chicas lindas, del glamour, de los tipos que tienen ‘facha’ (buen aspecto)… y de la plata (dinero). Hoy, todo lo que hace la WTA está hecho con un sólo fin, que es el dinero”.

Más allá de las rivales, Rodríguez es una de las claves del éxito de Henin-Hardenne. Se conocen desde hace más de diez años, y es desde entonces su entrenador.

Es la primera vez que un entrenador argentino lleva a un tenista al número uno del mundo. Y Rodríguez no se imagina un futuro sin Henin a su lado.

“Todo está dispuesto para que podamos seguir juntos. Compartimos proyectos y ambiciones”, dice Rodríguez, un discreto ex tenista que dejó su país hace casi 20 años para trasladarse a Bélgica, donde empezó una nueva vida.

Aunque no está lejos de sonrojarse, finalmente no oculta que le produce satisfacción ser el primer argentino en conquistar el número uno como entrenador.

“Es una novedad. Uno no piensa mucho en eso, pero se siente un poco halagado, porque el entrenador contribuye. Fui lo suficientemente malo como jugador como para darme cuenta de lo difícil que es”, explica.

Rodríguez no es un entrenador al uso. Parece, por momentos, el hermano mayor de Henin, preocupado por el gusto que la tenista tiene por la velocidad y la adrenalina.

“Le encanta liberar adrenalina arrojándose en paracaídas. Y yo le digo ‘como quieras’, pero si el paracaídas no se abre seguro que es el final de tu carrera. Pero es cierto que no esquía, porque ahí es fácil que uno se lesione de gravedad. Y no probó todavía tirarse de un puente, espero que no lo haga”.

Planificador riguroso, Rodríguez quiere que su jugadora sea en 2007 la tenista dominante, que se mantenga en el número uno del principio al fin. Y sueña también con que gane el Grand Slam -los cuatro torneos grandes en la misma temporada-, aunque lo dice casi en voz baja.

“Es algo muy fuerte, uno no quiere pensar, es muy enorme, pero nos podemos permitir soñar”, admite.

El sueño no está tan lejos, porque Henin jugó las finales de los cuatro Grand Slam en 2006, aunque sólo ganó la de Roland Garros.


dpa

http://www.milenio.com/index.php/2006/11/13/14242/


I think is better not doing a transt :lol:

shibster
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:30 PM
i will hazard to post an english machine translated ref. a quick one for non spanish readers like me:


The Argentinean Carlos Rodriguez, coach of Justine Henin, says that the Russian contributes little to the tennis, that the WTA lives obsessed by the money and the Belgian Clijsters by his “hipocresía”. Madrid, Spain. -

The Belgian Justine Henin-Hardenne already has a plan to become 2007 in the hegemonic player of the circuit. But while his trainer arrives that moment, the Argentinean Carlos Rodriguez, wants to put the points on íes, and in that persistence nondoubt in attacking the Russian Maria Sharapova to contribute little to tennis, to the WTA to live obsessed by the money and to Kim Clijsters by his “hipocresía”. “Sharapova does not bring anything new to tennis. If it is to shout, Venus (Williams) shouted as hard as she, and (Monica) Seles even more fort”, said Rodriguez to Dpa agency in Madrid, where Henin conquered the feminine Masters and number one of the season.

Rodriguez shares tenísticos dreams with their disciple and problems like the poison that suppose for the body of Henin champiñones, the tomatos and the milk of cow. But one of its greater preoccupations at the present time is to even defend the right of its player to be number one without being “glamourosa”.

“Sharapova does not bring anything new to tennis. One is to beat to him to the ball very hard, to shout much and to throw where the opponent is not, but is no a base strategy”, says, to the time that criticizes to the WTA to try to create a “Kournikova bis”. “The difference is that Kournikova, in addition to prettier, had the image of `glamour' and somebody inabordable, arrogant, but an arrogance that happened well, because it is thus.

Today the WTA tries to make a same product, because (Sharapova) it is a marketing product”. Few things cheered so much to it as the triumph on Sharapova in the semifinals, a triumph that allowed the Belgian to reach the number one, but that feels that he was also the one of tennis on “glamour”. The Masters of Madrid was organized, according to Rodriguez, based on the Russian.

“All the Masters was done for Sharapova. it always played the same hour, always had the models recogepelotas. Marketing that does to him well to short term tennis, but I do not see it healthful for her, nor long term for tennis, because it is a form to forget the game”.

The Argentinean creates in addition who Clijsters is hypocritical, and blames the Belgian and his surroundings to send “low blows” against Henin. “As soon as Justine began to gain Kim to him, gained its first Grand Slam and was number one, was accusations of doping on the part of the father (of Clijsters) and of her about lack of fair-play”, it remembers.

“If they had apologized, he did not pass anything, we are not rencorosos. but when they come to speak to you as if nothing had happened… There is certain hipocresía”. Rodriguez opposes the tennis of Henin and Amelie Mauresmo - “two normal girls” - with the one of Sharapova.

“It is necessary to see what is privileged. Mauresmo also plays very well tennis. Although it is necessary to say the things: they are small normal, are not small ugly, but they are not Sharapova, Dementieva or Kournikova either. The consumer society today moves thus. One is about the pretty girls, glamour, the types that have `look' (good aspect)… and the silver (money). Today, everything what the WTA does is done with only an aim, that is the money”.

Beyond the rivals, Rodriguez is one of the keys of the success of Henin-Hardenne. They have been known for more than ten years, and is since then its trainer. It is the first time that an Argentine trainer takes to a tennis player to number one of the world. And Rodriguez does not imagine a future without Henin to their side.

“Everything is arranged so that we pruned to follow together. We shared projects and ambitions”, says Rodriguez, discreet an ex- tennis player who let his country almost 20 years ago to be transferred to Belgium, where began a new life. Although it is not far from sonrojar itself, finally does not hide that it produces satisfaction to him to be the first Argentinean in conquering number one like trainer.

“It is a newness. One does not think much about that, but a little flattered feels, because the trainer contributes. I was the sufficiently bad thing as player as to give account to me of the difficult thing that it is”, it explains. Rodriguez is not a trainer to the use. It seems, per moments, the older brother of Henin, worried about the taste that the tennis player has by the speed and the adrenalin. “He enchants to release adrenalin to Him throwing itself in parachute. And I say `to him as you want', but the parachute is not opened safe that it is the end of your race. But it is certain that it does not ski, because there is easy that one is injured of gravity. And it still did not prove to throw itself of a bridge, I hope that it does not do it”.

Rigorous planner, Rodriguez wants that their player is in 2007 the dominant tennis player, who stays in number one of the principle to the aim. And he also dreams whereupon he gains the Grand Slam - the four great matches in the same season, although he almost says it in low voice. “He is something very strong, one does not want to think, is very enormous, but we can be allowed to dream”, admits. The dream is not so far, because Henin played the the four end of Grand Slam in 2006, although only gained the one of Roland Garros.

Rocketta
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:31 PM
how you going to post that and then refuse to do a translation? :eek:

Bette_Midler
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:32 PM
how you going to post that and then refuse to do a translation? :eek:


LOL sorry is true :lol:

felipe2004
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:33 PM
I think is better not doing a transt :lol:
True :tape: :tape: Carlos really spoke his mind there :eek:

Nicolás89
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:37 PM
"maria sharapova doesnt bring nothing new to tennis she doesnt have any strategy when she plays" true i guess:shrug:
also he says that anna k is pretier that her and venus and seles are louder than her too:lol:

the whole clijsters situation :eek: maybe for that reason kim and justine arent close:(

DragonFlame
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:37 PM
wow, a pretty heavy article. As things may be, he is still the best coach out there right now:)

Rocketta
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Well it's typical Carlos.......Justine good, everyone else bad. :lol:

vogus
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:43 PM
Carlos Rodriguez: the smartest man in women's tennis. :worship:

saki
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:43 PM
:lol:Well it's typical Carlos.......Justine good, everyone else bad.

Well, yeah. But that's what makes him such a good coach for someone like Justine. He'd be a rubbish journalist or commentator but he really is a fantastic coach.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:44 PM
why does carlos does the bragging and complains? No wonder Justine is not as friendly to other players as it seems.

pigam
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:45 PM
the clijsters quotes are old!

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:48 PM
I agree with Carlos on many things and applaud him for his outspokenness but, at the same time, I am not sure that this really helps JUJU.

Exiliado
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:54 PM
Mucho de lo que dijo el entrenador es cierto.
NO es bueno para el tenis concentrarse solamente en la belleza. There are many beautiful tennis players but not all are working hard. :(
It's a pity the situation with Kim. The thing there is :o

Hercules
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:58 PM
“En cuanto Justine comenzó a ganarle a Kim, ganó su primer Grand Slam y fue número uno, hubo acusaciones de doping por parte del padre (de Clijsters) y de ella acerca de falta de fair-play”, recuerda

lol, se sorprende de q le acusen de marrullera y antideportiva? :rolleyes:

Corswandt
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:08 PM
Carlos Rodríguez being his usual classy, graceful self.

Easy to see where JHH got her borderline paranoid "Poor little me against the whole big, cruel world" mindset.

Rodríguez feels he can vent his spleen, and show his pettiness and resentement, now that he and JHH are on top of the world, but I wouldn't be surprised if all of this later came back to bite him in the arse.

Dawn Marie
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:11 PM
I got the jist of the article and with all honestly he is on point! The man is speaking the truth. He is about the game. He is telling it like it is. THE WTA is ALL ABOUT MONEY and they do cater to MASHA. And they made a name for her to use her to make them more money.

No denying that it is pleasing to the tennis eye to watch Henin and Momo play the game. When it comes to sports I want quality not some overyhped beauty product of the game.

When I was watching the final I was thinking that I hopeAmeile and Justine's games really make alot of other young girls to WANT to play a game like theirs. I want to see more one hand backhands and volleying skills.

BOTTOMLINE: I don't want the all-court game to die out.

Astro Jetson
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Why can't he just :tape::rolleyes:
Seriously, he may be the one responsible for where Justine is tenniswise and that's positive I guess, but publicitywise he's a moron.

saki
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:19 PM
I got the jist of the article and with all honestly he is on point! The man is speaking the truth. He is about the game. He is telling it like it is. THE WTA is ALL ABOUT MONEY and they do cater to MASHA. And they made a name for her to use her to make them more money.

No denying that it is pleasing to the tennis eye to watch Henin and Momo play the game. When it comes to sports I want quality not some overyhped beauty product of the game.

When I was watching the final I was thinking that I hopeAmeile and Justine's games really make alot of other young girls to WANT to play a game like theirs. I want to see more one hand backhands and volleying skills.

BOTTOMLINE: I don't want the all-court game to die out.

Basically, the WTA don't have confidence that people will pay to watch the women play just because they play good tennis. They think the only way for the WTA to make money is to have pretty girls playing. Honestly, that's disrespectful to Maria herself as well as the other players. Maria is a champion and deserves better.

LoveFifteen
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:21 PM
Wow, all I can say is that JHH and her coach are a match made in hell heaven.

tenn_ace
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:23 PM
so, I guess, if it is up to him there would have been 2 players on the tour because only they contribute something to the game. Oh well, then he should create his own tour.

PS. I'm not sure that even the second player (Amelie) would agree to play with the faker. For sure.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:23 PM
Basically, the WTA don't have confidence that people will pay to watch the women play just because they play good tennis. They think the only way for the WTA to make money is to have pretty girls playing. Honestly, that's disrespectful to Maria herself as well as the other players. Maria is a champion and deserves better.


But we also to accept the fact that WTA needs a selling factor and right now its Maria.

No Money, No Sponsor, no WTA

Its a shame but its a fact.

It happened with Kournikova, then MArtina Hingis, then Williams Sisters, they are the WTA tennis sellers!

tenn_ace
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:24 PM
I got the jist of the article and with all honestly he is on point! The man is speaking the truth. He is about the game. He is telling it like it is. THE WTA is ALL ABOUT MONEY and they do cater to MASHA. And they made a name for her to use her to make them more money.

No denying that it is pleasing to the tennis eye to watch Henin and Momo play the game. When it comes to sports I want quality not some overyhped beauty product of the game.

When I was watching the final I was thinking that I hopeAmeile and Justine's games really make alot of other young girls to WANT to play a game like theirs. I want to see more one hand backhands and volleying skills.

BOTTOMLINE: I don't want the all-court game to die out.


would love to see the song you have been singing if one of the williamses was even hinted abount in this article. :lol:

saki
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:30 PM
But we also to accept the fact that WTA needs a selling factor and right now its Maria.

No Money, No Sponsor, no WTA

Its a shame but its a fact.

It happened with Kournikova, then MArtina Hingis, then Williams Sisters, they are the WTA tennis sellers!

The ATP sells itself on being good tennis and good entertainment. There's no reason why the WTA couldn't do the same. Plenty of good tennis, contrasting styles, etc in the top 10. But the WTA is somehow convinced that players like Amelie and Justine aren't marketable despite the fact that even people who don't like them find their tennis exciting to watch.

tenn_ace
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:32 PM
The ATP sells itself on being good tennis and good entertainment. There's no reason why the WTA couldn't do the same. Plenty of good tennis, contrasting styles, etc in the top 10. But the WTA is somehow convinced that players like Amelie and Justine aren't marketable despite the fact that even people who don't like them find their tennis exciting to watch.

well, maybe because women's tennis in general is not as exciting as men's?

saki
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:35 PM
well, maybe because women's tennis in general is not as exciting as men's?

I think most people who buy tickets for the WTA are not doing so to watch pretty women, though, I think the WTA is completely mistaken in that. Just look at the posters here - half of them are gay men, most of the rest are straight women..

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:36 PM
The ATP sells itself on being good tennis and good entertainment. There's no reason why the WTA couldn't do the same. Plenty of good tennis, contrasting styles, etc in the top 10. But the WTA is somehow convinced that players like Amelie and Justine aren't marketable despite the fact that even people who don't like them find their tennis exciting to watch.

Are u serious?
Without any american to market nowadays, even ESPN does'nt wanna show tennis events in place of more popular sports, NBA, NFL, etc...

They are rooting so much for Andy before to do good and now they shifted to NAdal who also has a charisma to sell.


Its all about money really and you cannot blame them.

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:38 PM
I think most people who buy tickets for the WTA are not doing so to watch pretty women, though, I think the WTA is completely mistaken in that. Just look at the posters here - half of them are gay men, most of the rest are straight women..
They are trying to get the casual sports fan to watch, and the commercials that run on sports tv seem to make sports fans look like horny drunken guys.

saki
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:40 PM
They are trying to get the casual sports fan to watch, and the commercials that run on sports tv seem to make sports fans look like horny drunken guys.

Exactly - and that just isn't true. Look at the events that attract good crowds, year on year, and what their audiences look like - the Charleston audience, for example, tends to be middle-aged/elderly people and families. But the ads are all about the horny teenage males..

Joana
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:45 PM
I can see his point about Sharapova - although as a coach of a fellow player he perhaps shouldn't have spoken up so openly.
What I don't understand, however, is the need to dig up the Clijsters situation all over again. I thought they had moved on.

Bottom line is, Carlos is one hell of a coach and the best thing that ever happened to Justine's career, but he really needs to shut up sometimes.

flyingmachine
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:53 PM
I agree with Carlos on many things and applaud him for his outspokenness but, at the same time, I am not sure that this really helps JUJU.

I agree he's right to point out that Maria appeal are a more to do with commercialism rather than as a tennis player. However WTA do need an element of commercialism in order to keep profession tennis going otherwise who's going to paid their wages. Someone has to do that and it's better for Maria to do it (Who is very happy to do that) than Justine. Anyway, at least Maria can play decent tennis it can be or used to be worse remenbered Anna K.

pooh14
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:00 AM
i think coaches should avoid commenting on other players.....
however true it may be, they should just stick on coaching job.

whatever he say might even affect henin indirectly.

Justine Fan
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:23 AM
Wow, all I can say is that JHH and her coach are a match made in hell heaven.

MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

That coming from a fan of the player who has the biggest and nastiest mouth in the whole of the sports world ... her wicked evil tounge cuts more than a knife. At least Amelie and JuJu have made up .. Amelie still finds it hard to even look at Martina and it happened about 7 years ago. Note the cold handshake at the net in Madrid.

Seems like you and your fave are a match made in hellheaven.

shibster
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:32 AM
carlos. i guess when he speaks in spanish, he really doesn't hold back. i think many are not too aware of the pro sharky marketing articles that were on the english press. about how justine had spoilt the perfect party, by denying wta of a successful marketing campaign.

i have made posts about the irony of justine's win over sharky. the monetizing of the tour is not new. but treating women as objects is wrong. and players who allow male chauvanists to do that to them are just.......

does federer have to wear a nice tutu and prance around? i agree that what nadal wears is kinda making headlines but, no, they dun talk about his special shirt or whatever, they focus on tennis.

so why should it be different from wta? the difference is that the decision makers are men, who are obssessed with objectifying women. i may hazard to sound like a feminist here.

sharky is not that bad for the tour, carlos. people who milk her and drown the tour with her are. she's just right there at the "right time" and willing to do it for the money. everybody wins, but the plot is lost. not only that but, tennis as a sport, loses; and those who only want to play tennis, sadly, loses too.

on another note: carlos should take some PR and spin doctor 101 lessons. i can volunteer, LOL.

goldenlox
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:22 AM
players who allow male chauvanists to do that to them are just.......


I don't think Sharapova is doing anything wrong.
She's 19, and ranked #2.

It's the media, and the WTA.
Versus (and ESPN) want to show her matches, and Larry Scott and TD's want her posters all over town.

Sharapova doesn't control any of that.

She takes some easy money to do appearances and photoshoots that take a few days a year.

All the top players do it, and they are all multi-millionaires.
Some of the media want you to believe that Sharapova is the only player making money.
And those guys probably make $20,000 a year.

maddyus
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:47 AM
I agree with Carlos on many things and applaud him for his outspokenness but, at the same time, I am not sure that this really helps JUJU.

I agree with u!!:)

vejh
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:51 AM
Carlos..lol. Tell us how you really feel.lol

Somebody said the Clijsters quotes are old, but regardless I think that really hurt him. He does see himself as a protector of JHH, and there are things that was done that hurt him and her. And sure people can get over things and move on, but at least apologize; that makes things genuine; no sense sweeping it under the rug and not attempting to heal the wound.

I actually feel sorry for Maria sometimes. She's heavily marketed, heavily. She seems to have to jump through hoops for people, with all the sponsorships and stuff. And how does it feel to have the whole tour organized around you? I can see her rebelling one day. There must be a lot of pressure on her. I can imagine the sponsors in her ears before her semis w/ JHH: "you have to win this one. Win and you'll get 50% increase. Do this for women's tennis etc." I've never seen marketing so blatant. There is not even a mixture of promotion of the sport and Shara. It's a downright shame. I tell ya, that Larry Scott...*shakes head*. There is something about him that makes me feel physically ill.

Rocketta
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:58 AM
Somebody said the Clijsters quotes are old, but regardless I think that really hurt him. He does see himself as a protector of JHH, and there are things that was done that hurt him and her. And sure people can get over things and move on, but at least apologize; that makes things genuine; no sense sweeping it under the rug and not attempting to heal the wound.


Well to expect apologies people have to be willing to give apologies and quite frankly....I've yet to see that from Justine and Carlos. :unsure:

40-0
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:03 AM
wow QUE FUERTE"!!!!!!!
he says that maria played at the same hour with the same models and all hes bashing WTA so friggin bad, but the worst part is that is cruel but real everything he says!

vejh
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:14 AM
Rocketta, that's a blatant lie..blatant.. either that or you didn't even think before you typed. Besides I don't need someone to apologize to me before I apologize for what I did wrong. That's just a stupid response if ever there was any (there are times when I just cannot abide foolishness).

pooh14
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:33 AM
Amelie still finds it hard to even look at Martina and it happened about 7 years ago. Note the cold handshake at the net in Madrid.



how the the handshake at madrid..i didn't see them. anybody has a picture?
i remember the 2 previous handshake was fine, the berlin and dubai tournaments......

Dawn Marie
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:53 AM
Basically, the WTA don't have confidence that people will pay to watch the women play just because they play good tennis. They think the only way for the WTA to make money is to have pretty girls playing. Honestly, that's disrespectful to Maria herself as well as the other players. Maria is a champion and deserves better.


I agree.

Dawn Marie
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:01 AM
would love to see the song you have been singing if one of the williamses was even hinted abount in this article. :lol:


Actually he did comment on Venus and her loud shrieks. So what it's true.

To be real about it, Carlos is speaking the truth. What his says is good for the game and for women.

Whoever says that the WTA NEEDS SEX appeal to sell tickets and hold interest are fooing themselves! Women play many sports and they are not used in the way tennis uses their own. WNBA basketball,Golf(although Golf is going the tennis route imho)Soccer.

What is happening imho is that the WTA is INSULTING our love of the game. They are insulting our intelliegence!!

I would pay to see Justine and Hingis along with Momo anyday. Thay have a huge following.

I was pissed at Juju's court behavior in Oz 06, but I still respect her game. I also respect Carlos. He really has her best interest at heart. Just like Richard Williams. I have to give him credit for truely standing by Justine and her talent.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:55 AM
Well to expect apologies people have to be willing to give apologies and quite frankly....I've yet to see that from Justine and Carlos. :unsure:

They have nothing to apologize for. Period. :wavey:

Rocketta
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:00 AM
Rocketta, that's a blatant lie..blatant.. either that or you didn't even think before you typed. Besides I don't need someone to apologize to me before I apologize for what I did wrong. That's just a stupid response if ever there was any (there are times when I just cannot abide foolishness).

what are you talking about? I'm saying Justin and Carlos have not apologized for their actions people found shady so why would they expect anyone else to?

Stamp Paid
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:00 AM
MWAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAA

That coming from a fan of the player who has the biggest and nastiest mouth in the whole of the sports world ... her wicked evil tounge cuts more than a knife. At least Amelie and JuJu have made up .. Amelie still finds it hard to even look at Martina and it happened about 7 years ago. Note the cold handshake at the net in Madrid.

Seems like you and your fave are a match made in hellheaven.

I hate Hingis, but damn. Are musdslinging and dick-riding the only two things that you know how to do on this forum?

anlavalle
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:14 AM
well, Maria is not that bad for the tour
Did i say that?:tape: :help:
but yes the wta tour is obsessed with Maria and that`s is what is wrong

Ben.
Nov 14th, 2006, 05:17 AM
Think carlos is gettin way ahead of himself, but he still has a right 2 speak his mind. but he should of just kept his mouth shut 4 justine's sake.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 14th, 2006, 06:39 AM
I hate Hingis, but damn. Are musdslinging and dick-riding the only two things that you know how to do on this forum?

That syphilis post must really have you worried ;)

explorer
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:17 AM
One thing I've learnt from last few years is that don't unconditionaly trust the media, especially the Belgium media.

dreamgoddess099
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:55 AM
Whoever says that the WTA NEEDS SEX appeal to sell tickets and hold interest are fooling themselves! Women play many sports and they are not used in the way tennis uses their own. Tell me about it, most of the fans of woman's tennis are gay males, straight (and gay) females who watch the sport for the sport and personalities regardless of sex appeal. Like someone said, just look at this damn board. The WTA has the worst marketers, talk about a bunch of fuck-ups who couldn't sell ice water to people in hell. They still haven't figured out that straight male fans are not it's biggest fan base, so why cater to them? Do those idiots do any marketing research?

WNBA basketball,Golf(although Golf is going the tennis route imho)Soccer. And notice that these sports don't have any problems enticing American girls to want to play them, unlike women's tennis. When girls don't even respect the WTA tour enough to choose it over basketball, soccer, track, volleyball, etc. although they can potentially make more money playing tennis, that says a lot about the image the tour is putting out, which is looks first, skill second. They will never achieve equality for women's tennis with that kind of joke image.

What is happening imho is that the WTA is INSULTING our love of the game. They are insulting our intelligence!!

Like I've said for many years, women's sports cater to male fans by looking to make a quick buck by selling the easiest thing to market, sex. Sex isn't the most effective marketing, it's the easiest, there is a difference. Sex brings in Halle Berry money, Respect from fans and future athletes brings in Oprah money.

Martian KC
Nov 14th, 2006, 08:30 AM
I don't think Carlos is foolish enough to repeat those quotes on Clijsters even if it's true.

Beat
Nov 14th, 2006, 09:02 AM
somebody should tell this bitter old man that tennis is part of the entertainment industry. of course there's a lot of bullshit attached to that, but if you mind it so much and hate everyone so much, do something else - and give me the obscene amounts of money you're making, buddy.

saki
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:15 AM
what are you talking about? I'm saying Justin and Carlos have not apologized for their actions people found shady so why would they expect anyone else to?

Justine and Carlos don't agree that some of the actions were shady. It's not that they refuse to apologise just because they don't apologise. Justine apologised personally to Lindsay for accusing her of faking cramps and has mentioned it as something she regrets. Lindsay, judging by her comments on Justine and her warmth at net, has accepted the apology.

Accusing Justine of taking drugs was.. 100% wrong, offensive and just plain mean-spirited. No-one can defend those comments but no apology has ever been made.

Stavie
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:19 AM
Carlos is the best coach out there.That's why he works with Justine.Simply because the best go with the best!

Princeza
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:28 AM
Basically, the WTA don't have confidence that people will pay to watch the women play just because they play good tennis. They think the only way for the WTA to make money is to have pretty girls playing. Honestly, that's disrespectful to Maria herself as well as the other players. Maria is a champion and deserves better.


true rodriguez maybe forgot that maria is not just pretty, she's a gran slam winner too, and thats not because of her beauty of her screams, ONLY BECAUSE SHE'S A GREAT PLAYER,that's hypocrisy to say she didnt bring anything to tennis, because whether she is ur favourite or not she still make the show and good matches.
thats sad to hear that from rodriguez, if yuri sharapov said that , everyone would be spitting on him.

rikvanlooy
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:36 AM
Carlos is the best coach out there.That's why he works with Justine.Simply because the best go with the best!

The most important part in the interview has been forgotten.

The fact that Justine still has a burning ambition (the grand slam).

In the Belgian media I already heard her saying that she wants to train a lot harder than last year, because she felt tired at the end of all the slams. She wants to avoid that next year. I am certain that she is going for the slam next year.

If she is healthy she is the best player on tour. She is the most talented and the biggest fighter (Serena isn't playing at the moment).

Justine Fan
Nov 14th, 2006, 10:38 AM
I hate Hingis, but damn. Are musdslinging and dick-riding the only two things that you know how to do on this forum?

ONLY and I mean ONLY when someone MUDSLINGS at JHH. That is the only time and as always that's all Lovefifteen ever does!

BTW ... I like Hingis.

Parsley
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:08 AM
In order to sell tickets WTA needs someone people hate and will rush to the court to watch her losing... and today that name is Sharapova...

They can event promoteevents like this:

Do you want to see Sharapova losing? She is playing at event X this week. Buy your tickets now!

Bette_Midler
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:54 PM
a very interesting interview in el mundo

ENTREVISTA | Nº 1 DEL MUNDO
Henin: 'Hay glamour pero lo importante son los resultados'

DPA

MADRID.- Justine Henin-Hardenne dice amar lo que hace, dice que le encanta jugar al tenis. Parece lógico si se tiene en cuenta que su profesión es la de tenista, pero no es tan común como podría pensarse en un circuito femenino atenazado por la dictadura del "glamour" y el dinero, plagado de adolescentes que apenas ganaron algo ya están pensando en cómo ser famosas fuera de su deporte.

"Al final, la gente sigue pensando que lo más importantes es el resultado, lo que sucede en la cancha", asegura Henin-Hardenne durante una entrevista con la agencia dpa en la que analizó su juego, la extensa relación con su entrenador, las quejas de falta de dinero en el circuito, la obsesión por el "glamour", su necesidad de adrenalina y su futuro tras el tenis.

Número uno del mundo del 2006, campeona de Roland Garros, finalista en los otros tres Grand Slam y campeona el domingo en el Masters femenino disputado en Madrid, Henin-Hardenne es, con apenas 24 años, la gran figura de su deporte.

P: ¿Qué es lo que más le gusta del circuito femenino, y qué es lo que menos?

R: Lo que elegí en mi vida es competir, y es por eso por lo que estoy en la cancha, para ver hasta dónde llegan mis límites. Amo estar en la cancha, ese es mi trabajo. El resto no es lo más divertido, pero forma parte de ello. Viajar mucho, estar lejos de casa, lejos de la gente que tan bien conoces... Pero hay que aceptar las buenas cosas y las malas cosas, y estoy muy feliz de poder cumplir con la que es mi pasión.

P: El circuito de la WTA pone un fuerte acento en el "glamour", en el aspecto "sexy" de las jugadoras. Tenistas como Kuznetsova y Davenport critican ese camino, ¿qué opina usted?

R: No me quejo... No me concentro mucho en eso, no tengo realmente una opinión. A la gente le gusta, pero al final la gente también sigue pensando que lo más importante es el resultado, lo que sucede en la cancha. Creo que es muy bueno que el deporte genere mucha emoción, eso es algo importante.

P: Hay otras jugadoras que se quejan de que no hay suficiente dinero en el tenis.

R: (se ríe)...

P:: Que, por ejemplo, en el golf hay mucho más dinero que en el tenis.

R: Puedes verlo de diferentes maneras. Todos somos muy afortunados, incluso si no hay tanto dinero como en el golf u otros deportes. Prefiero apuntar a que amo lo que hago, que me encanta jugar, sentir emociones fuertes. Realmente no pienso ni hablo mucho del tema del dinero.

P: Tiene un argentino como entrenador, y desde hace diez años. Es realmente inusual mantener una relación tan larga con un entrenador.

R:: Es una relación fantástica. Soy muy afortunada de que se marchase de Argentina y se mudase a Bélgica en su momento. A veces te encuentras gente en tu vida, son momentos que se dan muy pocas veces, momentos en los que te das cuenta de que esa es la persona adecuada. Y eso es lo que pasó con Carlos. Es una gran aventura la que estamos viviendo con él, más de diez años juntos. Y no sucede mucho en el circuito que un jugador y su entrenador estén tanto tiempo juntos. Hay mucho respeto entre nosotros, sentimos que crecimos juntos. Me enseña algo nuevo cada día, y yo siempre lo escucho con la misma atención, el mismo respeto que hace diez años.Es probablemente por eso por lo que estamos juntos.

P: ¿Y por lo que estarán juntos hasta el final de su carrera?

R: Sí, es casi seguro. No veo por qué no. Su familia entiende perfectamente lo que está haciendo conmigo, y también su felicidad. Tuvimos algunos grandes momentos, y siempre estuvo a mi lado en los malos. También tengo una gran relación con sus hijos, y todo va bien. Probablemente termine mi carrera junto a él.

P: Usted ya ganó 29 torneos y tiene sólo 24 años. ¿Cómo hará para mantener la motivación?

R: Tengo la sensación de que ésta será mi vida por los próximos años. Me siento feliz de estar en la cancha. Puedo hacer algo que quiero mucho, y seguro que sufriré cuando todo esto termine, pero hay tiempo para todo. Puedo comenzar una nueva vida a los 30, pero ahora mismo mi vida es el tenis, y estoy muy feliz de eso, porque he estado jugando tenis por los últimos 20 años. Es toda mi vida, un montón de sacrificios. Cuando al final llega el triunfo, la sensación es enorme.

P: Usted es muy aficionada a lanzarse en paracaídas. ¿Por qué?

R: La primera vez que perdí en la primera o segunda ronda del Abierto de Francia me deprimí un poco. Estaba enferma, y necesitaba algo con un montón de adrenalina. Mi esposo ya saltaba, y fue él quién me impulsó y me hizo descubrir otra pasión. No salto muy a menudo durante la temporada, pero es una gran sensación.

P: ¿Le gustan los cambios en el circuito, el "ojo de halcón", la posibilidad de tener a su entrenador hablando con usted durante el partido?

R: ¡El "ojo de halcón" es grandioso! Me distraje un poco la primera vez que jugué con ese sistema en funcionamiento. ¿Lo uso ahora? ¿espero...? ¿Me reservo para el final del set? Pero me gusta. Y creo que la relación entre el juez de silla y el jugador es mucho mejor ahora, porque si quieres quejarte tienes la posibilidad del "ojo de halcón". Y al final del set, en puntos importantes, es algo que puede marcar una diferencia. Acerca del entrenador junto a los jugadores, creo que el tenis es grandioso como es. Sé que hay gente que probablemente quiere ver en televisión cómo es la relación entre jugadores y entrenadores, pero no creo que vaya a ser un éxito. Veremos.

P:: Usted es una de las muy escasas jugadoras de primer nivel que juegan con el revés a una mano. ¿Por qué?

R: Siempre jugué así, fue natural para mí cuando empecé a jugar al tenis. Y desde entonces nunca quise cambiar. Fue duro para mí, porque no era alta, no era fuerte, y cuando una es una niña pequeña y pega el revés a una mano todo toma más tiempo. Debí trabajar muy duro en lo técnico, pero tras eso todo fue muy natural. Y aunque la gente diga que el revés es mi mejor golpe, creo que gano más puntos con la derecha.

P: Está apuntando cada vez más a jugar en la red, a probar incluso el saque y red. Usted es muy buena desde el fondo, ¿cuál es el objetivo en buscar más agresividad?

P: Ya lo hice para alcanzar la final de Wimbledon, y sigo trabajando en ello. Es la manera de ponerle preesión a tu oponente, una manera de ser agresivo en el juego. Si hago saque y red debo ir adelante, y fui muy exitosa haciendo eso. Voy a seguir jugando de esa manera, porque también me permite ahorrar energía. Claro que no en todos los puntos, pero me gusta ese estilo de juego, y creo que puedo ser muy exitosa jugando así.

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INTERVIEW | N º 1 OF THE WORLD
Henin: ' It(He,She) Is glamour but the important thing they are the results '

DPA

MADRID. - Justine Henin-Hardenne says to love what it(he,she) does, says that he(she) is charmed with playing to the tennis. It(he) seems to be logical if there is born in mind that his(her,your) profession is that of tennis player, but it(he,she) is not so common as atenazado might be thought about a feminine circuit by the dictatorship of the "glamour" and the money become infested with teenagers who scarcely gained(earned) something already they are thinking in how being famous out of his(her,your) sport.

" Ultimately, the people continue thinking that the most important is the result, which happens in the field ", Henin-Hardenne assures during an interview with the agency dpa in the one that analyzed his(her,your) game, the extensive relation with his(her,your) trainer, the complaints of shortage of money in the circuit, the obsession for the "glamour", his(her,your) need of adrenaline and his(her,your) future after the tennis.

Number one of the world of 2006, champion of Roland Garros, finalist in other three Grand Slam and champion on Sunday in the feminine Masters disputed in Madrid, Henin-Hardenne is, with only 24 years, the great figure of his(her,your) sport.

P: What is what more him(her) pleases the feminine circuit, and is what what less?

R: What I chose in my life is to compete, and is because of it for what I am in the field, to see up to where my limits come. I love to be in the field, this it is my work. The rest is not the most enterteining thing, but it(he,she) forms a part of it. To travel very much, to be far from house, far from the people that so well you know... But it is necessary to accept the good things and the bad(wrong) things, and I am very happy to be able to expire with the one that is my passion.

P: The circuit of the WTA puts a strong accent in the "glamour", in the "sexy" aspect of the jugadoras. Tennis players like Kuznetsova and Davenport criticize this way, what does think you?

R: I do not complain... I do not center very much in it, do not have really an opinion. The people like it(him,her,you), but ultimately the people also continue thinking that the most important thing is the result, which happens in the field. I believe that it is very good that the sport generates many emotion, it is something important.

P: There are other jugadoras who complain about that there is no sufficient money in the tennis.

R: (He(She) laughs)...

P:: That, for example, in the golf there is very much more money that in the tennis.

R: You can see it in different ways. We all are very lucky, even if there is no so much money as(like) in the golf or other sports. I prefer pointing that I love what I make, that I am charmed with playing, feel strong emotions. Really I neither think nor speak much about the topic of the money.

P: It(He,She) takes an Argentinian as a trainer, and for ten years. It(he,she) is really unusual to support such a long relation with a trainer.

R:: It is a fantastic relation. I am very lucky of that it(he,she) was leaving of Argentina and one was changing Belgium into his(her,your) moment. Sometimes you are people in your life, they are moments that are given very rarely, moments in that you realize of that this is the suitable person. And it is what happened(passed) with Carlos. It is a great adventure through the one that we are living with him(it), more than ten united years. And much does not happen in the circuit that a player and his(her,your) trainer are so much time together. It(he,she) is very much I respect strictly between ourselves, we feel that we grew together. It(he,she) teaches(shows) something new to me every day, and I always it listen with the same attention, the same respect that ten years ago. It(he,she) is probably because of it for what we are united.

P: And for what they will be united until the end of his(her,your) career?

R: Yes, it(he) is almost sure. I do not see why not. His(her,your) family understands perfectly what it(he,she) is doing with me, and also his(her,your) happiness. We had some big moments, and always it(he,she) was to my side in the villains. Also I have a great relation with his(her,your) children, and everything is OK. Probably finish my career together with him(it).

P: You already gained(earned) 29 tilts and it(he,she) has only 24 years. How will it(he,she) do to support the motivation?

R: I have the sensation that this one will be my life for the next years. I feel happy to be in the field. I can do something that I want very much, and surely that I will suffer when all that ends, but it(he,she) is time for everything. I can begin a new life to the 30, but just now my life is the tennis, and I am very happy of it, because I have been playing tennis for the last 20 years. It is all my life, a heap of sacrifices. When ultimately the victory comes, the sensation is enormous.

P: You are very fond of be throwing(launching) in parachute. Why?

R: The first time that I lost in the first or second round of the Opened one of France I got depressed a bit. It(she) was sick, and needed something with a heap of adrenaline. My husband already was jumping, and it(he) was he(it) who stimulated me and made me discover another passion. I do not jump very often during the season, but it is a great sensation.

P: He(She) likes the changes in the circuit, the " eye of falcon ", the possibility of having his(her,your) trainer speaking with you during the party(game)?

R: The " eye of falcon " is grand! Me distraje a bit the first time that I played with this system in functioning. Do I use it now? I wait ...? Do I save myself by the end of the set? But I like it(him,her,you). And I believe that the relation between(among) the umpire and the player is much better now, because if you want to complain you have the possibility of the " eye of falcon ". And at the end of the set, in important points, it is something that can mark a difference. It(he,she) brings over of the trainer together with the players, I believe that the tennis is grand since(as) is. I know that there are people who probably wants to see in television how it is the relation between(among) players and trainers, but I do not believe that it is going to be a success. We will see.

P:: You are one of the very scanty jugadoras of the first level that they play with the reverse a hand. Why?

R: Always I played this way, it(he,she) was natural for me when I started playing to the tennis. And since then I never wanted to change. It(he) was hard for me, because it(she) was not high, it(he,she) was not strong, and when one is a small girl and sticks the reverse to a hand everything takes more time. I should have been employed very hardly at the technical thing, but after it everything was very natural. And though the people say that the reverse is my better blow, I believe that I gain(earn) more points with the right.

P: It(He,She) is pointing to play increasingly in the network(net), at trying even extract and network(net). You are very good from the bottom(fund), which is the aim(lens) in looking more for aggressiveness?

P: Already I did it to reach Wimbledon's final, and I continue being employed at it. It is the way of putting preesión your opponent, a way of being aggressive in the game. If I do extract and network(net) I must go forward, and I was very successful doing it. I am going to continue playing that way, because also it(he,she) allows me to save energy. Clear that not in all the points, but I like this style of game, and I believe that I can be very successful playing this way.

pooh14
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:53 PM
lets put it short,

we need players like amelie, lindsay and justine, who do their work quietly, we also need players like maria and ana, who add glamour to the game, we also need players like serena, venus and martina who add attitude and personality to the game...

without any one of them, the tour would be lopsided.

period.

olivia100
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:06 PM
Well it's typical Carlos.......Justine good, everyone else bad. :lol:

Yep, remember that crap he was talking back in 02-03 about V&S. I can't stand that low-life lying piece of shit.

Corswandt
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:26 PM
In order to sell tickets WTA needs someone people hate and will rush to the court to watch her losing... and today that name is Sharapova...

They can event promoteevents like this:

Do you want to see Sharapova losing? She is playing at event X this week. Buy your tickets now!

http://english.people.com.cn/200609/11/images/xin_5920903101619109277439.jpg

Piotr'ek
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:36 PM
He is a jerk :bolt:

Stavie
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Now that Justine prooved to be the best many ppl found another person to show their hate on (Carlos).Even if they know he's the best coach!

shibster
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:49 PM
how many of you can trust a person so completely, to guide you and bring you to your full potential.

it's when somebody tell you, play the 1st 7 points with serve and volley and see how it goes with the points, and you go out, execute and win most of it. and you really believe in that strategy crafter, and also your own execution.

honestly, how much do you trust a partner, or believe in a partnership that lasts more than 10 years? this is especially so in tennis. where the stakes are high and time is short.

i agree that carlos sometimes should not be so truthful. cos the fact is that, outright lies do not hurt, since everybody knows what the truth is. but it's the ultimate truth, that is unspeakable, LOL, and it hurts when somebody points it out. (just like the emperor's clothes).

i wished that there is more tact in relaying such opinions to the press, because others definitely do not take the criticisms too well. but i guess, how can honesty be wrong? but in a society that is all hot air, spin, and rainbows and bunnies, i guess this odd partnership does stand out to be not a good player of that truth or dare game.

jamatthews
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:57 PM
The "reverse a hand"?

Maybe they're just annoyed that Maria jumped on the Handwagon in Zurich...:devil:

shibster
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:59 PM
Iacobus: i fed that thru google translate. they had "eye of a hawk" that's a +1. but they translated backhand into "the misfortune of the hand". that is waaaay more hilarious.

give google translate a go to see what i mean. ;)