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Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:41 PM
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2006 Year-End Champion and 2006 Year-End #1 Player, Justine Henin-Hardenne



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2006 WTA #3 Ranked Amelie Mauresmo and 2006 WTA #1 Ranked Justine Henin-Hardenne


I needed to get this off my chest, because I felt as though it needed to be said.

Now that the 2006 WTA Season is complete and the women have let their racquets speak for themselves, I think it is very appropriate to revisit the lynching of Justine Henin-Hardenne in January 2006 and her reply to the tennis world this season.

Never before in the Open Era has any player recieved such criticism over an injury withdrawl from a Grand Slam tournament as Justine Henin-Hardenne did at the 2006 Australian Open Finals. She was ingesting anti-inflammatory medication for a shoulder injury when she began cramping during the AO finals. Justine retired during that match because she couldn't distinguish between the cramping from the medication she was taking, or an abdominal injury.

As a result, she was overly and harshly criticized by other WTA players, the sports media, tennis columnists and commentators. It was a modern-day lynching of a tennis player that was steadfast in her defense, which she believed.

Some said she retired because she knew she was losing badly, completely ignoring the fact that Justine is the biggest fighter in the WTA. Some said she was attempting to "take away Amelie's moment" of winning her first grand slam title, ignoring the fact Justine had never before or since retired from a Grand Slam final. Some even said as a result of her withdrawl during the AO final, Justine would never again be able to win a Grand Slam tournament, that she would be mentally beaten by her withdrawl, ignoring Justine's canny ability to fight back from a virus, the death of her mother and reptitive injuries.

Justine's response? The truth. And if Justine wasn't being honest about her withdrawl, she might well have been mentally beaten, to the point of not being able to perform well in the majors and other tournaments. However, Justine didn't fight back with words, she used her racquet.

The next grand slam tournament, French Open, she won without dropping a set, and put her in a position to be only the third woman in tennis history to win three French Open Championships in a row. Her win even prompted an apology from Pam Shriver who questioned Justine's withdrawl from the AO finals. Her critics said it was to be expected that Justine would win on a slower surface. She brought children battling cancer that participated in her Circle of Winners to watch her in that final, and the upcoming Wimbledon Championships.

Next, she made it to the finals of Wimbledon, of which she lost once again to Amelie, but it was 6-4 in the third. Many said Justine couldn't play well on a fast surface. She once again proved them wrong by winning a grass-court tune up to Wimbledon.

Then, she makes it to the finals of the US Open, a fast hardcourt tournament and was soundly defeated by Maria.

Justine made it to the finals of all four Grand Slam tournaments, winning one. She made it to the finals of Fed Cup, winning all of her indoor matches. She won on all four surfaces, including the YEC of which she soundly defeated Amelie and regained the #1 ranking. She had the best record of any player, won more tournaments than any other WTA player and became the first player since Seles to make it to the finals of all GS tournaments and the YEC.

It is obvious that Justine sent a strong message to the tennis world and all that cruely admonished her in January of 2006. She is not only the best fighter in the WTA, but ended the year the best player in the WTA and the YEC, defeating the woman whose GS final in January stirred animosity towards Justine.

It always appeared as if Justine was out to prove something this year. Not only to herself, but to the tennis world that easily and without a thought, attempted to cast her into the depths of tennis hell. She did this without negatively talking about it...rather, she used her tennis to prove otherwise.

Not only did Justine throw every word of negativity about her in Janurary back in the faces of the tennis world, but used their negativity to rise to the top of the tennis world and #1 ranking for 2006. Not only did she prove that she was the best in 2006, but that she isn't going away anytime soon.

The irony is startling. Justine had the last laugh. And so did her fans ;)

allez!

Hingiswinsthis
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:52 PM
very nice post. at 24, i believe justine henin-hardenne understands that if she's gonna make a run at some tennis history she better take advantage while being at the prime age for a tennis player (24-26 yrs. old).

she's not going away any time soon, she truly is the dominator of the womens game...when she shows up she wins...of course she's only human and can't win them all, but her ratio of appearances to winning is pretty damn good. she took the torch from Hingis, Davenport, and Serena Williams and she's doing a good job at proving her critics wrong.

No Name Face
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:58 PM
i don't like her that much, but she's growing on me. her game is just so beautiful and even though she'll never be a serena or dementieva to me, i'm starting to respect her. now with that said, she absolutely cannot surpass serena's slams :p

vejh
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:00 PM
Nice post Swami.lol. Nice. I read every single word.

I can imagine how much she went through. It's not easy when you have your friends/coworkers against you. But imagine the world of tennis, and peers, media etc.? It was alot she had to deal with for no real good reason, but she didn't wilt. She took it as a challenge and dealt with it.

There are alot of things about JHH that is just plain inspirational. I think with her you see someone who understands what true life is all about. She didn't deal bitterly because she understands life is fleeting and one should make the most out of it.

She is a slow starter, but a riser. Alot of players burst onto the scene quickly, but she took her time to climb.lol. And being so tiny and acheiving all she has already...really amazes me. I was joking with my friend about this barely 5'5" girl who defeats a girl who is almost a whole foot taller.lol. That's just guts and fight.

pigmalion
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:02 PM
respect :worship: well said :worship:

CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Niceley said SWAMI :worship:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:13 PM
There are just so many flaws in that first posts that I don't know where to start.
She knew what she wanted to do in 2006 before the year started.

You're implying that Justine all of a sudden decided to just talk with her court play after the negative incident at the Australian Open.
That is just not true.

She did make it to the finals of Wimbledon.
Noone ever said she couldn't do it. She's been there before.
It's the final step of winning it that most critics are doubtful with.
I even made a thread last year about Justine never winning Wimbledon unless she deals with her flaws.
She is still not serving as well as she should on grass and she's paid for it in the final.

I give her credit for working on a more consistent serve over the summer but she has had even more issues with her serve now than before.

I give her credit for winning on what could be considered her weakest surface, indoors.

Her net play continues to get better.
Her approach shots are one of the best on tour.

Those things will help her in the future but Justine's first serve percentage cost her two slams this year on the faster surfaces.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:19 PM
There are just so many flaws in that first posts that I don't know where to start.
She knew what she wanted to do in 2006 before the year started.

You're implying that Justine all of a sudden decided to just talk with her court play after the negative incident at the Australian Open.
That is just not true.

She did make it to the finals of Wimbledon.
Noone ever said she couldn't do it. She's been there before.
It's the final step of winning it that most critics are doubtful with.
I even made a thread last year about Justine never winning Wimbledon unless she deals with her flaws.
She is still not serving as well as she should on grass and she's paid for it in the final.

I give her credit for working on a more consistent serve over the summer but she has had even more issues with her serve now than before.

I give her credit for winning on what could be considered her weakest surface, indoors.

Her net play continues to get better.
Her approach shots are one of the best on tour.

Those things will help her in the future but Justine's first serve percentage cost her two slams this year on the faster surfaces.

Knowing that you are one of Justine's biggest critics, and speaking of "flaws" you failed to answer a question in an earlier thread that just BEGS to be dealt with:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=9478621&postcount=6

Mauresmo is 27. Justine has only confirmed two more years.It could be a good rivalry but because of age and wear and tear of the tour, it will never be a great rivalry.

You know, that's the second time today you've made the statement that Justine has confirmed playing only two more years. As if you are attempting to make "retirement" an issue already for Justine.

So before you begin pedaling an early retirement issue for Justine (not shocked), let's see the quoted links where Justine states she ONLY intends on playing for two more years and why.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:29 PM
It's the final step of winning it that most critics are doubtful with.

I think the 2006 French Open win without losing a set should have shut-up those critics. Especially after the YEC blowout win today.

And considering Justine is the ONLY player of this generation to win a grand slam event four years running pretty much robs the critics of their credibility in regards to Justine's ability to win at the majors. She still has a winning percentage in grand slam finals. 5/9. ;)

Your assertion is just plain false.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:43 PM
Knowing that you are one of Justine's biggest critics, and speaking of "flaws" you failed to answer a question in an earlier thread that just BEGS to be dealt with:

http://www.wtaworld.com/showpost.php?p=9478621&postcount=6



You know, that's the second time today you've made the statement that Justine has confirmed playing only two more years. As if you are attempting to make "retirement" an issue already for Justine.

So before you begin pedaling an early retirement issue for Justine (not shocked), let's see the quoted links where Justine states she ONLY intends on playing for two more years and why.

:confused:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=273282&highlight=Enna+two+more+years
:wavey:
I'm not making it an issue but if you haven't noticed once it is said that player can never take it back.
Lindsay has said herself she regrets saying it.

terjw
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:49 PM
I needed to get this off my chest, because I felt as though it needed to be said.

Now that the 2006 WTA Season is complete and the women have let their racquets speak for themselves, I think it is very appropriate to revisit the lynching of Justine Henin-Hardenne in January 2006 and her reply to the tennis world this season.

Never before in the Open Era has any player recieved such criticism over an injury withdrawl from a Grand Slam tournament as Justine Henin-Hardenne did at the 2006 Australian Open Finals. She was ingesting anti-inflammatory medication for a shoulder injury when she began cramping during the AO finals. Justine retired during that match because she couldn't distinguish between the cramping from the medication she was taking, or an abdominal injury.

As a result, she was overly and harshly criticized by other WTA players, the sports media, tennis columnists and commentators. It was a modern-day lynching of a tennis player that was steadfast in her defense, which she believed.

Some said she retired because she knew she was losing badly, completely ignoring the fact that Justine is the biggest fighter in the WTA. Some said she was attempting to "take away Amelie's moment" of winning her first grand slam title, ignoring the fact Justine had never before or since retired from a Grand Slam final. Some even said as a result of her withdrawl during the AO final, Justine would never again be able to win a Grand Slam tournament, that she would be mentally beaten by her withdrawl, ignoring Justine's canny ability to fight back from a virus, the death of her mother and reptitive injuries.

Justine's response? The truth. And if Justine wasn't being honest about her withdrawl, she might well have been mentally beaten, to the point of not being able to perform well in the majors and other tournaments. However, Justine didn't fight back with words, she used her racquet.

The next grand slam tournament, French Open, she won without dropping a set, and put her in a position to be only the third woman in tennis history to win three French Open Championships in a row. Her win even prompted an apology from Pam Shriver who questioned Justine's withdrawl from the AO finals. Her critics said it was to be expected that Justine would win on a slower surface. She brought children battling cancer that participated in her Circle of Winners to watch her in that final, and the upcoming Wimbledon Championships.

Next, she made it to the finals of Wimbledon, of which she lost once again to Amelie, but it was 6-4 in the third. Many said Justine couldn't play well on a fast surface. She once again proved them wrong by winning a grass-court tune up to Wimbledon.

Then, she makes it to the finals of the US Open, a fast hardcourt tournament and was soundly defeated by Maria.

Justine made it to the finals of all four Grand Slam tournaments, winning one. She made it to the finals of Fed Cup, winning all of her indoor matches. She won on all four surfaces, including the YEC of which she soundly defeated Amelie and regained the #1 ranking. She had the best record of any player, won more tournaments than any other WTA player and became the first player since Seles to make it to the finals of all GS tournaments and the YEC.

It is obvious that Justine sent a strong message to the tennis world and all that cruely admonished her in January of 2006. She is not only the best fighter in the WTA, but ended the year the best player in the WTA and the YEC, defeating the woman whose GS final in January stirred animosity towards Justine.

It always appeared as if Justine was out to prove something this year. Not only to herself, but to the tennis world that easily and without a thought, attempted to cast her into the depths of tennis hell. She did this without negatively talking about it...rather, she used her tennis to prove otherwise.

Not only did Justine throw every word of negativity about her in Janurary back in the faces of the tennis world, but used their negativity to rise to the top of the tennis world and #1 ranking for 2006. Not only did she prove that she was the best in 2006, but that she isn't going away anytime soon.

The irony is startling. Justine had the last laugh. And so did her fans ;)

allez!

First of all let me just say that as someone who doesn't particularly like Justine I was one of the few ppl here who thought her treatment and what was posted here over her AO withdrawal was outrageous. If you don't believe me - I did PM Lady to express my sympathy. I mean just how can anyone here know what she was suffering?

But I'm not all sweetness and light to Justine. I was pretty annoyed that she couldn't even make herself available in an emergency for one match in the Fed Cup semis. And I do mean only in an emergency. Seeing her at Wimbledon I'm damned sure if she'd needed to play one more match there - she would have. And don't compare with Kim. Justine didn't injure herself at Wimbledon like with Kim at Canada during a match at that tournament for all to see.

So whereas Justine and Kim got Belgium to the semis, no - she did not made it to the Fed Cup final. Kim and Flipper made it to the Fed Cup finals for her.

Other than that - I agree with everything else you say.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 11:55 PM
I think the 2006 French Open win without losing a set should have shut-up those critics. Especially after the YEC blowout win today.

And considering Justine is the ONLY player of this generation to win a grand slam event four years running pretty much robs the critics of their credibility in regards to Justine's ability to win at the majors. She still has a winning percentage in grand slam finals. 5/9. ;)

Your assertion is just plain false.

I think everyone has considered Justine the favorite at the French Open since she won it the first time.
She played over half of her matches in three sets on clay in 2005.
She was exhausted by the grass season.

She made an adjustment this year but her draw in 2005 was definately a lot tougher than the one she had this year.

You really think that since Justine is able to win 2 straight French Opens in the 4 years she's won that her critics are robbed? :lol:

All I have to do is look at your avatar to see that's not true.
Chris Evert was the queen of clay in her own times which lead to her usually ending up with one slam a year.
If you would ask her which player is the best to ever play the game, she would not say herself, she would say Steffi Graf, a player who was able to consistently win slams without having to depend on winning one on just one surface every year.
So there's room for criticism, believe me there is. :devil:

this is me
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:01 AM
Justine pulled a "Sicky" at the Austrailan Open this year...we all know it and so does she

gladysharon
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:21 AM
WOW Thank You!!...This can be a great article in tribute to Justine!! I like it!

And yes, she has been misunderstood by others, and sadly on this board or off, there still is.

They dont deserve explanations, cos they continue to be ignorant and insensitive. They may think they are not that, but apparently they showed this immaturity that continues to dislike or even hate a player they refuse to learn to understand.

Sad.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:22 AM
:confused:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=273282&highlight=Enna+two+more+years
:wavey:
I'm not making it an issue but if you haven't noticed once it is said that player can never take it back.
Lindsay has said herself she regrets saying it.

Yes I read that post and it still doesn't say that she has confirmed that she is retiring in 2 years.

She said "I THINK I will play for 2 more years". She didn't say I will be retiring in 2 more years.

Since when does the word "think" translate into a confirmation of a situation?

So if I were to say to you "I think I'll go to the movies tonight", does it mean I will definitely go? No, it means I'm thinking about it.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:24 AM
:confused:
http://www.wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=273282&highlight=Enna+two+more+years
:wavey:
I'm not making it an issue but if you haven't noticed once it is said that player can never take it back.
Lindsay has said herself she regrets saying it.

Justine: "Iím not as tall or as strong as the other ones, so I have to work harder to achieve my goals. I came to understand that in the last years. The tour is demanding for our bodies. I donít know the solution. When they find it, I wonít be playing any more."

Translation: By the time they figure out what is causing more injuries on tour, I'll probably have retired by then.


Justine: "I think Iíll play two years more, if my own body lets me do that... I still think my best tennis is still to come."

Translation: As long as her body holds up, she'll play tennis.

I don't see anywhere that she states she's retiring soon. In fact, as long as her "body holds up" she'll continue to play tennis.

Again, this is just another case where her detractors (You) attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill. When Justine was out most of 2004 with illness, there was no guarantee that she could return. She did. And won the Olympics.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:25 AM
First of all let me just say that as someone who doesn't particularly like Justine I was one of the few ppl here who thought her treatment and what was posted here over her AO withdrawal was outrageous. If you don't believe me - I did PM Lady to express my sympathy. I mean just how can anyone here know what she was suffering?

But I'm not all sweetness and light to Justine. I was pretty annoyed that she couldn't even make herself available in an emergency for one match in the Fed Cup semis. And I do mean only in an emergency. Seeing her at Wimbledon I'm damned sure if she'd needed to play one more match there - she would have. And don't compare with Kim. Justine didn't injure herself at Wimbledon like with Kim at Canada during a match at that tournament for all to see.

So whereas Justine and Kim got Belgium to the semis, no - she did not made it to the Fed Cup final. Kim and Flipper made it to the Fed Cup finals for her.
Other than that - I agree with everything else you say.

If it wasn't for Justine they wouldn't have gotten to the Semi-finals would they? Kim lost one of her matches and Justine won both of hers. So ... it's equal isn't it? If Justine hadn't of played then they'd have been out of the quarters.
:kiss:
Your comments?

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:26 AM
Hm.

gladysharon
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:30 AM
Nice post Swami.lol. Nice. I read every single word.

I can imagine how much she went through. It's not easy when you have your friends/coworkers against you. But imagine the world of tennis, and peers, media etc.? It was alot she had to deal with for no real good reason, but she didn't wilt. She took it as a challenge and dealt with it.

There are alot of things about JHH that is just plain inspirational. I think with her you see someone who understands what true life is all about. She didn't deal bitterly because she understands life is fleeting and one should make the most out of it.

She is a slow starter, but a riser. Alot of players burst onto the scene quickly, but she took her time to climb.lol. And being so tiny and acheiving all she has already...really amazes me. I was joking with my friend about this barely 5'5" girl who defeats a girl who is almost a whole foot taller.lol. That's just guts and fight.


Yes that is a lot to handle for a woman like her. She is very strong.
I see bits of me in her, stubborn-ness, "let my actions speak than I talk attitude" - which will amount to misunderstanding from other people.

I respect her a lot...knowing how much obstacles & fears she has to go through.

I'm so glad she is where she is suppose to be, and I celebrate her wins & happiness.

She's this quiet, shy and stubborn girl that many might find difficult to relate to. But I sense this touch of gentle, symphathy, and love coming out slowly from her that's so subtle.

Somehow I hope she can speak up more and do things to explain herself better...cos the tennis world kept going against her for things they failed to see & Justine, though admirable to keep things to herself & let her tennis racket do the work, it's time to be more open and shut those people up if she's so being wronged.

Anyways, ALLEZ JUSTINE! You are an inspiration, I salute your achievements & you have gained respect from your fans.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:33 AM
I think everyone has considered Justine the favorite at the French Open since she won it the first time.
She played over half of her matches in three sets on clay in 2005.
She was exhausted by the grass season.

Hey, Captain Obvious, I thought we were talking about 2006.

She made an adjustment this year but her draw in 2005 was definately a lot tougher than the one she had this year.

Anything to minimize Justine's accomplishments. Keep talking.

You really think that since Justine is able to win 2 straight French Opens in the 4 years she's won that her critics are robbed? :lol:

For someone that supposedly has "trouble winning GS events" as her critics assert, she's the only player of this generation to win at least one four years running. Next year, Justine plays for her third straight win at the French, something not even Chrissie could accomplish. In fact, only two other women in tennis history have accomplished that.....


So there's room for criticism, believe me there is. :devil:

Of course there is...from the hater retards in this forum that are insanely jealous of Justine's accomplishments and even go as far as attacking her long-time marriage....those who privately and delusionally wish that her husband is gay ;) . I mean, some queens think every man is gay, because they project their own denial regarding their own lack of masculinity.

But I'm not here to judge.

It must be miserable to live in an existance of always minimizing and criticizing others accomplishments that you don't have the will, skill or intelligence to ever accomplish. 99.9% of the current WTA (and tennis commentators) would BEG for the career of Henin-Hardenne up to this point. Its my opinion that those who are overly critical of Justine are simply mentally-imbalanced underacheivers in life that will never amount to anything, so their only defense-mechanism for their sorry ass lives is to try to bring others down.

And you are no different.

CrossCourt~Rally
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:37 AM
No.

Just like his avatar, he tries hard to show his ass, when really, its not that big of a deal.;)



:spit:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:41 AM
I never said Justine was going to retire after two years.
I have said Justine is only confirming to play two more years.
She could play after those two years but since she's mention it, I did bring about a practical scenario on the years she has confirmed to play.

The word retire never came up or was it implied.
In the Mauresmo/Justine rivalry there are other factors including some dealing with Mauresmo that have to be considered into why it might never be a great rivalry.
The same with Wimbledon. There are other factors as to why Justine's best chance came this year. One being she played against someone whose never been in a Wimbledon final.
Someone who never proved herself in a complete slam win.

So Justine_Fan how about you learn some fucking English.
You have the nerve to call me a Twat when I wasn't even in the latter stages.

Swami come up with better material. All this hate talk about my ass makes me wonder.
I haven't even brought it up but five posters in two days have volunteered to so thanks. :wavey:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:44 AM
Hey, Captain Obvious, I thought we were talking about 2006.

Anything to minimize Justine's accomplishments. Keep talking.

For someone that supposedly has "trouble winning GS events" as her critics assert, she's the only player of this generation to win at least one four years running. Next year, Justine plays for her third straight win at the French, something not even Chrissie could accomplish. In fact, only two other women in tennis history have accomplished that.....

Of course there is...from the hater retards in this forum that are insanely jealous of Justine's accomplishments and even go as far as attacking her long-time marriage....those who privately and delusionally wish that her husband is gay ;) . I mean, some queens think every man is gay, because they project their own denial regarding their own lack of masculinity.

But I'm not here to judge.

It must be miserable to live in an existance of always minimizing and criticizing others accomplishments that you don't have the will, skill or intelligence to ever accomplish. 99.9% of the current WTA (and tennis commentators) would BEG for the career of Henin-Hardenne up to this point. Its my opinion that those who are overly critical of Justine are simply mentally-imbalanced underacheivers in life that will never amount to anything, so their only defense-mechanism for their sorry ass lives is to try to bring others down.

And you are no different.

:worship:

Wannabeknowitall is a prime example of it! :spit:

Sam L
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:44 AM
A lot of that criticism came from fans like Williams fans. Where are their favourites now? :lol:

Anyway, way to go Justine. Great thread, Swami!!

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:45 AM
Too long.

She shouldn't have retired.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:50 AM
Too long.

She shouldn't have retired.

Sure, so the sadistic tennis commentators, Justine Haters, and columnists could sit and wait for Justine to seriously harm herself so they could bitch again about the "demands of the tour" placed on players causing injury, but completely exonerate themselves of encouraging on-court injury .:rolleyes:

Fucking hypocrites.

They wanted Justine to "kill herself" on-court so Amelie could have a moment in glory. Very selfish and irresponsible.

That's okay. Justine got it back today at the YEC, and her rightful place as the top player.

terjw
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:50 AM
If it wasn't for Justine they wouldn't have gotten to the Semi-finals would they? Kim lost one of her matches and Justine won both of hers. So ... it's equal isn't it? If Justine hadn't of played then they'd have been out of the quarters.
:kiss:
Your comments?

But I said that - Justine and Kim got Belgium to the semis. Without Justine they wouln't have got there. And OK I'll add in addition she was the main one with her 2 wins (mind you she probably still needed Kim). But Justine did not get to the finals. Kim and Flipper got her there. It would be like you drop out the semis of a grand slam and nominate someone else to play for you and when they win you pop back in for the final and claim you were the one who got to the final.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:52 AM
Too long.

She shouldn't have retired.

Idiot!

Well I only hope one day that you are truly sick and that you have to play a Grand Slam final. Oh of course, that won't happen! So if it won't happen, how the hell do you know how she felt and that she shouldn't have retired.

Were you ever in that position?

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:55 AM
But I said that - Justine and Kim got Belgium to the semis. Without Justine they wouln't have got there. And OK I'll add in addition she was the main one with her 2 wins (mind you she probably still needed Kim). But Justine did not get to the finals. Kim and Flipper got her there. It would be like you drop out the semis of a grand slam and nominate someone else to play for you and when they win you pop back in for the final and claim you were the one who got to the final.

Well of course she needed Kim, Justine can only play 2 rubbers which she won. She couldn't have done anymore could she? And yes, Flippers would most probably have lost it, so yes, they needed Kim.

It was equal, but in your first post you didn't say it was equal!

Glad we've sorted that one out.:wavey:

Astro Jetson
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:55 AM
I've been a fan of Justine since the beginning. What really startles me time and time again is indeed the way she is able to shut out all the criticism. I wonder if she ever comes in contact with the criticism (the articles, the commentators, the players etc.) I can't believe she hasn't, but it seems that she is immune for it. One tough cookie

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:57 AM
Hey, Captain Obvious, I thought we were talking about 2006.



Anything to minimize Justine's accomplishments. Keep talking.



For someone that supposedly has "trouble winning GS events" as her critics assert, she's the only player of this generation to win at least one four years running. Next year, Justine plays for her third straight win at the French, something not even Chrissie could accomplish. In fact, only two other women in tennis history have accomplished that.....




Of course there is...from the hater retards in this forum that are insanely jealous of Justine's accomplishments and even go as far as attacking her long-time marriage....those who privately and delusionally wish that her husband is gay ;) . I mean, some queens think every man is gay, because they project their own denial regarding their own lack of masculinity.

But I'm not here to judge.

It must be miserable to live in an existance of always minimizing and criticizing others accomplishments that you don't have the will, skill or intelligence to ever accomplish. 99.9% of the current WTA (and tennis commentators) would BEG for the career of Henin-Hardenne up to this point. Its my opinion that those who are overly critical of Justine are simply mentally-imbalanced underacheivers in life that will never amount to anything, so their only defense-mechanism for their sorry ass lives is to try to bring others down.

And you are no different.

Yes. If you think I want Pierre-Yves to be gay you are the delusional one. :lol: :haha:
OMG. That was good. He needs to stay on the straight side with Prince Albert.
Not all gay people think everyone is gay but if even Justine has fans that joke about it because they can even see the signs then maybe you need to take a chill pill and laugh with them.

You can say what you want about Justine's generational accomplishment but everytime someone makes a thread about the 10 best female players of the Open Era, the consenus is that only one player of this generation is in that top ten.
Her name is Serena Williams.
So yes she still has work to do whether you would like to believe it or not.

I don't need to minimize people's accomplishments. History does it for me.
I'm being as overly critical as people will be in the future as to why Justine should even be remembered or even be in the record books.
So get accostomed to it.

SelesFan70
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:58 AM
I was extremely critical of Justine in January (and rightfully so), but her year was quite exquisite.

Kudos to her! :worship:

ampers&
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:59 AM
:yawn:

Justards :weirdo:
Cry me a fucking river.:bigcry::baby:

Stop complaining and be happy. She won the YEC, had a great year, is a great player, but the criticism she received earlier this year was justly deserved. She copped out, plain and simple. The end. Get over it.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:02 AM
I don't need to minimize people's accomplishments. History does it for me.
I'm being as overly critical as people will be in the future as to why Justine should even be remembered or even be in the record books.

Wow! You are in horrible denial. Justine will easily make it into the International Tennis Hall of Fame. She's a multi-millionaire who won over $4 million dollars in prize money this year and has a wonderful career ahead of her.

Miz Cleo, until Justine retires, you really shouldn't make comments that your "ass" can't cash.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:05 AM
Fucking hypocrites.

They wanted Justine to "kill herself" on-court so Amelie could have a moment in glory. Very selfish and irresponsible.

That's okay. Justine got it back today at the YEC, and her rightful place as the top player.

Hypocrits?
Mauresmo words at the Australian Open, "I was ready to die on the court today".
If Mauresmo was willing to do it, I don't see what the issue is with Justine doing it.

Mauresmo- selfless
Justine- selfish
Mauresmo- in the moment
Justine- always thinking too far ahead

Mauresmo as Molik would oblige to say will "never have to die wondering what would have happened at the Australian Open".

Junex
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:05 AM
First of all let me just say that as someone who doesn't particularly like Justine I was one of the few ppl here who thought her treatment and what was posted here over her AO withdrawal was outrageous. If you don't believe me - I did PM Lady to express my sympathy. I mean just how can anyone here know what she was suffering?

But I'm not all sweetness and light to Justine. I was pretty annoyed that she couldn't even make herself available in an emergency for one match in the Fed Cup semis. And I do mean only in an emergency. Seeing her at Wimbledon I'm damned sure if she'd needed to play one more match there - she would have. And don't compare with Kim. Justine didn't injure herself at Wimbledon like with Kim at Canada during a match at that tournament for all to see.

So whereas Justine and Kim got Belgium to the semis, no - she did not made it to the Fed Cup final. Kim and Flipper made it to the Fed Cup finals for her.

Other than that - I agree with everything else you say.


you didn't get it right, BTF & Maes are the ones who forbid justine to appear in the Fed Cup SF...she even flew in from her vacation in Canarias to Belgium just to be shoon away.....

and by your logic, Justine did won Belgium the Fed Cup Qtrs against a much tougher opponent... :p

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:05 AM
:yawn:

Justards :weirdo:
Cry me a fucking river.:bigcry::baby:

Stop complaining and be happy. She won the YEC, had a great year, is a great player, but the criticism she received earlier this year was justly deserved. She copped out, plain and simple. The end. Get over it.

Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:

rottweily
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:06 AM
But I'm not all sweetness and light to Justine. I was pretty annoyed that she couldn't even make herself available in an emergency for one match in the Fed Cup semis. And I do mean only in an emergency. Seeing her at Wimbledon I'm damned sure if she'd needed to play one more match there - she would have. And don't compare with Kim. Justine didn't injure herself at Wimbledon like with Kim at Canada during a match at that tournament for all to see.


Ahem can one be more biased?
Justine did all she could for the Fed Cup and look with what result, 2 months lost...

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:06 AM
She copped out, plain and simple. The end. Get over it.

Not according to Pam Shriver, who publicly apologized for her critical evaluation of Justine's withdrawl from the AO. Pam admitted Pam was wrong. However, some jealous retards are not as big a person as Pam is by admitting it.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:07 AM
Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Sam L
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:08 AM
Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:

That's the thing isn't it? They claim they care for all, they're good people and they DON'T hate anyone but in reality they're HATE-filled and more so than those they accuse of. Hypocrites really.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:09 AM
Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:

You really are a sick fuck to even write such crap just boggles the mind.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM
Hypocrits?
Mauresmo words at the Australian Open, "I was ready to die on the court today".
If Mauresmo was willing to do it, I don't see what the issue is with Justine doing it.

Mauresmo- selfless
Justine- selfish
Mauresmo- in the moment
Justine- always thinking too far ahead

Mauresmo as Molik would oblige to say will "never have to die wondering what would have happened at the Australian Open".

Too long.

She shouldn't have retired.

Sure, so the sadistic tennis commentators, Justine Haters, and columnists could sit and wait for Justine to seriously harm herself so they could bitch again about the "demands of the tour" placed on players causing injury, but completely exonerate themselves of encouraging on-court injury .:rolleyes:

Fucking hypocrites.

They wanted Justine to "kill herself" on-court so Amelie could have a moment in glory. Very selfish and irresponsible.

That's okay. Justine got it back today at the YEC, and her rightful place as the top player.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM
That's the thing isn't it? They claim they care for all, they're good people and they DON'T hate anyone but in reality they're HATE-filled and more so than those they accuse of. Hypocrites really.

:worship: :worship: :worship: :worship: :worship:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:10 AM
Hypocrits?
Mauresmo words at the Australian Open, "I was ready to die on the court today".
If Mauresmo was willing to do it, I don't see what the issue is with Justine doing it.
Mauresmo- selfless
Justine- selfish
Mauresmo- in the moment
Justine- always thinking too far ahead

Mauresmo as Molik would oblige to say will "never have to die wondering what would have happened at the Australian Open".

How naive are you? Don't answer that, we can tell from your posts. :spit:

Action speaks louder than words! Yes she said it ... if push come to shove and she was ill and in awful pain, would she have! We'll never ever know. Perhaps we will one day who knows! Then we'll have proof that she was willing to die on court :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:12 AM
How naive are you? Don't answer that, we can tell from your posts. :spit:

Action speaks louder than words! Yes she said it ... if push come to shove and she was ill and in awful pain, would she have! We'll never ever know. Perhaps we will one day who knows! Then we'll have proof that she was willing to die on court :rolleyes:

Didn't you know?

Amelie has never had to retire during a tennis match. She would have "died" on court rather than do that.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:13 AM
You really are a sick fuck to even write such crap just boggles the mind.

No sicker than someone showing a fat nasty ass in their avatar. ;)

ampers&
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:
Yes, because I criticized a few Justards about their increasing paranoia and whining, you make an ignorant comment regarding the welfare of millions of innocent people. Way to make yourself look like an insensitive moron. Marjorie, you look like a fool as well for laughing at such a remark. But birds of a feather, flock together. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/retardthumb2so.gif

Now I'm going to leave you asshats to continue arguing about it being Justine against the world.
Have fun. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/rollwavey9vs.gif

flyingmachine
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Thanx Swami Marjorie for giving lots of respect to Justine which is unfortunately very rare nowdays.
She did say this will be a transition year for her and what a transition.
I was very depressed when she lost the AO final not because she was losing but the way which happened I also support Amelie so it come very hard on me. I was very please when She won Roland Garros. Winning on a grass tournment and rearching the Wimblendon final proves she can do it on grass not just a clay courter that the haters said about her she's a lot more than that.
Also you have to give Amelie credit that she's the best grass player on tour and since YEC last year she's becoming mentally tougher person so when you play against Amelie on grass it will always be a tough match.
In the ned she won YEC and what a high end for her. I think it will improve her confidence wise on her. I'm also please that the best players are on the final unlike many finals in the past.
Anyway, what a great ending for her you deserves it Justine. :worship:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:15 AM
Sure, so the sadistic tennis commentators, Justine Haters, and columnists could sit and wait for Justine to seriously harm herself so they could bitch again about the "demands of the tour" placed on players causing injury, but completely exonerate themselves of encouraging on-court injury .:rolleyes:

Fucking hypocrites.

They wanted Justine to "kill herself" on-court so Amelie could have a moment in glory. Very selfish and irresponsible.

That's okay. Justine got it back today at the YEC, and her rightful place as the top player.

Again if Mauresmo was willing to die on the court then I don't see an issue with Justine doing the same if she really wanted it.
Kim played at the Australian Open until she could play no more.
Justine played at the Australian Open until the possibility of winning looked bleak.
The 30 minutes she had at the award ceremony could have been used to finish off the match.
She acts as if a tennis player has never vomited on court before.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Read my Lindsay quote to know that what you're saying might not be true.

And who the fuck is Michael whomever?

So explain to me how Lindsay's career deserves it and Justine's doesn't!

Oh shit, I forgot, you're American and any European player who is better than an American player is useless. That's exactly what this is about! :haha:

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:16 AM
Truth hurts trollop.
You know as little about Justine's state of health at that point as everyone else, so get off your high horse please.

She could have played these friggen three games. She didn't, and that's her good right.

I'm not gonna love her for it though. Nope, IMO it was wrong, and your endless sermons and obsessed raving won't change that. :)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Yes, because I criticized a few Justards about their increasing paranoia and whining, you make an ignorant comment regarding the welfare of millions of innocent people. Way to make yourself look like an insensitive moron. Marjorie, you look like a fool as well for laughing at such a remark. But birds of a feather, flock together. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/retardthumb2so.gif

Now I'm going to leave you asshats to continue arguing about it being Justine against the world.
Have fun. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/rollwavey9vs.gif

Sure "Senior Bitch". Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Cry me a river.

You get what you give.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:18 AM
That's the thing isn't it? They claim they care for all, they're good people and they DON'T hate anyone but in reality they're HATE-filled and more so than those they accuse of. Hypocrites really.

Exactly! :yeah:

They think if they show their support for a good cause then their bad karma will be reversed. It don't work like that. Hopefully they'll find out soon enough :haha:

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Sure "Senior Bitch". Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Cry me a river.

You get what you give.
Also, the fact that you join forces with Justine Fan :weirdo: shows that you have absolutely no objectivity in this case.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:20 AM
You really are a sick fuck to even write such crap just boggles the mind.

Nope .... what's the difference between me slagging them off and you slagging someone else off? No difference at all! We're both slagging off humans.

Oh but I forgot, you're American and you wanna show that you love everybody and are very charitable :bs:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Also, the fact that you join forces with Justine Fan :weirdo: shows that you have absolutely no objectivity in this case.

Join forces? Grow up.

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Join forces? Grow up.
Grow up? Get a life.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Exactly! :yeah:

They think if they show their support for a good cause then their bad karma will be reversed. It don't work like that. Hopefully they'll find out soon enough :haha:

Justine's win today and her YE ranking was proof positive and slap in their faces.

Anyone that champions a world cause, yet hates so incessantly is a no-good hypcrite. I wonder if she would be that generous when the holocaust occured?

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Yes, because I criticized a few Justards about their increasing paranoia and whining, you make an ignorant comment regarding the welfare of millions of innocent people. Way to make yourself look like an insensitive moron. Marjorie, you look like a fool as well for laughing at such a remark. But birds of a feather, flock together. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/retardthumb2so.gif

Now I'm going to leave you asshats to continue arguing about it being Justine against the world.
Have fun. http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a220/20010/WTA%20World%20Smilies/rollwavey9vs.gif

God what a fake you are. You post all that :bs: above but you can bitch and hate on people and you have a quote in your sig by the DM. If the DM knew what you were saying on these boards and the hate that you post, I don't think the DM would be pleased with you do you?

Spiritual ... the only spirits you have are in your drinks cabinet!

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:28 AM
Join forces? Grow up.

You disappear for a week and then Enna wins the YEC.

:tape: :lol: :lol:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:28 AM
Grow up? Get a life.

GoDominique

hating Venus and Serena since 2001.

And you tell me to get a life?

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:29 AM
You disappear for a week and then Enna wins the YEC.

:tape: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, the conspiracy of it all. ;)

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Yeah, the conspiracy of it all. ;)

Are you a bigger Maria or Justine fan?

Junex
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:31 AM
Exactly! :yeah:

They think if they show their support for a good cause then their bad karma will be reversed. It don't work like that. Hopefully they'll find out soon enough :haha:

watching too much "My Name is Earl"....... :lol:

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:32 AM
GoDominique

hating Venus and Serena since 2001.

And you tell me to get a life?
Swami_Marjorie

stalking GoDominique since 2001.

Case closed.

SJW
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:33 AM
JHH capped off a fantastic year. Performed amazingly for most of it, and has grown as a player tremendously, if not a sportsman. Great performance today, as well as many throughout the year. Congratulations :yeah:
However, the attitude displayed by a few of her fans leaves a lot to be desired. It's a shame some are not gracious in either victory or defeat, but if they want to show their ass, that's their prerogative. This is not to suggest that all of them behave in such a disturbing manner...the real ones, who choose not to belittle other players' accomplishments to prove a point, are as impressive as ever (you know who you are :)) :yeah:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Nope .... what's the difference between me slagging them off and you slagging someone else off? No difference at all! We're both slagging off humans.

Oh but I forgot, you're American and you wanna show that you love everybody and are very charitable :bs:

Uh Huh. This is what happens when someone hopes Justine wins the YEC and says Justine could sit on her ass for most of the fall and still get to number one.
I still have to listen to your bullshyt.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:34 AM
watching too much "My Name is Earl"....... :lol:

:haha: :haha: Good one!

ROFLMAO!!!!!!

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:36 AM
God what a fake you are. You post all that :bs: above but you can bitch and hate on people and you have a quote in your sig by the DM. If the DM knew what you were saying on these boards and the hate that you post, I don't think the DM would be pleased with you do you?

Spiritual ... the only spirits you have are in your drinks cabinet!

How are you any different?

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:36 AM
Swami_Marjorie

stalking GoDominique since 2001.

Case closed.

Cluck, cluck, cluck. What a chicken you are. Saying case closed because you've no other answer!

GoDominique
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:37 AM
Cluck, cluck, cluck. What a chicken you are. Saying case closed because you've no other answer!
I wasn't talking to you so shut the fuck up, freak.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:39 AM
JHH capped off a fantastic year. Performed amazingly for most of it, and has grown as a player tremendously, if not a sportsman. Great performance today, as well as many throughout the year. Congratulations :yeah:
However, the attitude displayed by a few of her fans leaves a lot to be desired. It's a shame some are not gracious in either victory or defeat, but if they want to show their ass, that's their prerogative. This is not to suggest that all of them behave in such a disturbing manner...the real ones, who choose not to belittle other players' accomplishments to prove a point, are as impressive as ever (you know who you are :)) :yeah:

And you being a Serena fan, you'd sure know about that :lol: :yeah:

SJW
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:41 AM
And you being a Serena fan, you'd sure know about that :lol: :yeah:

Thanks for proving my point for me. :)

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:42 AM
And you being a Serena fan, you'd sure know about that :lol: :yeah:

So now you are having a go at Serena, her fans and somehow you can't see how negative and meanspirited you're being? All the while this thread symbolic lynching Justine received this season.

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:42 AM
The irony: her "injuries" and "fatigues" always came at the good time so she could rest while the other girls were playing tournaments and what a coincidence when big tournies like the YEC or GS and some Tier 1 : by chance, she is totaly fit. The less I do, I become world n°1 though : what a great achievement...

JHH, It's been a long time I don't buy anymore your wannabe injuries, fatigue, ilness : those things just are good excuses to play the less possible and having always a huge advantage at physical shape level so it's easier for you to beat your opponents and winning titles...

JHH is the only one I've ever seen in my 15 years of following tennis using such loser's behaviours.

Keep the badreps coming from the JHH fans or glory hunters : it's up to you to decide

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:43 AM
No matter what Justine accomplishes in and out of tennis, she'll always be short. :ras:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:47 AM
How are you any different?

Duhhhhhhhh?????

I'm not pretending to be Mother Theresa and have a quote from the DM in my sig.

I don't slag off people and speak bad of people and counter-act it with a spiritual action, thinking that the "spiritual action" will take away the bad action. I just do. That's the trouble with these spiritual dumbasses, they think that if they do bad, then they will get forgiveness from their "guru" because they are being all "spiritual" :rolleyes: Pathetic. This is the real world.

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:48 AM
The irony: her "injuries" and "fatigues" always came at the good time so she could rest while the other girls were playing tournaments and what a coincidence when big tournies like the YEC or GS and some Tier 1 : by chance, she is totaly fit. The less I do, I become world nį1 though : what a great achievement...

JHH, It's been a long time I don't buy anymore your wannabe injuries, fatigue, ilness : those things just are good excuses to play the less possible and having always a huge advantage at physical shape level so it's easier for you to beat your opponents and winning titles...

JHH is the only one I've ever seen in my 15 years of following tennis using such loser's behaviours.

Keep the badreps coming from the JHH fans or glory hunters : it's up to you to decide

your post is so unbelievable to me. i am left speechless at the conclusions you draw. your beliefs are 100% just biased INTERPRETATIONS of her behaviour. Truly sad. But there is no point to me even saying this cuz deep in your heart you have to know that you are not at all willing to open your mind or give her a chance. You just sound bitter. And I am sad to see that coming from a Hingis fan cuz I really love Hingis along with Justine.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:49 AM
I wasn't talking to you so shut the fuck up, freak.

But I was talking to you, so shut the fuck up, freak!

How freakish is that, having pictures of two players in your avatar that you hate. Very creepy. But then it's not surprising is it?

See ya! :wavey:

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:49 AM
Duhhhhhhhh?????

I'm not pretending to be Mother Theresa and have a quote from the DM in my sig.

You equate a quote with pretending to be Mother Theresa? If that's the case you and Swami are just as big hypocrites for putting up this thread about the virtues of Justine and then going at other fans and players.

I don't slag off people and speak bad of people and counter-act it with a spiritual action, thinking that the "spiritual action" will take away the bad action. I just do. That's the trouble with these spiritual dumbasses, they think that if they do bad, then they will get forgiveness from their "guru" because they are being all "spiritual" :rolleyes: Pathetic. This is the real world.

This is completely stupid and illogical and fits that you would go down this line of thinking.

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:49 AM
No matter what Justine accomplishes in and out of tennis, she'll always be short. :ras:

well, once again, justine has proven that GOOD THINGS come in SMALL packages. because she is the best!

smiler
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:50 AM
Some JHH fans to love to make martyrs of themselves. Suprise, suprise, here they are picking the fight. It seems they, like Justine, bring it on themselves. Boohoo isn't everybody mean. :rolleyes:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:52 AM
The irony: her "injuries" and "fatigues" always came at the good time so she could rest while the other girls were playing tournaments and what a coincidence when big tournies like the YEC or GS and some Tier 1 : by chance, she is totaly fit. The less I do, I become world nį1 though : what a great achievement...

JHH, It's been a long time I don't buy anymore your wannabe injuries, fatigue, ilness : those things just are good excuses to play the less possible and having always a huge advantage at physical shape level so it's easier for you to beat your opponents and winning titles...

JHH is the only one I've ever seen in my 15 years of following tennis using such loser's behaviours.

Keep the badreps coming from the JHH fans or glory hunters : it's up to you to decide


This won't bode well for becoming a mod .... which you didn't get! :haha: :haha:

Well, Kim had a 2 months rest and Amelie had 10 days rest, so what's the difference?

MARTINA LOST .... DEAL WITH IT!!! :haha: :ras: Oh, sorry, Justine beat her :haha:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:52 AM
well, once again, justine has proven that GOOD THINGS come in SMALL packages. because she is the best!

I'm waiting for the spin on the herpes. :wavey:

SJW
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:52 AM
Duhhhhhhhh?????

I'm not pretending to be Mother Theresa and have a quote from the DM in my sig.

I don't slag off people and speak bad of people and counter-act it with a spiritual action, thinking that the "spiritual action" will take away the bad action. I just do. That's the trouble with these spiritual dumbasses, they think that if they do bad, then they will get forgiveness from their "guru" because they are being all "spiritual" :rolleyes: Pathetic. This is the real world.

What does this have to with what I said? :)

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:53 AM
No matter what Justine accomplishes in and out of tennis, she'll always be short. :ras:

:haha:

No matter what Serena accomplishes she will always have a fat booty! :ras::)

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:55 AM
your post is so unbelievable to me. i am left speechless at the conclusions you draw. your beliefs are 100% just biased INTERPRETATIONS of her behaviour. Truly sad. But there is no point to me even saying this cuz deep in your heart you have to know that you are not at all willing to open your mind or give her a chance. You just sound bitter. And I am sad to see that coming from a Hingis fan cuz I really love Hingis along with Justine.

I ask you this thing, why do you need so much JHH while you have Martina Hingis ? A bit glory hunting in you ? Loyalty towards one champion is the key word of being a true fan.

And yeah, I dislike JHH behaviours : they are not biased, they just are the reality. This is why I dislike her so much and it came to a point of no return. I don't care that much about her game.

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:57 AM
This won't bode well for becoming a mod .... which you didn't get! :haha: :haha:

Well, Kim had a 2 months rest and Amelie had 10 days rest, so what's the difference?

MARTINA LOST .... DEAL WITH IT!!! :haha: :ras: Oh, sorry, Justine beat her :haha:

A little reminding : Even mods are free to say what they think as long the comments are polite.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:57 AM
This is completely stupid and illogical and fits that you would go down this line of thinking.

Care to explain the stupid and illogical bit?

:lol: This I gotta see :lol:

BTW, no bible talk please :rolleyes:

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:00 AM
:haha:

No matter what Serena accomplishes she will always have a fat booty! :ras::)
I certainly hope so. :hearts:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:00 AM
Some JHH fans to love to make martyrs of themselves. Suprise, suprise, here they are picking the fight. It seems they, like Justine, bring it on themselves. Boohoo isn't everybody mean. :rolleyes:

Surprise, surprise, look who turns up! How did I know you'd come to stir shit in the middle of this?

How are you Magnus? :haha:

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:01 AM
well, once again, justine has proven that GOOD THINGS come in SMALL packages. because she is the best!
No, she's proven that small things come in small packages. ;)

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:02 AM
I ask you this thing, why do you need so much JHH while you have Martina Hingis ? A bit glory hunting in you ? Loyalty towards one champion is the key word of being a true fan.

And yeah, I dislike JHH behaviours : they are not biased, they just are the reality. This is why I dislike her so much and it came to a point of no return. I don't care that much about her game.

That's because it's better than Martina's and more powerful.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:03 AM
I'm waiting for the spin on the herpes. :wavey:

Statistics prove that gay males in the US are at a much higher risk of STD's than married straight women. You never can quite ever get rid of Syphillis, Wannabe. Be safe. :wavey:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:04 AM
A little reminding : Even mods are free to say what they think as long the comments are polite.

:spit:

And you think your comments are polite? :haha: :haha:

Everyone knows you hate JHH and the William Sisters. So how can your comments be polite if people know you hate?

Oh dear - that has to be the funniest thing I've read all week! :haha: :haha:

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:06 AM
That's because it's better than Martina's and more powerful.

Don't make me laugh, pls. Finaly you see JHH has becomen a Powertennis player. Your Martina Hingis bashing is plain dumb as you know she came back from very far : I would like to see if JHH can do the same after 3 years of absence : I doubt of it.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:06 AM
Statistics prove that gay males in the US are at a much higher risk of STD's than married straight women. You never can quite ever get rid of Syphillis, Wannabe. Be safe. :wavey:

Or AIDS!!

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:07 AM
:spit:

And you think your comments are polite? :haha: :haha:

Everyone knows you hate JHH and the William Sisters. So how can your comments be polite if people know you hate?

Oh dear - that has to be the funniest thing I've read all week! :haha: :haha:

You can dislike players without abusing them : sometimes I went too far in my comments about the WS and I admited it so don't try to find things to bring me down, It won't work.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:10 AM
You can dislike players without abusing them : sometimes I went too far in my comments about the WS and I admited it so don't try to find things to bring me down, It won't work.

Oh but it has worked .... because you won't get the job as a mod.

IT'S TOO LATE ... YOU HATE JHH AND THE WILLIAM SISTERS and you are still hating on JHH ... see your posts above!

PEOPLE KNOW MARTIAN JEZA HATES ..... how the hell are you gonna be a mod if you HATE?

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:11 AM
Statistics prove that gay males in the US are at a much higher risk of STD's than married straight women. You never can quite ever get rid of Syphillis, Wannabe. Be safe. :wavey:

What no AIDS joke?
You're not as ignorant as I thought Swami_Marjorie/MarJenAll/Julia1960/Wtaworldismylife.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:13 AM
Or AIDS!!

Why. Why did I know you would stoop this low.
Why am I not surprised.
You just continue to hide behind that flag of yours and do or say as many disgusting things as you can possibly think up.

vejh
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:14 AM
This thread started off so beautifully, and now it's in the garbage chute.

For the record, JHH is average height for a women. We're the same height, but she has a few more pds on me :)

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:14 AM
Oh but it has worked .... because you won't get the job as a mod.

IT'S TOO LATE ... YOU HATE JHH AND THE WILLIAM SISTERS and you are still hating on JHH ... see your posts above!

PEOPLE KNOW MARTIAN JEZA HATES ..... how the hell are you gonna be a mod if you HATE?

I know what it is to be moderator of a forum or a chatbox : rules are the same for everyone : I NEVER make distinction ( spelling ? )

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:15 AM
I ask you this thing, why do you need so much JHH while you have Martina Hingis ? A bit glory hunting in you ? Loyalty towards one champion is the key word of being a true fan.

And yeah, I dislike JHH behaviours : they are not biased, they just are the reality. This is why I dislike her so much and it came to a point of no return. I don't care that much about her game.

You didn't get IT straight.

Glory Hunting = Wannabe Haters Applying To Be A Mod

.ivy.
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:16 AM
Great post, Swami.

As a Justine fan, it was hard to deal with all the criticism surrounding her after January. Even watching tennis was hard because the commentators were all against her, but now it's TREMENDOUSLY satisfying to watch all the haters and critics eat their words.

ALLEZ 2007!

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:16 AM
I know what it is to be moderator of a forum or a chatbox : rules are the same for everyone : I NEVER make distinction ( spelling ? )

Stop lying. You might have moderated a forum that you created, but you've never earned that designation based upon your participation in a forum that you yourself don't own. :rolleyes:

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:17 AM
You didn't get IT straight.

Glory Hunting = Wannabe Haters Applying for Mods

I don't think you get it, I'm afraid...

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:19 AM
What no AIDS joke?
You're not as ignorant as I thought Swami_Marjorie/MarJenAll/Julia1960/Wtaworldismylife.

What's wrong, Wannabe?

You make out of line comments referring to Justine and Herpes..and when I remind you about the reality of STD's, you now cry???

Your Auntie Mame "whoa is me" victim bullshit is transparent.

You get what you give.

vogus
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:20 AM
this story is too embellished for my tastes and there are the all too familiar refrains of the JHH and her fans' "i am the poor, poor little victim" sob story. Get over it already. Henin is a multimillionaire. She is not a victim.

More briefly: Henin had a great year. She proved, for anybody who might have doubted it, that she is a great player on all surfaces. In retrospect, her retirement at the AO was probably blown out of proportion, but it still was not a very classy move. Nothing Henin did subsequently in '06 changes that fact.

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Stop lying. You might have moderated a forum that you created, but you've never earned that designation based upon your participation in a forum that you yourself don't own. :rolleyes:

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's right ... he's most probably moderated his own forum, but can you imagine if he moderated a large tennis forum, where some of the fans were JHH and William Sisters fans? :haha: :haha:

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:20 AM
Stop lying. You might have moderated a forum that you created, but you've never earned that designation based upon your participation in a forum that you yourself don't own. :rolleyes:

This is hilarious : Lying about myself : Such thing is not in my way of living, I've to disappoint you there...

faste5683
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:22 AM
No, she's proven that small things come in small packages. ;)

:haha:

...and collect HUGE paychecks...

:wavey:

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:22 AM
What's wrong, Wannabe?

You make out of line comments referring to Justine and Herpes..and when I remind you about the reality of STD's, you now cry???

Your Auntie Mame "whoa is me" victim bullshit is transparent.

You get what you give.

I gave you a compliment you moron. :rolleyes:

Justine Fan
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:22 AM
What's wrong, Wannabe?

You make out of line comments referring to Justine and Herpes..and when I remind you about the reality of STD's, you now cry???

Your Auntie Mame "whoa is me" victim bullshit is transparent.

You get what you give.

:yeah:

cry me a river :bigcry: :bigcry:

:lol: :lol:

flyingmachine
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:26 AM
Justine won YEC 2006 end of story!

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:31 AM
So now you are having a go at Serena, her fans and somehow you can't see how negative and meanspirited you're being? All the while this thread symbolic lynching Justine received this season.

You equate a quote with pretending to be Mother Theresa? If that's the case you and Swami are just as big hypocrites for putting up this thread about the virtues of Justine and then going at other fans and players.

This is completely stupid and illogical and fits that you would go down this line of thinking.

Actually, if you look back in the thread, the mention of Serena/Venus didn't appear until one of their more "valiant" fans decided to spew a few lines of hatred, then return to the fund drive for Dufar.

It was other fans that decided to enter this thread and attack Justine, just like the rabid animals did back in January.

When rabid animals attack, you can either run, or kick them in the face. I don't run that fast, so I'll just kick them in the teeth.

IceHock
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:35 AM
Justine had a great year, she deserves to end it number 1, but sometimes I wonder what goes through her head. At the AO, I remember after winning her SF she said she was 100% fine, then she retires in the final from stomach pain. Is this the same girl who who played past midnight against capriati at the USO then played the final the next day and won? When she withdrew from fed cup that was fine with me, you could tell she was hurting bad, the girl has alot of talent but I think she could have made some better decisions in the past. I mean if she continued the AO final, Amelie might have choked, you just never know, but great year from the belgian and I wish her many great ones to come.

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:36 AM
Actually, if you look back in the thread, the mention of Serena/Venus didn't appear until one of their more "valiant" fans decided to spew a few lines of hatred, then return to the fund drive for Dufar.

It was other fans that decided to enter this thread and attack Justine, just like the rabid animals did back in January.

When rabid animals attack, you can either run, or kick them in the face. I don't run that fast, so I'll just kick them in the teeth.

:yawn:

Justards :weirdo:
Cry me a fucking river.:bigcry::baby:

Stop complaining and be happy. She won the YEC, had a great year, is a great player, but the criticism she received earlier this year was justly deserved. She copped out, plain and simple. The end. Get over it.

___________


What did the above have to do with Serena or Venus? Do you argue the poster or the subject? Because this thread, started by you, was about Justine.

It seems you and the others didn't have an argument to counter it so you took the easiest and rather simple route of attacking the player the poster was a fan of. You and yours brought up Serena/Venus. I'm sure you have enough violence left in you to kick yourself since part of being rabid and an animal is exhibiting irrational concepts of which you did perfectly.

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:37 AM
:haha:

...and collect HUGE paychecks...

:wavey:
.....which Pierre-Yves spends on men's blouses. ;)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:38 AM
Amelie might have choked

I've commented about the "choke" issue many times before.

When you lose a tennis match in straight sets, it isn't a "choke."

Textbook "choking" is when you have a sizable lead and lose that match. That didn't happen today.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:39 AM
.....which Pierre-Yves spends on men's blouses. ;)

So, you've shown disrespect towards Justine's husband. However, its not going to change today's result and the fact Justine ended the year #1. :wavey:

What a retard.

IceHock
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:39 AM
I've commented about the "choke" issue many times before.

When you lose a tennis match in straight sets, it isn't a "choke."

Textbook "choking" is when you have a sizable lead and lose that match. That didn't happen today.


I was talking about the AO final,which justifies your first part of the last sentence.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:41 AM
.....which Pierre-Yves spends on men's blouses. ;)

Wait now if you say that, that means you must think every man is gay because there obviously aren't any gay signs about Pierre-Yves.
He's all man according to Swami over there. :tape:

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:41 AM
So, you've shown disrespect towards Justine's husband. However, its not going to change today's result and the fact Justine ended the year #1. :wavey:

What a retard.
Me or Pierre? ;)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:47 AM
:yawn:

Justards :weirdo:
Cry me a fucking river.:bigcry::baby:

Stop complaining and be happy. She won the YEC, had a great year, is a great player, but the criticism she received earlier this year was justly deserved. She copped out, plain and simple. The end. Get over it.

___________


What did the above have to do with Serena or Venus? Do you argue the poster or the subject? Because this thread, started by you, was about Justine.

It seems you and the others didn't have an argument to counter it so you took the easiest and rather simple route of attacking the player the poster was a fan of. You and yours brought up Serena/Venus. I'm sure you have enough violence left in you to kick yourself since part of being rabid and an animal is exhibiting irrational concepts of which you did perfectly.

I don't recall ever inviting anyone into this thread for making disparaging remarks about Justine or her fans.

However, the rabid animals came, just as they did in January. They insulted, cajoled and otherwise inflamed discussions, just like Mich and Wannabe started.

Bottom line, if you are going to be trollish enough to attack Justine or any other player, then you can never be immune to similar things being said about your own favorite. You get what you give. And when you begin to tolerate trolls like that, then they have a way of dominating discussions.....

Defending trolls that enter threads with the intention of attacking others says more about you than the fake "high road" you attempted to portray. As a small and bitter bloc of Williams fans, your problem is that there are people that defend Justine, which is what you are really whining about.

Hand.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Me or Pierre? ;)

Serena's #1 Hater of course ;)

Swoop.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Wait now if you say that, that means you must think every man is gay because there obviously aren't any gay signs about Pierre-Yves.
He's all man according to Swami over there. :tape:

Well, until you go down on Pierre-Yves, then him being gay is just another one of your gay fantasies.;)

darrinbaker00
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:52 AM
I don't recall ever inviting anyone into this thread for making disparaging remarks about Justine or her fans.

However, the rabid animals came, just as they did in January. They insulted, cajoled and otherwise inflamed discussions, just like Mich and Wannabe started.

Bottom line, if you are going to be trollish enough to attack Justine or any other player, then you can never be immune to similar things being said about your own favorite. You get what you give. And when you begin to tolerate trolls like that, then they have a way of dominating discussions.....

Defending trolls that enter threads with the intention of attacking others says more about you than the fake "high road" you attempted to portray.
Relax, Marjorie. Justine is #1. She put an extra $1 million in her pocket today. What difference does it make what knuckleheads like me say on an Internet message board? You need to have your prescription for chill pills refilled. ;)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:57 AM
Relax, Marjorie. Justine is #1. She put an extra $1 million in her pocket today. What difference does it make what knuckleheads like me say on an Internet message board? You need to have your prescription for chill pills refilled. ;)

Oh, you just really don't know me, now do you???;)

Mother Marjorie has had tons of fun. We've discussed STD's, gay fantasies, avatar asses, blouses, tennis commentators, Dufar, and conspiracies! What's not fun about that?:wavey:

Dunlop1
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:09 AM
I needed to get this off my chest, because I felt as though it needed to be said.

Now that the 2006 WTA Season is complete and the women have let their racquets speak for themselves, I think it is very appropriate to revisit the lynching of Justine Henin-Hardenne in January 2006 and her reply to the tennis world this season.

Never before in the Open Era has any player recieved such criticism over an injury withdrawl from a Grand Slam tournament as Justine Henin-Hardenne did at the 2006 Australian Open Finals. She was ingesting anti-inflammatory medication for a shoulder injury when she began cramping during the AO finals. Justine retired during that match because she couldn't distinguish between the cramping from the medication she was taking, or an abdominal injury.

As a result, she was overly and harshly criticized by other WTA players, the sports media, tennis columnists and commentators. It was a modern-day lynching of a tennis player that was steadfast in her defense, which she believed.

Some said she retired because she knew she was losing badly, completely ignoring the fact that Justine is the biggest fighter in the WTA. Some said she was attempting to "take away Amelie's moment" of winning her first grand slam title, ignoring the fact Justine had never before or since retired from a Grand Slam final. Some even said as a result of her withdrawl during the AO final, Justine would never again be able to win a Grand Slam tournament, that she would be mentally beaten by her withdrawl, ignoring Justine's canny ability to fight back from a virus, the death of her mother and reptitive injuries.

Justine's response? The truth. And if Justine wasn't being honest about her withdrawl, she might well have been mentally beaten, to the point of not being able to perform well in the majors and other tournaments. However, Justine didn't fight back with words, she used her racquet.

The next grand slam tournament, French Open, she won without dropping a set, and put her in a position to be only the third woman in tennis history to win three French Open Championships in a row. Her win even prompted an apology from Pam Shriver who questioned Justine's withdrawl from the AO finals. Her critics said it was to be expected that Justine would win on a slower surface. She brought children battling cancer that participated in her Circle of Winners to watch her in that final, and the upcoming Wimbledon Championships.

Next, she made it to the finals of Wimbledon, of which she lost once again to Amelie, but it was 6-4 in the third. Many said Justine couldn't play well on a fast surface. She once again proved them wrong by winning a grass-court tune up to Wimbledon.

Then, she makes it to the finals of the US Open, a fast hardcourt tournament and was soundly defeated by Maria.

Justine made it to the finals of all four Grand Slam tournaments, winning one. She made it to the finals of Fed Cup, winning all of her indoor matches. She won on all four surfaces, including the YEC of which she soundly defeated Amelie and regained the #1 ranking. She had the best record of any player, won more tournaments than any other WTA player and became the first player since Seles to make it to the finals of all GS tournaments and the YEC.

It is obvious that Justine sent a strong message to the tennis world and all that cruely admonished her in January of 2006. She is not only the best fighter in the WTA, but ended the year the best player in the WTA and the YEC, defeating the woman whose GS final in January stirred animosity towards Justine.

It always appeared as if Justine was out to prove something this year. Not only to herself, but to the tennis world that easily and without a thought, attempted to cast her into the depths of tennis hell. She did this without negatively talking about it...rather, she used her tennis to prove otherwise.

Not only did Justine throw every word of negativity about her in Janurary back in the faces of the tennis world, but used their negativity to rise to the top of the tennis world and #1 ranking for 2006. Not only did she prove that she was the best in 2006, but that she isn't going away anytime soon.

The irony is startling. Justine had the last laugh. And so did her fans ;)

allez!

I'll let emoticons speak for me:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

treufreund
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:30 AM
I ask you this thing, why do you need so much JHH while you have Martina Hingis ? A bit glory hunting in you ? Loyalty towards one champion is the key word of being a true fan.

And yeah, I dislike JHH behaviours : they are not biased, they just are the reality. This is why I dislike her so much and it came to a point of no return. I don't care that much about her game.

I don't NEED Justine or Martina. I love their game, am a big fan of both and love their spirit. They both inspire me. I love Justine's integrity, her drive, her unwillingness to let others who judge her to deter her. I love Martina's frivolity, her talent, her smile. Both are just wonderful IMO. I don't have space for just one player in my heart. I have plenty of space in my heart for justine and martina both. :)

Stamp Paid
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:35 AM
I thought penicillin got rid of syphillis?

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:36 AM
This thread needs to be closed and shut down. The latest and greatest alliance (Justine Fan and Swami) is trolling and attacking members of WTA WORLD. Alert, alert.

Mods! :worship:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:50 AM
This thread needs to be closed and shut down. The latest and greatest alliance (Justine Fan and Swami) is trolling and attacking members of WTA WORLD. Alert, alert.

Mods! :worship:

You are just upset because you had a thread closed not long ago.

Besides, you try and get any thread closed down in which something positive about Justine is stated.

Its just part of your participatory WTAWorld Playbook

Ryan
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:56 AM
Barf.

kabuki
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:01 AM
Wow, drama.

Congrats to JHH on a fantastic year, but I seriously doubt that said year will change anyone's mind one way or the other.

MCM
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:16 AM
I liked reading your post Swami Marjorie, and it must have felt good to get that off of your chest!

As a fan, watching the AO final was heartbreaking and devastating for me. However, seeing her joy today was great.

I've tried to look at this issue from both sides, and I can see where the feeling of a match point for the first time in a major final is priceless. While Amelie never got that, she did get to have great moments at the end of the 2005 YEC and 2006 Wimbledon, which she deserved. She seems to be a really great lady from what I've seen, and 2006 was a great year for her as well.

Honestly, I don't think Justine would lie about her ailment in the AO final, but I do think her past injuries could have spooked her a bit when out there feeling something painful, yet unknown. Reading how she descibed her condition, in conjuction with what I've read from my coursework, I don't think the sensation she felt was like something one would feel before vomiting or with a normal stomach ache. From reading many posts and listening to many comments on the issue, I think this is a common misconception. To the best of my ability (and a little is reading between the lines), what she likely felt was a pain similar to a servere form of dyspepsia (somewhat similar to a heartburn-like pain I guess; I haven't really felt this before, so this is based on what i've read only). NSAID's (what I expect Justine was taking for anti-inflammatories) are acids, and what Justine stated was that she took extra anti-inflammatories to compensate for her shoulder pain. If I remember correctly, it was during the Sromova match in round 2 that she was in a lot pain due to her shoulder. That was when the anti-inflammatories came in, and I've heard her state that she ended up taking a lot of them. It would have been very unwise to take extra, as negative side-effects generally depend on the dose taken (especially in a person of her small size). This very action is a common cause of many hospitalizations and fatalities, and when I asked one of my professors about this, she said many physicians are now cutting back on prescribing NSAID's and the the doses necessary in effort to combat that.

Some may not agree with me, and honestly, I totally respect that. :wavey: :wavey: This is how I see the situation, and I believe in my heart that Justine was being honest. I guess one's view on her honesty is key in one's view on the rest of my post.

Anyway, I think some great and interesting comments have been made here, and it made for a good read.

Justine finished the year in great style and was very consistent the whole time. Congratulations, and I can't wait for 2007. Let's hope for less injuries all the way aound!!:) :)

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:19 AM
This thread needs to be closed and shut down. The latest and greatest alliance (Justine Fan and Swami) is trolling and attacking members of WTA WORLD. Alert, alert.

Mods! :worship:

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Content_Boxes/Homepage_Featured/2006_11_12_Henin_main.jpg

http://www.leehotti.com/images/store/big/pwned.jpg

Martian Jeza
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:23 AM
Barf.


Typical Ryan's reaction :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

vejh
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:25 AM
You are very correct MCM. And it bugs me a lot when commentators say she retired with a 'stomach bug' or 'stomach cramps'.lol. Why are people so content in being ignorant? Overdosing on NSAIDS usually give GI probs and bleeding...that's basic science. And usually a histamine blocker is given if professionally adviced. Obviously JHH, took matters in her own hands and she did get a peptic ulcer because of it. Now something else she has to do in her career is get a food expert who can help JHH manage her diet to suit her new stomach problems. This is all public knowledge btw.

And I beg to differ with the person who said JHH's great yr hasn't changed anyone's mind one way or the other.

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:04 AM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedImages/Content_Boxes/Homepage_Featured/2006_11_12_Henin_main.jpg

http://www.leehotti.com/images/store/big/pwned.jpg

JuJu looks gorgeous, and as I mentioned before she is the true number one in the world and the best player this year.

I have no ill-will towards Enna. It's not my fault she may leave the game in two years :tape:

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:06 AM
JuJu looks gorgeous, and as I mentioned before she is the true number one in the world and the best player this year.

I have no ill-will towards Enna. It's not my fault she may leave the game in two years :tape:

http://www.tennis.com/uploadedimages/NNTP_Photos/55387_SPAIN_TENNIS_WTA_CHAMPIONSHIPS.sff.jpg

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:09 AM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedimages/NNTP_Photos/55387_SPAIN_TENNIS_WTA_CHAMPIONSHIPS.sff.jpg

:hearts: :drool: :drool: :hearts: :worship:

I love me some JuJu.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:11 AM
:hearts: :drool: :drool: :hearts: :worship:

I love me some JuJu.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20061109/henin_53520.jpg

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:13 AM
:hearts: :drool: :drool: :hearts: :worship:

I love me some JuJu.

http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20061112/henin_44825.jpg

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:13 AM
http://images.tsn.ca/images/stories/20061109/henin_53520.jpg

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/D20060621/2506_654624580_justine_henin_wedding_iv_H184428_L. jpg

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:16 AM
http://www.fuzzysignal.com/tennis/before/justine-henin-hardenne.jpg

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:23 AM
http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/ratner-williams.jpg

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:45 AM
http://www.defamer.com/hollywood/ratner-williams.jpg

http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/ten/2006/0127/photo/g_aussie_195.jpg

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:48 AM
http://espn-att.starwave.com/media/ten/2006/0127/photo/g_aussie_195.jpg

http://www.algorithm.cs.sunysb.edu/heatmap/pictures/PERSON/Serena%20Williams.gif

spencercarlos
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:49 AM
http://www.tennis.com/uploadedimages/NNTP_Photos/55387_SPAIN_TENNIS_WTA_CHAMPIONSHIPS.sff.jpg
Omg Henin looks like a man so much in this pic IMO...

Anyway congrats on a great year, very deserved and world champion without a doubt :)

RenaSlam.
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:52 AM
http://www.algorithm.cs.sunysb.edu/heatmap/pictures/PERSON/Serena%20Williams.gif

http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/ACFSCAB6aW4v.JPG

Dunlop1
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:58 AM
:lol: at Swami and renaslam

G1Player2
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:59 AM
RenaSlam588, I sent you a PM but no response :(

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:07 AM
:lol: at Swami and renaslam

That's the way we communicate.

Ain't it nice.

Mother_Marjorie
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:11 AM
http://media.apn.co.nz/webcontent/image/jpg/ACFSCAB6aW4v.JPG

http://socialitelife.com/images/swmint04.jpg

Williams Rulez
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:19 AM
A lot of that criticism came from fans like Williams fans. Where are their favourites now? :lol:

Anyway, way to go Justine. Great thread, Swami!!

oh shut the fuck up. u are a bloody retard so obsessed with the williams you bring them into a thread tt has got nothing to do with them

Iacobus
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:40 AM
Since it has been brought up again, my thoughts about the AO retirement:

1. Justine was down a set against Davenport in the QF, but she came back and won the match. Justine was down a set against Sharapova in the SF, but she came back and won the match. And people here seriously think she retired in her first Grand Slam final since RG the year before because she had lost the first set and thought she couldn't win? :tape:

2. There are people in this thread who've stated that Justine fans don't know just how bad Justine was feeling, and that only Justine knows. If that's the case though, why are these same people assuming that she was well enough to continue playing? Have a subjective opinion about Justine if you want and make biased assumptions all you want, but don't try to present it as the truth. The truth of the matter is that people are exactly right in that only Justine knows Justine's body. As someone mentioned, Justine has had to change the way she approaches food since developing the ulcer after the AO, and the truth is that overdosing on anti-inflammatories can cause internal bleeding, not a "stomach bug." Clearly, she knew her body well and did the right thing by retiring.

(As someone who tries to avoid taking even small doses of anti-inflammatories or medications in general when he's in pain because it completely messes with his digestive system for days and merely creates a whole lot of intestinal pain instead, I can only imagine what JHH was going through if she had upped her dosage from the normal amount.)

3. People are saying Justine's retirement wasn't classy, but what would have been classy? For her to stand on court for four more games, pretend to play, risk further internal damage, obviously tank the match, play against Amelie in a way that made it clear it wasn't the usual JHH out there, and then mention in her post-match press conference that she was dealing with so much intestinal pain that she wasn't even really playing her game out there?

The same people critical of her now would still criticize her for "trying to take away from Amelie's win." She was in a damned-if-I-do, damned-if-I-don't situation, and she clearly decided that if she was damned either way she was going to put her health first.

- - -

Finally, the thinly veiled homophobic :bs: and the oversensitive reactions from some of the Justine fans here is ridiculous. I love Justine too, but some people really need to get over themselves.

Billy Moonshine
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:43 AM
Methinks JHH fans are a little overdefensive. Sure she gets lots of criticism but the hand incident was unsportsmanlike and the retirement in the AO final could be considered as such too. All she had to do was get thru 20 more points and let Amelie close it out. Anyway I don't want to go on about that, it's been done to death. I just came here to point out she is not beyond criticism just because she is a fighter and her hardcore fans should give it a rest on the JHH Sainthood campaign they seem to be raging.
BTW, JHH is not the only person in the world to lose a mother as a child and survive. In fact, all the ones I know would be horrified if other people used it as a reason to praise them. If anything, from my experience, survivors don't want their pasts or handicaps to be used as a reason to like or validate them.

Billy Moonshine
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:53 AM
Shame you wrote the first couple of lines. I was gonna donate to Darfur ... not now I won't! :ras:

Cry me a fucking river ... :bigcry: :bigcry:

U r sick.

Billy Moonshine
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:55 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

U r sick 2.

A situation like Darfur should not be joked about. If JHH knew she had fans like you, I think she would be ashamed.

MistyGrey
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:40 AM
:bigclap: Justine!

Ben.
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:52 AM
justine did have the last laugh :yeah: she came out on top of everyone & reached all finals that have a lot of prestige. what a champion :worship:

sux shit haters :p

MistyGrey
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:10 AM
And it feels great to have the last laugh! ;)
:lol:

Melly Flew Us
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:45 AM
...When rabid animals attack ...

you are just 'getting what you give'.

you and justin fan both. should have better things to do with your time. but no.

justine has had a great year, has capped it off really well. but the start was crap. no denying that.

The Crow
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:53 AM
If you can't have a discussion without insulting oneanother, don't have one at all.