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Jakeev
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:30 PM
........why are people saying she held her hand up when she didn't? I went over it five times on YouTube and Maria definitely was facing Peer while she was wiping her face or whatever.

Now do I think the point should have been replayed at that point? Hell yeah, and Maria should at least acknowledged that. The umpire should have also.

And as for Shahar, she wasn't paying attention to it either.

Still though, people are making wayyyyyyyy more out of that than they should be. This clearly was not the same incident as the freaking Justine/Serena French Open incident.

Ryan
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:31 PM
To the hormonal 14 year old's it is. They probably haven't seen the match, let alone gone over it on youtube like anyone rational would do.

watchdogfish
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:34 PM
........why are people saying she held her hand up when she didn't? I went over it five times on YouTube and Maria definitely was facing Peer while she was wiping her face or whatever.

Now do I think the point should have been replayed at that point? Hell yeah, and Maria should at least acknowledged that. The umpire should have also.

And as for Shahar, she wasn't paying attention to it either.

Still though, people are making wayyyyyyyy more out of that than they should be. This clearly was not the same incident as the freaking Justine/Serena French Open incident.


No Maria didn't hold her hand up, but she did tell the umpire she was ready when she clearly wasn't.

QUEENLINDSAY
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:36 PM
The thing is both incidents were clearly unprofessional, unsportsman like conduct!

I will have no respect for this kinds of players even if they win 20 slams.

Jakeev
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:36 PM
No Maria didn't hold her hand up, but she did tell the umpire she was ready when she clearly wasn't.

I'm not disagreeing with that and why didn't Shahar catch that. Neither player seemed to be paying attention.

But all I am saying is get the situation right instead of making up crap.

franny
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:37 PM
Lol, and isn't it hilarious how barely anyone demonized Sprem for her incident and blamed it solely on the umpire. Here, everyone is blaming Sharapova. The difference is that Sprem played dumb(or if you give her the benefit of the doubt, didn't realized what was going on), while Maria spoke out. But considering the circumstances, I would have thought that taking a point from your opponent in the 2nd set tiebreak in Wimbledon would be worst than taking a point at 3-3 30-15 in the middle of a match in Zurich. Hmmm, is it the people loved that Venus lost or is it that people just hate on Maria? Or is it both?

mishagirl
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:37 PM
i didnt see a hand signal either. but maria did step back and wipe her face appearing as though she wasnt ready.

LH2HBH
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:37 PM
Exactly - fair is fair. Shahar wasn't paying attention either. People make such a big deal....

IceHock
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:39 PM
Lol, and isn't it hilarious how barely anyone demonized Sprem for her incident and blamed it solely on the umpire. Here, everyone is blaming Sharapova. The difference is that Sprem played dumb(or if you give her the benefit of the doubt, didn't realized what was going on), while Maria spoke out. But considering the circumstances, I would have thought that taking a point from your opponent in the 2nd set tiebreak in Wimbledon would be worst than taking a point at 3-3 30-15 in the middle of a match in Zurich. Hmmm, is it the people loved that Venus lost or is it that people just hate on Maria? Or is it both?

That incident is so different from this, if yah can blame Sprem you can blame Venus too for not noticing the score.

watchdogfish
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:41 PM
I'm not disagreeing with that and why didn't Shahar catch that. Neither player seemed to be paying attention.

But all I am saying is get the situation right instead of making up crap.


Oh no I know, and also the umpire should've been doing his job better. Personally I think this is being blown a bit out of proportion. If it happened during the final of the grand slam, that's one thing but 3-3 at 30-15 in a 2nd round match is a bit different

QUEENLINDSAY
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:41 PM
That incident is so different from this, if yah can blame Sprem you can blame Venus too for not noticing the score.

Also Venus did'nt even protest! Do you expect Sprem to protest on her behalf?

The Daviator
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:45 PM
People are giving Maria a hard time because she lied, whether you think Peer was in the wring too, it doesn't matter, Sharapova was asked 'Were you ready?', and she said 'Yes', even though she clearly wasn't, that's the problem...

LindsayRulz
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:46 PM
No Maria didn't hold her hand up, but she did tell the umpire she was ready when she clearly wasn't.

She clearly up her hand when Peer was serving... :rolleyes:

saki
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:48 PM
I have yet to see the incident but I think that, if Maria lied when she was asked about it, that it's a different issue to Justine's. And not a positive difference.

iPatty
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:27 AM
i've gone over it on youtube as well, and she definitely held her racket up with her right hand.

the point is, she lied to the umpire about not being ready, whether she held up her racket or not.

Andy.
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:28 AM
There is fault in both players, Shahar should have been looking and Maria was like "O well ill take that". she probably shoud have been more fair but its not that bad, as if we all havent done it.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:30 AM
Maria, clearly held her racket up whether it was because she was wiping her face or she was trying to signal Shahar.....for her racket to go up her hand has to go up, no? :unsure:

Anyway, here's what I said in the other thread about people blaming Shahar


Anyway, to defend Shahar, not that she needs it, when she went up for her 2nd serve she never tossed the ball up. It was just a hitch, she came down and immediately got back into her service motion. There was no reason for Maria to stand straight up, wipe her face, fiddle with her racket and some could argue she did that in an attempt to throw Shahar off so she would double fault. :shrug:

but really it's all moot because Maria was given an opportunity to rectify any confusion by telling the truth when asked and she chose not to do that and that has absolutely nothing to do with Shahar and everything to do with Maria. :shrug:

Boss monkey
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:32 AM
I'm not disagreeing with that and why didn't Shahar catch that. Neither player seemed to be paying attention.

But all I am saying is get the situation right instead of making up crap.
Maria clearly say she was ready for the point when she as not.

LeRoy.
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:32 AM
watch it again on full screen mode :shrug: She clearly pretended to be not ready and then when asked she lied :o

the cat
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:33 AM
Well said Jakeev. I guess those with blinders on still think Maria held up her hand like Henin did to Serena.

And Peer even won the game to go up 4-3 in the first set. It's time to move on.

Boss monkey
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:39 AM
think of it this way would you like it if someone cheated you out of point? no you would not so stop trying to make it seem like it did not matter. the players go out their and work for every single point! it is their job it is more then a game to them it is their life blood.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:39 AM
Well said Jakeev. I guess those with blinders on still think Maria held up her hand like Henin did to Serena.

And Peer even won the game to go up 4-3 in the first set. It's time to move on.

Serena won her game too, if I remember correctly. ;)

CrossCourt~Rally
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:43 AM
It would not have mattered in the end. Maria would have won the match just like Justine would have won the French match....hand incident or not. Move on people... :wavey: Buh Bye

iPatty
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:43 AM
It would not have mattered in the end. Maria would have won the match just like Justine would have won the French match....hand incident or not. Move on people... :wavey: Buh Bye

we're not talking about the result, we're talking about cheating, gamesmanship, and lack of character.

StarDuvallGrant
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:44 AM
It would not have mattered in the end. Maria would have won the match just like Justine would have won the French match....hand incident or not. Move on people... :wavey: Buh Bye

Are people arguing the end as much as they are arguing the individual moment itself :confused: The whole 'get over it' is rather a dismissive and rude attitude.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:17 AM
Are people arguing the end as much as they are arguing the individual moment itself :confused: The whole 'get over it' is rather a dismissive and rude attitude.

'The get over it' argument is basically what you get when they don't have anything to say that could defend the behavior. I mean a month from now you can tell someone to get over cause everything that could be discussed has but a couple of hours after an event? :lol:

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:23 AM
It would not have mattered in the end. Maria would have won the match just like Justine would have won the French match....hand incident or not. Move on people... :wavey: Buh Bye

I'm not going to touch the ridiculous Serena point but how do you know that it had no effect on the match? How do you know how Shahar emotionally reacted to blatant, in your face gamesmanship? We don't know what effect it had but to say it would not have mattered in the end is sad. People's lives have changed on much less so spare us the Maria would've won anyway excuse for behaving badly.

What's wrong with saying Maria lied...I like her anyway. I hope she doesn't do it again? :shrug:

excitement1995
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:33 AM
Once more let me correct this. Maria didn't show any sign of taking the ball anyway though not ready. there was absolutely no reaction from her after the serve.

There is fault in both players, Shahar should have been looking and Maria was like "O well ill take that". she probably shoud have been more fair but its not that bad, as if we all havent done it.

Jeff
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:34 AM
Where is the video on youtube? I searched and didn't find it :confused:

JackWalker
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:35 AM
she is a lying bitch. she gets under my skin more and more. i hope she gets her ass kicked.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:38 AM
Where is the video on youtube? I searched and didn't find it :confused:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8e1N74OOo

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:40 AM
The point is simple, whether or not she held up her hand. She clearly wasn't ready since she wasn't bending down to receive Peer's serve. Maria was also wiping off sweat on her hand using both arms :rolleyes: when Peer served. And she didn't even admit she wasn't ready.

Jeff
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:50 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8e1N74OOo

Thank you

Yes definetly another signature bitch move by Sharapova