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Steffica Greles
Oct 24th, 2006, 12:16 PM
I do.

There's only 2 years between them, as there was with Evert and Navratilova (not that I'm suggesting any rivalry with be as enduring as theirs).

I think they are both very well matched up. Maria's the cleaner hitter and mentally the more tenacious, but Kuznetsova is by far the greater athlete with the physical strength to muscle back Sharapova's shots and the stamina to outlast her. Both have great serves, but Svetlana has more variety. Having said that, Sveta is also far more erratic.

They go back as far as Wimbledon 2003, when Kuznetsova won a close encounter. Then they played at the Australian Open of 2005, Sharapova emerging the winner of a three-setter on sheer grit and determination after Kuznetsova had blown her lead. And then, this year in Miami Svetlana emerged the winner.

They've played very seldom over the last 3-4 years, but I think that bodes well for their future encounters. I personally don't feel Kuznetsova is anywhere near her peak. She still has to discover her 'a' game and learn to schedule herself better. Her attitude and focus on court also leaves a lot to be desired at the moment. But she's one of the most committed and intense athletes off the court, of all the elite players. Maria is much more the finished article, more glamourous, mentally the stronger. Both will be at the top of the game for most of the next decade barring injuries or tragedies.

I think we will see some great matches from these two.

Ben.
Oct 24th, 2006, 12:27 PM
yeah i reckon these two can develop a rivalry, but u must remember that a rivarly can't be one-sided like for instance

ie. amelie vs serena (serena leads 10-2 in H2H). an example of an active rivalry would be kim vs justine (tied at 10-10 in H2H Tour meetings not ITF meetings). so the way things r going between maria & sveta in H2H battles looks bright 4 the future if they can keep it up mentally & physically.

Hoytie
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:14 PM
No.

MrSerenaWilliams
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:16 PM
Serena/Masha is better in terms of Marquee value, but Masha is waiting for Ree to back to form. For now, this will do.

Nicolás89
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:26 PM
Serena/Masha is better in terms of Marquee value.

Im agree with you, unfortunately to almost nobody matters for kuzzie apart from the fans :sad:

MrSerenaWilliams
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:39 PM
she matters, she's just not a marquee personality. She's more introverted a la Sampras, and there's nothing wrong with that :hug:

Aravanecaravan
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:48 PM
and the stamina to outlast her.

Unless Kuznetzova hits the gym and gets herself in much better shape, she isn't going to outlast anybody. The '05 Aussie Open QF is a perfect example of that.

About the only advantage I can see that Kuznetzova has over Maria is physical strength. She isn't nearly as tough mentally, isn't nearly as consistent with her shotmaking, and doesn't possess as good a serve. Not to mention that Maria is better conditioned.

That said, when Maria is off her game, Kuznetsova has a chance against her. But I don't see this as a major enduring "rivalry". Sharapova-Henin is more likely to be the one that develops into the biggest in the game.

tennnisfannn
Oct 24th, 2006, 01:59 PM
I see maria with a venus type of success and kuzy a serena type. Even their body make up are similar.

Lenafan
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:16 PM
Good points Steffica Greles. If I had to pick a rivalry in women's tennis in the future, I think that one would be it.

tenn_ace
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:17 PM
Unless Kuznetzova hits the gym and gets herself in much better shape, she isn't going to outlast anybody. The '05 Aussie Open QF is a perfect example of that.



:rolleyes:


shows how much you know about Svetlana to talk with such authoority. She is known for having a very high work ethic and hits the gym every day even when during the tournament. She does it even when her coaches don't want her to. The issue with her (to be feared) is that she overtrains.

I do really think it might be a great rivalry with Svetlana being a player who Maria will fear.

Lenafan
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Unless Kuznetzova hits the gym and gets herself in much better shape, she isn't going to outlast anybody. The '05 Aussie Open QF is a perfect example of that.

About the only advantage I can see that Kuznetzova has over Maria is physical strength. She isn't nearly as tough mentally, isn't nearly as consistent with her shotmaking, and doesn't possess as good a serve. Not to mention that Maria is better conditioned.

That said, when Maria is off her game, Kuznetsova has a chance against her. But I don't see this as a major enduring "rivalry". Sharapova-Henin is more likely to be the one that develops into the biggest in the game.

Ignorant post. I guess somehow despite her lack of fitness Sveta is 19-5 in 3 set matches this year. Amazing. She must do it with voodoo.

Andy.
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:35 PM
I have always said this.

mboyle
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:44 PM
Kuznetsova's too erratic, and one can never develop what Maria has (clean timing, mental fortitude,) whereas Maria has already developed what Sveta has (strength and conditioning.)

The rivalry of the future will be Sharapova vs. Vaidisova vs. Ivanovic vs. Golovin.

jacobruiz
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:54 PM
I too, think they will have a great rivalry. But Sveta is not the only one who has not reached her peak yet. Past injuries have slowed down her progress but otherwise Maria is constantly improving. She will continue to do so because she is so determined to get better and beat the best players consistently.

lolas
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:54 PM
I do think they could develop a good rivalry as they're both still young and probably will still hang around when the generation above them have retired.

RenaSlam.
Oct 24th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Yes, Sveta is surprisingly good defensively, whereas Maria struggles (albeit she is improving)...

Maria is more mentally tough and fights better, but Sveta has more variety.

Once they are both in peak form, it could be a very exciting rivalry.

Aravanecaravan
Oct 24th, 2006, 05:33 PM
Ignorant post. I guess somehow despite her lack of fitness Sveta is 19-5 in 3 set matches this year. Amazing. She must do it with voodoo.

Why--because I have an opinion that differs from yours?

Talk about :rolleyes: Grow up.

With all due apologies, the question wasn't asked about her performance against players ranked in the 10's, 20's, 30's and beyond, but rather Sharapova, who is one of the best athletes on tour. It doesn't take much observing to see that Kuznetzova is heavy, and has gotten moreso in the past year or so. I don't think it takes alot of speculation to say that if she lost 10-15 pounds she'd have much more endurance.

Who cares how frequently she lifts weights? That's strength training. She needs some aerobic fitness if she is going to be able to go three sets with the elite players and win big matches against Maria and Justine.


Davenport realized that about her own condition and did something about it.

LoveFifteen
Oct 24th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Beauty v. the Beast :angel:

le bon vivant
Oct 24th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Sveta is like an inferior version of Serena, so they should have an interesting rivalry.
I think Sharapova and Vaidisova will have the best future rivalry though. Some Serena/Jennifer type shit. The animosity is there, the intensity, the will to win. :drool::angel:

bellascarlett
Oct 24th, 2006, 06:55 PM
It's a good possibility but Svetlana still lacks the consistency of Maria for it to happen.

I also think and hope the next rivalry will be Sharapova - Henin-Hardenne.

Some tend to forget how young Justine is still. Just 24 and very committed.

MrSerenaWilliams
Oct 24th, 2006, 07:07 PM
Sveta is like an inferior version of Serena, so they should have an interesting rivalry.
I think Sharapova and Vaidisova will have the best future rivalry though. Some Serena/Jennifer type shit. The animosity is there, the intensity, the will to win. :drool::angel:

i totally agree

morningglory
Oct 24th, 2006, 07:12 PM
the BIGGEST rivalry of the future is gonna be Maria Vs Daria Sharapova! :rocker2:
I heard Maria's uncle Alex's every bit as intense as Yuri... this should be interesting :lol: the brothers may end up punching each other midmatch

Poova
Oct 24th, 2006, 07:17 PM
It will be there, but I don't think it will be very strong. I think Sharapova vs. Golovin could be pretty big. Golovin really pushed Sharapova at Miami and at the US Open to some extent. Although Sharapova won them both, once Golovin begins to develop more it could become very interesting IMO.

bellascarlett
Oct 24th, 2006, 07:32 PM
the BIGGEST rivalry of the future is gonna be Maria Vs Daria Sharapova! :rocker2:
I heard Maria's uncle Alex's every bit as intense as Yuri... this should be interesting :lol: the brothers may end up punching each other midmatch

oh god...:lol:

saki
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:03 PM
There seems to be a general conviction that Sveta is fit and fast. She really isn't. Movement isn't a weakness for her but neither is it a strength. If you watch her against the tour's really fast movers - Justine, Kim, Jankovic, Myskina - they all make her look slow. She's physically strong but her movement is no better than Maria's.

That said, her game is more complete than Maria's (at the moment) and she is more of an all-surface player so, if she ever becomes more consistent, this could be a good rivalry.

cs0803
Oct 24th, 2006, 08:10 PM
I agree that they are well matched up. Possibly this will be a great rivalry of the future. I agree that both can only get better with time.
Personally, I thought that Sharapova and Alicia Molik were developing a nice rivalry toward the back end of 2004 and early 2005. 4 of their 5 matches in that period going to 3 sets. I liked watching them play each other as they contrasted each other well and I thought they brought the best out in each other.
Still hoping Alicia can get back to the top of her game !
(sorry to go way off topic)