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Staticbeef
Nov 11th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Norwegian Refugee Council pulls out of Darfur citing 'impossible working conditions'
AP
OSLO, Norway (AP) - The Norwegian Refugee Council said Friday it is closing down its humanitarian operations for nearly 300,000 people in Darfur because it is impossible to work in the troubled Sudanese region.

The group cited "frequent disruption" of its work, saying it had been suspended five times for a total of 210 days since it started operations in mid-2004.

"We cannot work when the authorities suspend us continuously and do not respond to our repeated requests for dialogue aimed at addressing and resolving underlying reasons for this action," said NRC Secretary-General, Tomas C. Archer.

Fighting since Darfur rebels launched in uprising in 2003 has left more than 200,000 people dead and 2.5 million displaced.

Aid agencies have repeatedly complained about government interference in their work in Sudan. For months after the conflict broke out, Sudanese officials severely limited international aid organizations' access to Darfur. Humanitarian workers were only allowed in after protracted negotiations and international pressure.

Last year, Sudan briefly detained two officials of Medecins Sans Frontieres after the Dutch branch of the international medical aid group released a report that quoting hundreds of rape victims in Darfur identifying their attackers as soldiers or members of government-allied militia.

Rebels also have been accused of interfering with aid, in some cases by kidnapping aid workers.

The Norwegian group said was pulling out 12 international staff and 170 local staff running one camp for 128,000 people in southern Darfur camp and another for 100,000 people.

"We coordinated all aid, the fair distribution of food, medical care. Now there are 300,000 people on their own. That's what concerns us most," said group spokeswoman Astrid Sehl by telephone. She said they also had to shut down an educational program from about 19,000 children, and stop distributing food to about 52,000 people outside the camps.

"This decision has been the most difficult I have had to make as secretary general of NRC," said Archer. "We are all aware that the humanitarian needs are greater than ever in south Darfur."

A news release said the Oslo-based group had been promised an answer from Sudanese authorities on the future of its humanitarian effort in Darfur, but no answer had been given.

"We report on abuses and attacks at the camps, which is apparently not very popular (with the government), said Sehl. "We wanted a dialogue but there has been no response."

She said, at a minimum, the aid group would require government guarantees that they would be allowed access to the refugees without the constant disruptions and suspensions before it could consider returning to Darfur.

The Norwegian Refugee Council is a private, independent foundation without religious or political affiliations. It was found in 1946 to assist post-World War II refugees, and now has about 1,300 staff working in 20 countries worldwide.

On the Net:

http://www.nrc.no

ampers&
Nov 11th, 2006, 01:45 AM
:sad:

It's only going to continue to get worse if everyone keeps ignoring what's happening there. The Sudanese goverment aren't exactly helping the cause though. But still, something needs to be done. Everyone ignores these issues in Africa. A similiar situation is happening in Congo. 4,000,000 people died there since 1998 as a result of their conflict. 1,250 people per day continue to die of disease and hunger.

It's so pathetic how the world's most powerful nations ignore the issues in Africa.
So fucking pathetic...:(
How about we let a nation slip away while we bomb for oil and make nuclear weapons for fun?! :D
Assholes...

StarDuvallGrant
Nov 11th, 2006, 02:02 AM
It makes me wonder how we judge just what is important in the world, who is a real threat and just whose lives are important enough to work as citizens of the world to save.

Bayo
Nov 11th, 2006, 04:00 AM
This sickens me. After all the preaching we heard post-Rwanda, here we are again and nobody's doing a damn thing.

I suppose if these native people were of a, we'll say, lighter skin persuasion they wouldn't be left to be slaughtered and raped. No problem in Bosnia. Beyond shameful!

Rocketta
Nov 11th, 2006, 04:47 AM
Lets hope with a change in Congress comes a change in focus in congress and in the news media. We can hope can't we? :angel:

RVD
Nov 11th, 2006, 05:14 AM
Lets hope with a change in Congress comes a change in focus in congress and in the news media. We can hope can't we? :angel::sad: :sad: We can keep hope alive, but the poor folks in Dafur have none to speak of. :sad:

If only the richer countries weren't so driven by want and greed.

Volcana
Nov 11th, 2006, 06:59 AM
What's require is


Overthrowing the present government
a couple hundred thousand troops, for maybe ten years
Building a permanent infrastructure
Put differently, what's needed is what Bush presently claims he's trying to do in Iraq. Nobody with a big-ass military cares enough about African lives to make that commitment.

njnetswill
Nov 12th, 2006, 06:39 AM
I will be at an upcoming Walf for Darfur in order to raise money and awareness for this cause. It's quite ridiculous we are so sensitive about "human rights violations" and yet our governments don't do anything about a crisis like Darfur.

Staticbeef
Nov 12th, 2006, 01:08 PM
DAFUR: the open sore of a continent
By Obi Nwakanma

Reprint from The Vanguard Online Edition
Sunday, July 11, 2004

Another human tragedy is playing out in western Sudan. It is the tragedy of Dafur. The conflict in the Sudan has been described as genocide. But we shall return to this. However, let me point out that what we see in Dafur is another example of how Africans are made victims of an expansionist, and brutal external marauders who have historically taken advantage of the inherent pacifism, and some might even say indolence, of the Negroid people.

Many Africans have focused singularly on the effects of the European conquest and colonisation of Africa. And Africans have often forgotten that the history of Africa is the history of double penetration: one from the East, and the other from the West.

Although each form of these violent penetrations of Africa remains the central basis of its historical instability, but a close study shows, that the Eastern –– that is Arab - penetration of Africa in the last one thousand years remains the most violent.

The Arab conquest of Africa which has been examined by key African scholars - Chinweizu for instance –– when it is taken into account has been the most vicious. It rose with the sword, and it continues, with the belligerent Arab worldview that the Black African is a kaffir, a slave, one not even worth more than camel dung. This worldview is the primary idea that has governed relations between the Arab-led government of Sudan, and the indigenous African population.

The Arabs have come to dominate the Sudan, and have consigned the indigenous Negroid population to the lowliest status, treating them as slaves, from a tradition which began as the Arabs moved into this stretch of Africa, which was once the site of Nubia, the great African civilization. Sudan has been mired in civil conflict, with the Christians rallying behind the John Garang led Sudan Peoples Liberation Army, SPLA, fighting for control of the South from the Arabs of the North.

Generally, Sudan has remained in a flux for most of its modern era. It was conquered by Egypt in 1821, which unified the northern part until the rise of the Mahdi, Muhammadu Ibn Abdalla who led a campaign of colonial resistance against the Anglo-Egyptian alliance with his party of the Ansas. This group remains the basis of the Umma party in Sudan to date led by descendants of the Mahdi.

The Mahdist movement in Sudan incidentally was happening about the same time as Uthman dan Fodio was declaring himself Caliph in Sokoto. Anyway, Lord Kitchener eventually crushed the Mahdist resistance, and the British established a joint authority with the Egyptians until 1956 when it was granted independence. Incidentally, Nigeria’s last colonial governor-general had served in the Sudan, as did many of the British colonial officers who also came to work in Nigeria.

So in fact, there are too many things, even aside from the cultural links to Nubia from which many Nigerian groups emerged, that Sudan and Nigeria have in common. The difference is that Nigeria did not, and does not have to endure the Arab menace, although what is happening in Sudan ought to be an eye opener to the threat of Arab racist objectives in Africa. The Arabs in Sudan view that country as an Arab Islamic state, irrespective of the wishes of the majority of the Negroid people, especially in the South of Sudan, around the Kodorfan.

The Arabs reneging of the agreement to create a federal union following the ceding of power led to the first Southern mutiny in Torit, and to the long civil war which has continued to date, with the only respite following the short-lived 1972 peace accord. Sudan remains at war, and the war is endless because the Arab Muslim population in the North is unwilling to grant the Black Negroid population its humanity.

In 1983, Jafaar El-Niemery imposed the Sharia law, and the Southern resistance led by John Garang indicates the futility of a state religious policy, although the current government of Omar el Bashir continues, and has even exacerbated the atrocities against the black population.

In 1998, the Newsweek magazine broke the story of slavery in Sudan, and this led to an international outcry. Very few governments in Africa reacted. No state in Africa called El-Bashir’s government to account. No African country withdrew its legation from Khartoum. The Organization of African Unity did not respond to these revelations.

Yet daily, the black African population is subjected to the worst forms of indignity including slavery in places like Sudan and Mauritania, by an Arab population. No other people or society could endure or tolerate this open sore, at this stage of human development. But by all accounts, the government in Khartoum is apparently made of a barbaric group intent on perpetuating the subjugation and further decimation of the black African population. That is the meaning of the tragedy that is unfolding in Dafur. It is genocide because of its pattern of operation.

Dafur is ethnic cleansing; it is a racist, state sponsored violence targeted towards the elimination of a particular racial and ethnic group. The Arab government of President Omar el-Bashir had armed and sponsored Sudanese troops and Arab militiamen called the Janjaweed to attack and destroy the pastoralist Fur, Massalit and Zagharwa group of the Negroid people found in Western Sudan. A low intensity war had started in April 2003 over what has been described as a struggle over land and resources, and by March 2004 thousands of displaced people in Dafur were seeking refuge in neighbouring Chad.

The Janjaweed entered villages and killed thousands of people, while an estimated one million black people have fled their homes from attacks by the Arab militia or Janjaweed.

They killed the men, and systematically raped the women with the purpose, according to reports, of impregnating them. In fact, according to a recent Human Rights watch report, “rape appears to be a feature of most of the attacks in Dafur.” Even the concept of “Moslem brotherhood” here has been put to rest because the people of Dafur whom the Arab Moslems kill, are almost all Sufi Moslems, and therein is the irony: it speaks to the singular truth that the Arab conquest of Africa is a continuous objective which rides on the false back of Islamic brotherhood; it is nothing but a racist movement, one whose implication is emphasized with this situation in which Arab Muslim militias kill and rape the black African Muslims of Dafur, whom they call slaves. This continuous violation of the rights of the black people is the open sore of a continent which must be healed with adequate strategic action.

The genocide in Dafur resembles so much of the atrocities that took place in Biafra from 1967-1968, especially the massacres in places like Asaba and Onitsha by a brutal, ill-trained horde armed by the Nigerian government to exterminate the Igbo.

While the rest of the world was mealy-mouthing about whether genocide was taking place or not in Biafra, and the Gowon government was covering up a vast scale of atrocities, over three million people were dying, many of them children and women, denied even the comfort of a morsel in death. The same silence pervaded the genocide in Rwanda. Luckily, international attention has been directed to the Dafur situation with the recent visit by US secretary of state, Colin Powell, and United Nations Secretary-General, Kofi Annan. The UN has described what is going on in Dafur as the worst humanitarian crisis in the world.

“The ruined villages, the camps overflowing with women and children, the fear of the people, should be a clear warning to us all –– without action, the brutalities already inflicted on the civilian population of Dafur could prelude an even greater humanitarian catastrophe –– a catastrophe that could destabilize the region.” That is Kofi Annan’s damning report. Perhaps, that was why the African Union summoned a response in its meeting last week at Addis Ababa. But the AU came short of declaring Dafur genocide.

They chose to deploy 300 African troops to Dafur, principally to protect the humanitarian observers who would be moving into the region. They also demanded from the el-Bashir’s government to arrest and prosecute the Arab militiamen –– the Janjaweed –– for the atrocities. Nothing will of course come out of this, for the el-Bashir government is complicit. But I personally agree with President Paul Kagame of Rwanda who is quoted as saying “I think there is the need to create a big force and go and deal with the problem. The thing is to protect the people who are targeted, not observers. That is what we will be prepared for in our contribution.” Nothing less is called for."

The sooner the better, this thing is making me sick

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Lord Nelson
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:00 PM
This sickens me. After all the preaching we heard post-Rwanda, here we are again and nobody's doing a damn thing.

I suppose if these native people were of a, we'll say, lighter skin persuasion they wouldn't be left to be slaughtered and raped. No problem in Bosnia. Beyond shameful!
Actually it is you who seems to have a problem. You think that the only nations who should help are Europe and the U.S.??? In Congo the African nations eventually got together and decided to get out of Congo where they were making situation worse. As for Bosnia it is in Europe and closer to many European nations. the people there are Muslim so it is quite something to see European helping Muslims against Christians. I have not seen that happen anywhere else.
Please then don't assume that only countries in Africa thats hould help are U.S. and old Europe. Africa nations are helping there. take account of that.
In Darfur thOse who are barring any help are Arab nations who refuse to allow UN to have a resolution that would call what is going on a genocide.

Staticbeef
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:06 PM
Actaually it is you who seems to have a problem. You think that trhe only nations who should help are Europe and the U.S.???In Congo the AFrican nations eventually got togetherand decided to get out of Congo where they were making situation worse. As for Bosnia it is in europe and closer to many European nations. the people there are Muslim so it is quite something to see European helpping Muslims against Christians. I ahve not seen that happen anywhere else.
Please then don'0t assuem that only countries in africa thats hould help are U.S. and old Europe. Africa nations are helping there. take account of that.
In Darfur thse who are barring any help are Arab nations who refuse to allow UN to have a resolution that would call what si going on a genocide.


:wavey: Wasnt that the same fuel that kept Rwanda burning, a word??????

Sam L
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:06 PM
What's require is

Overthrowing the present government
a couple hundred thousand troops, for maybe ten years
Building a permanent infrastructure
Put differently, what's needed is what Bush presently claims he's trying to do in Iraq. Nobody with a big-ass military cares enough about African lives to make that commitment.

Oh so you support a war here but not in Iraq? Hypocrite! Middle east is where there are threats of terrorism for US so naturally US should protect itself by concentrating on middle east first.

Why should US have to rescue every African nation? :confused:

Actaually it is you who seems to have a problem. You think that trhe only nations who should help are Europe and the U.S.???In Congo the AFrican nations eventually got togetherand decided to get out of Congo where they were making situation worse. As for Bosnia it is in europe and closer to many European nations. the people there are Muslim so it is quite something to see European helpping Muslims against Christians. I ahve not seen that happen anywhere else.
Please then don'0t assuem that only countries in africa thats hould help are U.S. and old Europe. Africa nations are helping there. take account of that.
In Darfur thse who are barring any help are Arab nations who refuse to allow UN to have a resolution that would call what si going on a genocide.

Exactly!! They blame US and Europe for everything and then when they need help they go "we need help where are you? It's pathetic." :rolleyes:

Staticbeef
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Oh so you support a war here but not in Iraq? Hypocrite! Middle east is where there are threats of terrorism for US so naturally US should protect itself by concentrating on middle east first.

Why should US have to rescue every African nation? :confused:



Exactly!! They blame US and Europe for everything and then when they need help they go "we need help where are you? It's pathetic." :rolleyes:

:wavey: Yo Dude. exactly who is they????????????????:wavey:

Sam L
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:10 PM
:wavey: Yo Dude. exactly who is they????????????????:wavey:

People whining in here and some African countries.

Staticbeef
Nov 12th, 2006, 02:40 PM
People whining in here and some African countries.


If I wanted to, I could veiw your complaint as whining, depends on what lense you use to see, try the clear ones and you will quickly realize this is a human issue not a political fight.

jbone_0307
Nov 12th, 2006, 07:09 PM
I'm all for sending aid and things to the victims, but they have to deal with this problem themselves. Nobody can come and force change on a nation and the US is having the same problem with Iraq right now. Those rebels are idiots and it has to come from within. They need to get their act together because they are 300 years behind in terms of thinking and infastructure.

Staticbeef
Nov 12th, 2006, 07:29 PM
I'm all for sending aid and things to the victims, but they have to deal with this problem themselves. Nobody can come and force change on a nation and the US is having the same problem with Iraq right now. Those rebels are idiots and it has to come from within. They need to get their act together because they are 300 years behind in terms of thinking and infastructure.


Therin lies the problem. There are many agencies willing to feed and give medical treatment to the displaced peoples. The Sudanese Government is frustrating all efforts. For this problem military intervention may not be the best tactic, since it would escalate the reactionary elements, but some ECONOMIC SANCTIONS on Sudan may force the Government to withdraw support from those murdering savages.

njnetswill
Nov 12th, 2006, 07:40 PM
Sadly I think Africa will always have problems like this. The continent is just not designed for large state-nations like Sudan, Congo and Nigeria. There will always be religous/tribal conflict.

Wannabeknowitall
Nov 12th, 2006, 08:54 PM
First of all it's not an adequate answer for "saving Darfur".
It's a start.
The similarities between an inner city urban area and Darfur are striking.
You just can't fix the problem by bringing peacekeepers in.
The Sudanese don't want the peacekeepers there, mostly because of the drug trades going on there.

Secondly the most important thing these people need is knowledge.
Knowledge to make sure that this doesn't happen again in 10 years which it certainly will if only UN peacekeepers come in.
They need to make more out of the land without severely damaging it which leads to erosion and the end of any of any agriculture for that land.
Right now many men are using it just to feed their families if they can do that.
If there is no outlet for economic growth, then drug trading will thrive.

The women need to learn that being raped isn't natural.
That living under a fear of men using the name of Allah to keep these women down isn't right.
That they have control of their bodies and not to let their men have unprotected sex with them unless they're sure there will enough food for whatever child comes of it.
There needs to be more knowledge of HIV/AIDS.

Thirdly, I don't think American troops should be there just because of the person who happens to be leading them and his history.
If America want to go there through the UN with the full philosophy of peacekeeper under the UN definition of peacekeeping, then that's fine.
If not then I have a feeling that Bush could easily make the mistake of yet another war against Muslims which you do not want to get into when it comes to Northern Africa.

This is an all-out at least 4-5 year project.

The question for the Americans is, are you willing to neglect the million children in the US who don't have enough to eat on a daily basis to help the millions in Darfur to get back on their feet?

Are you willing to pay the billions and billions out of your pocket if the US go into Darfur?
If you are, then there needs to be some action soon to make it known that this is where I want my taxpaying money to go to and I want whatever resources America has left to go to Darfur.

I agree with most of the statements here.
The area is not made for state-nations like the Sudan.
At the same time, you never hear of ethnic cleansing in areas with good economies.
When you have an unstable economy though in bigger state-nations, blame starts to be accessed to certain people and this is when a cycle of hate and cleansing starts.

Right now with the Democrats having control of the Congress, we have to hope as Rocketta said that the focus will change.

We all have to do our part to inform.
I had a Jehovah Witness come yesterday to my house, talking about how the Bible wants children to be raised and how experts want children to be raised.

Here I am wearing my Save Darfur shirt so I asked her did she know about Darfur and the children dieing there.
She didn't know. I took the Watchtower booklet she gave me and I hope some of the info I gave her about Darfur will be shared in her congregation.

Paneru
Nov 12th, 2006, 09:13 PM
If I wanted to, I could veiw your complaint as whining, depends on what lense you use to see, try the clear ones and you will quickly realize this is a human issue not a political fight.

And there in a nutshell is what
it all comes down to.

I hear what other people are saying,
but I feel nothing is being done with
any quickness because Africa on many
fronts holds little in the way of monitary/political
interest and or value enough for the world
Super Powers to be urgent about this.

If everything in this world is ultimately about
money & power, Darfur won't be greatly helped
anytime soon in the way of non-African nations
in stoping the on-goning attrocities there.

We hear so much of things like the Holocaust, Bosnia,
Rwanda, and it never happening again, but it always
sadly seems to repeat itself in some way shape or form.

I must say though, for all the flack celebs get about how they help
and what charitable work they do, those like a Bono, Gates, or Oprah
have done and are doing things to help the many African Nations.
Most of all, getting the visibility up and giving the everday person asking
what can they do, ways to help affect change in these places.

Staticbeef
Nov 13th, 2006, 02:30 PM
:wavey: There is a movement in some of the neighboring African Nations to "create a large military force and deal with the problem" I wonder if this sort of behavior would jolt the world into awareness. There is danger there also.

samsung101
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:06 PM
Somalia - Clinton's decision to enter into Somalia in means other
than food distribution only, if for a short period, in the 90's, was
met with disastrous results. He did not confer w/the military
to do this much, he didn't consult w/congress on it, and when
soldiers were dragged thru the streets dead, Murtha and others
(history again) asked for, yelled for, immediate retreat. The terms
retreat, can't win, redeployment, have all been uttered by Murtha
several times before, from Clinton to now.

Clinton had good intentions. Didn't handle it well. Early on in
his presidency, he bailed quickly. We never really went back,
and to do so now is to give the terrorists a chance at
another Blackhawk Down. They're waiting for it.

Result: victory for Al Queda, terrorists, and more widespread
death and destruction. The US and UN saw it, and walked away.

Go up a few years, and we'll do the same thing in Iraq, with a
bigger and uglier ending....but, it's what America wants to do.




Oddly, Bolton and Santorum have been strong advocates to do more in
Africa regarding Darfur, Somalia, Sudan...and to that end, they
were generally ignored by the media, and the UN.

Why?


They're not cuddly and stars like Clooney and Jolie.


The religion of peace is entrenched in Africa (go back to Rwanda,
Somalia, Sudan, etc., it all goes together............).

The basis of the terror groups, the govt. and rebel struggles, etc.,
all stem from Islamic groups fighting each other, and the non-Islamic
people....laced in with diamond and drug and oil billions to be made.

The UN has done little now through 3 or 4 administrations of both
parties. The UN has done little with the billions it has earmarked to
help the area. The UN peacekeeping forces have an atrocious and
crime filled record in the region.


Sorry, the UN has had every chance to do something, with many nations
behind it - UK, US, in money and UN related troop support, and it has
chosen to do little.

We can fly in food and supplies. Little will get to those who need it.
We can fly in a few troops here and there, with or without the UN, and
they will only be prime Al Queda-Taliban-Islamic Terrorist group targets.
If we can't handle what is going on in Iraq, what makes you think our
nation can handle it in the African continent?

We sent our message to the world already: 51% of us want to take our
soldiers and equipment, and go home, no matter what.

Rocketta
Nov 13th, 2006, 04:11 PM
are you learning disabled, Samsung? It was made clear this was a thread about a human problem not a political one. If you want have one of your one-sided conversations....why don't you go start another one of your infinate useless threads. :rolleyes:

Lord Nelson
Nov 13th, 2006, 07:48 PM
Actually it was George H.W Bush that entered Somalia in December 1992 a month before Clinton was inaugurated. But once in power, Clinton made a mistake and turned humanitarian mission into a hunt for Aidid, one of the warlords.

Staticbeef
Nov 13th, 2006, 09:33 PM
Actually it was George H.W Bush that entered Somalia in December 1992 a month before Clinton was inaugurated. But once in power, Clinton made a mistake and turned humanitarian mission into a hunt for Aidid, one of the warlords.

:wavey: I Totally appreciate that you are setting the record straight Mr. Nelson, but what I would really love is if WE (WTA Posters) come up with any viable strategy to put an end to the CARNAGE IN DAFUR> We are all so very intelligent,and this is a revolution that could start right here by informing everyone we know about Mans inhumanity to Man, since we have established that this would not be political, getting involved in this one Movement would not do more than show that we care about the fate of other human beings on this planet.
Thank You
Gerardo