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Nicolas
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:44 PM
They used to be great players, winning big titles and ranked in top5.

They are 25 now and are seriously challenged by the new generation.

Dementieva have the best year, earning a spot in YEC, but her results are really inconsistent..... (Myskina's are worse though....)

So, do you think they can carry on winning big titles?

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:45 PM
They weren't even top players this year or any other year

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:46 PM
They weren't even top players this year or any other year
They ended 2004 as #2 and #4.

Nicolas
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:47 PM
They ended 2004 as #2 and #4.

Right Golden.... Can they reach again those ranks?

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:49 PM
They ended 2004 as #2 and #4.

Incredible isn't it. Only one major won between the two and look at those rankings. It just goes to show how inadequate a player can be today to make the top ten........

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:52 PM
They ended 2004 as #2 and #4.

I should add...I personally don't see either Dementieva or Myskina as "top" players

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Right Golden.... Can they reach again those ranks?I think they can be in the YEC mix, like Lena was this year, but to be in the top 5, they have to stay healthy.
Lena got injured in Stuttgart, and didn't win a match after Moscow.

Robbie.
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Well Dementieva is technically still a top player, being entrenched in the top 10 since 2003. She has finished top 8 the last couple of years and been ranked higher than that during that time period as well.

Myskina hasnt been in the top 10 for the last two years. So she's in a different situation.

I will say we get much more of the same next year. Dementieva will continue to be top 10, looking like a #1 at different times of the year but never consistent enough to be a top 5 fixture. Myskina will continue to be a cut below the elite, which is really what she has always been except for 1 year.

Nicolas
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:55 PM
I should add...I personally don't see either Dementieva or Myskina as "top" players

They were top players, you can't deny

AaronJoyB
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:57 PM
Elena D!

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:59 PM
Myskina has been replaced by Chakvetadze in my book.
Myskina's shots are becoming extremely predictable.
The rule to be in the top 10 in this era is, beat enough top Russians consistently and you're there.
Myskina has lost her dominance of the top Russians and I don't see her getting it back.

Dementieva knows what she has to do but at this time in her career, the WTA has become her own personal hell.
Where she needs to perform well, she underperforms but she's been in the top 10 the longest of any player other than Mauresmo.
If she leaves the top ten though, I don't see her coming back.

I think practicing in NYC will help and I think we could actually see a different Dementieva by Janurary.

Danči Dementia
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:01 PM
Dementieva of course

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:03 PM
They were top players, you can't deny

I can’t deny what? The rankings…..Those rankings have little if any merit in my eyes. I don’t need some WTA Tour aficionado to tell me which players are great, good and above/below average....In my eyes the likes of Dementieva and Myskina don’t hold a candle compared to the likes of Henin, Clijsters, Sharapova, Mauresmo, Serena, Venus, Lindsay, Capriati, who are/were “Top” players.....I would categorize them as “also-rans” and what it said on many of my school reports “Could have done better”....if you think they are "top" players.....fair enough

Nicolas
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:04 PM
Myskina has been replaced by Chakvetadze in my book.
Myskina's shots are becoming extremely predictable.
The rule to be in the top 10 in this era is, beat enough top Russians consistently and you're there.
Myskina has lost her dominance of the top Russians and I don't see her getting it back.

Dementieva knows what she has to do but at this time in her career, the WTA has become her own personal hell.
Where she needs to perform well, she underperforms but she's been in the top 10 the longest of any player other than Mauresmo.
If she leaves the top ten though, I don't see her coming back.

I think practicing in NYC will help and I think we could actually see a different Dementieva by Janurary.

Good analysis :)

mirzalover
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:05 PM
I think myskina could get back to the top ten if she were a tad bit more aggressive like she was in 2004 some of 2005 and when she played Justine in the Eastbourne final

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:10 PM
I think practicing in NYC will help and I think we could actually see a different Dementieva by Janurary.

Practicing what? Kamasutra? Sure, it will be different Dementieva then..

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I think myskina could get back to the top ten if she were a tad bit more aggressive like she was in 2004 some of 2005 and when she played Justine in the Eastbourne final

That's a good point which many tennis fans ask frequently concerning Myskina.....why doesn't she play like she did at Eastbourne more often....instead of turning up on court like she's practising to be Patty Schnyders body double

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:12 PM
It's hard to figure out Myskina.
She ended 2004 as #2, and that was a year when she played Hopman Cup and every Fed Cup tie, I think 4 that year.
That's a lot of tennis with no points.
She was ITF POY.

I know her mom got sick, but her dropoff has surprised me.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Practicing what? Kamasutra? Sure, it will be different Dementieva then..

I think she's actually going to get the help she needs in NYC.
Everything she needs is at her disposal there mentally, physically, and emotionally.

Danči Dementia
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:18 PM
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Danči Dementia
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:20 PM
sorry I got confuse of thread.................nothing to do with this ...sorry

Billabong
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:22 PM
I hope so much Nastya can get her confidence back:sad:

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:23 PM
It's hard to figure out Myskina.
She ended 2004 as #2, and that was a year when she played Hopman Cup and every Fed Cup tie, I think 4 that year.
That's a lot of tennis with no points.
She was ITF POY.

I know her mom got sick, but her dropoff has surprised me.

Nastya is what they call a "confidence player".. Her game is much more mental than just about anyone's game (this side of Hingis, of course ). When she has her confidence , her senses get so sharp, that her anticipation is unparalleled and she has such a surreal feel of the game that it really redefines both concepts of defense and counterpunching. But for that, everything has to click. Body, mind, confidence. And when it does, she can have long periods of very good, consistent results and her rankings skirocket. But when even one of those components falls off, and she is just another Top 20. She just needs to find away from her confidence hole, somehow build it up, and , I am sure , she is well capable of winning a Slam or two.

With Lena, unfortunately, it is different. She very often has a very good day and can play a stunning match against top notch opposition, but she almost never has a really good week.. It is amazing that she got as far as she did with what she has.

JulesVerne
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:23 PM
Well Dementieva is technically still a top player, being entrenched in the top 10 since 2003. She has finished top 8 the last couple of years and been ranked higher than that during that time period as well.

Myskina hasnt been in the top 10 for the last two years. So she's in a different situation.

I will say we get much more of the same next year. Dementieva will continue to be top 10, looking like a #1 at different times of the year but never consistent enough to be a top 5 fixture. Myskina will continue to be a cut below the elite, which is really what she has always been except for 1 year.

She will not rank higher until she resolves her serving issues,

ys
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:24 PM
I think she's actually going to get the help she needs in NYC.
Everything she needs is at her disposal there mentally, physically, and emotionally.

What kind of help? What exactly can she get in NYC in November/December, that she can not get elsewhere?

Filippo-Nastya
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:28 PM
Lena won't lose her place in the top 10, I'm sure. I wish her all the best (except when she play against Nastya, obviously :lol: ), she is so nice and so polite...:)
As regard Nastya, she needs to stay healthy and to be more lucky than in the last 2 years. She won only 9 matches in 2005 before Wimbledon because of the illness of her mother and she has won only 4 matches this year after Wimbledon because of a foot injury. Despite all these problems she is still #16, not bad. Things can only be better for her next year. Come on Nastya!

this is me
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:31 PM
sorry I got confuse of thread.................nothing to do with this ...sorry

:lol:

morningglory
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:43 PM
whaddya mean "continue" ? :help:
Myskina a top player his year? I don't think so :help:
Elena will stay securely top 10 I think.

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:45 PM
Lena won't lose her place in the top 10, I'm sure. I wish her all the best (except when she play against Nastya, obviously :lol: ), she is so nice and so polite...:)
As regard Nastya, she needs to stay healthy and to be more lucky than in the last 2 years. She won only 9 matches in 2005 before Wimbledon because of the illness of her mother and she has won only 4 matches this year after Wimbledon because of a foot injury. Despite all these problems she is still #16, not bad. Things can only be better for her next year. Come on Nastya!Still, Nastya played a lot of mediocre tennis since 2005 started.
She was always streaky, but a lot of moments were real good.

Derek.
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:03 PM
I'll start with Nastya.

First of all, she needs to get rid of the blonde hair. :help:

She needs to try to be more agressive with her groundstrokes and her serve. In 2004 she was hitting with deceptive power and her serve was in the low 100s. Nowadays her serve is in the 70s and 80s as a first serve and she seems to be pushing the ball in the court. Then other times she goes for too much. That's not going to work. She really needs to find some consistency. It's going to be hard for her to get back into the top ten with players like Vaidisova, Ivanovic, Jankovic, Chakvetadze, etc. all battling for it as well. I think she can do it though. :)

For Demementieva I think she's going to slowly start to decline unless she fixes her serve. It'd be weird not to see her in the top 10, but I wouldn't be that surprised.

frenchie
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:05 PM
Nastya you're such a surprizing player that's why I love you!!:worship: :kiss:

Her only problem is a lack of motivation IMO (as I said it numerous times):rolleyes:
Her game is better than Dementieva. She can do so much with the ball!!

Watch some of her matches from 2003 or 2004 and you'll see she has a lot of talent. Poeple tend to forget how great she was playing!!
Since 2005, she shows that talent only 2 games/match (except Eastbourne this year) That's the problem!!

goldenlox
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:14 PM
I haven't forgotten how well Nastya can play.
When she left Wimbledon this year, I was expecting a huge summer and fall.
But nothing happened

fammmmedspin
Nov 12th, 2006, 10:25 PM
Dementieva is top ten because she is better than the people behind her. Its no use saying a lot of retired (in fact if not word) players are better.She's also better than some in front of her when she is at her 2004 consistency level and her serve has a good week.

Myskina is still better on her day than anyone still playing not called Momo, Justine or Kim or on the right surface Maria . Her problem is that she hasn't had her day often in 2006 and had injuries when she was getting it back. As her days come and go unpredictably when they do or don't come, anything could happen in 2007. With Patty playing less well than in 2005, Dinara and Elena and Sveta inconsistent, Kim retiring, no Americans in the top 20, Momo still breakdown prone, Justine liable to collapse and most of the youngsters inconsistent there is plenty of room in the top 10 and plenty of possibilities taht teh people nastya had trouble with will be taken out by players she can beat,.

UDACHi
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:47 AM
nastya isn't a top player right now.
elena will probably have her fourth straight season of hanging around in the bottom half of the top ten.

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:28 AM
nastya isn't a top player right now.
elena will probably have her fourth straight season of hanging around in the bottom half of the top ten.Myskina was good on the grass this year, then she had an injury.

Julian
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:07 AM
When Nastya was playing well she was consistent and confident.

She knew exactly where the ball was going and what to do with it. She knew when to go for the offensive.

I havent seen her play that much this year but i believe it does have to do with lack of motivation, and there are a lot more youngsters eager to replace her.

Back then her motivation was to be the leader of the Russians..

Lena is simple. HER SERVE

SIN DIOS NI LEY
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:05 AM
1400 points for being top 10 .

Hehe , too easy for Elena .

angiee3
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:13 AM
well. i love both..
but always nastya will me my #1..

so i really hope to see them both as top player next year.... or sometime in the soon future..!

selyoink
Nov 13th, 2006, 05:11 AM
Nastya hasn't been a top player for 2 years now so she can't continue to be a top player. She can become one again. But I'm pretty confident that won't happen again. I'd be so happy if she proved me wrong but slumps don't last 2 years.

Lena will stay in the top 10 I believe but her window of opportunity in winning a slam is coming near an end.

Slumpsova
Nov 13th, 2006, 06:56 AM
i don't think either of them will next year. with her lately performance, Dementieva possibly fall out of top ten too :scared:

Ben.
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:15 AM
at the moment dementieva looks 2 me like she will stay the top 10 for at least another year where as myskina will still be a floater between the top 20 & the top 30.

i love watching nastya play even though i haven't seen a lot of her matches. i watched her play in eastbourne against sveta & a bit against justine & she was at her absolute best hitting her groundies 2 perfection with agression, taking the ball early & placing it really well with her excellent consistency as she is known 4.

those were the good old days of nastya & now she's not being agressive on her shots & just goin 4 too much contributing 2 making tons of UF's which is damaging her game badly (serve is still shocking nonetheless). all she needs is confidence & the belief that she can win against the world's best when she is in precious match situations. plus she cannot underestimate her opponents in order 2 keep her focused.

controlfreak
Nov 13th, 2006, 08:34 AM
I think they both can and should be "top" players. Just as long as I get to be the "bottom" player. :drool:

HenryMag.
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:16 AM
Dementieva of course. Myskina since last year, she isn't a top 10 player.

Josh.
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:22 AM
i hope they both do, i especially want to see myskina back to her best :)

_LuCaS_
Nov 13th, 2006, 10:16 AM
First I hope Nastya will play in 07, then it's a matter of getting the best ppl around to help you get back where you belong.

ctan88
Nov 13th, 2006, 11:36 AM
Dementieva will remain a top 7-10 player, and as for Myskina, i only hope that she finds her game again ... If she does play 2007, i see her in the 11-16 ranking bracket!

Veritas
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:37 PM
As crazy as it sounds, I think it's possible for Lena to win a Slam with that shit serve. It was worse in 2004, yet she managed to reach two Slam finals with it and beat top players on the way.

But it's unlikely Lena's body can endure the level of fitness required for much longer. It took a lot out of her mentally and physically to compensate for giving out free points during her service games.

And I think Lena's gotten better with her consistency. She's reaching the later stages more often than not and doesn't lose as much to lower-ranked players.

The problem for her is that just being consistent isn't enough - it's no use beating the likes of Kim or Justine about once a year, yet lose to them four times as much. Maybe she just needs to beat them at the right tournament to win that elusive Slam.

I have a feeling that if there's a Slam to be won, it'll be the Australian for Lena :tape:

radwanska
Nov 13th, 2006, 12:59 PM
They were both flukes a flash in the pan for the french and usopen of 2004 nothing else.Tell me where else they have done well after them 2 slams you may be thinking 4 a while[both have crap serves]!!!

Sassy-Na
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:17 PM
They were both flukes a flash in the pan for the french and usopen of 2004 nothing else.Tell me where else they have done well after them 2 slams you may be thinking 4 a while[both have crap serves]!!!

u again? :tape: :scared:

u r more annoying than me :angel:

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Lena went to 2 other US Open semis.

Exiliado
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:05 PM
They are both and will remain top 50 players in the 2007.

Dementinator
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:20 PM
As crazy as it sounds, I think it's possible for Lena to win a Slam with that shit serve. It was worse in 2004, yet she managed to reach two Slam finals with it and beat top players on the way.

But it's unlikely Lena's body can endure the level of fitness required for much longer. It took a lot out of her mentally and physically to compensate for giving out free points during her service games.

And I think Lena's gotten better with her consistency. She's reaching the later stages more often than not and doesn't lose as much to lower-ranked players.

The problem for her is that just being consistent isn't enough - it's no use beating the likes of Kim or Justine about once a year, yet lose to them four times as much. Maybe she just needs to beat them at the right tournament to win that elusive Slam.

I have a feeling that if there's a Slam to be won, it'll be the Australian for Lena :tape:


pretty much agree with that...

Myskina could make a come back too ,can never underestimate her at all ,although her slump has lasted a good two years now ,apart from good grass results the rest has been a bit dire ,but that could all change as long as she has the desire..

Lena? well who really knows ,I see her remaining solidly top ten for at least another 12 months ,shes fought off a lot of the "young generation" and not lost to crap as often as she used to do, will she win a slam? well I guess its possible but shes got work to do first..

Not quite sure why some seem tho think Lenas "body" will not hold up ,out of the entire WTA its the only one that does ,she is hardly injured and never seriously ,her fantastic physical condition ,the best in WTA bar none ,is what COULD win her a big one ,I see no problems in that department for some time ,heck the girls only 25 not 45! :lol: but it is similar to Myskina ,she needs to maintain the desire ,and out of those two ,Lena D I think has the greater desire to do well...

One thing is for sure ,when they both do throw their hands in ,WTA will be one boring ,dreary and sad place without them ,its not all about mega results and endorsements ,great characters ,fun ,and unpredictableness is what makes for great entertainment... god bless em both...

Kunal
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:22 PM
it really is hard to predict with these two

goldenlox
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:38 PM
I think the race to make the YEC is going to be very competitive next year.
Jelena, Ana, Nicole, Anna, Dinara - they are all young, and should be improving.
Plus, the 4 SF's this year are solid when healthy, and Nadia and Sveta are good at compiling points.

Lena and Nastya will have to play well to be in Madrid.
I expect Lena to be there, Myskina will have a lot to do to get there.

squig2k
Nov 13th, 2006, 03:05 PM
I think elena can stop top 10 but she may be at her peak unfortunately... I dont think she advance back into the top 5 unless she wins a slam. and myskina, well the new generation may prevent her getting back into the top 10, she needs to produce tennis like she did during the grass court season to rise.

miffedmax
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:44 PM
Elena begins her inevitable march to Number One by winning the AO (taking out Nastya in the Rnd of 16) over TOB in three sets.

After she defends in Tokyo, she moves into the Top 5.

Her stunning breakthrough in Rome (makes the final after years of early rnd implosions) moves in solidly into the Top 5 and positions her for a run to the French Open Finals, where she avenges '04 by beating the strongly resurgent Myskina for the title. Another win in Holland positions her for a run at Wimbledon, where she edges JuJu in the finals (Justine exhaused from her 7-6,6-7, 12-10) win over Myskina in the Finals.

Elena's reign of terror continues as she wins the US Open Series and coasts to an easy US Open win over Momo. Myskina replaces a petulant Sharapova on the Russian Fed Cup team, which simply runs away and hides from the rest of the field.

At this point, several WTAworld Dementiahaters become so enraged they choke themselves to death swallwing copies of the special Vanity Fair Quadruple "Is Elena Dementieva the most beautiful woman in the entire history of the Universe, yes, that's pretty much an obvious and forgone conclusion" issue.

Elena comes into the YEC with a Grand Slam, the number one ranking and a legion of starry eyed supporters ready to bring down the house and fails to win a single set. Again.

Nasty takes the YEC over TOB to end up #2 in the rankings.

Uranus
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Lena without a doubt, hopefully Nastya too but...

Corswandt
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:49 PM
If she manages to play a full, almost 100% injury free season like she did in 2006, Lena D. has a good chance of keeping herself afloat in the 8-10 ranking slots in 2007. The real issue is whether any newcomers will achieve consistent enough results to fight for those slots and wrest them from both her and Schnyder [who survives in the top 10 mainly through keeping herself fit and uninjured so that she can play week in-week in] - which will be difficult considering the huge 500 points gap between #8 and Vaidisova/Safina [but when the 2005 season began, there was a 800 point gap between #10 and #11]. Jankovic is more or less a given, all the others far from it: Safina a bit doubtful considering her late season meltdown (following months of mediocrity) and that she is unlikely to improve her results on her best surface (clay) from 2005, Vaidisova a very long shot (and likely to tumble down to #15-20 after RG), Ivanovic would need to improve significantly, Chak may have been a fluke.

As for Nastya, it depends on which Nastya will appear in 2007. The post-Wimbledon Nastya would sink lower than Dechy. The Eastbourne Nastya would fight her way up to the #10-12 range and stay there easily. So we'll make an average and say somewhere between #12-20. Top player as in contender for Slams - if all the current top 10 retired, and maybe not even then.

Corswandt
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:53 PM
anything could happen in 2007. With Patty playing less well than in 2005, Dinara and Elena and Sveta inconsistent, Kim retiring, no Americans in the top 20, Momo still breakdown prone, Justine liable to collapse and most of the youngsters inconsistent there is plenty of room in the top 10 and plenty of possibilities taht teh people nastya had trouble with will be taken out by players she can beat,.

This is what I'd call "realistic wishful thinking". :lol:

As in, "Nastya may get back into the top 10" [wishful thinking] "if all the current top 10 players begin to suck, because she sure isn't overtaking them any other way" [realism].