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Martian Jeza
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:25 AM
How would you rate Hingis 2nd part of season ? Pretty disappointing at my side : I've already told why in other topics so I don't want to explain it again : I'm not a robot ;) YEC isn't played yet, I know but I don't expect that much from Martina at the YEC.

mr_burns
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:38 AM
compared to the first part poor...Lost to some girls where I thought this is impossible..Barely beat any top players since RG

thrust
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:50 AM
The thing that surprised me about Martina^s second part of the season was her mental weakness, especially at Wimbledon and the USO.

Martian Jeza
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:24 AM
The thing that surprised me about Martina^s second part of the season was her mental weakness, especially at Wimbledon and the USO.

Mental weakness, poor physical shape and her serve which still sucks : It seems she hasn't worked at all during the season to have a better one : her serve is too weak and there isn't that much variations ... She should go to Roger's training camp to work with him for a way better serve...

mike/topgun
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:27 AM
Back in her days she was more aggressive, dictating points with her tremendous precision...she played some great matches in the first pasrt of the year, but since RG Martina's played poorly.:(

double-fault
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:29 AM
poor sadly :sad: , but saying that she reached two Tier I Qtr. Finals, a Tier I final, and won a Tier III :p

~Carsten~
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:30 AM
not very impressive :o

Ben.
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:46 AM
i would rate martina's 2nd part of the season is just above average but not great. reasons 4 her 2nd part of season being just above average r that she won kolkata, even if it was a tier III event & reached the tier I final at montreal along with another 2 tier I quarters at san diego & zurich with a 17-6 Win-Loss record at 74%. so it's actually not been a complete disaster 4 her.

but it's disappointing in a sense that she hasn't done as well as she did in the 1st part of the season & has lost earlier at wimby & the us open where she could of won those matches. obviously if she wants 2 go even further in the top echelon of the game she needs 2 improve her serve, add extra pace & agression 2 it, use her precision more often & hit her groundies with a bit more agression.

but she's in the top 10 again which she'll most likely finish there 4 the year & u no we can't be 2 critical of her because she's had a great season even if there r several improvements she needs 2 make.

Lunaris
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:50 AM
The first part was certainly better.

RR-87
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:52 AM
Montreal was quiet good, beating Sveta in great style ;)

plus title in Kolkuta :)

but losses to Razzano and Mirza :help:

rockstar
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:37 PM
since wimbledon, the only thing i remembered was the canadian open final and the title in kolkata, no where near her first half :o

MH0861
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:41 PM
I said very poor, but I did forget about Montreal... I expected a lot more out of her, particularly given the first half of her season.

thrust
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:47 PM
Martina did win the Italian Open which is, I think, a tier 1 title. She just seemed too impatient and not quite interested after the FO.

Billabong
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:53 PM
Well in Wimbledon she had a shocking loss, which started the second part pretty badly... Then in San Diego she had a decent result, in Montreal had a very good result (but was very disappointing in the final), the USO was her worst tourney of the year, she won Kolkata, was too tired in Seoul to compete and had a quarterfinal in Zurich which ended in a very good performance from Martina... So I would say a decent second part, because she did reach a Tier-1 final and won a tournament, but really under-performed in the 2 slams...

Billy Moonshine
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:54 PM
Had Hingis retired with a RG title back in 2002, I don't think we would see her today. Her great start to the year was partly, I think, fuelled by desire for the French title. I believe this will be a Hingis pattern: Strong start to season, decent second half. And if she lifts the French trophy: Bye bye WTA!!!!

Rachel_
Oct 21st, 2006, 01:17 PM
for a normal player good - average

for Martina...frankly awful

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 21st, 2006, 01:20 PM
The Wimbledon and US Open disasters really overshadow whatever else she achieved in the second half of the season. And as someone mentioned, this is MARTINA HINGIS were judging, not some average player.

For Martina, I'd say it was pretty terrible.

Ben.
Oct 21st, 2006, 01:22 PM
Had Hingis retired with a RG title back in 2002, I don't think we would see her today. Her great start to the year was partly, I think, fuelled by desire for the French title. I believe this will be a Hingis pattern: Strong start to season, decent second half. And if she lifts the French trophy: Bye bye WTA!!!!

maybe, but personally i don't think so. even if she does win the french, her desire 2 play tennis is so strong that it will continue & there4 she will keep playin after a win at the french open later on in her career.

but then again who no's.

Martian Jeza
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:28 PM
Indeed we are talking about Martina Hingis, not of an average player... I'm disappointed with her 2nd part of the season despite A Tier 1 final ( Lost in Montreal ), The win at Kalkota ( Not a big achievement as she hadn't that much competition for the trophee )... I think, it only is my opinion, she wasted many opportunities to win more titles this season... Yeah, she is back from 3 years of absence of the tour but as Martina Hingis die hard fan, I can't accept seeing her being passive as hell, not working enough to get a better serve... Only the thing I think it's normal when you are off for 3 years and come back is that you have a slump of form at physical side but the most worrying thing she also had a slump at mental side... Martina is known as being one of if not the best at mental side... So What the hell happened to her ? I still don't understand it and I would like to see the real Martina Hingis back next season... And indeed her 2nd part of the season overshadow her magnificient comeback she was making during the 1st part...

RJWCapriati
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:29 PM
Poor :tape:

hingis-seles
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:38 PM
More than satsfactory. Wimbledon and US Open were disappointing, but they will be her weaker slams considering all the power players on Tour. She did well in Montreal and Kolkata. Her only "bad" loss outside the Slams has been to Mirza in Seoul. Sugiyama and Razzano were early losses in Slams which makes it look awful, but outside that, she's lost once each to Kim, Svetlana, Ana and the bad loss to Mirza. Not as spectacular as the first half, but nothing to start slitting your wrists over, either.

Martian Jeza
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:42 PM
More than satsfactory. Wimbledon and US Open were disappointing, but they will be her weaker slams considering all the power players on Tour. She did well in Montreal and Kolkata. Her only "bad" loss outside the Slams has been to Mirza in Seoul. Sugiyama and Razzano were early losses in Slams which makes it look awful, but outside that, she's lost once each to Kim, Svetlana, Ana and the bad loss to Mirza. Not as spectacular as the first half, but nothing to start slitting your wrists over, either.

I don't agreee with your optimism but yeah I respect your opinion, Ali' ;)

ioni
Oct 21st, 2006, 02:44 PM
very poor!

selyoink
Oct 21st, 2006, 03:18 PM
Decent at best but I voted for poor because of her slam results. Wimbledon and US Open were both underwhelming. Aside from getting to the finals of Rogers Cup she didn't do much. Winning against the incredibly weak field in Kolkata wasn't impressive.

But still she has had a successful comeback. The question now is can she move any higher in the rankings.

Chewie
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:16 PM
Mental weakness, poor physical shape and her serve which still sucks : It seems she hasn't worked at all during the season to have a better one : her serve is too weak and there isn't that much variations ... She should go to Roger's training camp to work with him for a way better serve...

You claim to be a fan of hers?

You are dead wrong with the physical shape, it has clearly improved and is very good at the moment. You don't see her gasping for breath. She has worked very hard, I think. Mirza also complimented her good shape after the Kolkata match.

It looks to me her serve has improved. More accurate, a bit more power maybe too. At Zurich her serve looked definitely better than early this year.

Mental weakness? Not really. You must remember she had 3,5 year break from competing, so it's not easy to come back. Has anyone, at any sport made a comeback this good after so long hiatus?!
It seems that the mental side is the hard part after being away so long.

And when it comes to Wimbledon loss, Sugiyama played out her skin.
Only really disappointing loss was to Razzano at USO, the worst game from Martina whole year, imo. But Raz played surprisingly well too. Ok, Mirza loss was disappointing too...but then again she nearly double bagelled her earlier, which was nice.

As I understand she has practised a lot. And she is making improvement. It's not easy to convert improvement to success always. You might have too high expectations for yourself. Success will come.

Vacant
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:18 PM
Decent, with some poor results.

Martian Jeza
Oct 21st, 2006, 08:24 PM
You claim to be a fan of hers?

You might have too high expectations for yourself. Success will come.

Yes I'm a true fan of hers and as Martina Hingis die-hard fan I have high expectations for Martina which is totaly normal. Martina is a great champion, not an average player :)

Uranus
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:06 PM
Quite poor.

She started the season unbelieveably well, reaching slam QF on her 3rd tournament, then she didn't improve a lot, and her level started to decrease a bit around Wimbledon.

MikeJones
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:13 PM
I voted Decent, but on second thought the US Open loss to Razzano was a HUGE disappointment to me. I say Poor...but she has looked better to me recently.

Drake1980
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:30 PM
Canadian Open Final was superb! Plus a Title in India

MikeJones
Oct 21st, 2006, 10:47 PM
Canadian Open Final was superb! Plus a Title in India

She has really dissapointed me the GS's though this year. Especially WMBY+US. She looked almost overwhelmed by the nightmatch against Razzano. I really hope she gets over her nerves next season in the GS's

spencercarlos
Oct 21st, 2006, 11:19 PM
How would you rate Hingis 2nd part of season ? Pretty disappointing at my side : I've already told why in other topics so I don't want to explain it again : I'm not a robot ;) YEC isn't played yet, I know but I don't expect that much from Martina at the YEC.
A couple of things to consider here:
1) She played 12 tournaments at the start of the year (first half) in which:
2 GS Quarterfinals
Played 5 Tier I events won 1 and 3rd, QF, SF, F in the others (rome, miami, berlin,iw,tokio)
4 Tier II events (1rd, QF, SF, 2nd) (sydney,dubai,doha, warsaw)
1 Tier III SF (Australian Wom Hardcourts Chmps)
0 Tier IV played

2)2nd half of the year had Hingis playing ONLY 7 events.
2 GS 3rd and 2nd round (bad for her i agree, not that poor because she at least won matches)
3 Tier I events F, Qf, Qf
0 Tier II events
1 Tier III event win
1 Tier IV event 2nd round

In comparisson Hingis played much more events in the first half of the year while in the second half of the year she played almost half of the amount of events. In the Grand Slams she played i agree she did badly running out of gas against Sugiyama at Wimbledon and looking gray and lost against Razzano at the Usopen, but oh well that happens Hingis.
In the Tier I events played in the second half of the year Hingis actually did pretty well, probably as good as she did in the first half of the year, considering she got to play just 3 of this events and not 5 (and different surfaces) like at the start of the year.
No Tier II events, probably she did a bad scheduling here, she should have dropped Seoul Tier IV and played a nice Tier II instead, probably a couple of Tier II events would have been nicer, but the case is she got to play 0 here
Tier III event won, very expected, still at this point, and considering her previous poor play against Razzano at the Usopen, nothing is guaranteed.
Tier IV Seoul loss to Mirza, Sania played the heck of a match and deserved the win, no excuses despite the bad scheduling between Kolkata and Seoul.

In the first half of the year Hingis lost only against top 20 players, the worst ranked Penetta at 19 when she beat Hingis in her first event, darn too impressive i should say, but we knew that consistency would be broken at some point. Some top ten players have lost to players outside the top 20, why a three and a half year retired should not? that is just retarded to think that :rolleyes:
The second half of the year featured Hingis losing to the likes of Sugiyama (ranked 21), Razzano out of the top 90 (i dont remmember exactly) and Mirza ranked around the 70ties when she beat Hingis in Seoul.
I can understand loses to Sugiyama and Mirza, a solid player (Ai) and an up and coming Mirza who has beaten some great players before (like Svetlana last year for example). But the Razzano´s loss is beyond my limits :help:, but so what a poor result, even some great players have had some poor results this year as well.
Mauresmo losing to Dechy in Eastbourne, all Petrova´s loses after Berlin, Venus´s loss to Pironkova at the Australian Open, Dementieva´s loss to SChruff at the Australian open, Henin loss to Shaugnessy in Miami, Schnyder losing to Muller in Strasbourg and some on.
Hingis´s second half of the year has been Good, while the first half was indeed in between Very Good to Excelent.
A decent player does not beat two top 25 and a top 10 player to reach a Tier I final, and decent player does not win tournaments, unless there is a fluke once in a while.

I would like to know what Martina Jeza and some others think of the likes of Schnyder, Jankovic, Safina, do you think those players are worse than DECENT-POOR (since Hingis is in that category) then? Because as far as i know they have 0 tournaments wins to their credit.