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Junex
Oct 23rd, 2006, 03:58 AM
Can anyone support this with statistics please.......

But I am sure that Amelie, Justine & Maria will be tooth & nails over the #1 ranking come YEC if all of them is able to play!


Isn't it exciting!!!!

hu2891601
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:12 AM
ehh, i think everyone knew that more than 1 month ago..

In The Zone
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:27 AM
Mauresmo is truly not in the race. Mathematically, yes, but seriously, no. It's between Sharapova and Henin-Hardenne and judging by Sharapova's Linz draw, it looks like it could just be Sharapova.

Junex
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:37 AM
ehh, i think everyone knew that more than 1 month ago..


No, because have Sharapova failed to win Zurich, she is out of the battle for #1 ranking.... :p

franny
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:57 AM
Honestly it's most likely going to be Justine Henin Hardenne. I mean, Sharapova has been absolutely awesome post wimbledon with her performances in San Diego, Zurich, and New York, but she'd have to win both Linz and the YEC and have Justine H-H not reach the finals. Mauresmo of course could defend and still finish the year number 1, but all things aside, I'd say its 70% for Justine. I just don't see Maria winning both Linz and YEC. That's just a lot of matches to play at a very high level.

faboozadoo15
Oct 23rd, 2006, 05:47 AM
maria needs to win linz, which is already a big step and then beat players who are ALL in the top 10 to overtake justine. i'd say justine has the WAY better chance. it's in her hands.

kittyking
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:26 AM
Theres people on Sharapovas side of the Linz draw that are looking to finish the year in the top 10 or top 20, they will be playing at their best this week and I wouldnt be all that surprised if one of them does surprise Maria and hammers her in straight sets

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:37 AM
all justine needs 2 do is win a match at YEC 2 prevent amelie from the YE #1 ranking. maria basically needs 2 reach the final or win the title at linz & win the YEC 2 secure no.1 if justine doesn't make the semis or final.

i did a thread on year-end no.1 scenarios around 2 weeks ago so u needs 2 look in the general messages 2 find it if any1's interested.

Yasmine
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:59 AM
that is provided that all three of them are healthy and 100%, then there will be an exciting battle...

perseus2006
Oct 23rd, 2006, 10:02 AM
Honestly it's most likely going to be Justine Henin Hardenne. I mean, Sharapova has been absolutely awesome post wimbledon with her performances in San Diego, Zurich, and New York, but she'd have to win both Linz and the YEC and have Justine H-H not reach the finals. Mauresmo of course could defend and still finish the year number 1, but all things aside, I'd say its 70% for Justine. I just don't see Maria winning both Linz and YEC. That's just a lot of matches to play at a very high level.

I have to agree with you. As much as I'm a PovaPartisan, one has to be realistic. If Pova wins at Linz, she will still trail JHH by about 175 points!!!! So you are exactly right, Even if Pova wins the YEC, JHH would still be #1 if she is the other finalist. How anticlimatic would it be for Pova to win the YEC against JHH but miss the #1 ranking by about 20 points?!? Untold numbers of WTAWorld Posters would have a good laugh at that for months!!!

But, Pova does have that outside chance!

So does Ame, to a lesser degree! She is only 80 points behind Pova in the race now. If jhh and Pova have catastrophic failures at the YEC, then Ame could end up #1 at Year End. But it's looking very grim for Ame mathematically. With her forced withdrawals due to injury, she essentially threw in the towel. Ame will finish the year at #3, probably, but could still push Pova back to #3.

So, there is ranking excitement about the YEC in addition to some anticipated great matches.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 10:20 AM
can't wait 2 see who's gonna end up no.1 in the world. hope all 3 contenders (amelie, justine & maria) r fit & healthy for the YEC. personally i hope it's amelie or maria, but i'll still be happy 4 justine if she finishes as no.1. all 3 deserve year-end no.1 glory & whoever gets it deserves it.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 10:31 AM
i no this statement of mine here isn't about the no.1 ranking, but if maria wins linz this week she overtakes justine for the no.2 spot in the rankings not the race rankings. (there4 pushing justine back down to no.3). but that probably won't matter really if maria & amelie don't post solid results at the YEC as her & amelie have alot 2 defend at the YEC while justine doesn't.

terjw
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:18 AM
i no this statement of mine here isn't about the no.1 ranking, but if maria wins linz this week she overtakes justine for the no.2 spot in the rankings not the race rankings. (there4 pushing justine back down to no.3). but that probably won't matter really if maria & amelie don't post solid results at the YEC as her & amelie have alot 2 defend at the YEC while justine doesn't.

If I remember rightly they didn't update the race rankings last year with the YEC points. It just finished with the tournament before the YEC. The race primarily exists to determine who qualifies for the YEC. If I'm right and they don't include the YEC itself - I don't think Justine can be caught.

My recollection is that at the end of the year there is:

The world rankings.
The World Champion who the ITF decide in consultation with the WTA tour.
The race missing the YEC points.

Mauresmo Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:22 AM
mauresmo will finish at number 1 thats for sure

pigmalion
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:26 AM
mauresmo will finish at number 1 thats for sure

hum and you believe always at Santa ? :angel:

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:27 AM
If I remember rightly they didn't update the race rankings last year with the YEC points. It just finished with the tournament before the YEC. The race primarily exists to determine who qualifies for the YEC. If I'm right and they don't include the YEC itself - I don't think Justine can be caught.

My recollection is that at the end of the year there is:

The world rankings.
The World Champion who the ITF decide in consultation with the WTA tour.
The race missing the YEC points.


yeah your right about the race. maria & amelie won't catch up 2 her now. justine has definitely secured the no.1 position in the race rankings not the actual rankings. the race 2 the YEC standings really only count 4 all the tourneys except 4 the YEC of course.

they also determine if your ITF World Champion if u have played fed cup 2 besides the slams, YEC & other important tourneys. that's why maria didn't get it in 2004 because she didn't play fed cup.

s_j
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:06 PM
Without a doubt it's between Justine and Maria. I'm afraid Amélie is out of the equation - certainly not 100% for sure out of it - but, realistically, she will not end the year as #1, despite winning 2 slams. Looking at the Linz draw and considering Maria's recent form she looks like a definite potential winner. Actually, I would put my money on it. Making the final of Linz alone would make Maria #2 and Justine #3. But it's the YECs that can change everything! This is down to the fact that Maria has semi-final points to defend and Justine has NONE. Even if Maria wins the YECs, if Justine makes the final then Justine is #1 at the end of the year. If Justine makes the semis and Maria is runner-up, Justine still ends as #1. In order for Maria to be #1 she has to win Linz and YECs with Justine (whose quality of form is unknown due to injury) only making the semis. If Justine doesn't make it past the Round Robin stage, I think Maria can afford to only make the final, and not win the title in order to be #1. For Amélie to be #1 (considering she will not gain any points because she won the title last year) Justine and Maria have to screw up basically...and I don't see that happening.

So - even though Maria has worked her butt off this autumn/fall the #1 rank is in Justine's hands. If Justine can bring it on to the court she will almost definitely gain the #1. However, with hard work and little bit of fortune from Justine's possible bad form or injuries, Maria does have a chance to be #1.

Wait and see! I'm excited! :bounce:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:21 PM
According to Justine's Website, here are the possible scenarios:

If Justine is a finalist at Madrid she will be number 1.


If Justine is a semi-finalist in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid and Zurich to remain number 1.

In order for Maria to become number 1 she must win Madrid and Zurich, and reach the semi-finals in Linz or win Madrid and Linz, but must reach the finals in Zurich.


If Justine finishes third in her round robin group in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid, and make the semi-finals in Zurich to remain number 1 or she must win Zurich and be a finalist in Madrid.

Sharapova must be a finalist in Madrid, win Zurich and be a finalist in Linz or she must win Madrid and have results that are better than the semi's in Zurich and Linz to become number 1.


If Justine were to finish last in her round robin group in Madrid. Mauresmo, and Maria must be finalists in Sony Ericsson WTA Championships to earn enough points to become this year's number 1 player.


If Justine doesn't participate in Madrid. Mauresmo and Maria will only need to make the semi-finals in Madrid to accumulate enough points to become number 1.

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Marjorie Note:

Bottom line, if Justine shows up to play at Madrid, it may be difficult for Maria and Amelie to end the year at #1.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:39 PM
Out of amelie & maria i would definitely say maria has a greater chance of ending the year as no.1 than amelie. i no both of them r gonna have 2 count on something special in their arsenal in order 2 achieve this accolade, especially amelie who needs 2 count on a miracle such as justine finishing last in her group or basically a withdrawl. but i doubt whether justine would finish last in her group anyway (that's if she plays of course).

so it's basically up 2 justine 2 tip the scales in favour of her or amelie or maria 4 year-end no.1 glory.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:41 PM
According to Justine's Website, here are the possible scenarios:

If Justine is a finalist at Madrid she will be number 1.


If Justine is a semi-finalist in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid and Zurich to remain number 1.

In order for Maria to become number 1 she must win Madrid and Zurich, and reach the semi-finals in Linz or win Madrid and Linz, but must reach the finals in Zurich.


If Justine finishes third in her round robin group in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid, and make the semi-finals in Zurich to remain number 1 or she must win Zurich and be a finalist in Madrid.

Sharapova must be a finalist in Madrid, win Zurich and be a finalist in Linz or she must win Madrid and have results that are better than the semi's in Zurich and Linz to become number 1.


If Justine were to finish last in her round robin group in Madrid. Mauresmo, and Maria must be finalists in Sony Ericsson WTA Championships to earn enough points to become this year's number 1 player.


If Justine doesn't participate in Madrid. Mauresmo and Maria will only need to make the semi-finals in Madrid to accumulate enough points to become number 1.

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Marjorie Note:

Bottom line, if Justine shows up to play at Madrid, it may be difficult for Maria and Amelie to end the year at #1.

thanks 4 the update. this is quite exciting.

Ryan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:50 PM
Ok, are people talking about the Race #1 or rankings #1? The Race means shit once you've qualified, all that matters is ending up Year-End #1, in the rankings, not the Race. Justine has the inside track, but if Maria storms through Linz I think she'd be fine with a week off.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:00 PM
Ok, are people talking about the Race #1 or rankings #1? The Race means shit once you've qualified, all that matters is ending up Year-End #1, in the rankings, not the Race. Justine has the inside track, but if Maria storms through Linz I think she'd be fine with a week off.

rankings no.1.