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radwanska
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:03 PM
She just seems to have come along in 04 and go will she be back[hope so.

cypher_88
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:06 PM
whats the point in starting such a thread? awkwardly enough there are enough threads about anastasia without the need of another one:sad:

Paneru
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:06 PM
While leaving out injury
and personal hardships.

Then again, it's always so
easy to kick a person when
they are down regardless. :D

Ryan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Tell me where else she has done well in apart from the french of 2004.And 2 quaters at wimbledon......................................... ....................She was a flash in the pan,we wont be ever seeing her at the top again.If you dont agree with me then fair enough, but i only think i am stating the facts of the matter.



If Myskina's only a fluke, then Radwanska's a never-been and never-will. :rolleyes:


I agree to a certain extent that she had one amazing tournament that catapulted her to the top, but she had been at the lower level of the top 10 for a while I believe, and only really "collapsed" after her loss to Justine at the Olympics. Not to mention that her mother was dying of cancer.

Anyway, even if she's ONLY won the French and made 2 Wimby Quarters, then I'd trade with her in a second.

Craigy
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Actually no shes not. She took advantage of a good draw. It's not her fault she's had injuries and not to mention everything she's went through with her mother. I'd like to a lot of other players cope with it :rolleyes:

Pasta-Na
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:15 PM
well, at least she got a G.S :angel:

Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:22 PM
i agree with ya to a point....but the nature of an individual is something quite malleable.....we dont know how strongly she will come back.....

we cannot underestimate the will of any player....

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:26 PM
That was her only time past the quarters at a major.
So there was luck involved.
It shows that majors are not created equal, as Federer can see when he plays Nadal at RG.

timafi
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:31 PM
give the chick a break(i'm not fan but she is out injured;so don't kick her while she's down at least she has won a Slam:mad: );some players can't even win a title:tape:

Kipling
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:34 PM
A "fluke"?

Wow.

Myskina won the first three matches she played against Sharapova, and had her down and on the verge of defeat again at the '04 WTA.

She nearly did, and should have beaten Henin at the Olympics in '04 AND at Eastbourne '06.

She has alot of talent. Unlike Dementieva, who seems content just to bash the ball back down the middle of the court, Myskina actually constructs points. Mentally--who knows? Maybe she has too many demons to play well on a consistent basis, but she has all of the physical tools that Hingis has ever had, and Martina wound up doing OK....

If Nastya had more power, she'd be top five for sure. I doubt we'll see her there again but I hope I'm wrong.

TheBoiledEgg
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Tell me where else she has done well in apart from the french of 2004.And 2 quaters at wimbledon......................................... ....................She was a flash in the pan,we wont be ever seeing her at the top again.If you dont agree with me then fair enough, but i only think i am stating the facts of the matter.People may say ''her mum was ill'' i know this may be hard for her but look at justine henin hardenne she lost her mum at a young age and she gritted her teeth and fought she didnt collapse and feel sorry for herself.

but you are an idiot, no doubt about that.

pancake
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:42 PM
If Myskina's only a fluke, then Radwanska's a never-been and never-will. :rolleyes:


I agree to a certain extent that she had one amazing tournament that catapulted her to the top, but she had been at the lower level of the top 10 for a while I believe, and only really "collapsed" after her loss to Justine at the Olympics. Not to mention that her mother was dying of cancer.

Anyway, even if she's ONLY won the French and made 2 Wimby Quarters, then I'd trade with her in a second.

Yes saying Myskina's only a fluke is definitely stupid BUT you don't have to attack other players:o...

MyskinaManiac
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Ok, Myskina seriously was NOT a fluke!!

Just a slight correction, yes Anastasia had made the quarters of two Wimbledons, however all you guys fail to recognize that she has made the quarters or better of EVERY single grand slam - the first russain woman to do this. Twice at the Australian open in consecutive years 2003- 2004 beaten by clijsters (eventual semi and finalist), Champion at the French 2004, twice Q's at wimbledon 2005-2006 beaten by Amelie (evetual Semis and champ) and a quarter final apperance at the US in 2003 defeated by Henin Hardenne (eventual champ). Also, she is a player that has won two tier I events and a swag of tier II's.

In addition, her rise to the top 20 was one of the fastest in the sport, she managed to climb from 50+ in the 2002 rankings to end the season at 11. That's no fluke.

When Myskina won the French, she basically played her way into form. She crushed not one, but two former wolrd number ones, a former champion and a former finalist both in straight sets.

If you look at Myskinas stats leading into the French, she actually cracked the top 5 and defended her Doha tournament and made the semis of Miami before the french.

Myskina is by all means no fluke... she just hasn't had the opportunity to play herself into form. On the grass she got this chance. I believe that had she'd of beaten Amelie in the Q's I believe we would have had her as our new Wimbledon champ. It was a close match... she didn't serve well, however, she basically enjoyed seeing Amelie come to the net as she was picking winners past her.

égalité
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:45 PM
Where else has she done well?

RG Champion 2004
AO Quarterfinals 2003
Wimbledon Quarterfinals 2005, 2006
San Diego (Tier I) Finals 2004
Moscow (Tier I) Champion 2003, 2004
Olympics Semifinals 2004
YEC Semifinals 2004
World No. 2 (2004)
And so on.

©@®eLess
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Leave my Nastya alone! How many players reached no.2 in the world. Very few. She done it fair and square...she's hving bad time now...but not everyone can stay on their top form all the time!

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:50 PM
Fluke sounds insulting, but it was unusual.
While Kim normally makes the semis or finals at RG, never winning it,
Nastya often loses in the first round in Paris.
So winning it stands out in her results.

I still think RG is the best major for Myskina, because Amelie and Maria, and before that, Williams and Davenport, have better results at the other majors.

hdfb
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:51 PM
People may say ''her mum was ill'' i know this may be hard for her but look at justine henin hardenne she lost her mum at a young age and she gritted her teeth and fought she didnt collapse and feel sorry for herself.

you fucking asshole. do you think everybody is the same? do you think every single human on the planet reacts to family tragedy's in the same way? honestly, what the fuck mate?

JHH lost her mum at a young age and she found it in her soul to dig deep, and more power to her. but that does not give you any right to use myskina's circumstances and the way she deals with it to condemn her for "only" winning one slam. the girl kept her silence for months, her results were terrible compared to what they were before, but while she was still lost spiritually, she tried to maintain balance in her life and showed up to tournaments, and it was not until many months later that she revealed the trouble she was having with her personal life.

i don't care whether or not you have ever lost a close person to you or not, but condemning myskina about the way she handled things is an insult that i am not willing to overlook. you, me, or anyone apart from Myskina herself and possibly her close family, will NEVER know what was REALLY going through her mind during her troubling times. and it certainly does not give ANYONE grounds to insult myskina like this.

and as much as i HATE to say this, i have to point out losing a mother when you are young as opposed to when you are a matured adult has very different impacts.

controlfreak
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:51 PM
you forgot the Fred Cup

controlfreak
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:52 PM
that was in response to Darkling's post by the way

Princeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:54 PM
you fucking asshole. do you think everybody is the same? do you think every single human on the planet reacts to family tragedy's in the same way? honestly, what the fuck mate?

JHH lost her mum at a young age and she found it in her soul to dig deep, and more power to her. but that does not give you any right to use myskina's circumstances and the way she deals with it to condemn her for "only" winning one slam. the girl kept her silence for months, her results were terrible compared to what they were before, but while she was still lost spiritually, she tried to maintain balance in her life and showed up to tournaments, and it was not until many months later that she revealed the trouble she was having with her personal life.

i don't care whether or not you have ever lost a close person to you or not, but condemning myskina about the way she handled things is an insult that i am not willing to overlook. you, me, or anyone apart from Myskina herself and possibly her close family, will NEVER know what was REALLY going through her mind during her troubling times. and it certainly does not give ANYONE grounds to insult myskina like this.

and as much as i HATE to say this, i have to point out losing a mother when you are young as opposed to when you are a matured adult has very different impacts.

:worship: true i agree

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:54 PM
What is a fluke?
It's not like she's come out of nowhere to win Roland Garros.
In 2002-2004 she played 13 Tour finals:
Won (8): Roland Garros 2004; Tier I - Moscow 2003, Moscow 2004; Tier II - Bahia 2002, Leipzig 2003, Doha 2004; Tier III - Doha 2003; Tier IV - Sarasota 2003
Rup (5): Tier I - San Diego 2004; Tier II - Eastbourne 2002, Leipzig 2002, Philadelphia 2003; Tier III - Birmingham 2002.

She has performed extremely consistent since USO 2003:

QF at USO-2003 (lost to Henin)
Won Leipzig (d. Clijsters and Henin)
Won Moscow (d. Mauresmo)
R-up in Philadelphia (l. to Mauresmo)
At YEC she lost very close three-setters to Henin and Capriati
In 2004:
QF in Sydney (lost to Mauresmo)
QF at Australian Open (lost to Clijsters)
QF in Dubai
Won Doha (d. Capriati and Kuznetsova)
SF in Indian Wells (l. to Henin)
QF in Berlin (l. to Capriati)
Early loss in Rome
Won RG (d. Molik, Kuznetsova, Venus, Capriati, Dementieva)
3rd round at Wimbledon (lost to Frazier despite leading 64 42)
Rup in San Diego (d. Sharapova and Zvonareva, lost to Davenport)
SF in Montreal
SF in Sopot (withdrew)
SF at Olympics

So during that 12-month span Myskina
Won (4): Roland Garros, Tier I - Moscow, Tier II - Leipzig, Doha
Rup (2): Tier I - San Diego, Tier II - Philadelphia
SF (4): Olympics, Tier I - Indian Wells, Montreal, Tier III - Sopot
QF (5) : US Open, Australian Open, Tier I - Berlin, Tier II - Sydney, Dubai

Had she made it to the QF at US Open 2004 she could have reached No.1 in the rankings after the tournament.

Shonami Slam
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:56 PM
what else has she done? from the top of my head - Finals on all Major surfaces in a single season (outdoor hard, Grass and red clay).
beat grand slam champions such as Capriati, Venus, Henin, Clijsters, Mauresmo, Davenport, Sharapova, Hingis, Kuznetsova, Majoli and more
fed cup champ, multiple TierI Champ, succesful doubles player winning 5 titles and playing fairly at the slams.
she reached the QF at all slams, she's been up to #2 at peak, alot of russian landmarks (winner of first all russian final in doha, winner of first all russian grand slam at RG, to name a couple)
she's one heck of a player, even though her best wasn't enough for all time greatness.
still, you're certianly unaware of her career if you claim her to be a fluke completly - her slam win, however - might have come at prime luck.

and as for her reaction to her personal issues in comparison with henin's reactions to her - completly idiotic. people respond differently to different things. you can't jusge Myskina by the more "couragous" way henin did - retiring from tennis would have been just as acceptable, as with any other reaction. you can't tell, and you can't judge.

raquel
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:01 PM
Tell me where else she has done well in apart from the french of 2004.And 2 quaters at wimbledon..australia..and one at the usopen. 2 moscows and montreal final in 04................................................ ........
To me what Myskina has done since RG 2004 does not change the fact she deserved her win at RG. For those two weeks she was the better player. She did what she had to in order to beat the people put in front of her and was the last one standing so it was no fluke she won that event.

Kimster
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Myskina is definitely NOT a fluke.

Her Roland Garros title was, but Nastya as a person as well as a player, most certainly NOT!!!! :(

frenchie
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:32 PM
Nastya is not a fluke at all!!!! No need to argue.:rolleyes:
She won a Slam, which is the best accomplishment in tennis. She'll always be remember as a GS champion.

And I hope she makes it to the HOF so she can shut you shitty mouth!!:fiery: :fiery:

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:06 PM
She'll also be remembered as the first Russian to win a major.
There will be a lot of them, but Nastya will always be the first.

UpskirtFan
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:20 PM
What??? Myskina´s got the flue??? Sorry, I´ve got bad ears! (Just kidding...) :haha:

MyskinaManiac
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:27 PM
She'll always go down as "the leader" of the Russian tennis revolution. In 2004, there were very few players that could have taken her down. Just think, she had wins over Venus, Kuztensova, Capriati, Davenort and Elena D. All solid top ten players at the time and all at the top of the wta by virtue of the belgians injuries.

Myskina and other players have always said that whilst westerners view Sharapovaa as a goddess and the best Russian, in Russia however, it is Myskina who is seen in that light.

Lets forget Sharapova... because she was trained in an advantaged tennis facility and compare Myskina to other Russian women. So hard to say that she's not the best Russian since.

Maxmiffed
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:34 PM
MyskinaManiac is a FLUKE too!! :baby: :silly:

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
from
Cecilia


:hearts: Golovin :hearts: - :hearts: Dani :hearts: - :hearts: Sofia :hearts: - :hearts: Gajdosova :hearts: - :hearts: Myskina :hearts: - :hearts: Vaidisova :hearts:

MyskinaManiac
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:39 PM
I am? I rarely liken myself to some form of an epiphany... but if you say so O'miffed one

Beny
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:42 PM
Nastya won a GS. The topic is closed:p

Maxmiffed
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:04 PM
If you want to understand Anastasia Myskina try to read this article, please:

Grand Slam glory came too soon for Russia´s Myskina
3/1/2006
RR/The Peninsula


DOHA: Anastasia Myskina, one of six Russian players in the world top-20, believes her only Grand Slam glory at the French Open 2004 was one moment of global reckoning she was not quite ready for.

Myskina, who is seeking her third title at the US $600,000 Qatar Open, was honest enough to admit that her triumph at the Roland Garros two years ago came too soon for a player still trying to find her feet at the international level.

"Things happened so suddenly. My whole life changed after I won the French Open in 2004. I realised that, all of a sudden, I have become so famous, people coming up for handshakes and pictures. The fact that I was becoming popular was okay, but for a young person like me, things were happening too fast," Myskina revealed yesterday.

"Soon after the French Open triumph, I was in the newspapers everyday. With me becoming popular, expectations of fans went up as well. All of a sudden I was expected to win every event I took part in or reach the final at least," recalled the Russian, who has not won a WTA Tour title since January last year.

"The expectations of the fans and the global attention became too much for me. I couldn´t handle the pressure associated with fame and success," said Myskina.

The Russian wondered how England football captain David Beckham handles the media glare and the public attention so well. "I sometimes wonder how Beckham copes with the attention that he gets all the time. How does he manage himself in front of such public adulation or media focus," asked the Russian.

Despite the public pressure and the media frenzy following her Roland Garros triumph, Myskina said the happenings of 2004 for good for Russian tennis. "That year, not only I but Maria Sharapova and Svetlana Kuznetsova also won Grand Slams. In all, three Russians won three of the four Grand Slam titles. That made tennis a huge sport at home. That is still the case and I am happy about it," Myskina said, who has 10 titles to her credit.

"I think Russian tennis is looking up and our players can win more Grand Slams. The Russian players are trying hard to win more Slams," Myskina, who plays her first match in Doha today, said yesterday.

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I think Nastya has great points in her words.

:kiss: :kiss: :kiss:
from
Cecilia

Wayn77
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Fluke - I don't think so.

Winning any kind of slam takes skill, guts and shit-loads of practise and sweat. Come back firing in 2007 Nastya.

The Daviator
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Hardly a fluke, actually one of the most impressive Slam runs in recent years, in her 7 wins, she beat Molik, Kuznetsova, Venus, Capriati and Dementieva...

The loss in Athens and her mother's health have hampered her, but she, along with Davenport and Sharapova, was the player of 2004, she didn't just have two good weeks in Paris...

the cat
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:06 PM
If Myskina was a fluke then she could fluke her way all the way to the International Tennis Hall of Fame in Newport, Rhode Island. ;) Winning Russia's first women's grand slam singles title, being ITF Player of the Year in 2004 and leading Russia to their first 2 Fed Cup titles in 2005 and 2005 are her 3 greatest credentials as a tennis player. There are lesser players than Myskina in the Hall of Fame.

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:22 PM
It seems like the HOF is letting in players with 1 major.
I wonder if Lena will get in with 2 slam finals.

jazar
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:37 PM
she wasnt a fluke but she wont be coming back to the top of the game. i think for the last two years she has been riding the success of winning RG just like players such as gaston gaudio have done in the mens game.
myskina is weak mentally and hits the ball too soft for her to challenge the top players now

Derek.
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:24 PM
Nastya was no fluke.

She played brilliant tennis in 2004.

She lost focus in 2005 because she was worried about her mother, therefore she lost confidence and it's not easy to get your confidence back.

the cat
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:31 PM
Goldenlox, I don't think Elena Dementieva can make the International Tennis Hall of Fame without winning a grand slam singles title. That would be hard to do.

IceHock
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:42 PM
That was her only time past the quarters at a major.
So there was luck involved.
It shows that majors are not created equal, as Federer can see when he plays Nadal at RG.


Luck???? I didn't know having Venus Williams and Jennifer Capriatiin your draw was considered lucky.

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:59 PM
Myskina beat a good field. Not only Venus and Jennifer, also Sveta and Lena.
And Molik in round 1.
It's just that in the rest of her career, she's won very few matches at the FO.

selyoink
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:15 AM
I would rarely consider someone who wins a grandslam a fluke though I probably would say Gaston Gaudio winning a slam was fluke.

Just because she sucks now doesn't mean she always sucked. So don't judge a player based off their current form.

Wayn77
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:18 AM
I would rarely consider someone who wins a grandslam a fluke though I probably would say Gaston Gaudio winning a slam was fluke.

Just because she sucks now doesn't mean she always sucked. So don't judge a player based off their current form.

I wouldn't say she ever sucked. It was only 6 months ago she was competing rather convincingly in a final against Henin ON GRASS.

selyoink
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I wouldn't say she ever sucked. It was only 6 months ago she was competing rather convincingly in a final against Henin ON GRASS.

Well she was good during the grass court season. She was pretty mediocre the rest of the year.

The Daviator
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I wouldn't say she ever sucked. It was only 6 months ago she was competing rather convincingly in a final against Henin ON GRASS.

Yeah, she was twice up a break in the final set :( Nastya :sad:

AnnaK_4ever
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:32 AM
If there were more grass court and carpet tournaments Myskina would be still in Top 10... :sad:

goldenlox
Nov 14th, 2006, 01:42 AM
Myskina can play on any surface. Grass isn't the reason she's out of the top 10.

ctan88
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:21 AM
Well, no matter what anyone says, the fans will always stick up for MYSKINA, thats for sure!

Jeff
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:37 AM
It's amazing what people decide to write when they are bored and have nothing better to do or nothing better to say. Just a random comment talking out your @ss.

IceSkaTennisFan
Nov 14th, 2006, 02:41 AM
She just seems to have come along in 04 and go will she be back[hope so.
Give the girl a break. I'm not a fan of hers, but she's obviously had major changes in her personal life lately and it probably wouldn't be wise to make any assumptions about her future based on this time in her career.

égalité
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:04 AM
Oh yes, she pretty much single-handedly won the Fed Cup for Russia.

Ben.
Nov 14th, 2006, 04:26 AM
myskina is no fluke by no means. look what's she's achieved & how she's done it. the other thousands of players that r in the rankings couldn't achieve what she has done & so therefore she is unique 2 the game. give her credit where's credits due.

radwanska, that thread was pointless. shitstirrer.

spencercarlos
Nov 14th, 2006, 07:20 AM
Actually no shes not. She took advantage of a good draw. It's not her fault she's had injuries and not to mention everything she's went through with her mother. I'd like to a lot of other players cope with it :rolleyes:
Actually she had avery tough draw at Roland Garros 2004, but the players she faced in the late stages happened to play the worst. Kuznetsova choked the match away, Venus made plus 40 errors in two sets, Jennifer made around 30, and Dementieva similar numbers.

But i have to say she had a bunch of nice events, not only RG 2004.