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pigam
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:24 AM
Hi,

Please don't close this one.
I can't believe I goodrepped some Justine fans in the past. I feel ashamed by it now.

Let me just use this thread to say how disgusted I am by some of the comments made in that thread (beautifully) started by Swami Marjory. It started off beautifully, but the symphony of dirt that followed afterwards was simply sickening. It would make even a devil like Justine ashamed to have them as her fans.

Yes, this deserves a NEW thread. For all decent polite fans of Justine to express their real sympathy because they're too ashamed to do so in that other thread.

congrats Justine and amelie on a great year.

Lady
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:37 AM
Ok, now you scare me. ;) I haven't checked out the "other thread". Don't read that stuff usually. ;)

moby
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:42 AM
Great thread, pigam. Congrats to Justine and Amelie for showing the tennis world what you are capable of.

I understand that some Justine fans are perhaps a little over-excited about yesterday's win, but there's no need to rub it into everyone's faces and engage in mudslinging. Like every other Justine fan, I'm elated that she got one back on Amelie.

But I know the next time they play will be a new chapter in their fledging and hopefully long-lasting rivalry, and there's no guarantee that Justine will always be the winner. They are both far too talented to let the other figure out a formulaic solution for victory. So unless we want to foster an environment of unfriendliness, with arrogant demeaning threads after every victory (and that goes for all fan bases) ... it's always good to practise a little humility.

Let's hope that they will push each other to greater heights.

Ben.
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:50 AM
yeah well said pigam. justine deserves better.

Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:54 AM
boah...what happened in that other thread?!?

Lady
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:03 AM
Ok, now I blame you, pigam, for making me read that thread. :p
Off course one page was enough and I got out of it as soon as possible.

I'm sure many good posters here know that not all Ju fans alike, and most of Amelie fans are pretty classy themselves, so in the end I still believe we can have a healthy respect for each other and our faves.

Both Amelie and Justine played some great tennis this year, and their h2hs now are 6-6 which more then proves that any of them can be the winner on any day.

I could never understand the desire to put others down, especially when your fave is on a winning side. Isn't just being happy for your fave enough?
But in the end everyone has it's own way to express themselves on this board, I realized it and moved on. ;)

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:08 AM
:worship:

rottweily
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:10 AM
Well said. Congratulations to all the players of the WTA for whatever they have achieved within their possibilities in 2006.

Greenout
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:23 AM
It's brilliant - womens tennis now. The quality of matches at Madrid this week made headlines in Spanish papers. It's like they all discovered this secret- the WTA is exciting filled with ambitious great players with sublime technique.

I think they sort of stole the thunder of the ATP in Shanghai. There's no race for #1 or real rivalries there.

I'm glad there's an Amelie, Kim, Maria, Sveta, Nadia and a Hingis for Justine to play against. Great players need each other to be lifted to bigger heights.

wateva
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:33 AM
nice to see a gathering of good justine fans here.
some fans just get overboard with their comments. :o

Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:40 AM
nice to see a gathering of good justine fans here.
some fans just get overboard with their comments. :o


do u remember an altercation with a certain someone once....

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:21 AM
I don't like Hardenne althought she is atm the best player in the world and that lasts already 2 1/2 years if she's fit.

faste5683
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Great post, pigham. I was cringing while reading that thread. Overly rabid Juju fans should take a deep look at themselves and realize what resentment they cause by such antagonistic behaviour...

:wavey:

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:30 AM
Well done JHH, 2006 Year End #1, YEC Champion, All Slam Finalist, RG Champion, holder of the best match record in 2006 at 61-8 and bragging rights for the most titles in 2006. JHH dominated women's tennis in 2006.

There is no doubt in my mind that JHH is the Player Of The Year.

Acknowledgements to Ame and Pova who proved to be excellent foils for JHH during 2006 and whose accomplishments were also spectacular and personal bests for each.

Looking forward to 2007, lets all hope the injury bug takes a year off so that all the girls in the WTA can compete near their highest levels throughout. The WTA rocked in 2006 and the YEC was just amazing, thrilling, exciting, dramatic and entertaining in Madrid and played for high stakes. Women's tennis is where the action is.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:32 AM
boah...what happened in that other thread?!?

World War III between Swami and Justine Fan (The Justine Alliance) vs others in the forum (The "Others" Alliance). :lol:

Well, I can't wait for next year... with Justine, Amelie and Sharapova being the best 3 players in the world right now, coupled with Serena and Venus' return, Kim's last swansong and the emergence of Nicole and Jelena, it would be a fight to the end for the Slams next year.

And do expect fireworks :drool:

By the way, here's to a great year, Justine! :kiss:

P.S: I saw this in the other post, but I don't get the meaning. Can someone tell me what is it about?

http://www.algorithm.cs.sunysb.edu/heatmap/pictures/PERSON/Serena%20Williams.gif

Ben.
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:36 AM
we do have some passionate justine fans that do go overboard over an issue that isn't the size of a nuclear bomb combined with the haters. so expect it at times.

Asif_Nawaz
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:08 AM
Great Thread,Pigam!!Some of the comments made by the people in that thread were horrendously disgusting and harsh.Justine haters struck first,then Justine Fan and Swami Marjorie countered those comments with the same slander.Most oft he Amelie fans even like Justine,and those who don't are even decent and civil.

Yasmine
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Great Thread,Pigam!!Some of the comments made by the people in that thread were horrendously disgusting and harsh.Justine haters struck first,then Justine Fan and Swami Marjorie countered those comments with the same slander.Most oft he Amelie fans even like Justine,and those who don't are even decent and civil.
exactly;) I understand how some people can't help but react strongly when you read such insanities about your faves :tape: (being an Amélie fan, I know all about it...) but that shouldn't let ruin your joy. Justine had the best year and all those haters are probably frustrated their faves will never ever even dream to achieve even half of what Justine has. They're not worth the fight believe me...
I'm no fan but well done to her, and her fans just enjoy it!:bounce:

kabkab
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:35 AM
Go JuJu!

What a great match! Very happy to see her end the year with a win in a final.. :lol: :lol:

Great year for all the players. 2006 is one to remember. :)

spencercarlos
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:35 AM
World War III between Swami and Justine Fan (The Justine Alliance) vs others in the forum (The "Others" Alliance). :lol:

Well, I can't wait for next year... with Justine, Amelie and Sharapova being the best 3 players in the world right now, coupled with Serena and Venus' return, Kim's last swansong and the emergence of Nicole and Jelena, it would be a fight to the end for the Slams next year.

And do expect fireworks :drool:

By the way, here's to a great year, Justine! :kiss:

P.S: I saw this in the other post, but I don't get the meaning. Can someone tell me what is it about?

http://www.algorithm.cs.sunysb.edu/heatmap/pictures/PERSON/Serena%20Williams.gif
Thanks god :p i was afraid to ask, i though it had an obvious meaning :lol:
;) Anyone as the point of it?

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:51 AM
Justine Fan and Swami Marjorie desrve recognition for facing down the Loathers. Well done Justine Fan ans Swami Marjorie!!!

I would also like to add that the vicious abuse of JHH's AO retirement by commentators was fostered by the McEnroe brothers and Mary Carillo in the USA. I was horrified by their comments and the brutality with which Carillo stomped on MJF when she suggested JHH may have had cause to retire. After all, the McEnroe's and Carillo had a sensational story with which to build their yellow journalistic careers in bashing tennis and the players, especially the women. Then they wonder why tennis is dead in the USA?

Sadly, this was only the start of their character assassinations for the year. There ought to be someone to stick up for the players, the WTA and USTA must be truly gutless organizations to allow this crap to continue!

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:06 PM
Some few in the general population of the world, but whom are over represented on this board, would consider this an honor, however the nominee I have in mind will, no doubt, consider this nomination among the treasures of an otherwise desolate life:

I hereby Move to nominate EMPRESSjaylene for the Mary Carillo Sensitivity Award for the day.

Is there a second to the motion?

pigam
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:25 PM
Justine Fan and Swami Marjorie desrve recognition for facing down the Loathers. Well done Justine Fan ans Swami Marjorie!!!

I would also like to add that the vicious abuse of JHH's AO retirement by commentators was fostered by the McEnroe brothers and Mary Carillo in the USA. I was horrified by their comments and the brutality with which Carillo stomped on MJF when she suggested JHH may have had cause to retire. After all, the McEnroe's and Carillo had a sensational story with which to build their yellow journalistic careers in bashing tennis and the players, especially the women. Then they wonder why tennis is dead in the USA?

Sadly, this was only the start of their character assassinations for the year. There ought to be someone to stick up for the players, the WTA and USTA must be truly gutless organizations to allow this crap to continue!

I have no problem with WHAT swami marjorie said in it's initial post. at all. I agree. I have no problem with defending your fav (in my case: Justine) I have done it a lot before, trust me.

I do, however have a problem with doing so by personal VERY degrading attacks. i don't care if it's because of "self defense". there are certain broders I don't wnat to see crossed, not even on a message board.
And this thread, is inteded to show that some Justine fans (ME in particular) want to take distance from what happened and was said in that thread. It was sickening (from both sides). But the "Justine side" dissapointed me, very much. Justine deserves better. and I as a fellow "fan" feel insulted.

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:29 PM
WTF??? Which other thread?

sorry but i came from school an hour ago and I have no idea what happened here.
anyone explain to me? please??

Joana
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:29 PM
I don't (want to) know what happened in the other thread, but I still agree with pigam. :p

pigam
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:30 PM
WTF??? Which other thread?

sorry but i came from school an hour ago and I have no idea what happened here.
anyone explain to me? please??

thread that was closed (second page, something about Lynching. enjoy :rolleyes: )

kabuki
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:32 PM
Re: The other thread- Shit slinging invariably ends up with everyone smelling like shit.

Congrats to JHH, congrats to AM, and nice thread Pigam.

Mercury Rising
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:43 PM
I have no problem with WHAT swami marjorie said in it's initial post. at all. I agree. I have no problem with defending your fav (in my case: Justine) I have done it a lot before, trust me.

I do, however have a problem with doing so by personal VERY degrading attacks. i don't care if it's because of "self defense". there are certain broders I don't wnat to see crossed, not even on a message board.
And this thread, is inteded to show that some Justine fans (ME in particular) want to take distance from what happened and was said in that thread. It was sickening (from both sides). But the "Justine side" dissapointed me, very much. Justine deserves better. and I as a fellow "fan" feel insulted.I underline this statement, great thread Pigam.

And :worship: @ Justine's great year.

auntie janie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:44 PM
I didn't read the other thread, beyond the first, thoughtful post. But it sounds like it deteriorated into the kind of cesspool that sickens me on this board fairly often.

I am a HUGE Justine fan; she's my favorite player by a long shot, and has been ever since she took over that spot from Monica in about 2000.

But I love Amélie, too, and I respect her no end. And guess what, I really like Lindsay, Elena D., Kim, and yep, Serena and Venus, too. So maybe I'm different from a lot of fans on this board, but I'm sure there are plenty of others like me.

Amélie had a fantastic year and fans of the game of tennis have to have enjoyed the sight of watching her finally be able to realize her full potential on the court. She's a beautiful player and I think a pretty beautiful person, too.

It's a shame that people can't seem to get a few simple concepts through their heads:

1- Tennis is JUST A SPORT. The athletes who play it are JUST ATHLETES; they are not goddesses; NONE of them is a perfect human being, or ever will be, any more than we are. If you get so worked up with hatred about any player or any incident in the game, you really need to step back and look into yourself and see where the imbalance is.

2- We DO NOT KNOW THESE PEOPLE! They are STRANGERS to all of us, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise. People are projecting good and bad onto these players right and left, trying to make tennis into some sort of morality play. Again, when you do this, it says FAR more about you than it does about the players you are trashing or exalting.

And that's one person's point of view; you can take it or leave it, as you can take or leave all the good and the bad that appears on this board every day. :kiss:

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:52 PM
stavroula's avatar is fun! JHH was really hilarious saying it was a "decoration" for which she got to "choose the color". Talk about laughing out loud!!! That was the quote of the year - another title for JHH in 2006!

Ok, pigam, I understand what you are saying to a point. As explanation: I am a PovaPartisan and enjoy celebrating or comiserating with fellow PovaPartisans depending on whether Pova wins or loses. But I cannot recall a single thread in GM where the PovaLoathers didn't invade with vile, hateful spews and rants for the sole purpose of degrading a tennis player and her accomplishments.

I cannot understand the motivation of Loathers in general. Fans should be able to support their players without abuse. If Loathers want to start their own threads and pound away - ok, I can live with that, but won't participate. There is no reason for them to enter and destroy support threads. It's unreasonable to expect people not to respond.

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:56 PM
OMG! I was away for few hours and you guys messed it up with one thread!!
aahhh! Poor Justine :hug:

that thread is... eeewww! :mad: :mad:

pigam
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:57 PM
It's unreasonable to expect people not to respond.

maybe, but you can "respond" by being witty, polite, intelligent and even by simply ignoring. You don't have to stoop down to "their level". All I'm saying.

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:17 PM
2006 has been a great comeback year for JHH. Her first year back full time on the tour since her amazing performance in 2003 when she laid down a match record of 75-11, won two slams (RG and USO) and toppled Serena from the top of the ranks. Then injuries wiped them both out for much of 2004 and 2005.

2007 should be a tremendous year for women's tennis. Can't hardly wait.

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM
alright! True fans know that everything has to do with tennis.
They know how to respect every single player and even if something is wrong with their fave they have the guts to say:" yes that's wrong but this doesnt mean that I admire her/him less!!"
anyway, I'm dissappointed with few posters but I wont let them ruin my wonderfull feelings about JuJu! :hearts:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:37 PM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Content_Boxes/Homepage_Featured/2006_11_12_Henin_main.jpg
2006 Year-End Champion and 2006 Year-End #1 Player, Justine Henin-Hardenne



http://i.eurosport.com/2006/07/07/294006-1253163-317-238.jpg
2006 WTA #3 Ranked Amelie Mauresmo and 2006 WTA #1 Ranked Justine Henin-Hardenne


I needed to get this off my chest, because I felt as though it needed to be said.

Now that the 2006 WTA Season is complete and the women have let their racquets speak for themselves, I think it is very appropriate to revisit the lynching of Justine Henin-Hardenne in January 2006 and her reply to the tennis world this season.

Never before in the Open Era has any player recieved such criticism over an injury withdrawl from a Grand Slam tournament as Justine Henin-Hardenne did at the 2006 Australian Open Finals. She was ingesting anti-inflammatory medication for a shoulder injury when she began cramping during the AO finals. Justine retired during that match because she couldn't distinguish between the cramping from the medication she was taking, or an abdominal injury.

As a result, she was overly and harshly criticized by other WTA players, the sports media, tennis columnists and commentators. It was a modern-day lynching of a tennis player that was steadfast in her defense, which she believed.

Some said she retired because she knew she was losing badly, completely ignoring the fact that Justine is the biggest fighter in the WTA. Some said she was attempting to "take away Amelie's moment" of winning her first grand slam title, ignoring the fact Justine had never before or since retired from a Grand Slam final. Some even said as a result of her withdrawl during the AO final, Justine would never again be able to win a Grand Slam tournament, that she would be mentally beaten by her withdrawl, ignoring Justine's canny ability to fight back from a virus, the death of her mother and reptitive injuries.

Justine's response? The truth. And if Justine wasn't being honest about her withdrawl, she might well have been mentally beaten, to the point of not being able to perform well in the majors and other tournaments. However, Justine didn't fight back with words, she used her racquet.

The next grand slam tournament, French Open, she won without dropping a set, and put her in a position to be only the third woman in tennis history to win three French Open Championships in a row. Her win even prompted an apology from Pam Shriver who questioned Justine's withdrawl from the AO finals. Her critics said it was to be expected that Justine would win on a slower surface. She brought children battling cancer that participated in her Circle of Winners to watch her in that final, and the upcoming Wimbledon Championships.

Next, she made it to the finals of Wimbledon, of which she lost once again to Amelie, but it was 6-4 in the third. Many said Justine couldn't play well on a fast surface. She once again proved them wrong by winning a grass-court tune up to Wimbledon.

Then, she makes it to the finals of the US Open, a fast hardcourt tournament and was soundly defeated by Maria.

Justine made it to the finals of all four Grand Slam tournaments, winning one. She made it to the finals of Fed Cup, winning all of her indoor matches. She won on all four surfaces, including the YEC of which she soundly defeated Amelie and regained the #1 ranking. She had the best record of any player, won more tournaments than any other WTA player and became the first player since Seles to make it to the finals of all GS tournaments and the YEC.

It is obvious that Justine sent a strong message to the tennis world and all that cruely admonished her in January of 2006. She is not only the best fighter in the WTA, but ended the year the best player in the WTA and the YEC, defeating the woman whose GS final in January stirred animosity towards Justine.

It always appeared as if Justine was out to prove something this year. Not only to herself, but to the tennis world that easily and without a thought, attempted to cast her into the depths of tennis hell. She did this without negatively talking about it...rather, she used her tennis to prove otherwise.

Not only did Justine throw every word of negativity about her in Janurary back in the faces of the tennis world, but used their negativity to rise to the top of the tennis world and #1 ranking for 2006. Not only did she prove that she was the best in 2006, but that she isn't going away anytime soon.

The irony is startling. Justine had the last laugh. And so did her fans

shibster
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:40 PM
good call pigam. so did i go overboard :confused: i hope i did not. i did stop at another thread, erm, pretty soon. cos i realised that people didn't quite dig my sarcasm/irony too well.

if i did go overboard, i do apologise. my only excuse/defense was that i was kinda irritated by the overwhelming number or responses that we should count # of slams to determine rankings, and no rhetoric and commonsense could put that straight.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Be careful Marjorie ... you're in the bad books as well as me :spit: :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:43 PM
Justine Fan and Swami Marjorie desrve recognition for facing down the Loathers. Well done Justine Fan ans Swami Marjorie!!!

I would also like to add that the vicious abuse of JHH's AO retirement by commentators was fostered by the McEnroe brothers and Mary Carillo in the USA. I was horrified by their comments and the brutality with which Carillo stomped on MJF when she suggested JHH may have had cause to retire. After all, the McEnroe's and Carillo had a sensational story with which to build their yellow journalistic careers in bashing tennis and the players, especially the women. Then they wonder why tennis is dead in the USA?

Sadly, this was only the start of their character assassinations for the year. There ought to be someone to stick up for the players, the WTA and USTA must be truly gutless organizations to allow this crap to continue!

The only tennis commentator to apologize to JHH was Pam Shriver after Justine made it to the French Open Finals. And she did it publicly.

Mary Carillo has never been a humble human being or had the decency to apologize when it is appropriate. Because that might mean she was wrong, and she's not a big enough person to admit that.

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM
MJF said at the time it was happening that the player's decisions on the court had to be respected.

shibster
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:53 PM
i don't think we could/should have any constructive discussion about american tv commentators.

i'm at the stage where i do hesitate to mute the tv, but decide against so cos i want to hear justine shouting allez. i tend to get agitated, but then i will have a good laugh about it. because it's just a fine display of stupidity misconstrued as intelligence.

i pretty much conclude that the dismal level of commentary, treating audience like retards (flashing that info slide about the challenge system all too often), and also commentary that lacks commitment towards truthfulness, is the downfall of failing to cultivate a tennis loving audience in the states.

it's their own undoing, but it's not ours to call.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:54 PM
Be careful Marjorie ... you're in the bad books as well as me :spit: :rolleyes:

Well, I think it speaks volumes that someone who passively sat by and watched Justine get lynched for the second time has any room to criticize others for defending her. Having been a fan and player of tennis for well over two decades, there are some things which are too important not to defend.

I'll never apologize for that. Ever.

Just as with other tennis fans, I've not always warmed to some Justine fan's in this forum. Particularly the one's that are overly zealous in attacking their own in this thread, while attempting to take the high road seperating themselves from the other thread. It just seems a little too contrived for my comfort level.

Attempting to divide and label Justine fans here "good Justine fans" vs "bad Justine fans" is about as nefarious as anything negative posted here about Justine herself. I equate that to "divide and conquer."

thrust
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:08 PM
What is it about Swarmi Marjorie^s post that was so horrible? Perhaps I did not read the one that has cause so much discussion?

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:22 PM
What is it about Swarmi Marjorie^s post that was so horrible? Perhaps I did not read the one that has cause so much discussion?

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=9479347&postcount=1

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:23 PM
I just hope that this thread wont be ruined :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:29 PM
I just hope that this thread wont be ruined :rolleyes:

Well, when you read the first post in this thread, it really welcomes argument....and quite possibly could be the epitome of a troll post.

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:33 PM
Should I say then :"Please dont ruin it?"

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:36 PM
Should I say then :"Please dont ruin it?"

Translation: Don't say anything or reply to criticism. Don't defend yourself, let them bash you for a while, because it will make them feel better.

As inflammatory as the lead post indicates, it was doomed before it ever had a chance. And I question whether the person or people that subscribe to that train of thought are really a fan of Justine's or not, by attempting label and divide her fan base in this forum. How much more trollish can you get than that?

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:41 PM
I think we'd better see first "how much true fans" we are, bcoz what I realised these days is that those who dislike her (if not hate her) seem to be turning into fans.

I'm disgusted with what that thread turned out to be

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Great thread. :)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Great thread. :)

Yeah, it has all the markers of being an all-time great. Let's go down the checklist and make sure all the elements are in place. Of course, we have to start with the lead post.

1. Them vs Us (check)
2. Good vs Evil (check)
3. Divide and conquer (check)
4. Narcassitic tendancies (check)
5. Contempt and disdain (check)
6. Welcomes negative comments (check)
7. A speck of conceitedness (check)

Yeah, just about every element is there. This one should be a doozy.

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Can you specify who is them and who is us?!

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:59 PM
Can you specify who is them and who is us?!

Ask the starter of the thread and few others after that initial post. They pretty much spell it out. In reality, they should have thought before hitting the "Submit Reply" button.

They really should be reminded of the saying, Practice What You Preach. How much more hypocritial can get?

Stavie
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM
baaahh im not gonna talk about it now.
No way.I'm so happy about My Queen that I wont let anything get me down.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM
baaahh im not gonna talk about it now.
No way.

It should have never been discussed here in the first place. When people attempt to divide fan bases, nothing good comes from it. Nothing.

Instead of creating a thread in GM and creating a public scene, it should have went to Private Message or discussed in Justine's forum. However, some people don't understand that type of decorum. They are only interested in their self-serving narcassicist tendencies.

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:21 PM
lmfao, it's NOT pigam or the "justine haters" that are dividing the Justine fan base, it's you :lol: And if you're concentrating on fan bases, you have actually completely missed the point (which isn't surprising though)

:wavey:

Nemesis
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:37 PM
Thank god I'm not the only one that is raising the eyebrows at the ethics of some Justine Fans. Defending your fav is OK, but not by attacking someone's other fav.

I already told a Justine Fan that I don't appreciate his ethics, but he sees me as a fake Ju fan. Bad reps, criticing me in the JH²HQ ...

All this time I thought other Ju fans tolerated that behaviour. So thanks pigam for this thread!

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM
lmfao, it's NOT pigam or the "justine haters" that are dividing the Justine fan base, it's you :lol: And if you're concentrating on fan bases, you have actually completely missed the point (which isn't surprising though)

:wavey:

Well, how completely impartial and objective.:rolleyes:

Starting a thread which attacks others is a troll post. Bottom line. And you seem to take some pride in that.

The person that started this thread, did so in an attempt to create negativity about others in the same fan base. And you support it.

That speaks more about your character than it does about anything negative you perceive of me.

griffin
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:41 PM
Congratulations to Justine on her YEC title, and on a great year.