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tennnisfannn
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:19 AM
She seems to be the inform player. Justine will only be coming back from injury, amelie already seems fatigued, and Kim still an unkonwn quantity as of now. On the big stage i am willing to bet on Maria before i bet on either Petrova or ElenaD. That leaves Sveta the only real threat coz she can bring it on when she is in the mood and does not shy away from the big stage, although she has the tendency to go wild.
Maria YEC 2006 Champion!!!

RenaSlam.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:19 AM
Probs not. No one plays women's tennis anymore it seems. :lol:

stevos
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:23 AM
Hells nah!

cr_ar_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:29 AM
Maria will most likely win it.

bellascarlett
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:37 AM
Hope this doesn't jinx things like that thread for Daniela. :(

:lol: Anyway, seriously, everyone at this point is exhausted and hurting or is exhausted or hurting. :shrug:

It seems Maria has a great chance, yes definitely. But I don't think of it as set yet.

And you forgot about Martina who is all good to play.

bellascarlett
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:44 AM
I'm anti-jinxing this now just to be sure...:shout: :lol:

supergrunt
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:49 AM
Maria shoud win it. :) Justine and Mauresmo are going to be looking for revenge though. :lol:

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:05 AM
Ahhhh but we all know what Justine is like when she comes back from injury ...... she'll be mentally relaxed and fit and believe me, if she doesn't feel like that she won't be back, so if she plays the YEC, you know she'll be gunning for it! :worship: :devil:

ys
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:11 AM
Surprisingly, I happen to think that Hingis might have a shot against her..

Lenafan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:12 AM
Tennis since the US Open has been COMPLETELY unpredictable.

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:15 AM
Surprisingly, I happen to think that Hingis might have a shot against her..

Who? Against Maria? :spit: oh please :rolleyes:

What with those power shots? You are kidding arn't you?

MH0861
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:17 AM
Maria is probably the favorite, but Amelie and Justine are forced to be reckoned with! I'm also curious what type of form Kim is in, too.

Ukey
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:17 AM
I am sorry but Maria is not going to win it...

If Momo doesn't win, which i see very difficult, cause she is going to win it, will be Kuneztsova the winner against Henin in the final....

And Amélie is not fatigued, she only has an injury from which is going to recover perfectly for the YEC!!! :)

Derek.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:20 AM
If JHH is in good form, then she's Maria's biggest competition, otherwise it should be smooth sailing for Maria. :o

LoveFifteen
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:20 AM
Who? Against Maria? :spit: oh please :rolleyes:

What with those power shots? You are kidding arn't you?

They've had close matches this year, with Hingis winning one. I think Martina's form is pretty bad now though.

XaDavK_Kapri
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:25 AM
Kim has a tendency to play very well after a long lay-off. And she still has a chance to qualify.

ys
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:31 AM
If Momo doesn't win, which i see very difficult, cause she is going to win it, will be Kuneztsova the winner against Henin in the final....


Kuznetsova hasn't done anything indoors.. ever.. Just not her thing with that extreme western grip.

ys
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:31 AM
If JHH is in good form, then she's Maria's biggest competition, otherwise it should be smooth sailing for Maria. :o

JHH hasn't ever done anything indoors too.. Too quick for her..

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:32 AM
They've had close matches this year, with Hingis winning one. I think Martina's form is pretty bad now though.

As much as I hate to say it, I totally :worship: Martina's comeback! I think she's been absolutely amazing to come back on the tour after 3 years and be near the top ten ... even win a couple of tournaments. That's absolutely amazing .... but then she is Martina Hingis.

BUT, I think the reason she has had a "not so good" second half of the year is because in the first half of the year she did wonders .... but I personally think she used up a lot of her energy that she had at the beginning of the year against all these power players and it wore her out by Wimbledon and she had nothing left in the tank for the rest of the season. She played a great match against Kuzzy in Zurich, but Kuzzy played one of the best games I've seen her play ... I think if Kuzzy was playing like that against JHH, JHH might have lost!

Do you know what I mean? What do you think?

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:37 AM
JHH hasn't ever done anything indoors too.. Too quick for her..

Oh really?

Generali Ladies Linz 2002 :confused: Was that a figment of my imagination then? Or are they lying that she won it? Strange that!

ys
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:42 AM
Oh really?

Generali Ladies Linz 2002 :confused: Was that a figment of my imagination then? Or are they lying that she won it? Strange that!

4 years ago.. Against glorious competition like Alex Stevenson in the final. That was truly her benchmark indoors. That's whom can really beat .. Who were her other opponents? Some Hall-of-famers like Farina or Panova, right?

perseus2006
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:49 AM
I checked the rankings for the most probable girls to play the YEC and very carefully and thoroughly studied all the available statistics including h2h's and trends. Based on this research, I discovered that there are only seven girls playing in the YEC who are capable of ending Pova's quest for another YEC title. Whoever wins the YEC will have to win at least two of the first three matches and both of the last two matches. That's a lot of tennis to be played, starting two weeks next Monday, to determine, today, which one will win it!

As a PovaPartisan, I do hope that Pova plays well, fights hard and manages to win just five matches! But nothing said today will impact what happens during the YEC Tournament.

ys
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:52 AM
I checked the rankings for the most probable girls to play the YEC and very carefully and thoroughly studied all the available statistics including h2h's and trends. Based on this research, I discovered that there are only seven girls playing in the YEC who are capable of ending Pova's quest for another YEC title. Whoever wins the YEC will have to win at least two of the first three matches and both of the last two matches. That's a lot of tennis to be played, starting two weeks next Monday, to determine, today, which one will win it!

As a PovaPartisan, I do hope that Pova plays well, fights hard and manages to win just five matches! But nothing said today will impact what happens during the YEC Tournament.

Do you have a fever? Some aspirin can help. But if it is mushrooms, then never mind..

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:58 AM
4 years ago.. Against glorious competition like Alex Stevenson in the final. That was truly her benchmark indoors. That's whom can really beat .. Who were her other opponents? Some Hall-of-famers like Farina or Panova, right?

That's not the point ... you said "ever" and I showed you that you were wrong! Just admit it. If you would have said "recently" then that would have been a different story wouldn't it? :rolleyes:

Lenafan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:02 AM
Do you have a fever? Some aspirin can help. But if it is mushrooms, then never mind..


:lol: :lol: :lol:

blumaroo
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:04 AM
I wonder how fast the surface is.
Take for example Filderstadt vs Stuttgart. The old Filderstadt courts were much faster than Stuttgart.

MisterMan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:06 AM
she'll be near impossible to beat, unless Elena is 100 percent.
And this is a good thing for the WTA.
It's hot, young, superstar winning the YEC.
GOOOOOOOO Masha !

Corswandt
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:07 AM
I wonder how fast the surface is.
Take for example Filderstadt vs Stuttgart. The old Filderstadt courts were much faster than Stuttgart.

Finally someone who noticed that too.

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:14 AM
oh its not gonna be on clay?

Jakeev
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:18 AM
Does anyone know what the court will be like in Spain? If it's a faster surface, than the competition is gonna have to hope Maria is having a bad day. If it's a slower surface, than yeah they have a shot against her.

It's pretty cut and dry.

Shonami Slam
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:39 AM
i don't think maria is in that great form actually.
for shahar to make her sweat so much and for dani to take a set off her means she isn't at her US peak point.
and i do think than anyone in the top8 has brilliancy runs these days, especially with her 3 compatriots that could overwhelm her in any stage of the tourny, let alone final.

hu2891601
Oct 23rd, 2006, 03:50 AM
well, I don't think it's a lock for Sharapova, even though the court is fast... that's why she can't win wimbledon for the past two years, and lost to someone like Jamea Jackson on grass!.. you can't say grass court is not fast..

morningglory
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:08 AM
it's far from a lock... and Maria still has that foot... :unsure: who knows when it will flare up?

dany.p
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:22 AM
i don't think maria is in that great form actually.
for shahar to make her sweat so much and for dani to take a set off her means she isn't at her US peak point.
and i do think than anyone in the top8 has brilliancy runs these days, especially with her 3 compatriots that could overwhelm her in any stage of the tourny, let alone final.

I agree that she's not in good form, i haven't been impressed with her at zurich one bit even though she won. But you can't expect her to completely dominate opponents week in week out. She played to the standard that was necessary to win here, nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure when she comes up against the top players that she'll pick up her form.

faboozadoo15
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:39 AM
I think she's the favorite, but it's nowhere near definite. Sharapova herself has health issues with her foot that could keep her from competing at her best. She's got a great chance to win and end the year at #1 though, and I think she's highly motivated: 3 weeks then a nice break.

Aaron68
Oct 23rd, 2006, 05:40 AM
To me, it's all a question of how she serves. If she serves like she did through most of the USO, then I doubt that anyone is going to beat her in Madrid. If not, then ... who knows?

I would gather from recent results that she is the clear favorite going in. What happens after that, no one can know.

Junex
Oct 23rd, 2006, 05:41 AM
JHH hasn't ever done anything indoors too.. Too quick for her..



:rolleyes: Zurich 2003 :p

Slumpsova
Oct 23rd, 2006, 06:23 AM
Kim will kick her ass :haha:

ioni
Oct 23rd, 2006, 06:42 AM
i hope that nobody can stoper her from winning yec :)

msharafan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 06:57 AM
i hope she can do it but remember there are 7 other top players in this tournie, if she can stay healthy and in top form then i think she will win but if not then she most likely wont win with all the competition.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 07:18 AM
Tennis since the US Open has been COMPLETELY unpredictable.

Except for Maria. She keeps winning.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 07:19 AM
Considering Maria is only one of seven players in the Open Era to win a Grand Slam tournament by beating the #1 and #2 players in the world at the '06 US Open, her chances are very good.

Shonami Slam
Oct 23rd, 2006, 07:45 AM
Finally someone who noticed that too.
evryone did. i had no other reason how nadia's ace tally was so low.
she never had a year peak in Wimbledon - the year she will it's going to be the woman's record, even if she doesn't make the semis. her US tally was almost higher than sharapova's - who was clearly serving huge and well, with much less service games.

well, I don't think it's a lock for Sharapova, even though the court is fast... that's why she can't win wimbledon for the past two years, and lost to someone like Jamea Jackson on grass!.. you can't say grass court is not fast..
you actually can. you look back at history and see that grass nowadays in shitty stuff, slow as hell and much too brown by your third day of action.
and it's not only victory - Sharapova is hugely accomplished on fast courts, more so than on anything else.
have a peak at her resume if you wish.

I agree that she's not in good form, i haven't been impressed with her at zurich one bit even though she won. But you can't expect her to completely dominate opponents week in week out. She played to the standard that was necessary to win here, nothing more, nothing less. I'm sure when she comes up against the top players that she'll pick up her form.
it wasn't an impressive run. Peer, Bacsinzky and (i'll give it to her) an inform HAntuchova are far from comparison with anyone who did will in any of the other indoor tournies this season. a pity for her not to get a chance against Kuznetsova, Petrova or even Chakvetadze in Moscow. the rest of the best hove shown thier capability at some point this season - elena in tokyo, amelie in antwerp/paris indoors, petrova in germany and kuznetsova is all around in pretty good form, even if not accomplished this year on the stuff.
all of them had better compitition. Zurich wasn't the warm-up sharapova needed.

Zurich 2003
glad you said that - a couple of points:
a) this year zurich was played on the same stuff that the YEC will be played -hardcourt indoors. the better tennis-fans might remember exactly, but i remember zurich 03 played on decoturf (i very well might be wrong on this - anyone who knows for sure please correct/confirm!)
that would have a significant meaning to your tourny name-dropping. of course this time around she beat much better girls, however that WOULD be more expected on deco than on, say carpet or indoor hards.

Considering Maria is only one of seven players in the Open Era to win a Grand Slam tournament by beating the #1 and #2 players in the world at the '06 US Open, her chances are very good.

it's a great stat, and it shows you how well she played, especially because of the very variety between these two players - however it's not a stat that protects you from losing to #3-#8 - moreover, it doesn't even protect you from losing to #1 & #2. she won't win by her USopen credits - she will by USopen form.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 07:59 AM
Sharapova has a great shot for winning YEC.
Mauresmo and Clijsters if healthy are her main rivals. And Hingis may cause an upset but I doubt she has the abilities to win the whole thing.
Henin is just an average player indoors and Kuznetsova is even below average.

barryproudfoot
Oct 23rd, 2006, 08:43 AM
hingis will suprise everyone :smoke:

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:05 AM
:rolleyes: Zurich 2003 :p

:yeah: ;)

So that's Linz 2002 and Zurich 2003 .... and YS said she hasn't EVER won anything indoors :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

As I said before, must be a figment of our imagination! :tape:

LDF
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:10 AM
hingis will suprise everyone :smoke:

...by winning a match? :p

barryproudfoot
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:13 AM
...by winning a match? :p

no. she will withdraw form the tournament :p

LUXXXAS
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:17 AM
she's not my favourite player :tape: but I hope she will win YEC and will be No. 1 at the end of the year because she deserved it! I am really impressed by her consistency and improvements in her game this year...

terjw
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:27 AM
She seems to be the inform player. Justine will only be coming back from injury, amelie already seems fatigued, and Kim still an unkonwn quantity as of now. On the big stage i am willing to bet on Maria before i bet on either Petrova or ElenaD. That leaves Sveta the only real threat coz she can bring it on when she is in the mood and does not shy away from the big stage, although she has the tendency to go wild.
Maria YEC 2006 Champion!!!

Maria is definitely the favourite IMO. But to dismiss Justine , Amelie and Kim like that and say that Kuzy is the only real threat is just ridiculous.

I've seen bold statements like this to the effect that the other players shouldn't even bother turning up time and ti,e again be proved wrong. Thankfully - the results of the tournaments are determined by who actually wins - not the opinions on these boards.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 09:29 AM
:yeah: ;)

So that's Linz 2002 and Zurich 2003 .... and YS said she hasn't EVER won anything indoors :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

As I said before, must be a figment of our imagination! :tape:

And some even went as far as saying that Justine doesn't know how to play on fast surfaces, but she's a two-time Wimby finalist.

saki
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:16 AM
The main reason Justine hasn't done well indoors is, IMO, because she's usually tired by the end of the season. She's not as natural on faster surfaces but she can play on them. I don't think she'll play the YEC unless she's fully fit and rested and so, if she does play, I think she has a good shot to win it.

I also think Kim is in with a good chance here. She plays great indoors usually and missing the U.S. Open may motivate her more for the YEC. That is, assuming that she qualifies.

Justine Fan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:23 AM
...by winning a match? :p
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Banana_Man
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:48 AM
I think the YEC is pretty much wide open.
You would have thought Maria, Justine and Amelie would be the ones most likely to win it but you never know, Elena and Martina are capable of beating anyone on their day if they play well and although I don't think either of them will make the semis they could beat a couple of the big names to make things interesting :D

Shonami Slam
Oct 23rd, 2006, 11:58 AM
:yeah: ;)

So that's Linz 2002 and Zurich 2003 .... and YS said she hasn't EVER won anything indoors :lol: :lol: :rolleyes:

As I said before, must be a figment of our imagination! :tape:

ok. i checked out the 2003 surface, and it was indoor hardcourts, normal from what i understood.
won it quite convincingly, only one to trouble her was smashnova :angel:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:03 PM
Just a reminder:

Justine d. Maria at the 2006 Dubai tournament which was played on hard court.

s_j
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:04 PM
Yes but that was before Maria's sudden rise in form and 2nd Grand Slam and that was before Justine started having injury problems again. Plus, she hasn't played for weeks now. It will be a factor.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:04 PM
Just a reminder:

Justine d. Maria at the 2006 Dubai tournament which was played on carpet.
It was outdoors... :confused:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:05 PM
It was outdoors... :confused:

oops, my bad

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:08 PM
There also seems to be a misconception about Justine not being able to play on fast courts. She's actually won more hardcourt tournaments than clay court. The majority of her tournament victories have been on fast surfaces.

17 Fast Surfaces
10 Clay

Hard (13)
Clay (10)
Grass (2)
Carpet (2)

Consider that she's made it to at least semi's of Wimbledon 4 of the past six years (includes one year she didn't play). She's 104-22 in her Grand Slam career matches.

Hardcourt Win-Loss 178-46
Clay Win-Loss 101-17
Grass Win-Loss 36-9
Carpet Win-Loss 28-13

Steffica Greles
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:09 PM
Probably not.

But not because Sharapova is in a higher echelon to most of the other 7 contenders.

Clijsters has just returned from injury and hasn't played her best all year; Henin has also been injured and may not play at all; Mauresmo has seemed fatigued and de-motivated since the hardcourt season and may be a little sore; Petrova has yet to prove she can defeat top players on big occasions; Kuznetsova seems to have overplayed and won't have much left in the tank; Hingis is no match for a Maria playing 80% or above; Dementieva does not have the serve to consistently defeat the year's seven best players in one week. And, in reserve, Schnyder is no match for Maria at all.

So who's the obvious choice? *yawn*

tennnisfannn
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:10 PM
Maria is definitely the favourite IMO. But to dismiss Justine , Amelie and Kim like that and say that Kuzy is the only real threat is just ridiculous.

I've seen bold statements like this to the effect that the other players shouldn't even bother turning up time and ti,e again be proved wrong. Thankfully - the results of the tournaments are determined by who actually wins - not the opinions on these boards.
I didn't dismiss but you have to get realistic. this is not a grandslam where players like justine can spend the whole first week playing themselves into form, after a lengthy lay off, she is going to have to work so hard to win any match. She is going to need to draw a martina/or a rusty kim to have any chance of making the semis. You could say the same thing about kim and amelie.
ElenaD is yet to win a single match at the YEC, she usually beats players lower ranked than her but rarely beats two top players back to back.
It is only realistic to expect maria to win.

Hugo24
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:17 PM
She will not win the YEC . JHH and Mauresmo and also kim will be more well rested and will be a force for her . All 3 will want revenge on her.

Ryan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:20 PM
Maria's the favorite based on current form, but anything can happen at the YEC. There's lots of emotions, players are tired, some get up for this event while other's just roll over and die. I can easily see Maria being surprised in her RR matches by an in form ANYONE. Not saying it's likely to happen, but any of the other 7 players can hand Maria a loss - lets not forget, she played no one of note in Zurich and has struggled with even routine players right now.

Shonami Slam
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:31 PM
Carpet Win-Loss 28-13 ?
i know the 14-9 one.
where did you get that from?
i know she's 76/31 indoors though.

anyway as i said in the other thread - 5 of those "fast hard" tourhnies were actually slow rebound aces. her dutch title is little in comparsion to her smallest clay title.
she's much more convincing on slow courts, nothing you can do against it.
when it comes to the fast ones - she tends to fall to exactly the sharapova types.
if anything, she's hope to draw patty, kuzzy and nadia, so that she has a good chance to still get in secondfrom the group.
should she draw sharapova, kim and hingis it might be over sooner than she expects.

Matt01
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:34 PM
I didn't dismiss but you have to get realistic. this is not a grandslam where players like justine can spend the whole first week playing themselves into form, after a lengthy lay off, she is going to have to work so hard to win any match. She is going to need to draw a martina/or a rusty kim to have any chance of making the semis. You could say the same thing about kim and amelie.
ElenaD is yet to win a single match at the YEC, she usually beats players lower ranked than her but rarely beats two top players back to back.
It is only realistic to expect maria to win.

Could you please stop posting crap? Thanks :p

Elena D reached the semi-finals of the YEC some years ago, beating an in-form Davenport on the way, so she is not yet a win a match at the YEC.
And no, Justine doesn't need to draw Martina and or a "rusty Kim" to have "any chance of making the semis". :rolleyes:
And she also doesn't usually need a whole week to play her into form to be able to reach GS finals :rolleyes:

The problem with players like Justine, Kim and Momo is IMO that they were injured during the fall season and we don't know exactly in what shape they are in a few weeks when the YEC starts. Of course Sharapova is the favorite right now, based on her current form, and I don't think that many people in this thread were trying to deny that, but please don't act as if the only realistic outcome is a win of Maria :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:34 PM
There is no current sub-category for hard surfaces, such as Rebound Ace when registering the history of tennis. Any match played on a hard court will be registered as a hard court victory. Similarly, the International Tennis Hall of Fame doesn't recognize the difference between red and green, clay when reporting clay court wins.

These are the four surfaces:

1. Hard
2. Clay
3. Grass
4. Carpet

Ryan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:42 PM
There is no current sub-category for hard surfaces, such as Rebound Ace when registering the history of tennis. Any match played on a hard court will be registered as a hard court victory. Similarly, the International Tennis Hall of Fame doesn't recognize the difference between red and green, clay when reporting clay court wins.

These are the four surfaces:

1. Hard
2. Clay
3. Grass
4. Carpet



Bravo. :rolleyes: Maybe rebound ace and green clay aren't "registered" in the history of tennis, but fans can tell the difference and it only makes sense to make those distinctions when talking about wins.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:49 PM
There also seems to be a misconception about Justine not being able to play on fast courts. She's actually won more hardcourt tournaments than clay court. The majority of her tournament victories have been on fast surfaces.

17 Fast Surfaces
10 Clay

Hardcourt Win-Loss 178-46
Clay Win-Loss 101-17
Grass Win-Loss 36-9
Carpet Win-Loss 28-13
If you count only what actually matters (WTA main draws and Fed Cup matches) then JHH holds following W-L record:

hard outdoors 150-35 (0.811)
clay 104-17 (0.859)
grass 36-9 (0.800)
indoor hard 21-11 (0.656)
carpet 26-14 (0.650)
total outdoors 284-61 (0.823)
total indoors (incl. Fed Cup matches on clay) 53-25 (0.679)

Clijsters, Serena, Hingis, Sharapova, Davenport, Venus, Mauresmo, Myskina all have better W-L records indoors.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:49 PM
Bravo. :rolleyes: Maybe rebound ace and green clay aren't "registered" in the history of tennis, but fans can tell the difference and it only makes sense to make those distinctions when talking about wins.

Then only real distinction is those that attempt to use sub-categories to rationalize why "hard" surfaces aren't really "hard surfaces" to diminish a players accomplishments on fast surfaces. Bravo! :rolleyes:

Matt01
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:50 PM
So does anyone know exactly on what surface the YEC will be played?

On the WTA page I only found out that it is "Hardcourt/Indoors", but is it rather a slow or a fast hardcourt? :wavey:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:53 PM
If you count only what actually matters (WTA main draws and Fed Cup matches) then JHH holds following W-L record:

hard outdoors 150-35 (0.811)
clay 104-17 (0.859)
grass 36-9 (0.800)
indoor hard 21-11 (0.656)
carpet 26-14 (0.650)
total outdoors 284-61 (0.823)
total indoors 53-25 (0.679)

Clijsters, Serena, Hingis, Sharapova, Davenport, Venus, Mauresmo, Myskina all have better W-L records indoors.

Hingis isn't really a factor here. She'll be lucky to win two matches. Justine owns Clijsters. Only Mauresmo and Sharapova are playing in the 2006 YEC of the remaining people you attempt to compare.

Now, of the people who will be playing at the 2006 YEC (which would be more appropriate to compare), try comparing their carpet record, and their GS singles records/YEC.

Matt01
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:55 PM
Clijsters, Serena, Hingis, Sharapova, Davenport, Venus, Mauresmo, Myskina all have better W-L records indoors.

Justine did hardly play any indoor matches in the last few years. That's why her record there is so mediocre.

Ben.
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:56 PM
Could you please stop posting crap? Thanks :p

Elena D reached the semi-finals of the YEC some years ago, beating an in-form Davenport on the way, so she is not yet a win a match at the YEC.
And no, Justine doesn't need to draw Martina and or a "rusty Kim" to have "any chance of making the semis". :rolleyes:
And she also doesn't usually need a whole week to play her into form to be able to reach GS finals :rolleyes:

The problem with players like Justine, Kim and Momo is IMO that they were injured during the fall season and we don't know exactly in what shape they are in a few weeks when the YEC starts. Of course Sharapova is the favorite right now, based on her current form, and I don't think that many people in this thread were trying to deny that, but please don't act as if the only realistic outcome is a win of Maria :rolleyes:

well said. as if kim or martina would let justine roll over them. i'm sure all the players r gonna give it their damn hardest or die trying in order 2 achieve success at the tour's jewel crown event.

i mean maria is the player in form at the moment & is a favourite of course blah blah blah but justine's also a favourite 2 as well as amelie while others like kim, sveta, elena, nadia & even martina will not make it so easy 4 maria 2 win. any1 could win the title u no, that's the beauty of tennis today.

so it's all gonna depend on who's mentally strong, who's able 2 overcome fatigue & long time injury recovery periods 2 be physically strong & who plays 2 their full potential with consistency will win.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 12:58 PM
Let's get it straight.

What Mauresmo, Henin-Hardenne and Sharapova are playing for is the year end #1 ranking.

And if Justine makes it to the finals, regardless of the others results, she will end the year #1.

Allez!

According to Justine's Website, here are the possible scenarios:

1. If Justine is a finalist at Madrid she will be number 1.


2. If Justine is a semi-finalist in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid and Zurich to remain number 1. (ruled out)

In order for Maria to become number 1 she must win Madrid and Zurich, and reach the semi-finals in Linz or win Madrid and Linz, but must reach the finals in Zurich. (still possible)


3. If Justine finishes third in her round robin group in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid, and make the semi-finals in Zurich to remain number 1 or she must win Zurich and be a finalist in Madrid. (ruled out)

Sharapova must be a finalist in Madrid, win Zurich and be a finalist in Linz or she must win Madrid and have results that are better than the semi's in Zurich and Linz to become number 1. (still possible)


4. If Justine were to finish last in her round robin group in Madrid. Mauresmo, and Maria must be finalists in Sony Ericsson WTA Championships to earn enough points to become this year's number 1 player.


5. If Justine doesn't participate in Madrid. Mauresmo and Maria will only need to make the semi-finals in Madrid to accumulate enough points to become number 1.

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Marjorie Note:

Bottom line, if Justine shows up to play at Madrid, it may be difficult for Maria and Amelie to end the year at #1.

Mauresmo's only hope is if Justine doesn't show and she makes it to the finals in Madrid, or Justine places last in her group (highly unlikely)

Maria's chances are a little better than Mauresmo's, but not by much.

sapir1434
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:01 PM
She looks great now, definitely. But if Justine will be ok, Amelie will play at least as in the last YEC :hearts: and the Svetlana I saw against Hingis will show there... Then everything is possible.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 01:04 PM
Justine did hardly play any indoor matches in the last few years. That's why her record there is so mediocre.
Henin has played twice as many tournaments indoors as Serena and Sharapova and almost as many as Clijsters, Venus and Myskina.

Ryan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:01 PM
Let's get it straight.

What Mauresmo, Henin-Hardenne and Sharapova are playing for is the year end #1 ranking.

And if Justine makes it to the finals, regardless of the others results, she will end the year #1.

Allez!

According to Justine's Website, here are the possible scenarios:

1. If Justine is a finalist at Madrid she will be number 1.


2. If Justine is a semi-finalist in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid and Zurich to remain number 1. (ruled out)

In order for Maria to become number 1 she must win Madrid and Zurich, and reach the semi-finals in Linz or win Madrid and Linz, but must reach the finals in Zurich. (still possible)


3. If Justine finishes third in her round robin group in Madrid.

Mauresmo must win Madrid, and make the semi-finals in Zurich to remain number 1 or she must win Zurich and be a finalist in Madrid. (ruled out)

Sharapova must be a finalist in Madrid, win Zurich and be a finalist in Linz or she must win Madrid and have results that are better than the semi's in Zurich and Linz to become number 1. (still possible)


4. If Justine were to finish last in her round robin group in Madrid. Mauresmo, and Maria must be finalists in Sony Ericsson WTA Championships to earn enough points to become this year's number 1 player.


5. If Justine doesn't participate in Madrid. Mauresmo and Maria will only need to make the semi-finals in Madrid to accumulate enough points to become number 1.

----------------------------

Marjorie Note:

Bottom line, if Justine shows up to play at Madrid, it may be difficult for Maria and Amelie to end the year at #1.

Mauresmo's only hope is if Justine doesn't show and she makes it to the finals in Madrid, or Justine places last in her group (highly unlikely)

Maria's chances are a little better than Mauresmo's, but not by much.


Uh, aren't we talking about winning this tourney, not YE #1? I'm not trying to diminish JHH's "fast" court achievements either, but they are rather weak when compared to her "slow" court ones. 2 Wimby finals and 1 US Open title, along with *gasp* Linz! doesn't even come close to an Oz title and 3 RG's. I'm not saying Justine cant win here, but its definately not her best surface.

Viktymise
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:13 PM
I think she will actually be tired coming into the Yec, playing linz now aswell, having beat minimum 2 top 10 players in like 3 days or so takes alot out of youplus 2 even more important tougher matches to go, i doubt it will be smooth sailing

Matt01
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:23 PM
Henin has played twice as many tournaments indoors as Serena and Sharapova and almost as many as Clijsters, Venus and Myskina.

I meant in the last few years, not overall. I think Henin played lots of her indoor tournaments at the beginning of her carreer when she was not as strong as later on, hence her weaker W-L-record indoors.

Lenafan
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:28 PM
Other than Henin on clay, noone's a lock in today's game. And I doubt Sharapova's motivation for winning the YEC is anywhere near her desire to win her 2nd slam.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:28 PM
I think she will actually be tired coming into the Yec, playing linz now aswell, having beat minimum 2 top 10 players in like 3 days or so takes alot out of youplus 2 even more important tougher matches to go, i doubt it will be smooth sailing

Well, and there could be the added pressure of having to perform well at Linz (semi's or better) and at the YEC to end #1. That is, if that's a priority of Maria's.

Dunno.

AnnaK_4ever
Oct 23rd, 2006, 02:28 PM
I meant in the last few years, not overall. I think Henin played lots of her indoor tournaments at the beginning of her carreer when she was not as strong as later on, hence her weaker W-L-record indoors.
Excuses, excuses...

Wayn77
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:14 PM
Sharapova is good but nowhere near THAT GOOD.

Sveta
Petrova
Mauresmo
Henin-Hardenne

can all beat her quite comfortably ....

s_j
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:18 PM
Based on current form... Maria is the obvious favourite to win the YECs. But we can't just assume. Wait and see! :D

Martyś
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:27 PM
Sveta
Petrova
Mauresmo
Henin-Hardenne

can all beat her quite comfortably ....

Quite comfortably ? :confused:

tennnisfannn
Oct 29th, 2006, 01:35 PM
still asking. seriously, riding that confidence she goes into the YEC with, maria seems unstoppable.

Kimster
Oct 29th, 2006, 01:37 PM
:rolleyes:



:tape:

Dasha_
Oct 29th, 2006, 01:39 PM
still asking. seriously, riding that confidence she goes into the YEC with, maria seems unstoppable.

well, she sure will be unstoppable during round robin

radwanska
Oct 29th, 2006, 01:41 PM
Henin-Hardenne and clijsters providing that they return fit and strong and play at their highest level.

KimC&MariaSNo1's
Oct 29th, 2006, 01:46 PM
i hope no one can stop her it would be an amzing second half of the year for her

Aaron68
Oct 29th, 2006, 02:07 PM
I think things are becoming quite simple on the WTA Tour: If Masha serves like she is capable of serving, she will win. It might not be pretty, with bakery items all the time, but Maria will be holding a trophy at the end.

I'm not convinced that anyone out there can return her serve effectively. Her serving stats are insanely good. And I think that she is SO driven, SO tough and competitive, as long as she is even remotely healthy she will reign supreme.

Her growth spurt interrupted her progress there for a while. But, delayed or not, I think we are on the verge of witnessing something very special. She is still only 19.

Soon, there will be no stopping her.

illianna
Oct 29th, 2006, 02:31 PM
she will win it - she just plays amazing

bellascarlett
Oct 29th, 2006, 02:37 PM
I think things are becoming quite simple on the WTA Tour: If Masha serves like she is capable of serving, she will win. It might not be pretty, with bakery items all the time, but Maria will be holding a trophy at the end.

I'm not convinced that anyone out there can return her serve effectively. Her serving stats are insanely good. And I think that she is SO driven, SO tough and competitive, as long as she is even remotely healthy she will reign supreme.

Her growth spurt interrupted her progress there for a while. But, delayed or not, I think we are on the verge of witnessing something very special. She is still only 19.

Soon, there will be no stopping her.

Actually, that was my opinion up until after Zurich. But this week in Linz, Maria's serve was for the most part was AWOL and yet she still won. She wasn't even playing that great this week. She served better in the final but still not as strong and consistent as she was serving last week. In her matches against Ivanovic and Patty, you could see she was relatively struggling with her serve which of course could be due to exhaustion and not being fresh enough. She won those matches mainly due to her stong mentality and her high confidence in herself and game (I think thanks to her US Open win).

Bottom line, for Maria it is important to improve on consistency on her serve coz when she achieves that, coupled with her mental toughness, everyone should watch out even more.

IceHock
Oct 29th, 2006, 02:39 PM
Basicly if Mauresmo, Henin-Hardenne, and Clijsters are not fit, she should win it, but if they are then she will have some struggles.

Aaron68
Oct 29th, 2006, 02:45 PM
Actually, that was my opinion up until after Zurich. But this week in Linz, Maria's serve was for the most part was AWOL and yet she still won.

Oh, that is what it seems like, since I didn't get to see the matches. And that is indeed scary.

But I believe that her serve is a weapon for which there is no answer right now. Her fierceness and her ability to hit great shots when needed are not to be overlooked, but that serve ...

I think it is amazing that she won while not playing top tennis, and not serving as well as she is capable of.

MrSerenaWilliams
Oct 29th, 2006, 05:44 PM
it really honestly is hers for the taking

Nickk
Oct 29th, 2006, 06:03 PM
No.

*emo*

anlavalle
Oct 29th, 2006, 07:36 PM
i hope so, i`m praying for a juju, kim and amelie fully fit to stop her for winnig it :angel:

Just Do It
Oct 29th, 2006, 07:42 PM
YES, HINGIS ! :lol:

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 29th, 2006, 09:08 PM
She is the one to beat at the moment:D However...these are the top 8 players in the world. Anyone one of them could have a really good day and beat her...should be fun to watch :bounce:

TomTennis
Oct 29th, 2006, 10:27 PM
I miss 2000 and 2001, the rivalries and the fact that there were about 5-6 players that could win a tournament :sad:

I hope 2007 is better than this year, because have the big names out with injuries is just boring! :sad: :tape:

flyingmachine
Oct 29th, 2006, 10:38 PM
If Justine plays well. Maria will be in trouble.

gocanadago
Oct 29th, 2006, 10:44 PM
I hope no one can stop her GO MARIA!

willrock
Oct 30th, 2006, 12:02 AM
Amélie & Sveta are able to make her close her mouth for once ;)

Buitenzorg
Oct 30th, 2006, 12:29 AM
Honey, anyone can stop Maria from winning YEC :p

Amelie
Justine
Clijsters
Kuznetsova (maybe)

new-york
Oct 30th, 2006, 01:04 AM
i really hope Kimiko won't perform like last year.

morningglory
Oct 30th, 2006, 01:32 AM
i really hope Kimiko won't perform like last year.

Date hasn't played in years :confused:

Oh u mean Kim... :o