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ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:14 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:15 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

since when has wimby been the biggest tourney of the year? all the slams are equally big :confused: (same number of points won etc...)

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:16 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

Nah.....I'll remember...... this post of yours above all that....

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:17 PM
since when has wimby been the biggest tourney of the year? all

the slams are equally big :confused: (same number of points won etc...)

lmao.. Same big? Ask tenins historians. Ask the public. Ask the players. Who cares about the points.. Points will be off your WTA account in 12 months time. Wimbledon crown is Forever.

DragonFlame
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:17 PM
:rolleyes: by non-tennisfans maybe, but the ones that are looking for legends, records, making history won't forget the incredible feet she made this year. + she ends the year no1. That's all i need to know.:) so your pathetic attempt at stirring crap up isn't really working.

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:17 PM
since when has wimby been the biggest tourney of the year? all the slams are equally big :confused: (same number of points won etc...)

:lol: Since when?.....since 1877

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:18 PM
Nah.....I'll remember...... this post of yours above all that....

Thank you. I feel truly honoured.:wavey:

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:20 PM
Thank you. I feel truly honoured.:wavey:

No probs :)

I can't believe that guy posted that the other slams are as big as Wimbledon :eek: :lol: :help:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:22 PM
lmao.. Same big? Ask tenins historians. Ask the public. Ask the players. Who cares about the points.. Points will be off your WTA account in 12 months time. Wimbledon crown is Forever.

You mean like Conchita Martinez's Wimby crown vs ASV's grand slam wins????

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:22 PM
I can't believe that guy posted that the other slams are as big as Wimbledon :eek: :lol: :help:


Some people did learn about tennis just a couple of weeks ago. You have to give them credit.. for trying hard to learn more and get rid of their ignorance. It takes time.

IceHock
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:24 PM
I really don't think Wimbledon should be the biggest tournament, I mean it's kind of boring cause there's no animosity, everyone is dressed in white, and there's not even equal pay.

Mightymirza
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:24 PM
Well since when did USO become more imp than French??

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:24 PM
You mean like Conchita Martinez's Wimby crown vs ASV's grand slam wins????

I mean Conchita Martinez Wimby crown vs Iva Majoli RG crown. ASV did win plenty. Stil, sure she'd throw off a couple of FOs for a W title.

Ceri
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:25 PM
*yawns*

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:25 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

Actually, Justine made history by making it to the finals of all four grand slam titles, Fed Cup final and winning the YEC, and putting herself in a position to become only the third woman in the history of tennis to win three consecutive French Open titles.

Tennis history keeps a list of everyone that ends the year at #1. Justine already appears on that list twice.

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:27 PM
Some people did learn about tennis just a couple of weeks ago. You have to give them credit.. for trying hard to learn more and get rid of their ignorance. It takes time.

It’s just as well there are posters like your good self…..to rid them of their tennis ignorance by posting challenging and intellectual threads/posts....I hope you have time and patience on the long road ahead....good luck:wavey: :)

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Well since when did USO become more imp than French??

Technically it probably is not. But ATPs pathetic RGs of recent years ( 2006 was an exception, of course ) did a big damage to tournament's reputation. But even for tennis fans.. I am watching RGs just as much as I watch USo. But if you ask me who won USO, say, in 2002, the answer will be instinctive - Sampras and Williams. But if you ask me who won RG in 2002, I have to admit, it takes me few seconds to recall.. Williams and .. hmmm .... hmmm ... more than few seconds, in fact, .. ok it must have been Costa..

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Actually, Justine made history by making it to the finals of all four grand slam titles, Fed Cup final and winning the YEC, and putting herself in a position to become only the third woman in the history of tennis to win three consecutive French Open titles.

Tennis history keeps a list of everyone that ends the year at #1. Justine already appears on that list twice.

Justine...the female Lendl

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Justine...the female Lendl

Well, being the only WTA player of her generation to win a grand slam title four years running kinda makes her critics look ridiculously stupid.

Why even go there when history is on Justine's side?

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:33 PM
Tennis history keeps a list of everyone that ends the year at #1. Justine already appears on that list twice.

What is "tennis history"? What is important is people memory.. Like in this century, Hingis must have finished one year at #1, Davenport probably did it twice.. Which years? It will take me an effort to recall, but one clue will help .. none of them won anything of significance in those years.. Who cares...

-Sonic-
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:33 PM
I dunno, it depends on what else happens in both their careers....

if amelie doesn't win another GS, they'll see it as a flash in the pan year for amelie, whereas the consistent GS winner justine picked up yet another one.

if amelie gets some more GS's, they'll see it as amelies year with justine picking up another clay court GS.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:36 PM
What is "tennis history"? What is important is people memory.. Like in this century, Hingis must have finished one year at #1, Davenport probably did it twice.. Which years? It will take me an effort to recall, but one clue will help .. none of them won anything of significance in those years.. Who cares...

And you are foolish enough to believe that in 50 years, people will likely remember a one-time Wimby champion vs a woman that ended the year twice as #1, an Olympic Gold medal, five + GS tournaments, who hasn't even finished her career with the strong possibility of winning more?????

You seem to forget that in both years Justine ended the year #1, she won at least one grand slam title during that calendar year.

So few women make it to the finals of all GS events in a calendar year that Justine made another historical list.

Me thinks you are in serious denial.

go hingis
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:40 PM
Slowly slowly Wimbledon's losing it's edge over the other slams and I think today winning a slam no matter which one, is what would be remembered.

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Some people did learn about tennis just a couple of weeks ago. You have to give them credit.. for trying hard to learn more and get rid of their ignorance. It takes time.

how the hell am i being ignorant?!

tennis fans should know that winning the french, us and australian opens is just as hard as winning wimbledon. if they dont know that then maybe they are the ones being ignorant

what i meant by saying that it is the 'same big' as you like to call it is that each slam holds the same difficulty.

and before you say "oh, the general public will remember people who won wimbledon", the vast majority of the general public wont know who the hell amelie mauresmo - and justine for that matter!

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:42 PM
Well, being the only WTA player of her generation to win a grand slam title four years running kinda makes her critics look ridiculously stupid.

Why even go there when history is on Justine's side?

I don’t know why you’re getting your panties in a twist. All I commented was that she’s the equivalent of a “female Lendl” and until she wins Wimbledon…..she’ll always carry this tag/baggage with her…for me personally Lendl was one of the greatest players never to have won a Wimbledon title

Tennis history?...this currently shows Justine has yet to gain a Wimbledon title...and this is what fans/players/coaches and Justine herself will remember and cite when her career is over and/if she hasn't won a Wimbledon title...when she's being compared to the elite

Justine Fan
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:43 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

FOAD :mad: EAT CROW :haha: :haha:

So what happened to your prediction that Justine wouldn't win this tournament because she's never won anything indoors before?

Mightymirza
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Technically it probably is not. But ATPs pathetic RGs of recent years ( 2006 was an exception, of course ) did a big damage to tournament's reputation. But even for tennis fans.. I am watching RGs just as much as I watch USo. But if you ask me who won USO, say, in 2002, the answer will be instinctive - Sampras and Williams. But if you ask me who won RG in 2002, I have to admit, it takes me few seconds to recall.. Williams and .. hmmm .... hmmm ... more than few seconds, in fact, .. ok it must have been Costa..

Well but everyone remembers when a great player has won FO!! You dotn remember whos FO champion because Costa isnt much popular!! But Must be remembering when Serena or Steffi or Justine or Agassi (:o ) won FO right??

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Slowly slowly Wimbledon's losing it's edge over the other slams and I think today winning a slam no matter which one, is what would be remembered.

ys....lack of tennis knowledgeis rife on this board…

I guess in the case of go hingis...ignorance is bliss

Mightymirza
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:45 PM
FOAD :mad: EAT CROW :haha: :haha:

So what happened to your prediction that Justine wouldn't win this tournament because she's never won anything indoors before?

But she had won indoors before righht??

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:46 PM
What is "tennis history"? What is important is people memory.. Like in this century, Hingis must have finished one year at #1, Davenport probably did it twice.. Which years? It will take me an effort to recall, but one clue will help .. none of them won anything of significance in those years.. Who cares...

:worship: Wonderful, insightful post

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:46 PM
:worship: Wonderful, insightful post

why do you keep licking his arse?! :haha:

Justine Fan
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:48 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

What will also be remembered in 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70 etc, etc is that Justine Henin-Hardenne has:

5 GS titles
YEC title
No. 1 x 3
Olympic Gold medal
First player to 7000 points
Fed Cup winner
2nd player ever to get to 5 major finals in a year (1st player was Graf)
1st player to get to ALL major tournament finals including Fed Cup Finals in a year

That's what will be remembered :ras: :ras: :ras: :ras:
:nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner:

Jealous bastard!!!!!!

Serena19
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:50 PM
FOAD :mad: EAT CROW :haha: :haha:

So what happened to your prediction that Justine wouldn't win this tournament because she's never won anything indoors before?

It's Vic Williams:bounce:

:lol:


Anyway imo, this year will be seen as a flash in the pan by Amelie while Justine carries on but doesn't dominate due to injuries/choking etc. It will be seen as Amelie's year but not by much.

I also think that if Justine never wins Wimbledon, it won't tarnish her legacy too much. I mean Monica Seles never won Wimbledon and she is considered by all one of the all time greats.

I would rather win 3/4 other slams like Justine than JUST Wimbledon. Of course Momo has AO as well but still...

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:52 PM
FOAD :mad: EAT CROW :haha: :haha:

So what happened to your prediction that Justine wouldn't win this tournament because she's never won anything indoors before?

OK, OK, :) it is Spanish indoors.. Even Ferrero used to beat Federer there.. Indoors.. Speaks volumes..

mirzalover
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:52 PM
well i'll remember justine and amelie. The only reason i'll remember justine is becausepeople are making a big deal about her finishing number one when no matter how much you complain bitch and moan she will be number one for the end of this year. i'll remember amelie for the fact that she won two majors and stop justine from winning the Big .

Robbie.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:52 PM
And you are foolish enough to believe that in 50 years, people will likely remember a one-time Wimby champion vs a woman that ended the year twice as #1, an Olympic Gold medal, five + GS tournaments, who hasn't even finished her career with the strong possibility of winning more?????

Yes, he has proven time and time again that he is foolish enough to believe this. As if number one is no achievement, and winning a grand slam assures you of tennis immortality.

One thing is certain - he has got it all wrong on who history will "remember". He says what is important is 'people's memory'. Well, newsflash to him, but in 50 years time people are much more likely to remember number ones than Grand Slam winners. The list is a lot shorter and has higher quality players on it. No one but a purist is going to care about "flukes" like Myskina or Kuznetsova or Majoli or even very good players like Novotna, Martinez, Pierce and Sabatini. Just like no one cares about Jausovec or Reid or O'Neill or Ruzici or Barker.

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:55 PM
why do you keep licking his arse?! :haha:

I’m not licking his arse…as you so uncouthly advocate…I’m merely applauding his tennis acumen…and the time and patience he devotes in trying to educate people like yourself who have little if any intelligence when it comes to tennis knowledge…just think of licking his arse as…drinking at the fountain of tennis knowledge…drink and be merry

Personally if I had declared that Wimbledon was not the most important tennis tournament of the season like you have...I'd never post here again

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:56 PM
I mean Monica Seles never won Wimbledon and she is considered by all one of the all time greats.


Just add that single Wimbledon to her resume...

Anyway, Federer said it best.. when he said he'd easily take his 11th Wimbledon over his first French.. Sure. Could not be any other way.

Serena19
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:58 PM
Yes, he has proven time and time again that he is foolish enough to believe this. As if number one is no achievement, and winning a grand slam assures you of tennis immortality.

One thing is certain - he has got it all wrong on who history will "remember". He says what is important is 'people's memory'. Well, newsflash to him, but in 50 years time people are much more likely to remember number ones than Grand Slam winners. The list is a lot shorter and has higher quality players on it. No one but a purist is going to care about "flukes" like Myskina or Kuznetsova or Majoli or even very good players like Novotna, Martinez, Pierce and Sabatini. Just like no one cares about Jausovec or Reid or O'Neill or Ruzici or Barker.


I don't know if all of that is true. I think personally people like players such as Novotna and Sabatini and they will be remembered in their own countries certainly for a long time and in the tennis world in the same league as those such as Kim and Amelie.

Besdies in 50 years time, people will be more interested in comparing the tennis players of the 30's to their current era of the 50's :lol:

Our tennis players will be distant memories and interesting stats. Some such as Serena maybe legends but that is all :P

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:59 PM
I’m not licking his arse…as you so uncouthly advocate…I’m merely applauding his tennis acumen…and the time and patience he devotes in trying to educate people like yourself who have little if any intelligence when it comes to tennis knowledge…just think of licking his arse as…drinking at the fountain of tennis knowledge…drink and be merry

Personally if I had declared that Wimbledon was not the most important tennis tournament of the season like you have...I'd never post here again

im talking about tennis fans here. i was caled ignorant for saying wimbledon wasnt the biggest tournament. if you are a fan, you should know that it is just as difficult to win the other slams.

monica seles never won wimbledon :shrug:

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:59 PM
Just add that single Wimbledon to her resume...

Anyway, Federer said it best.. when he said he'd easily take his 11th Wimbledon over his first French.. Sure. Could not be any other way.

Monica Seles is remembered more for NOT winning Wimbledon...than being stabbed...you can't be one of the "All Time Greats" and not won Wimbledon :lol:

ys how do you put up with this hilarious diatribe?...I despair of today's tennis fans

Justine Fan
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:00 PM
But she had won indoors before righht??

Twice yes!

But ys is a troll and knows nothing about tennis. ys just likes to hate on Justine along with his friendly troll in this thread "this is me", whom I think I know who it is.

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:01 PM
Just add that single Wimbledon to her resume...

Anyway, Federer said it best.. when he said he'd easily take his 11th Wimbledon over his first French.. Sure. Could not be any other way.

so what? i bet mary pierce would rather win her 11th french open title than her first wimbledon. each to their own :shrug:

Robbie.
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:02 PM
I don't know if all of that is true. I think personally people like players such as Novotna and Sabatini and they will be remembered in their own countries certainly for a long time and in the tennis world in the same league as those such as Kim and Amelie.

Besdies in 50 years time, people will be more interested in comparing the tennis players of the 30's to their current era of the 50's :lol:

Our tennis players will be distant memories and interesting stats. Some such as Serena maybe legends but that is all :P

I would agree with this, most definitely. Number one is not definitive either. Even some number ones will surely be forgotten. The whole career must be taken into consideration. But it is a better judge than winning a single GS title, that is for sure.

From this era probably only the legacies of Henin, the Williams Sisters and Hingis will survive. Sharpova, perhaps, with time.

Serena19
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:03 PM
Just add that single Wimbledon to her resume...

Anyway, Federer said it best.. when he said he'd easily take his 11th Wimbledon over his first French.. Sure. Could not be any other way.

Add give Fed 3 Wimbledons and 1 RG and then see where he is on the all time greats list ;)

If he wouldn't swap them then that's fair enough, but make no mistake, the FO and Wimbledon are of more value together than separately.

And even though Wimbledon is the first tennis tournament in the world; it isn't the be all and end all. If people can't see beyond it, then that is quite sad. If Monica had one Wimbledon it wouldn't affect her status as a great that much. Perhaps being the only woman in the open era to win 3 FOs in a row is more impressive than being one of many to win Wimbledon; it's all very subjective.

Obviously with that Wimbledon title Seles would be regarded as greater than she is now; but I don't think it would make THAT much difference tbh as Seles is always going to be number two to Graf in that era. Just as Mauresmo is always going to be regarded as second best to players like Serena and Lindsay who own her. Even if she does win the greatest tennis tournament in the world.

Justine Fan
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:03 PM
It's Vic Williams:bounce:

:lol:


Anyway imo, this year will be seen as a flash in the pan by Amelie while Justine carries on but doesn't dominate due to injuries/choking etc. It will be seen as Amelie's year but not by much.

I also think that if Justine never wins Wimbledon, it won't tarnish her legacy too much. I mean Monica Seles never won Wimbledon and she is considered by all one of the all time greats.

I would rather win 3/4 other slams like Justine than JUST Wimbledon. Of course Momo has AO as well but still...

:haha: :haha:

Hi SW19 :wavey:

Is "this is me" Chairman or Choko?

Yeh Vic Williams ..... "black don't crack" :haha: :haha:

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:04 PM
i bet mary pierce would rather win her 11th french open title than her first wimbledon.

You lost your bet. Mary Pierce has nothing to do with mental institutions.

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:06 PM
You lost your bet. Mary Pierce has nothing to do with mental institutions.

ha.....*cough*.......ha


i think she will be remembered over amelie though, and they have both won the same amount of GSs :shrug:

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:08 PM
anyway, maybe its good that the new generation of tennis fans knows that all grand slam titles are of equal importance :wavey:

Justine Fan
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:08 PM
im talking about tennis fans here. i was caled ignorant for saying wimbledon wasnt the biggest tournament. if you are a fan, you should know that it is just as difficult to win the other slams.

monica seles never won wimbledon :shrug:

Superman

Ignore that troll "this is me". He trolls the BBC board and has been banned from most other boards. He's been banned from this one before but has come back as another name. Don't worry, just keep bad repping and he'll be gone!

Serena19
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:09 PM
:haha: :haha:

Hi SW19 :wavey:

Is "this is me" Chairman or Choko?

Yeh Vic Williams ..... "black don't crack" :haha: :haha:

hey :D

We should steal Vic's lines and keep them alive seeing as the great man himself doesn't post anymore :(

I don't think Chairman has found his way over here yet:rolleyes:

With Chokie you never know tho :lol:

Paul.
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Superman

Ignore that troll "this is me". He trolls the BBC board and has been banned from most other boards. He's been banned from this one before but has come back as another name. Don't worry, just keep bad repping and he'll be gone!

i know :)

the thing is it was ys who called me ignorant and he has managed over 14,000 posts!!! :eek:

you can just imagine "this is me" sitting as his computer trying to be one of those "articulate trolls". its kind of sad. i havent even bad repped him

Joana
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:10 PM
She made it to all major finals this season. Won two of them. I doubt she worries too much about whose Slam title will be most remembered.

gladysharon
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:14 PM
come on, a bit of a spoilspot arent you!

Justine will win Wimbledon in her own time, why do you care so much

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:16 PM
She made it to all major finals this season. Won two of them. I doubt she worries too much about whose Slam title will be most remembered.

Oh yes she does. I am sure she does worry .. about those titles that were there for her to take but went some other way..

Serena19
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Monica Seles is remembered more for NOT winning Wimbledon...than being stabbed...you can't be one of the "All Time Greats" and not won Wimbledon :lol:

ys how do you put up with this hilarious diatribe?...I despair of today's tennis fans


Well how come she is then?

And she is remembered more for not winning Wimbledon than for being stabbed? Please what tree did you just fall out of. Get a reality check.

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:29 PM
Who is doing the remembering? Us at age 70?
How many people know who Lew Hoad was?

die_wahrheit
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:34 PM
Well since when did USO become more imp than French??

Maybe because of history. French Open was dead in the 70ies, Burg gave it new life.
US Open had more prestige.

But you're right, really apart from the other is only Wimbledon.
There's no number two tournament.

die_wahrheit
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:47 PM
Slowly slowly Wimbledon's losing it's edge over the other slams and I think today winning a slam no matter which one, is what would be remembered.

Sorry, but world's greatest players, especially the possibly best tennis player of all time, Federer, will always remember you that Wimbledon is no 1.
So sad for some fans.
But fans can't change the reality.

Apart from Federer, who tells the media and the fans permanently that Wimbledon is most important blablabla... nearly every great player made similar quotes. Of course also Mauresmo after her victory.
Navratilova.. no question what she thought.

Sorry, Wimbledon is clearly no 1. With Federer it got additional boost.

Ok, Arantxa Sanchez-Vicario and her fans may have another opinion, but these are not the authorities.

All that doesn't mean, Justine Hardenne is not a great player. She's a very great player and had a fantastic career.
Only the crown juwel is missing.

RJWCapriati
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:07 AM
Nah.....I'll remember...... this post of yours above all that....



I'll remember Justine making it to all the slam finals :)

Wimbledon is not the biggest tourney to me...actually I have it in 4th place among the most important slams.

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:11 AM
Wimbledon IS the biggest tournament in tennis...

rottweily
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:25 AM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

happy now ?

vogus
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:42 AM
lmao.. Same big? Ask tenins historians. Ask the public. Ask the players. Who cares about the points.. Points will be off your WTA account in 12 months time. Wimbledon crown is Forever.


you are full of shit. In some narrow circles, Wimby might be considered more important than USO and RG, but it's not something that you can make a solid argument for, and you could also make the claim that either USO or RG is in fact the most important Grand Slam. The Australian certainly trails the other 3 Slams in prestige, but it has been catching up over the last 15 years and the gap is not that big anymore.

Dunlop1
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:18 AM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

:rolleyes:

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:45 AM
amazing how many in life believe something just cuz that is what they have always been told. always been told that wimbledon is most important so i have to believe it. :rolleyes: very analogous to many people religious convictions, most of which are based on "well that is what I have always been told" pull your head out of your asses, people.

moby
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:14 AM
Oh yes she does. I am sure she does worry .. about those titles that were there for her to take but went some other way..I'm sure she was disappointed. But worrying? She's saving that for the tournaments that are coming up next year, the results of which are still within her control.

Justine does not live in the past. :wavey:

moby
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:18 AM
I mean Conchita Martinez Wimby crown vs Iva Majoli RG crown.Might that be because Conchita had the far better career overall? :)

Let me give the example of Muster and Krajicek. RG vs Wimbledon. Who is greater? Muster, of course.

One slam does not make or break a legend. People will remember consistent performances at the end of the day.

rockstar
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:22 AM
the thread starter is so just trying to bash justine and discredit her :rolleyes:

Reuchlin
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:30 AM
What will also be remembered in 5, 10, 15, 20, 25, 30, 35, 40, 45, 50, 55, 60, 65, 70 etc, etc is that Justine Henin-Hardenne has:

5 GS titles
YEC title
No. 1 x 3
Olympic Gold medal
First player to 7000 points
Fed Cup winner
2nd player ever to get to 5 major finals in a year (1st player was Graf)
1st player to get to ALL major tournament finals including Fed Cup Finals in a year

That's what will be remembered :ras: :ras: :ras: :ras:
:nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner: :nerner:

Jealous bastard!!!!!!


Amelie:
1st player to win a slam by default :tape: :tape: :tape: :help: :help: :help:

Jakeev
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:32 AM
Not sure how much I agree with this thread, but it seems like Justine was often overlooked this year against Amelie and Maria.

I think had Justine had won more Tier 1 events this year, perhaps she would have dominated the tennis headlines.

But the fact she missed much of the Summer and Fall because of injury and lost the other three Slam finals, could possibly have her be overlooked in the future (when they talk about the year 2006 in tennis) and that is a shame.

franny
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:19 AM
Um, the fact that during Justine's run to the finals of all four majors all the commentators would bring up the short list of players who have also accomplished the same feat, I'm pretty sure that people will remember it more as Justine being one of less than 10 players to have reached all four finals in one year, versus Mauresmo who is one of a bunch more of players who have won both Wimbledon and the Australian Open.

mandy7
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:22 AM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

the french is better than the us open
the us open is.. i dunno.. just less cool
not as intense as the french
for me it's
wimbles
aus open (start of the yar is just fun fun fun :D)
french
us open

Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:35 AM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

yeap...completely agree with that


but the tour is also set up in a way which bestows importance on the level of consistency that a player can maintain...during the course of the whole year

Ben.
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:43 AM
justine will be remembered. i'am sure of this certain. whoever started this thread is a shitstirrer.

MistyGrey
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:08 AM
Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon, but she is still remembered as a one slam wonder. Mary and Jennifer never won Wimbledon, but they are still considered greater than Conchi! Monica never won Wimbledon..
At the end of the day, people like to measure greatness by the number of slams won, and not by the No. of Wimbledon titles won. So yes Amelie won two grandslam titles and Justine won one, but thats just something Amelie fans/Justine haters will be telling themselves to ease the pain of seeing Justine at the top of the rankings. Doesnt change the fact that Justine was the best player of 2006.

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:14 AM
Conchita Martinez won Wimbledon, but she is still remembered as a one slam wonder. Mary and Jennifer never won Wimbledon, but they are still considered greater than Conchi! Monica never won Wimbledon..
At the end of the day, people like to measure greatness by the number of slams won, and not by the No. of Wimbledon titles won. So yes Amelie won two grandslam titles and Justine won one, but thats just something Amelie fans/Justine haters will be telling themselves to ease the pain of seeing Justine at the top of the rankings. Doesnt change the fact that Justine was the best player of 2006.

That's wrong.
Pierce/Martinez?.. this question was never asked.
Martinez and Pierce are in the same league.
Capriati has a little advantage.


The good examples show, what Wimbledon means. Take Navratilova, Lendl, Court.
All get their credits for their performance at Wimbledon.
One more, others less.

explorer
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:57 AM
Um, the fact that during Justine's run to the finals of all four majors all the commentators would bring up the short list of players who have also accomplished the same feat, I'm pretty sure that people will remember it more as Justine being one of less than 10 players to have reached all four finals in one year, versus Mauresmo who is one of a bunch more of players who have won both Wimbledon and the Australian Open.

Justine is the first player has reached all four slam finals and YEC final since Graf in 1993, and only the fifth in the history of tennis who achieved this. Now can someone tell me how many players won two slams in the same year in the history of tennis?

justine&coria
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Hum, it's so funny : if I ask you who's won the slams five years ago you probably won't be able to tell.

Justine made history by reaching the finals of the 5 or 6 most important finals in tennis.
Mauresmo will be remembered for her first win in a GS.

perseus2006
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:28 PM
Wimbledon is fading because the entire grass season consists of the two week run up after RG and before Wimbledon starts. This scheduling problem needs to be fixed.

The AO is too early after the start of the season. This scheduling problem also needs to be fixed.

Ideally, each GS should have a six week lead up. Well, that's my opinion anyway. I get a lot of grief for it though.

vogus
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM
the thread starter is so just trying to bash justine and discredit her :rolleyes:


No. The thread starter doesn't care about Justine one way or the other. He is trying to bash the non-Wimbledon Grand Slams, which is one of his favorite pastimes. That's the whole point of the thread.

die_wahrheit
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:59 PM
Wimbledon is fading because the entire grass season consists of the two week run up after RG and before Wimbledon starts. This scheduling problem needs to be fixed.


Another time wrong, there are no less grass tournaments than in the 80ies.

Sam L
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

What will be remembered is that Justine's won a slam each year every year from 2003-2006. :worship:

Mephisto
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Another time wrong, there are no less grass tournaments than in the 80ies.

are you sure? i always thought the Australian Open were played on grass in the early 80s ......

Martian KC
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:02 PM
Ys putting Wimby above everything else in tennis? Surely, you jest!

Fantastic
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:11 PM
IMO, the year belonged to three women - Henin-Hardenne, Sharapova and Mauresmo.

The first half of the year belonged to Mauresmo. Sharapova dominated the second half. Meanwhile, Henin-Hardenne was solid as a rock throughout the year. They all defeated each other in 2006 so it's going to be a tough job by the ITF to choose their player of the year.

Sharapova may drop out of the running by not contesting any Fed Cup ties, but in terms of consistency throughout the year, Henin-Hardenne may get the nod. But there's also an undeniable edge that Mauresmo has from winning two Grand Slam titles this year. Each woman falls short in one area or another but also stands tall in other areas. It's tough, it's tough.

I say they share it.

morningglory
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:12 PM
since when has wimby been the biggest tourney of the year? all the slams are equally big :confused: (same number of points won etc...)

Nah Wimby is THE slam... the king of slams! The one the players wanna win the most (maybe cept for those "grass is for cows" Spaniards on the men's side, purely sour grapes of course)

cheo23
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:21 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

Tennis fans that have been PAYING ATTENTION this whole year WILL REMEMBER QUEEN JUSTINE's AMAZING SEASON & reaching ALL GRAND SLAM FINALS...so whatever & GET IT TOGETHER!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes: :weirdo:

harloo
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:37 PM
In my opinion their is no clear #1 this year. My picks are based on results in slams:

1. Amelie-Reached 2 slam finals(defeated Justine in both) lost to Justine at YEC. 2 for 3

2. Justine- Reached all slam finals(won only 1) + Won YEC 2 for 5

Amelie gets extra credit for winning Wimbledon and defeating Justine in both majors.

vejh
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:38 PM
10 finals of 13 tournies played, including 4Gs finals, a gs, and YEC, with an average of 88% tops the list easily.

And I could never understand how a played who won 2 Gs could be so inconsistent throughout the year. There were so many, too many, times I've seen Ame play in 2006 and wonder "how on God's green earth did she even make it to a slam final?"

mauresmofan
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:24 PM
I agree that Amélie will probably be remembered more for what she did this year but Justine was amazing. All 4 slam finals and the YEC as well - she deserves to be no.1 with that incredible consistancy! I won't be forgetting who did what in 2006 5 years from now!

griffin
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:37 PM
.. what will be remembered in 5 years is that Mauresmo won Wimbledon ( the biggest tourney of the year ) and two Slams overall, Sharapova won US Open and Justine won French. In that order.

What will be remembered is that Justine's won a slam each year every year from 2003-2006. :worship:

I'm not sure the two are mutually exclusive. I agree that when people think of the year, Wimbledon will stand out - and possibly the fact that Amelie won her first slams.

That doesn't mean anyone's going to forget Justine's Slam totals when they think of tennis on the whole, it's just taht people do tend to focus on Slam trophies, and this year Amelie bagged two of them.

(fwiw, since she finished up by winning the YEC and took the year-ending #1, I think Justine should get Player of the Year.

vejh
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:43 PM
It depends on what slam a person prefers. It is not automatic that people will reflect on Wimby when they think of the year; absolutely not. Quite a few, eg. Americans who aren't avid fans, will remember Shara's USO win eg. Many French may think of JHH's win..it all depends..what was more memorable to them and why.

Frankly, it meant less to me, but i will remember Shara's win because of the whole build up to it.lol. Not that is has more significance of itself, but because so many things that surrounded it lent some unforgettable tinge to it (I feel pretty..i won't be forgetting that song and the image of Shara anytime soon unfortunately).

Melly Flew Us
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:05 PM
... At the end of the day, people like to measure greatness by the number of slams won, and not by the No. of Wimbledon titles won. So yes Amelie won two grandslam titles and Justine won one, but thats just something Amelie fans/Justine haters will be telling themselves to ease the pain of seeing Justine at the top of the rankings. Doesnt change the fact that Justine was the best player of 2006.

please do list the posts by amelie fans 'trying to ease the pain' of juju being number 1.

too defensive by half.

justine had a great year. i wouldn't call it her best though; but she might.

serenafan08
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:12 PM
:yawn: Sounds like a last-minute attempt to put a chink in Justine's armor to me. There's no denying it - she was the most consistent player of 2006. She won a tour-high six titles, beat Sharapova three out of the four times they played, got to the finals of all four Grand Slams, and even though Amelie won their head-to-head this year, Justine solidified her #1 ranking by beating her rather decisively in the YEC finals. Sure, Mauresmo won two Slams this year, and that is not to be diminished. But the fact still remains that Justine was more consistent - I'm not a fan and even I could see that!

vejh
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:16 PM
That's because you're smart :)

Kipling
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Well since when did USO become more imp than French??

Well, "important" might be the wrong word, and certainly, in the last 20 years, the French has gained back some of its prestige, but starting in the early/mid 1970's, lots of top players skipped both the French Open and the Australian Open--for different reasons.

The French had the unfortunate and dubious distinction of being opposite World Team Tennis, which for a few years was a better and bigger draw. That, and tour politics kept a number of stars away.

Regarding the AO, when it was early in the year it conflicted with the men's & women's indoor tours, and when it was late in the year, it conflicted with the grand prix championships. Too, after the demise of the great era of Australian domination, it kind of fell off the radar as a "secondary" grass court major--remember, prior to 1975, three of the four majors were on grass.

Bottom line is that from about 1972 until the early/mid 1980's, the AO and RG were considered less prestigious events than the tour (Virginia Slims, Avon) championships and grand prix (Colgate, Toyota) championships.