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Andy T
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:33 AM
Best Performances in the Grand Slams and YEC by players in the post Court-King era.

(The Season-ending championships started in 1972, so King & Court, who won all 4 majors, couldn't play until very late in their careers).


Won all the 5 majors:
Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams

Won 4/5 and reached final of the 5th:
Evonne Goolagong (4 times finalist at US Open)
Monica Seles (once finalist at Wimbledon)
Martina Hingis (twice finalist at Roland Garros)
Justine Henin-Hardenne (twice finalist at Wimbledon)

Won 4/5
Lindsay Davenport

Won 3/5 and reached final of other two:
Hana Mandlikova (twice Wimbledon finalist, once YEC finalist)

Won 3/5
Virginia Wade
Amélie Mauresmo
Maria Sharapova

Won 2/5 and reached final of other 3
Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario

Won 2/5
Tracy Austin
Gabriela Sabatini
Jana Novotna
Mary Pierce
Venus Williams
Jennifer Capriati
Kim Clijsters


Won 1/5
Kerry Melville-Reid
Sue Barker
Mima Jausovec
Virginia Ruzici
Chris O'Neil
Barbara Jordan
Sylvia Hanika
Conchita Martinez
Iva Majoli
Anastasia Myskina
Svetlana Kuznetsova

hu2891601
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:00 AM
interesting!

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:49 PM
Don't forget that JUSTINE also has OLYMPIC GOLD MEDAL!

Craigy
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:54 PM
Yay Serena :p

alfajeffster
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:58 PM
With her sticking good volleys and coming in to the net for entire games, it's only a matter of time before she's got the Rosewater Dish in her trophy case. It was so great to see both girls playing serve-volley tennis at that level again! Congratulations Justine!

Viktymise
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:15 PM
Vee with only 2 of the 5 :o feels like shes won them all TBH :lol:

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:28 PM
You should include Olympic Gold!

so it should be six major accomplishment.

Serena19
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:29 PM
The main four far and away are the slams without a doubt.

Then the YECs are easily the 5th most important even in the WTA calendar but they aren't the 5th slam.

The Olympic Gold Medal is on a par with them I would say. It would be higher but it doesn't have the history and classics of the YECs.

But Justine is still as close as ever to her Career Golden Slam. Which is near but yet too far...

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:33 PM
The main four far and away are the slams without a doubt.

Then the YECs are easily the 5th most important even in the WTA calendar but they aren't the 5th slam.

The Olympic Gold Medal is on a par with them I would say. It would be higher but it doesn't have the history and classics of the YECs.

But Justine is still as close as ever to her Career Golden Slam. Which is near but yet too far...


Slams are slams!! there's no doubt about it, but as for me, Winning YEC if not harder(competing with only top 8) is as hard as winning a Slam.

I would still say they are all 6 MOST important tournaments and career accomplishment. 4 Slams+YEC+Olympic Gold

Dexter
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:37 PM
:rocker:

Dawn Marie
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:17 PM
The main four far and away are the slams without a doubt.

Then the YECs are easily the 5th most important even in the WTA calendar but they aren't the 5th slam.

The Olympic Gold Medal is on a par with them I would say. It would be higher but it doesn't have the history and classics of the YECs.

But Justine is still as close as ever to her Career Golden Slam. Which is near but yet too far...


I totally disagree. The Olympic Gold Medal is worth 100 YEC to any player playing on the WTA tour. It's above the YEC imho. If you listen to alot of the players they'll would LOVE to win the GOLD for their country. Justine has a gold medal with all her other slams. AMAZING!

Nicjac
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:32 PM
Well, winning gold at the Olympics is something really special. But one gets just one shot every four years. So, in a tennis career one might have the chance three times (if not the team captain makes some stupid choices as I remember BJK doing with regard to Lisa :shout: ).

What gets you in the HOF? I guess GS wins, but I am not sure. Regular GS wins are the bread and butter, Olympic gold is the perfect icing on the cake.

Hingiswinsthis
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:14 PM
how could you not take into account an Olympic Gold Medal?!

An Olympic Gold Medal in tennis puts you in a very special place, because it is the one event in tennis that relates it to all other sports in the World...and we all know the importance of the Olympic Games.

think about it:

to win a grand slam, you have to win 7 matches, but spread out over 2 weeks with the chance to play opponents from low to higher ranking as you progress.

to win the world championships at the end of the year, you must play 5 matches out of 6 days, but having to play at a constant high level all the time because of your peers belonging in your elite group.

but to win an Olympic Gold Medal like Justine did, you must play 6 days in one week and there would be a stretch where you play quarters, semis, and finals back to back.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Best Performances in the Grand Slams and YEC and OLYMPICS by players in the post Court-King era.


Won all the 6 majors: Steffi Graf

Won 5/6
Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, Serena Williams( All missing Olympic Gold)
Lindsay Davenport( missing RG)
Justine Henin Hardene( Missing WB)

Won 4/6
Evonne Goolagong (4 times finalist at US Open,Missing Olympics)
Monica Seles (once finalist at Wimbledon, missing Olympics)
Martina Hingis (twice finalist at Roland Garros, missing Olympics)


Won 3/6
Hana Mandlikova (twice Wimbledon finalist, once YEC finalist, Missing Olympics)
Virginia Wade
Amélie Mauresmo
Maria Sharapova
Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario
Jennifer Capriati
Venus Williams

Won 2/6
Tracy Austin
Gabriela Sabatini
Jana Novotna
Mary Pierce
Kim Clijsters


Won 1/6
Kerry Melville-Reid
Sue Barker
Mima Jausovec
Virginia Ruzici
Chris O'Neil
Barbara Jordan
Sylvia Hanika
Conchita Martinez
Iva Majoli
Anastasia Myskina
Svetlana Kuznetsova

Nicjac
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:27 PM
Best Performances in the Grand Slams and YEC and OLYMPICS by players in the post Court-King era.


Won all the 6 majors: None

Won 5/6
Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams( All missing Olympic Gold)

Well, in some respect Serena achieved Olympic gold already ;)

Hingiswinsthis
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Steffi Graf is the only won to have won all 6 majors...Justine's idol. The Belgian is only one away from reaching that amazing record.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Well, in some respect Serena achieved Olympic gold already ;)

talking about singles.

MistyGrey
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:38 PM
So Steffi's 88 Olympic Gold doesnt count? :confused: I knew that'd try to take that away from her as well :lol:

The Daviator
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:43 PM
Win RG Lindsay :o

MisterQ
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:49 PM
Steffi Graf is the only won to have won all 6 majors...Justine's idol. The Belgian is only one away from reaching that amazing record.

And her husband is the only man to have done it. What are the chances? :cool:

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Well, in some respect Serena achieved Olympic gold already ;)

Although nobody should really count or respect doubles because it's a nonsense competition for mediocre and older players, at the Olympics it's another thing, a Gold Medal is at the end a Gold Medal and one of the few good reasons for the elite to play doubles (other reason is team competition like Fed Cup).
Serena Williams has one and she could be seriously called Olympic Champion (nobody can say Wimbledon Champion about Hantuchova or Raymond without the hint, that they only won a minor competition)
Btw, there are so few opportunities to win this Gold. Good to have won.

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Won 5/6
Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova,

I have to veto against a list that gives the impression that great Navratilova or Evert didn't win every relevant thing in women's tennis multiple times.

These two women won everything, give them a 5/5* rating, if you want to make such a list.
They had no serious opportunity to compete in Olympics.
Although Navratilova tried it as she was already an old wo-man.

Andy T
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Kudos to all the women who have won Olympic Gold and I agree that it is probably worth more to them than any of the majors. The reason I left it out was nothing to do with any lack in stature but because tennis has only been in the Olympics since 1988. There was no Olympic Gold in 72, 76, 80 and 84 for the likes of Wade, Goolagong, Evert, Navratilova (who'd have been barred in 76 & 80 because of her defection anyway), Austin and Mandlikova to compete for. Just as I left out King and Court, two of the all-time greats from the Majors + YEC list, you'd have to leave out all those players born before the Steffi generation to have a fair list for Majors + Olympics + YEC.

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:21 PM
The reason I left it out was nothing to do with any lack in stature

Good thing, to leave it away. Including it would mean to damage the statistics.

Give this Henin, Davenport, Graf a bonus (maybe a litte *), but noone can't blame Evert for not winning it.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM
AT the end of the day,

Steffi, Jennifer,Lindsay,Venus and Justine have an Olympic Gold Medal in the record books to brag about and the history wont give a f*ckin care wether Olympics only started in 1988.

If you think about it, I think its easier to win a GS on the time before the Olympics started considering the few echanges of Slams between the former top players in 70's and 80's namely Navratilova,Evert, etc.... So its even!!!

Ryan
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Are you kidding me? The Olympic Gold might be the pinnacle of other sports, but it's not in tennis. I would put it behind a YEC because it only happens once every four years, it doesn't have an amazing field, and I just don't like it personally. ;) Anyway, I wouldn't include it in THIS list because it doesn't happen often enough to be considered part of the WTA Tour, and it didn't become an Olympic Sport until 1988!! Did Evert even play the Olympics then?

Brooklyn90
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Won all the 5 majors:
Chris Evert, Martina Navratilova, Steffi Graf, Serena Williams
true legends of the game:worship:

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:01 PM
I have to veto against a list that gives the impression that great Navratilova or Evert didn't win every relevant thing in women's tennis multiple times.

These two women won everything, give them a 5/5* rating, if you want to make such a list.
They had no serious opportunity to compete in Olympics.
Although Navratilova tried it as she was already an old wo-man.

It won't diminished their career achievements but the fact is, its still missing on their resume.

I won't take out the feather in the cap for Olympics Gold Medalist just beacuse some of the greatest tennis players was'nt able to have it.

Ryan
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:13 PM
It won't diminished their career achievements but the fact is, its still missing on their resume.

I won't take out the feather in the cap for Olympics Gold Medalist just beacuse some of the greatest tennis players was'nt able to have it.


Oh please. It's not harder to win the Olympics than it is to win a Tier 1. Just because it has the title 'Olympics' doesn't make it any more relevant for tennis. Athletes in other professsions compete and train for 4 years to win the Olympics, while tennis players dont even think about it until Wimbledon finishes.

flyingmachine
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:19 PM
Thanx Andy T for all these interesting sats. Anyway, I hope she will win Wimblendon to compete all 5majors soon.

QUEENLINDSAY
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:26 PM
Oh please. It's not harder to win the Olympics than it is to win a Tier 1. Just because it has the title 'Olympics' doesn't make it any more relevant for tennis. Athletes in other professsions compete and train for 4 years to win the Olympics, while tennis players dont even think about it until Wimbledon finishes.

Oh please!! Olympics is olympics!!
No body knows how much time you prepared and practice, whats in the record books is who won the Gold medal.

Also if you look at the olympic records, all Gold medalist are Multiple slam winners too, there i prove that Olympics is as hard as the slams to win.

Andy T
Nov 14th, 2006, 11:57 AM
Oh please!! Olympics is olympics!!
No body knows how much time you prepared and practice, whats in the record books is who won the Gold medal.

Also if you look at the olympic records, all Gold medalist are Multiple slam winners too, there i prove that Olympics is as hard as the slams to win.

imo, tennis should have been a co-ed team event from the beginning (are ya listening Billie Jean?) as that would be something special and different for players who are accustomed to competing alone and bring a largely individual sport a touch of the olympic spirit.

Greenout
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:02 PM
oh. You're only talking about career stats.

I was about to say... 5-5? I think she stopped growing at age 18, and not planning to reach 5 feet 8 in a few years time. ;)

Andy T
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:05 PM
oh. You're only talking about career stats.

I was about to say... 5-5? I think she stopped growing at age 18, and not planning to reach 5 feet 8 in a few years time. ;)

:lol:

saki
Nov 14th, 2006, 12:26 PM
imo, tennis should have been a co-ed team event from the beginning (are ya listening Billie Jean?) as that would be something special and different for players who are accustomed to competing alone and bring a largely individual sport a touch of the olympic spirit.

Oh, totally. I'd have liked to have seen something similar to the way that the gymnastics are judged - one medal for the best womens' player, one for the best male player, and one for the best team - done in a Hopman Cup style format.

-GenEz.Williams
Nov 14th, 2006, 03:06 PM
its great