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RenaSlam.
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:32 PM
Dispicable :mad:

It's actually at 30-15 Shahar serving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8e1N74OOo

:rolleyes: Maria :rolleyes:

DragonFlame
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:38 PM
lol, what a devil. She had her racket up and was whiping off her face with 1 hand. Okie she lied :lol:

The Daviator
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:40 PM
That's pretty bad, had the serve gone in she would have certainly said she wasn't ready...

pierce0415
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:40 PM
Maria :tape:

alfonsojose
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:40 PM
What a bitch :tape:

frenchie
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:42 PM
booooo at JHH!!! :rolleyes:

booooooo at Maria S!!!!! :rolleyes:

lot at Sarah Pitkowski who said Maria should be fined :lol: :tape:

Dasha_
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:46 PM
Bitch. But I am not suprised...

franny
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:47 PM
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.

njtennis11
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Thats pretty bad.

KoOlMaNsEaN
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:48 PM
Stupid Masha. Don't Players know WE KNOW when they cheat and therefore their repurations are tarnished for years to come... :mad:

Diam's
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:50 PM
:haha:

TenFan335
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:52 PM
To be fair- you can't call it "hand incident #2" when maria didn't raise her hand or signal Peer in anyway....

ampers&
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:52 PM
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.
that's what i was thinking.
Peer saw that Maria wasn't ready and she still chose to serve.
if the ball went in and Peer won the point, she wouldn't be complaining and Maria would be.
you can't really blame Maria for this alone.
maybe she was peeved that Peer decided to serve even though it was clear she wasn't ready? not justifying what she did, but it's difficult to place blame solely on her shoulders. both were at fault, imo. both would have been pissed if they were on the losing end of the point.

LoveFifteen
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:57 PM
Too bad the players don't brawl in tennis. Shahar could hit Maria with a helmet, and then Maria could stomp on Shahar's face.

Drake1980
Oct 19th, 2006, 09:58 PM
OMG, that was really harsh!!!:eek:

morningglory
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:01 PM
saw it, That was SO not ready! But one thing: Peer certainly did NOT miss that serve because she saw Maria wasn't ready at all...

Babolatpro880
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:03 PM
For one thing, you are supposed to play at the server's pace.

Also, players aren't necessarily paying attention to what the other player is doing. Peer served a fault, caught her second serve toss, then served her second serve. Maria stepped backwhile Peer had initiated her serving motion. Why do you think baseball players STILL THROW the pitch even if a player steps out at or around the beginning of their motion? Because INJURIES happen when you try and stop the momentum your body is already creating.

einna
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:11 PM
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.

well, people will say this had an effect because even if peer won the game, maria won the match.. i personally think this doesn't affect the outcome of the match since i think masha is the better player but I certainly can't convince people to think like me. :)

égalité
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:13 PM
Please :rolleyes: This is not "The Hand 2." It didn't effect the outcome of the match. Peer won the game anyway and probably forgot about the "incident" after the changeover.

dinhd82
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:15 PM
Please :rolleyes: This is not "The Hand 2." It didn't effect the outcome of the match. Peer won the game anyway and probably forgot about the "incident" after the changeover.

That's not even the point. The point is proof of Sharapova's bad character.

Piotr'ek
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:15 PM
Whats the problem? If Shahar saw Masha was not ready than why she served ? :tape:
She was trying get out from df, it was her fault, she should not serve.

TonyP
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:16 PM
I am not a Sharapova detractor. Infact, I have often defended her.

But that looked pretty bad. Peer was into her serve, looked up and found Maria had all but stepped out of the receiving box, so to speak. I have to think that had Peer's serve gone in, Maria would have claimed she wasn't ready.

Bottom line, this was not good sportsmanship on Maria's part and will go down as a black mark on her record.

WSfan
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:18 PM
I'm more disturbed by the fact when the umpire ask Sharapova if she was ready and she said yeah... :eek:

Paul.
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:19 PM
this video isnt working for me - it cuts off after about 50 seconds and asks if i want to watch it again. does anyone know how to fix this or can anyone post another link?

i think the way people are thinking about it, they are saying that shahar didnt see that maria wasnt ready so would have served a double fault anyway, but the fact is, if the serve had gone in then maria probably would have said that she wasnt ready. shahar's double fault didnt really matter at all - it was that maria lied about not being ready so that she could get the point.

if she had said that she wasnt ready, regardless of the double fault then the point would have been re-played. i think thats what the disputing is all about. but its done now, it cant be reversed and it didnt really influence the match. maybe we should just move on.

i was supposed to be off the board till linz but this is just too juicy to miss! :lol:

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:23 PM
:lol:

Lordy!

:haha:

watchdogfish
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:26 PM
I'm more disturbed by the fact when the umpire ask Sharapova if she was ready and she said yeah... :eek:


Same here :unsure:

Dexter
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:29 PM
Thx for posting... Great sport Maria.

UDACHi
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:31 PM
ok, i like them both, but come on shahar. maria was wiping her face before shahar started serving. why the fuck did she even toss the god damn ball in the first place? it was pretty obvious maria wasn't ready. so while i think maria should have admitted to not being ready when the umpire asked, shahar is a dumb fuck for trying to get away with serving while maria was CLEARLY not ready to receive.

and it isn't the hand incident #2 because maria didn't raise her hand.

rjd1111
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Notice that when Peer was serving and noticed Maria wasn't
ready it seemed she tried to arrest her serve and hit it in the
net. The ball might have gone in otherwise and she may have
won the pt.

The same thing happened to Serena.

Denise4925
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:40 PM
The Hand, The Sequel. :haha:

CoryAnnAvants#1
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:41 PM
ok, i like them both, but come on shahar. maria was wiping her face before shahar started serving. why the fuck did she even toss the god damn ball in the first place? it was pretty obvious maria wasn't ready. so while i think maria should have admitted to not being ready when the umpire asked, shahar is a dumb fuck for trying to get away with serving while maria was CLEARLY not ready to receive.

and it isn't the hand incident #2 because maria didn't raise her hand.

I don't think she was trying to screw Maria over. Maria was backing away from the ball and would've simply told the umpire what happened. I've done that before plenty of times. Sometimes you just get lost in your own pace.

Maria is a cheat, plain and simple. Not only was she BACKING AWAY from the baseline and clearly not ready to start a point, she then fucking lied to the umpire and said she was totally read to play.

While "Bananagate" was up for debate as to whether or not that was cheating, you can't see this incident as anything other than cheating. What a bitch. She should be fined for this and if she isn't, my respect for Larry Scott will decrease even further.

LindsayRulz
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:43 PM
She can say whatever she wants but she wasn't ready to play...

esquímaux
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Hilarity.

-Sonic-
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:49 PM
i LOVE how different people can see the same thing and yet from what I've read its almost as if they were watching something completely different.

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:51 PM
I'm more disturbed by the fact when the umpire ask Sharapova if she was ready and she said yeah... :eek:

That's the funniest part of it all.....and the nastiest. If Shahar had done this blah blah blah is pointless because nothing can change the fact that when Maria was asked a question point blank, she lied. :lol:

Paul.
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:55 PM
i just watched the video and, no matter what anyone says, maria was completely in the wrong and there is absolutely no doubting it. she wasnt ready but wanted the point anyway. i think peer saw that she wasnt ready after the serve and was thinking "why didnt she say anything"

bottom line - maria just came right out and lied to the umpire and to shahar and no doubt this will lose her a lot of respect.

but both of them stopped thinking about it way before we are ever going to!!!!! :lol:

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 10:57 PM
and everyone's right this isn't the Hand 2 because it was never a fact that Justine lied...some believe so through omission, others don't because she didn't verbally say anything......but this incident say what you want but Maria flat out told an untruth. :tape:

Anyway, to defend Shahar, not that she needs it, when she went up for her 2nd serve she never tossed the ball up. It was just a hitch, she came down and immediately got back into her service motion. There was no reason for Maria to stand straight up, wipe her face, fiddle with her racket and some could argue she did that in an attempt to throw Shahar off so she would double fault. :shrug:

Paul.
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:00 PM
and everyone's right this isn't the Hand 2 because it was never a fact that Justine lied...some believe so through omission, others don't because she didn't verbally say anything......but this incident say what you want but Maria flat out told an untruth. :tape:

Anyway, to defend Shahar, not that she needs it, when she went up for her 2nd serve she never tossed the ball up. It was just a hitch, she came down and immediately got back into her service motion. There was no reason for Maria to stand straight up, wipe her face, fiddle with her racket and some could argue she did that in an attempt to throw Shahar off so she would double fault. :shrug:you could tell that, throughout the match, shahar was getting more and more annoyed with maria's "bouncing round the baseline" thing when shahar was trying to serve. thats why her motion was always so stoppy-starty in my opinion ;) imagine seeing a bouncing sharapova out of the corner of your eye! :lol:

streag
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:06 PM
Don't think she lied, it must have been a misunderstanding. She shouldn't have let umpire decide for himself were she ready or not. Too dumb for doing that.

IceHock
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Don't think she lied, it must have been a misunderstanding. She shouldn't have let umpire decide for himself were she ready or not. Too dumb for doing that.

How is not lieing, he asks Maria, were you ready.She says, yes I was.She clearly wasn't, it's not even debatable.

QUEENLINDSAY
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:08 PM
Don't think she lied, it must have been a misunderstanding. She shouldn't have let umpire decide for himself were she ready or not. Too dumb for doing that.

:lol: I cant believed this people!

-Sonic-
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:09 PM
Anyway, to defend Shahar, not that she needs it, when she went up for her 2nd serve she never tossed the ball up. It was just a hitch, she came down and immediately got back into her service motion. There was no reason for Maria to stand straight up, wipe her face, fiddle with her racket and some could argue she did that in an attempt to throw Shahar off so she would double fault. :shrug:

The bottom line, IMO. :bow:

Dementinator
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:10 PM
oh dear that was naughty ,sure Peer could have stopped the serve ,but Maria SHOULD have told the truth ,well what goes around comes around..

I have said it before and I will say it again ,yes I will be bad repped becuase of it ,but dont confuse me with someone who gives a fuck ,as a tennis player Maria is top notch ,one of the best ,focused ,determined and ready to win ,as person she is an absolute shit ,a lying cheat who will do what ever it takes to swell her bank account and get adulation ,today isnt going to help her in the adulation stakes thats for sure.Guess thats the modern world and sports for you ,she aint unique I guess....

LeRoy.
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:23 PM
:o :sad:
Anyone defending this needs :help: imo.

the cat
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:27 PM
I always strive to be impartial and I shall again. What Maria did doesn't compare to what Justine Henin did to Serena Williams at the 2003 French Open. Besides Peer won the game to go up 4-3 in the first set. If Shar's second serve had gone in she would have won the point because Maria wasn't ready to return serve. That's Maria's fault. Peer should have just keep serving when she was ready to and Sharapova would have adjusted.

If Shar had made her second serve she would have wanted the point so she has to accept the fact that she hit a double fault and lost the point. And the same goes for Maria. If Shar's second serve went in Masha would have lost the point even if she wasn't ready.

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:38 PM
I always strive to be impartial and I shall again. What Maria did doesn't compare to what Justine Henin did to Serena Williams at the 2003 French Open. Besides Peer won the game to go up 4-3 in the first set. If Shar's second serve had gone in she would have won the point because Maria wasn't ready to return serve. That's Maria's fault. Peer should have just keep serving when she was ready to and Sharapova would have adjusted.

If Shar had made her second serve she would have wanted the point so she has to accept the fact that she hit a double fault and lost the point. And the same goes for Maria. If Shar's second serve went in Masha would have lost the point even if she wasn't ready.

oh poor the cat. :hug:

None of that changes the bold face lie Maria gave the umpire. :sad:

Although, I really don't agree with your assesment of the situation because it's not the server's responsibility to be ready when the receiver is it's the receiver's responsibility to be ready when the server is. That's why we play at the server's pace. Why Maria wasn't ready, when Shahar went up but didn't even toss the ball is debatable. However, when given an opportunity to clear everything up she chose the point over sportmanship. :shrug:

hotandspicey
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:40 PM
Shame on Maria. that's that holier than thou attitude...you wait on me, I don't wait on you. I'm the 'it' girl. Caught on tape in a lie by both actions and word is just f**ked (f#@ked) up. She's become as unscrupulous as Yuri :rolleyes:Tha's not the hand..it's the Arm part 1.

streag
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:44 PM
I guess some people are narrow-minded and have not enough imagination and/or intellect/experience. Really, "The will to be stupid is a very powerful force".

olivia100
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:47 PM
How is not lieing, he asks Maria, were you ready.She says, yes I was.She clearly wasn't, it's not even debatable.

This is so damn wrong. Correct it please.

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:47 PM
I guess some people are narrow-minded and have not enough imagination and/or intellect/experience. Really, "The will to be stupid is a very powerful force".

which part is narrow-minded? The ones who think she wasn't ready or the ones who thinks her lying to the umpire is unsportsmanlike? and if those are narrow-minded, I guess open-minded is understanding the need to cheat? :confused:

vesanto
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:47 PM
Well, I saw now the video on Youtube and it was pretty obvious that Sharapova raised her racket and she was not even looking to Peer. Still, if Peer saw that Sharapova wasn't ready, why did she serve? Still, if Sharapova was any decent, shw would have said that she was not ready and they should have repeated the point. She even lied to the referee when he asked her...she is a bitch but like everyone says, that doesn't come as a surprise from a spoiled girl with a arrogant attitude.

IceHock
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:49 PM
This is so damn wrong. Correct it please.

I'm so sorry olivia, I meant "lying".Wow saying something wrong in front of your presence makes me feel bad.

the cat
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:50 PM
Rocketta, Shahar should have just kept serving when she was ready too. It would then be up the the chair umpire to have Maria get ready. It's really quite simple to do. And yes Maria looks bad if she said she was ready to return serve when she wasn't. But Shahar would have taken the point if her second serve went in and Masha wasn't ready. ;)

Mrs. Peel
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:51 PM
I guess people will see what they want to see. :rolleyes:

That was a new low for Maria. :o Disgraceful to lie like that.

Rocketta
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:54 PM
Rocketta, Shahar should have just kept serving when she was ready too. It would then be up the the chair umpire to have Maria get ready. It's really quite simple to do. And yes Maria looks bad if she said she was ready to return serve when she wasn't. But Shahar would have taken the point if her second serve went in and Masha wasn't ready. ;)

:lol: of course Shahar would've taken the point because it's Maria's job to be ready. ;)

but to me that's all negated when Maria's asked if she was ready and she said yes. :shrug:

hacberto
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:56 PM
What a Bitch a pure Bitch with a capital B
If I was Sahar I'll beat that bitche's ass

I don't want to imagine Sharapova doing that same thing to Serena, I'm pretty sure that Serena would whop Maria's ass if Maria do that same thing to her.

By the way that'll be a really good fight :devil: see Serena beaten Maria :devil:

sapir1434
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:57 PM
The Hand #2 :lol:

hacberto
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:03 AM
Well, I saw now the video on Youtube and it was pretty obvious that Sharapova raised her racket and she was not even looking to Peer. Still, if Peer saw that Sharapova wasn't ready, why did she serve? Still, if Sharapova was any decent, shw would have said that she was not ready and they should have repeated the point. She even lied to the referee when he asked her...she is a bitch but like everyone says, that doesn't come as a surprise from a spoiled girl with a arrogant attitude.

God Bless you !! You tell it like it is , I like dat :D

:wavey:

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:09 AM
:bolt:

LadyLil
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:11 AM
If Shahar's serve had gone in Pova would have been screaming that she wasn't ready and that the point had to be replayed. She knew what she was doing. She cheated when she didn't have to.

Of course this will never be mentioned in the States by her media apologists since it happened in Zurich.

bmxbandit
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:13 AM
To be fair- you can't call it "hand incident #2" when maria didn't raise her hand or signal Peer in anyway....

LMAO, yea she did.

streag
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:19 AM
which part is narrow-minded? The ones who think she wasn't ready or the ones who thinks her lying to the umpire is unsportsmanlike? and if those are narrow-minded, I guess open-minded is understanding the need to cheat? :confused:
So you are absolutely sure that there was no any other reason for Sharapova to act in a way she did other than her presumably being liar and cheat? Isn't it a narrow-mindedness? I understand it's very opportune moment to jump on Sharapova if you feel strong dislike towards her, but to an impartial person it seems... unethical, mildly speaking.

Babolatpro880
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:24 AM
So you are absolutely sure that there was no any other reason for Sharapova to act in a way she did other than her presumably being liar and cheat? Isn't it a narrow-mindedness? I understand it's very opportune moment to jump on Sharapova if you feel strong dislike towards her, but to an impartial person it seems... unethical, mildly speaking.
If it's not lying or cheating, then what is it?

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:26 AM
So you are absolutely sure that there was no any other reason for Sharapova to act in a way she did other than her presumably being liar and cheat? Isn't it a narrow-mindedness? I understand it's very opportune moment to jump on Sharapova if you feel strong dislike towards her, but to an impartial person it seems... unethical, mildly speaking.

you'll have to refresh my memory and point to a post where I called her a cheat. :rolleyes:

yeah it's unethical to say someone lied who you see and hear do it, but not unethical to actual lie and accept a free point?? Is that what you're saying? :haha:

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:28 AM
If it's not lying or cheating, then what is it?

it's justified. :lol:

iWill
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:32 AM
that's what i was thinking.
Peer saw that Maria wasn't ready and she still chose to serve.
if the ball went in and Peer won the point, she wouldn't be complaining and Maria would be.
you can't really blame Maria for this alone.
maybe she was peeved that Peer decided to serve even though it was clear she wasn't ready? not justifying what she did, but it's difficult to place blame solely on her shoulders. both were at fault, imo. both would have been pissed if they were on the losing end of the point.

I didnt think she saw it until she looked up after she hit the ball but i saw on youtube so i cant be sure but either way Sharapova should have said she wasnt ready and if Shahar had took the point had the ball gone in and she wasnt ready i would think she should be honarble and given up the point to me there is no double standard you should play fair at all times on both ends thats all there is to it

streag
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:34 AM
If it's not lying or cheating, then what is it?
I think it's a misunderstanding and stupid hesitation on Maria's part. She's dumb enough to make mistakes like that. Umpire should have worded the question so that simple "yep" or "nope" would give an unambiguous answer. Or not ask any questions at all. Sharapova should have answered more clearly. So she said "yep", and umpire without much thinking told Peer "I checked her, she was ready", Maria was too dumb or hesitant to not to correct him (some think she's done it because she is a liar and a cheat) and voila, we have all this mess.

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:36 AM
What a bitch... You could clearly see that she was wiping her head off with her arms, and then pretend that, "yes", she was ready when the umpire asked. This is unsportsmanship-like.

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:37 AM
If Shahar's serve had gone in Pova would have been screaming that she wasn't ready and that the point had to be replayed. She knew what she was doing. She cheated when she didn't have to.

Of course this will never be mentioned in the States by her media apologists since it happened in Zurich.

Exactly.

XaDavK_Kapri
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:42 AM
I think it's a misunderstanding and stupid hesitation on Maria's part. She's dumb enough to make mistakes like that. Umpire should have worded the question so that simple "yep" or "nope" would give an unambiguous answer. Or not ask any questions at all. Sharapova should have answered more clearly. So she said "yep", and umpire without much thinking told Peer "I checked her, she was ready", Maria was too dumb or hesitant to not to correct him (some think she's done it because she is a liar and a cheat) and voila, we have all this mess.
Got it. So the debate should be over whether she's a liar and a cheat or just plain dumb ? ;)

streag
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:46 AM
you'll have to refresh my memory and point to a post where I called her a cheat. :rolleyes:

yeah it's unethical to say someone lied who you see and hear do it, but not unethical to actual lie and accept a free point?? Is that what you're saying? :haha:
I did not write that you called her a cheat. Though you called her a liar.
Well, why don't you just answer to my question? Are you sure or not? Omit the cheat word from my question if you think it suits you more.

streag
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:57 AM
Got it. So the debate should be over whether she's a liar and a cheat or just plain dumb ? ;)
There should be no debates about whether she's dumb or not. She most definitely is :)
People can be somewhat fuzzily divided into two categories, good analysts/strategists and good field agents, speaking in military terms. Some can think clearly only in calm, quiet environment, some are quick and smart in taking right decisions under pressure. Sharapova definitely is not a good field agent.

NuHorizons2see
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:04 AM
For all the people assuming Peer would of taken the point if her second serve went in, instead of double faulting are either mind readers or cheats like Sharapova is in this incident.
If the Umpire awarded the point to Peer, she might of acknowledge Maria wasn't ready and opted for a replay of the point. However that's something we will never found out.
Sharapova was clearly not ready for the serve and had the choice when asked by the umpire to simply tell the truth and have a let be played.
To me i'm not impressed by her actions and neither am I surprise. There's something about Maria's character that screams out 'I would do anything to win regardless'. She has no qualms with cheating or unsportmanship behaviour, just as long as she can get away with it and lift the trophy/prize at the end of the tournament.

This incident can be seen as evidence of how desperate Maria is to be the pinnacle of women's tennis and not caring whom she cheats/stamps on to get there.
She may in fact reach the top, but will have to come down sooner or later and all those people that's she's wronged will not be given her a helping hand on her downfall.

Stamp Paid
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:12 AM
LMAO!!!!!!!
Masha how gutty.

vettipooh
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:15 AM
If it's not lying or cheating, then what is it?
Politics!!!!!!:devil: :haha:
Totally unethical from Maria.:rolleyes:

go hingis
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:16 AM
I've watched but I'm at work and can't hear but I wanted to know could Shahar use one of her replays to prove Maria wasn't ready? LOL

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:19 AM
I've watched but I'm at work and can't hear but I wanted to know could Shahar use one of her replays to prove Maria wasn't ready? LOL
:lol:

Havok
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:24 AM
Ok so Sharapova decides to pull a little Seles/Pierce routine ritual where they move around just before they slap a return, the noise puts Peer off balance so she regroups and reserves immediately. During that split second Sharapova decides she has to walk back, wipe her face and force Shahar to wait to re-serve, meanwhile she was already serving :retard:. Good god that was so fucked up on so many different levels.

Mind you, as was stated here beforehand, Maria not being "ready" for the serve had nothing to do with the outcome of her hitting a doublefault.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:25 AM
WOW this is ridiculous. The defense some people give to this is also out of this world.

I have always been a fan of Maria. She hits weird with faulty techniques. But, I love the way she serves and the intensity she exudes on the tennis court. But, this hand thing is.... beyond words to describe. I am really really saddened to have seen that on tv.

SHE totally lied and conducted massive UNsportmanship right in front of EVERYONE not just the tv audience, but to the commentators and the LIVE audience. Did you all not hear the reactions from the live audience (ahh's, gasps) when Maria replied "yah" to the umpire's question "were you ready?" They all knew she lied because they all saw her raising her hand/racquet.

To those of you defending her: check your eyes or your intel level. Or hit replay on that clip again. If you are lazy to hit that replay. The French commentators did that favor for you already: IN SLOW MOTION. The WOMAN raised her racquet. She was NOT ready. And, yet still replied "YAH".

Absolutely ridiculous.

Maria.. You are losing fans by the day. I was so inspired by you when you won the USO. I even am adapting your serving motions on the tennis court because I think it's a beautiful service motion. I also AM EVEN trying to stitch together her USO black dress in time for Halloween with a long blond wig so I can be like her... But... Wow... simply... WOW...

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:32 AM
Correct. So any more defenders from Maria's advocates?

ys
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:39 AM
The whole episode sounds ridiculous.. I don't even know how to interpret it.. From one point of view, Peer should have gotten two serves, it seems. At the same time receiver is not allowed to be "not ready" between first and second serve, and after the first serve let can only happen due to outside interference. So, I guess, by rules, if Peer's serve would have gone in, Peer would have won the point, and Sharapova would have no say..

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:07 AM
These instances are becoming very common. As bls pointed out, Tati in Miami, banana incident at the USO, and now this.

Get it together Maria, you are portraying yourself as a selfish, ignorant twat these days.

ZeroSOFInfinity
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:11 AM
booooo at JHH!!! :rolleyes:

booooooo at Maria S!!!!! :rolleyes:

Booooooooooo at frenchie for making an ass of herself!!! :rolleyes:

Booooooooooo at Myskina for being a lousy player!!! :rolleyes:

I can do this kind of hating too... since you decide to start this kind of shit. :rolleyes:

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:16 AM
Boooo at the many hypocrits in the GM

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:19 AM
Boooo at the many hypocrits in the GM

And Boo to your denial.

Was Maria wrong or right?

-VSR-
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:39 AM
Ok, now that was horrible. I can't believe that, Maria was in the wrong completely. But why didn't the umpire notice... I don't know. Weird situations.

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:40 AM
And Boo to your denial.

Was Maria wrong or right?
Show me where I denied that Maria might have done the wrong thing....

Since you support perfect players then theres no hypocrisy in your comemnts

Brooks.
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:45 AM
you can't defend that...and if you try then obviously you'll defend anything :tape: :help:

Sharapova = JHH 2

this has been proven many times and quite frankly ..I am not surprised by this in the least...she has no sportsmanship

RJWCapriati
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:51 AM
Another reason why I hate that bitch

MH0861
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:54 AM
Wow. Sure, she won the point, but was it worth it? That move showed a complete lack of class, IMO. You could see throughout that game she was playing games with Shahar on her serve - she made Shahar wait a few times and stop mid-serve... and as someone pointed out, there was absolutely NO reason for her to all of a sudden put her racket up and wipe her face at that point in time.

It's just so dissapointing to see people not concede little things like these - just say "Yes, I wasn't ready, she should have another second serve"... but I guess the sport is way too competitive and I'm naive in this respect.

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:55 AM
Dispicable :mad:

It's actually at 30-15 Shahar serving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8e1N74OOo

:rolleyes: Maria :rolleyes:
Omg Sharapova, she just did the same hand job of Henin Hardenne RG 2003, what about some sportsmanship girls? Kind of sad to see this again :(

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:07 AM
Well, I saw now the video on Youtube and it was pretty obvious that Sharapova raised her racket and she was not even looking to Peer. Still, if Peer saw that Sharapova wasn't ready, why did she serve? Still, if Sharapova was any decent, shw would have said that she was not ready and they should have repeated the point. She even lied to the referee when he asked her...she is a bitch but like everyone says, that doesn't come as a surprise from a spoiled girl with a arrogant attitude.
Peer served because at first sight Maria was ready and when she started her service motion did not look at Maria, no one does that, you concentrate on your toss and your service action after you start it..

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:12 AM
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.
All Sharapova had to do was to stay with her hand up signaling she was not ready, umpire notices, and Peer would have been awared two serves. Yet again once you start your service motion you donīt pay attention to the receiver, you canīt stop midway through the service action to check if your oponnents is ready (for a second time) if you play tennis you should know that.

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Show me where I denied that Maria might have done the wrong thing....

Since you support perfect players then theres no hypocrisy in your comemnts

Serena has never been dishonest in the ways Maria and Justine have been in their respective "Hand" incidents. :rolleyes:

Miranda
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:17 AM
she clearly was not ready, but if the empire did not ask her whether she was ready and gave the point to her, its not that evil for me, coz deep down inside, everyone wants to win and not many players are so classy ;). But i do think if the empire really asked her if she was ready, and she said no, then its a lie and its totally a mis-grace :p

Kenny
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:31 AM
that's just shady.

goldenboi356
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:32 AM
how can she get away with something so blatant? :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery: :fiery:

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Wow. Sure, she won the point, but was it worth it? That move showed a complete lack of class, IMO. You could see throughout that game she was playing games with Shahar on her serve - she made Shahar wait a few times and stop mid-serve... and as someone pointed out, there was absolutely NO reason for her to all of a sudden put her racket up and wipe her face at that point in time.

It's just so dissapointing to see people not concede little things like these - just say "Yes, I wasn't ready, she should have another second serve"... but I guess the sport is way too competitive and I'm naive in this respect.

She said exactly that, what you wanted. Yes, I wasn't ready.
She said "yes", or "yep". Although some questions were raised what "yes" means in English when the question itself contains negation.
In some other languages you have to reply "no", in others, like French,
there is no problem: oui/si/non,
in English double negation is considered incorrect, therefore the "yes" answer was appropriate. That is my understanding, disputed by some

In any case, Peer had no business asking for repeat, because her serve was not affected. Maria did not make any sudden movements during the serving itself. She had her arm back down before Peer started the toss and served.
She lifted the other elbow when the ball hit the net.
Peer was perfectly happy with Maria's pose untill the ball hit the net.
Peer had the duty to make sure Maria was again ready, because she made Maria to move across the corner of the court by her aborted attempt.
But she chose to serve anyway, either without checking or not caring that Maria seemed not ready. Until she hit the net, then it became important to her.

Certanly Maria is very deliberate and methodical and does not rush into things, as far as serving or receiving is concerned,
but that was not deliberate stalling either, she was made to move by Peer and needed a reasonable time to get back and prepare.

Comparison with Justine is completely unfair.
Peer herself was to blame in the whole episode and was correctly punished by the umpire.
On the other hand, the umpire could have asked a direct question rather than a negative one, because now it never will be possible to prove one way or another what Maria meant. People who hate her will insist that she meant NO when she said YES. Such questions sholud be avoided in the first place. There is no point in arguing about the meaning,
this point eventually meant nothing, it only showed Peer in bad light,
if you don't wait until the opponent is ready, don't ask then for repeat, you should not have it both ways, if the serve was succesfull, then ok, I take it,
if not - let me repeat.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:51 AM
She said exactly that, what you wanted. Yes, I wasn't ready.
She said "yes", or "yep". Although some questions were raised what "yes" means in English when the question itself contains negation.
In some other languages you have to reply "no", in others, like French,
there is no problem: oui/si/non,
in English double negation is considered incorrect, therefore the "yes" answer was appropriate. That is my understanding, disputed by some

In any case, Peer had no business asking for repeat, because her serve was not affected. Maria did not make any sudden movements during the serving itself. She had her arm back down before Peer started the toss and served.
She lifted the other elbow when the ball hit the net.
Peer was perfectly happy with Maria's pose untill the ball hit the net.
Peer had the duty to make sure Maria was again ready, because she made Maria to move across the corner of the court by her aborted attempt.
But she chose to serve anyway, either without checking or not caring that Maria seemed not ready. Until she hit the net, then it became important to her.

Certanly Maria is very deliberate and methodical and does not rush into things, as far as serving or receiving is concerned,
but that was not deliberate stalling either, she was made to move by Peer and needed a reasonable time to get back and prepare.

Comparison with Justine is completely unfair.
Peer herself was to blame in the whole episode and was correctly punished by the umpire.
On the other hand, the umpire could have asked a direct question rather than a negative one, because now it never will be possible to prove one way or another what Maria meant. People who hate her will insist that she meant NO when she said YES. Such questions sholud be avoided in the first place. There is no point in arguing about the meaning,
this point eventually meant nothing, it only showed Peer in bad light,
if you don't wait until the opponent is ready, don't ask then for repeat, you should not have it both ways, if the serve was succesfull, then ok, I take it,
if not - let me repeat.


LOLOLOL :worship: I command you to even spend the time to type all that up.

Absolutely hilarious!!!!

What sort of illusional world do you live in? The point of argument is the following:

Umpire: "Were you ready?"
Maria: "Yes"
Audience & Commentators: GASPS!!! AHHHH'S!!!

Verdict: SHE LIED!!!

Plain and simple. Your explanation is of NO cause to the WHOLE point of this thread. MARIA is LIAR and a CHEATER.

BUT, I still love her and want to be her for Halloween!!

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:52 AM
All Sharapova had to do was to stay with her hand up signaling she was not ready, umpire notices, and Peer would have been awared two serves. Yet again once you start your service motion you donīt pay attention to the receiver, you canīt stop midway through the service action to check if your oponnents is ready (for a second time) if you play tennis you should know that.

She did not have her hand up and was not signalling anything,
she raised her elbow to reach her face with the arm and the arm was down again before Peer served. She did not make sudden movements indicating that she became unready during the serving itself.
Her pose remained the same, if it was ok for Peer to serve, than it should have been ok to accept the results of her serve as well.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:55 AM
She did not have her hand up and was not signalling anything,
she raised her elbow to reach her face with the arm and the arm was down again before Peer served. She did not make sudden movements indicating that she became unready during the serving itself.
Her pose remained the same, if it was ok for Peer to serve, than it should have been ok to accept the results of her serve as well.

BAWAHAHAHAHAH!!!

Do we live in La La Land today?

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 03:57 AM
Maria :haha: Such a bitch.

Good on Shahar for not making a big deal about it tho. :yeah: I really like her game, very fun to watch. :)

go hingis
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:03 AM
It's not the easy to hear but I'm not sure if the umpire asked "where you not ready" and maria said "yeh" ???

If she simply replied Yeh how can we be sure she wasn't agreeing yeh I wasn't ready???

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:07 AM
It's not the easy to hear but I'm not sure if the umpire asked "where you not ready" and maria said "yeh" ???

If she simply replied Yeh how can we be sure she wasn't agreeing yeh I wasn't ready???

Ok this is getting to the point where I feel like people are being ignorant and stupid on purpose. :rolleyes:

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:08 AM
LOLOLOL :worship: I command you to even spend the time to type all that up.

Absolutely hilarious!!!!

What sort of illusional world do you live in? The point of argument is the following:

Umpire: "Were you ready?"
Maria: "Yes"
Audience & Commentators: GASPS!!! AHHHH'S!!!

Verdict: SHE LIED!!!

Plain and simple. Your explanation is of NO cause to the WHOLE point of this thread. MARIA is LIAR and a CHEATER.

BUT, I still love her and want to be her for Halloween!!

You chose to remove NOT from the question:


Umpire : "Were you NOT ready?"
Maria "YES"
I personally understand it as "not ready"
Yes, I was not ready

I agree it was a wrong question to ask,
"Where you ready?" would have been much better.
Because now there is room for wondering what she actually meant.
Especially that English is a language where double nagations are not supposed to be used, but some others say that actually NO is used, which I find hard to believe.
In any case, if there is a rule in English, there are lots of people who violate it, especially with negations and double negations.

On the other hand she says she still is thinking in russian,
and in russian it is even more interesting,
"YES" may mean she was not ready, but perhaps not much used, "No" may mean she was not ready, and "YES NO" ("da niet") would have certainly meant that she was ready

So you see, because the question had NOT in it, it is not possible to tell with absolute certainty what she actually meant, and your verdict is wrong.

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:08 AM
omg maria... i dont hate u now... but that was like so much more juvenlie than justine

and then when i think about other recent incidents....

im glad u lost the game. i hope u lose more. and u learn most importantly.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:09 AM
It's not the easy to hear but I'm not sure if the umpire asked "where you not ready" and maria said "yeh" ???

If she simply replied Yeh how can we be sure she wasn't agreeing yeh I wasn't ready???

I don't know what language the commentators were speaking but the tone of their voices really made it seem like Maria committed a boo boo.

fufuqifuqishahah
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:09 AM
You chose to remove NOT from the question:


Umpire : "Were you NOT ready?"
Maria "YES"
I personally understand it as "not ready"
Yes, I was not ready

I agree it was a wrong question to ask,
"Where you ready?" would have been much better.
Because now there is room for wondering what she actually meant.
Especially that English is a language where double nagations are not supposed to be used, but some others say that actually NO is used, which I find hard to believe.
In any case, if there is a rule in English, there are lots of people who violate it, especially with negations and double negations.

On the other hand she says she still is thinking in russian,
and in russian it is even more interesting,
"YES" may mean she was not ready, but perhaps not much used, "No" may mean she was not ready, and "YES NO" ("da niet") would certainly meant that she was ready

So you see, because the question had NOT in it, it is not possible to tell with absolute certainty what she actually meant, and your verdict is wrong.


regardless... she started walking to the other side of the court once shahar missed

go hingis
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:15 AM
Ok this is getting to the point where I feel like people are being ignorant and stupid on purpose. :rolleyes:

Yes you, no other way to describe your post but stupid and ignorant.

I did say It was hard to hear and wasn't sure what exactly was said. Grow Up.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:20 AM
regardless... she started walking to the other side of the court once shahar missed

So?
Shahar had no business asking for repeat, obviously
She did not wait for Maria to get ready and served, perhaps mad at Maria that she was not in a hurry to get ready.
But she herself caused the whole problem by aborting the serve, but Maria already made several steps anyway, so Shahar had to be more considerate and wait, to look if Maria is ready again and then serve.
But when she missed, she used it as an excuse to ask for repeat.
That was really cheating. Good thing the umpire did not allow her to repeat.
So Maria's judgement was right to start walking.

Actually, Maria had every right to say: if she cosidered me to be ready when she served, then I was ready. No double jeopardy, pal.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:22 AM
You chose to remove NOT from the question:


Umpire : "Were you NOT ready?"
Maria "YES"
I personally understand it as "not ready"
Yes, I was not ready

I agree it was a wrong question to ask,
"Where you ready?" would have been much better.
Because now there is room for wondering what she actually meant.
Especially that English is a language where double nagations are not supposed to be used, but some others say that actually NO is used, which I find hard to believe.
In any case, if there is a rule in English, there are lots of people who violate it, especially with negations and double negations.

On the other hand she says she still is thinking in russian,
and in russian it is even more interesting,
"YES" may mean she was not ready, but perhaps not much used, "No" may mean she was not ready, and "YES NO" ("da niet") would have certainly meant that she was ready

So you see, because the question had NOT in it, it is not possible to tell with absolute certainty what she actually meant, and your verdict is wrong.

Maria speaks perfect English. I highly doubt she committed faulty English with double negation when she replied "Yeh".

In any case: Da Biatch is a phat liar. Take it or leave it. No questions asked.

BUT I LOVE HER!

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:24 AM
Yes you, no other way to describe your post but stupid and ignorant.

I did say It was hard to hear and wasn't sure what exactly was said. Grow Up.

it was hard to hear the beginning of the question:
".... not ready"
but "not ready" were clearly the last words in the question,
I admit that I am guessing the whole thing was "were you not ready?"
And she said short "yep" or "ya" something like that

Because of this NOT in the question, I think there is no point in arguing what she meant, we will never know for sure.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:24 AM
Yes you, no other way to describe your post but stupid and ignorant.

I did say It was hard to hear and wasn't sure what exactly was said. Grow Up.

dont get so personal ma dahlin. you are trying to protect something false and in doing that, you are making yourself looking like a fool. the one who needs to grow up is you. :angel:

mboyle
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:32 AM
To be fair- you can't call it "hand incident #2" when maria didn't raise her hand or signal Peer in anyway....

She clearly raised her racquet. That was so bitchy. I'm so hurt. So so so so so so so hurt.

Of course, J2H's was worse, because she was losing, and it was a grand slam semi-final, but the acts were the same. Wow, Maria...

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Maria speaks perfect English. I highly doubt she committed faulty English with double negation when she replied "Yeh".

In any case: Da Biatch is a phat liar. Take it or leave it. No questions asked.

BUT I LOVE HER!

I doubt if it was faulty English in the first place.
She did not use double negation, double negation would have been
"no" to a question containing "no" when trying to confirm the statement in the question.
Best to leave it at that, the question itself left enough room for uncertainty.


And she never lies, she is in her own zone above all these intrigues.
But she is totally focused and perhaps not cosiderate enough about others because nothing else exists for her, no outer world, until the match ends.
Other people want from her more human behaviour,
some smiles, some smashing of the racket, some empathy for the opponent, whatever..
They never get anything.

go hingis
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:35 AM
dont get so personal ma dahlin. you are trying to protect something false and in doing that, you are making yourself looking like a fool. the one who needs to grow up is you. :angel:

:rolleyes: Ur the one who got personal. I'm not trying to protect anything, I said what I had to say on the subject without insulting anyone else. unlike you.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:40 AM
I doubt if it was faulty English in the first place.
She did not use double negation, double negation would have been
"no" to a question containing "no" when trying to confirm the statement in the question.
Best to leave it at that, the question itself left enough room for uncertainty.


And she never lies, she is in her own zone above all these intrigues.
But she is totally focused and perhaps not cosiderate enough about others because nothing else exists for her, no outer world, until the match ends.
Other people want from her more human behaviour,
some smiles, some smashing of the racket, some empathy for the opponent, whatever..
They never get anything.

I really give you points for being fair and taking the time to defend this incident with your ideology and believed facts. However, to say Maria never lies is untrue.

If you really want to nitpick and delve into it deeper. To be a professional tennis player at her level ( a top 10 player who's been ranked number 1), you HAVE to have lied to reach where you are at. Maria did just that today.

She could have been doing it all the time to a smaller degree. The difference is that what she did today was caught on tape. Also is of greater severity as compared to banana or the tati situation. I personally think the banana incident gotten out of hand and the tati situation, well, Maria is just being herself: competitive.

But, this, today. She lied. You can not take that away from her. She is a liar. Everyone is. But, she lied on a tennis court in front of the world. And, with her starpower - that's something enormous.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:41 AM
:rolleyes: Ur the one who got personal. I'm not trying to protect anything, I said what I had to say on the subject without insulting anyone else. unlike you.

oh well. since we both like hingis, i'll just have to take everything you say with a grain of salt. c'est la vie.

Arhivarius
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:44 AM
Dispicable :mad:

It's actually at 30-15 Shahar serving.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8e1N74OOo

:rolleyes: Maria :rolleyes:

Ye -Ye. And she drinks the blood of innocent babies, too. :lol:

venus_rulez
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:45 AM
How funny that the people who said Maria MIGHT have been confused by the double negative are refusing to accept that Shahar MIGHT have seen Maria not ready mid serve and that caused her to double fault. How in the world can we expect our political leaders to not be so partisan about significant matters when people on a tennis board can't even admit that thir fave acted in a shady matter. :shrug:

In The Zone
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:47 AM
Oh my god!
Maria Sharapova.
I have lost all respect for her. I am appalled. The Golovin match at Miami. The Banana Incident at the US Open and now this.
That was SO disgusting. How can she claim she was ready when her eyes were in her disgusting arm pores? She was wiping her face for goodness sake.
I am so sorry for all her fans but she is setting an extremely poor example. I cannot fathom any defense to this. Maria Sharapova, you should be extremely ashamed of yourself.

einna
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Actually, Maria had every right to say: if she cosidered me to be ready when she served, then I was ready. No double jeopardy, pal.

I am a fan of maria but i have to admit, when she answered yes to the umpire's question, she did lie.. we are not talking about the rights of the players.. because peer also has the right to say that 'well, she isn't really ready, can i have another serve?'

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:51 AM
She clearly raised her racquet. That was so bitchy. I'm so hurt. So so so so so so so hurt.

Of course, J2H's was worse, because she was losing, and it was a grand slam semi-final, but the acts were the same. Wow, Maria...


Maria did not raise her racquet , she raised her elbow as if to wipe her face with the upper arm, .
But she lowered it before Peer served. Then she raised the other elbow.
Any racquet movement was secondary

Anyway, I think that Peer saw Maria standing straigt, not ready, she absolutely had to see her,
but perhaps she assumed that Maria would get ready in the same time when she tosses the ball to serve, and she did not want to wait, because she considered that Maria was too slow to get ready.
So then Peer might have been somewhat suprised that Maria stayed up

So it is a bit gray area to me, should she have waited, or was she justified in beginng the serving sequence and letting Maria to catch up.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:55 AM
I am a fan of maria but i have to admit, when she answered yes to the umpire's question, she did lie.. we are not talking about the rights of the players.. because peer also has the right to say that 'well, she isn't really ready, can i have another serve?'

Did she lie or not - that is exactly the point we should leave not resolved,
and the presumption of innocence then makes us to assume that she did not lie.
Because the question itself contained a statement with negation in it (NOT),
there is enough doubt what "yes" answer meant. For me it meant "not ready",
I was really surprised to hear that others consider "no" correct Englsh in such a case.

venus_rulez
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:59 AM
Did she lie or not - that is exactly the point we should leave not resolved,
and the presumption of innocence then makes us to assume that she did not lie.
Because the question itself contained a statement with negation in it (NOT),
there is enough doubt what "yes" answer meant. For me it meant "not ready",
I was really surprised to hear that others consider "no" correct Englsh in such a case.


You don't think it's at all strange that in order to presumer Maria's innocence (in this case that she didn't flat out lie) that we are having to break down a language?

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:59 AM
How funny that the people who said Maria MIGHT have been confused by the double negative are refusing to accept that Shahar MIGHT have seen Maria not ready mid serve and that caused her to double fault. How in the world can we expect our political leaders to not be so partisan about significant matters when people on a tennis board can't even admit that thir fave acted in a shady matter. :shrug:

I am not refusing to accept that.
First, I am absolutely convinced that Sharah saw Maria not ready and still decided to serve. There is no way she did not see her, you never played tennis if you believe that.
But at the same time, Sharah may have assumed that Maria will get ready in a hurry when she tosses the ball, she wanted sort of force Maria to get ready on her own terms, not on Maria's. But Maria stayed standing and that may have startled Sharah.
I am ready to accept that scenario.

desario1
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:00 AM
Did she lie or not - that is exactly the point we should leave not resolved,
and the presumption of innocence then makes us to assume that she did not lie.
Because the question itself contained a statement with negation in it (NOT),
there is enough doubt what "yes" answer meant. For me it meant "not ready",
I was really surprised to hear that others consider "no" correct Englsh in such a case.

da woman is not innocent. lawd have mercy. :help: god have mercy on me! :devil:

go hingis
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:02 AM
Maybe we should have a new rule. No-one can serve until the umpire checks both players and says "play the ball". If your not ready after that too bad.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:06 AM
You don't think it's at all strange that in order to presumer Maria's innocence (in this case that she didn't flat out lie) that we are having to break down a language?

Break down, really? That is a disputable point, in my opinion,
"Yes, I was not ready" sounds perfectly all right to me,
"No, I was not ready" sounds like a double negative,
in other languages that might be ok, but not in English.
But I may be wrong. And so are millions of Americans making various mistakes in their native language. Therefore for someone who thinks in russian...
I am just saying that there is enough room for doubt as to what she meant.

You should direct your criticism at the umpire for using NOT in the question,
it all is his fault.

venus_rulez
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:07 AM
I am not refusing to accept that.
First, I am absolutely convinced that Sharah saw Maria not ready and still decided to serve. There is no way she did not see her, you never played tennis if you believe that.
But at the same time, Sharah may have assumed that Maria will get ready in a hurry when she tosses the ball, she wanted sort of force Maria to get ready on her own terms, not on Maria's. But Maria stayed standing and that may have startled Sharah.
I am ready to accept that scenario.


You know that just because you say "If i believe that i've never played tennis." doesn't mean it's true.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:08 AM
da woman is not innocent. lawd have mercy. :help: god have mercy on me! :devil:

See, your Jamaican English is different too :)

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:15 AM
You know that just because you say "If i believe that i've never played tennis." doesn't mean it's true.

So what is wrong with my scenario? It seems the most likely one to me,
and it is probably nothing wrong for Peer to serve without waiting for the opponent to get ready, especially that she may have been mad at Maria.
if she stays standing upright, hey, perhaps she wants to receive the serve in that pose...
i believe certain players get down to full attention in sync with the server,
they might stay standing til the last moment. There is no need to crunch down and wait for the serve. You keep standing but observing the serving player ready to get ready instantly.

faboozadoo15
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:18 AM
:haha: who ISN'T ready to receive a serve that didn't make it over the net?

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Oh my god!
Maria Sharapova.
I have lost all respect for her. I am appalled. The Golovin match at Miami. The Banana Incident at the US Open and now this.
That was SO disgusting. How can she claim she was ready when her eyes were in her disgusting arm pores? She was wiping her face for goodness sake.
I am so sorry for all her fans but she is setting an extremely poor example. I cannot fathom any defense to this. Maria Sharapova, you should be extremely ashamed of yourself.

Excellent spoof!!
Those idiiots actually blame Maria for something in Miami with Golovin,
which is absolutely crazy, and they blame her for banana, which tops everything.
You know, there are certain gray areas in what happend here with Peer,
although your assertion that she claimed she was ready is not proven,
as far as I can tell, she was asked and said she was not ready, but some dispute that becase of NOT in the question itself.

However, there was nothing whatsover to blame Maria about in Miami or with banana so, so peaple who try to pin some blame on her about that are really worthy our contempt.. They are just low lifes.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:22 AM
:haha: who ISN'T ready to receive a serve that didn't make it over the net?
That's so not the point. :shrug: The fact that Maria wasnt ready to recieve the serve (whether it was in out or in the net) should have resulted in a replay of the serve. And she lied about it, which was really low.

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einna
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:24 AM
Break down, really? That is a disputable point, in my opinion,
"Yes, I was not ready" sounds perfectly all right to me,
"No, I was not ready" sounds like a double negative,
in other languages that might be ok, but not in English.
But I may be wrong. And so are millions of Americans making various mistakes in their native language. Therefore for someone who thinks in russian...
I am just saying that there is enough room for doubt as to what she meant.

You should direct your criticism at the umpire for using NOT in the question,
it all is his fault.

when we were taught english.. we are always told to say 'no, I'm not' no matter how the question is worded..

and my officemate before asked me if i wasn't ready to leave (i'm working in the US right now).. i said yes.. (meaning yes, i'm not ready) and he had to ask me again.. no, you're not ready or yes, you are ready?

so, even if she said 'yes' meaning yeah, i'm not ready.. and if the umpire misunderstood her answer, she didn't correct it... so i believe she meant 'yes, i'm ready'

Marcus Jordan
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:25 AM
I don't understand why Sharapova didn't say something. Its like she has no respect for her opponent. :o

shibi
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:26 AM
Deplorable Masha. :o

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:29 AM
That's so not the point. :shrug: The fact that Maria wasnt ready to recieve the serve (whether it was in out or in the net) should have resulted in a replay of the serve. And she lied about it, which was really low.

Please stop lying yourself. She did not lie about it.
That is one area where nobody knows what she meant, when she answered that question, thanks to the umpire who was not able to ask clearly...
Yes, I was NOT ready.
Is it good English or not?
As much as I remember Enghlish from school, in English there are no double negations, you answer YES if the question itself contains NO, and you want to confirm the statement in the question..
And if I'm wrong, if it is not correct English, there are millions of people who make language mistakes everyday, even Americans born in America, but they mean well.
So we just cannot argue about that, and we cannot claim she said she was ready or she said she was not ready.

venus_rulez
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:33 AM
So what is wrong with my scenario? It seems the most likely one to me,
and it is probably nothing wrong for Peer to serve without waiting for the opponent to get ready, especially that she may have been mad at Maria.
if she stays standing upright, hey, perhaps she wants to receive the serve in that pose...
i believe certain players get down to full attention in sync with the server,
they might stay standing til the last moment. There is no need to crunch down and wait for the serve. You keep standing but observing the serving player ready to get ready instantly.


The "most likely" scenario to you involves language analysis and going against what most everyone on this board, including some Maria fans, who think she purposely lied about what happened? Right.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:35 AM
Please stop lying yourself. She did not lie about it.
That is one area where nobody knows what she meant, when she answered that question, thanks to the umpire who was not able to ask clearly...
Yes, I was NOT ready.
Is it good English or not?
As much as I remember Enghlish from school, in English there are no double negations, you answer YES if the question itself contains NO, and you want to confirm the statement in the question..
And if I'm wrong, if it is not correct English, there are millions of people who make language mistakes everyday, even Americans born in America, but they mean well.
So we just cannot argue about that, and we cannot claim she said she was ready or she said she was not ready.
Oh gimme a freakin break. Whether its proper english or not is beside the point. When she said "yeah" she meant it as to say she WAS ready, as evidenced by the fact that she didnt go back to the other side to concede that the serve should be retaken.

Stop trying to justify what Maria did, it was gross. And anyone (even hardcore fans) who tries to justify it is just lying to themselves. To say Maria is a bad person because of this issue also is wrong, cause we all make mistakes... but it certainly isnt something Id be proud of as Maria, or as a fan of hers.

einna
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:36 AM
please, let us not make this a language issue....

Apoleb
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:39 AM
:haha: :haha: :haha: @ "Marspot". You can't be that :weirdo:

That was downright tacky, period. She tried to disrupt her rhythm several time in that SAME point. She stood in her place, for that second serve, and then moved AFTER Peer started her motion, then she directly moved to the other side once Peer hit the net.

If you want to defend her, at least do it on a basis that she's a bitch who will do anything to win, and you like that.

Prizeidiot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:40 AM
:eek:

So many threads to respond to, but this one has the actual incident in a clip.

I guess there isn't a whole lot of defense for what Maria did. She clearly wasn't ready for the serve and didn't admit it when asked.

And the argument that it's a second round match and she was never going to lose is rubbish. It actually begs the question, if you can't play fairly when nothing is on the line, how can you play fairly when you actually have something to play for?

Hachiko
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:48 AM
Bitch.

*Jean*
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:52 AM
What happened ? :confused:

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:55 AM
What happened ? :confused:
Click the youtube video in the first post :kiss:

It was the second coming of Justine-Serena THE HAND @ RG basically.

*Jean*
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:56 AM
Ooh...nothing very special about that, I expected much blood and tears :lol: Just a bitchy attitude from the bitch of WTA, what's wrong ? ;)

ioni
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:57 AM
:nerner:

Prizeidiot
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:58 AM
Go to the first post of this thread, and there will be a clip you can watch. It takes about a minute to get to the fun stuff though

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:04 AM
The "most likely" scenario to you involves language analysis and going against what most everyone on this board, including some Maria fans, who think she purposely lied about what happened? Right.



"she purposely lied" Here you go again.
I think there is no point in arguing with you because you have an agenda,
you are not openminded.

She may have lied, though, or not, but it cannot be proven.
She just said yes, just as I would have said if I wanted to say I was not ready. Without any language analysis. The language analysis may turn out to be against my understanding, some people insist that correct answer would have been no. At this point I am very sceptical about that, too
it is English, and in English two NOs in a sentence result in YES,
therefore correct is to use one NO, so that the result is YES.
Because NO was already in question, you have to answer YES to get NO in the result. That is the difference between English and many other languages,
where multiple negations do not invert one another.
If some people do not recognize that there is an open question what yes meant, then they have an agenda, as I said.

tennisbear7
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:05 AM
Why is every one surprised?

Masha was brought up to think that the only things in life which have the worth of being even glanced at are money, family and winning. No matter what the cost is.

It's purely bad sportsmanship but you can't blame her.

perseus2006
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:09 AM
I think the explaination is simpler than everyone is making it.

Consider the situation: Peer is on second serve. By definition the receiver is ready unless the hand is clearly in the air saying "not ready". Pova did not give a "not ready" hand signal at this time to Peer. She was consequently ready to receive, in her mind, regardless of her position or movement on the court.

Her reply of "yep" meant that she had not given Peer the "not ready" signal. And the vid confirms she did not signal Peer.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:10 AM
"she purposely lied" Here you go again.
I think there is no point in arguing with you because you have an agenda,
you are not openminded.

She may have lied, though, or not, but it cannot be proven.
She just said yes, just as I would have said if I wanted to say I was not ready. Without any language analysis. The language analysis may turn out to be against my understanding, some people insist that correct answer would have been no. At this point I am very sceptical about that, too
it is English, and in English two NOs in a sentence result in YES,
therefore correct is to use one NO, so that the result is YES.
Because NO was already in question, you have to answer YES to get NO in the result. That is the difference between English and many other languages,
where multiple negations do not invert one another.
If some people do not recognize that there is an open question what yes meant, then they have an agenda, as I said.
See but your analysis of the proper english in this context just doesnt matter tho. We all know what Maria meant when she said "yeah," even if it doesnt go with what she should have said given the way the umpire phrased the question. And her actions (or lack of actions) after she replied the "yeah" speak for themselves.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:11 AM
I think the explaination is simpler than everyone is making it.

Consider the situation: Peer is on second serve. By definition the receiver is ready unless the hand is clearly in the air saying "not ready". Pova did not give a "not ready" hand signal at this time to Peer. She was consequently ready to receive, in her mind, regardless of her position or movement on the court.

Her reply of "yep" meant that she had not given Peer the "not ready" signal. And the vid confirms she did not signal Peer.
She didnt signal Peer? :weirdo: WTF? lol Peer didnt get the signal initially because by the time Maria started back because she wasnt ready, Shahar was already in the middle of her service motion looking up at her toss.

I really dont get some ppl AT ALL, sigh. :tape:

Apoleb
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:11 AM
I think the explaination is simpler than everyone is making it.

Consider the situation: Peer is on second serve. By definition the receiver is ready unless the hand is clearly in the air saying "not ready". Pova did not give a "not ready" hand signal at this time to Peer. She was consequently ready to receive, in her mind, regardless of her position or movement on the court.

Her reply of "yep" meant that she had not given Peer the "not ready" signal. And the vid confirms she did not signal Peer.

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

omg. I'm almost short of breath. It just amazes me how far some people go to rationalize this.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:16 AM
when we were taught english.. we are always told to say 'no, I'm not' no matter how the question is worded..

and my officemate before asked me if i wasn't ready to leave (i'm working in the US right now).. i said yes.. (meaning yes, i'm not ready) and he had to ask me again.. no, you're not ready or yes, you are ready?

so, even if she said 'yes' meaning yeah, i'm not ready.. and if the umpire misunderstood her answer, she didn't correct it... so i believe she meant 'yes, i'm ready'

Perhaps you are right then, about the correct usage of "no",
because if you take only this short fragment:

yes, I'm not - it sounds very wrong.

On the other hand, here NOT is with the verb itsef, there it is sort of bundled with "ready",

I mean:

yes, I was - sounds good
yes, I was (not ready) - still perhaps sounds good to me
yes, I was not ready - and therefore also perhaps good

as opposed to:

yes, I wasn't - sounds wrong, better:
no, I wasn't
no, I wasn't ready

So, if the question would have been "weren't you ready?"
instead of "were you not ready?"
?
I don't know if such subtle things make any difference in usage, perhaps not.
Interesting stuff.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:17 AM
LOL, I give up.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:25 AM
LOL, I give up.

yeah, getting off topic, pure language interest

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:25 AM
its a new technique for recieving 2nd serve :p standing behind the baseline with the racquet in the opposite hand, wiping your face. It will catch on :hehehe:

markspot owns anyone who wants to talk about spelling/grammar/speech ;)

bruingirl
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:26 AM
:eek:

So many threads to respond to, but this one has the actual incident in a clip.

I guess there isn't a whole lot of defense for what Maria did. She clearly wasn't ready for the serve and didn't admit it when asked.

And the argument that it's a second round match and she was never going to lose is rubbish. It actually begs the question, if you can't play fairly when nothing is on the line, how can you play fairly when you actually have something to play for?

Totally agree. IMHO it's irrelevant whether Shahar should have served, whether Shahar would have won the point, that Shahar won the game and it didn't affect the outcome of the match. The issue is that Maria wasn't ready to receive that second serve, she put up her hand, and when the umpire asked whether she was ready, she lied and said yes. I've always admired Sharapova's guts and determination, but sometimes she just goes too far with the whole win-at-all-costs attitude.

Josh.
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:27 AM
how was the handshake at the end? :lol:

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:32 AM
[QUOTE=Dan23]its a new technique for recieving 2nd serve :p standing behind the baseline with the racquet in the opposite hand, wiping your face. It will catch on :hehehe:

QUOTE]

Yes it may catch on, it is a very insulting way to receive the second serve, though.
At least standing behind the baseline, not just behind the service line :)

But seriously, Maria has this preparation for serving sequence, always the same, I wonder if she also has a preparation for receiving sequence,
perhaps she always wipes her face before receiving?
Will have to look at recordings.

faboozadoo15
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:37 AM
LOL, I give up.
mmmmmm love your avatar.

we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue though before we even begin to discuss it. ;)

I personally hate it when someone is rushing me into returning. i'm allowed my time, and i RARELY have ever had problems, but i've had numerous opponents who tried to quick-serve me. if the ball went in i'd be like "what the hell, i wasn't even in position... did you even look over here?" and if it goes out, i'll just pretend i was ready, and if it was a second serve that went out, off to the other side i go. if my opponent isn't even looking in my direction to see if i was ready, that's their problem. that's part of tennis. if they're going to throw away serves like that, their deal. i don't smack alls at them when they aren't ready. that's the rude side of the story if you ask me...

Reuchlin
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:50 AM
This is not hand number two because SERENA JUST LOST A FIRST SERVE IN HAND NUMBER 1 and NOT A WHOLE POINT.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 06:51 AM
Totally agree. IMHO it's irrelevant whether Shahar should have served, whether Shahar would have won the point, that Shahar won the game and it didn't affect the outcome of the match. The issue is that Maria wasn't ready to receive that second serve, she put up her hand, and when the umpire asked whether she was ready, she lied and said yes. I've always admired Sharapova's guts and determination, but sometimes she just goes too far with the whole win-at-all-costs attitude.

Again you are wrong about both the raised hand and her answer.

1 she did not raise her hand as if to signal she was not ready, but just her elbow to wipe her face with the upper arm.

2. she had already her arm down when Peer served.
But immediately after the serve she raised the other elbow.

3. She said yes which may have meant "yes, I was not ready", because she was asked such a question. The question had negation, but not attached to the verb "were" but rather to "ready"
"were you (not ready)?"
for me requires "YES",
but
"weren't you ready?"
would require "NO"

Now, you are making jokes about language analysis, etc.,
but there is plenty of room for misunderstanding here.

4. she did not attempt to correct the umpire about her answer, though,
if she meant "not ready"

5. she was probably a bit mad at Peer for not waiting and was not in the mood to volunteer any favors for her, if umpire screwed up the question.
She probably also felt that if she was not ready, then she was at disadvantage, not Peer, and there was no reason to get out of her way to allow Peer to try again, when she should have waited in the first place.

A very different story would have been if she explicitly tried to signal Peer to stop in the middle of the serving, and then pretended she was ready.
That would have been inexcusable whatsoever.
But it did not happen. Nothing like that happened.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:06 AM
mmmmmm love your avatar.

we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue though before we even begin to discuss it. ;)

I personally hate it when someone is rushing me into returning. i'm allowed my time, and i RARELY have ever had problems, but i've had numerous opponents who tried to quick-serve me. if the ball went in i'd be like "what the hell, i wasn't even in position... did you even look over here?" and if it goes out, i'll just pretend i was ready, and if it was a second serve that went out, off to the other side i go. if my opponent isn't even looking in my direction to see if i was ready, that's their problem. that's part of tennis. if they're going to throw away serves like that, their deal. i don't smack alls at them when they aren't ready. that's the rude side of the story if you ask me...

I agree.
If Peer failed to look whether Maria was ready, or if she served anyway seeing she was not ready, that is her problem
But when she wants a repeat afterwards it is like wanting to have it both ways, putting Maria into double jeopardy.

People pointed out that there was some bad blood going between them,
Peer unhappy because Maria was taking time to get ready, time and time again, slower than Peer would have liked.
And Maria obviously pissed off that Peer was rushing her and not even waiting.

Where I draw the line is deliberate cheating, like signalling with the hand you are not ready in the middle of the serving motion, and then claiming you were ready.
But nothing like that happened here

Experimentee
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:42 AM
Maria clearly indicated she wasnt ready then said she was :rolleyes:

:inlove:
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:46 AM
That's my girl. :smooch: :lol:

Experimentee
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:48 AM
Again you are wrong about both the raised hand and her answer.

1 she did not raise her hand as if to signal she was not ready, but just her elbow to wipe her face with the upper arm.

2. she had already her arm down when Peer served.
But immediately after the serve she raised the other elbow.

3. She said yes which may have meant "yes, I was not ready", because she was asked such a question. The question had negation, but not attached to the verb "were" but rather to "ready"
"were you (not ready)?"
for me requires "YES",
but
"weren't you ready?"
would require "NO"

Now, you are making jokes about language analysis, etc.,
but there is plenty of room for misunderstanding here.

4. she did not attempt to correct the umpire about her answer, though,
if she meant "not ready"

5. she was probably a bit mad at Peer for not waiting and was not in the mood to volunteer any favors for her, if umpire screwed up the question.
She probably also felt that if she was not ready, then she was at disadvantage, not Peer, and there was no reason to get out of her way to allow Peer to try again, when she should have waited in the first place.

A very different story would have been if she explicitly tried to signal Peer to stop in the middle of the serving, and then pretended she was ready.
That would have been inexcusable whatsoever.
But it did not happen. Nothing like that happened.

The language stuff is irrelevant, as Maria went to play the next point after she answered, so she clearly meant to say she was ready. She speaks English better than she does Russian anyway, its not like she is bad at it. Amazing what lengths ppl will go to defend her!

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:49 AM
That's my girl. :smooch: :lol:
:haha:

In all honesty if one of my faves did something like that this is all I'd say about the matter. :lol: I certainly wouldnt try to justify it tho, and it still mystifies me that her fans are. What happened in this situation is quite clear, and any attempts to over-analyze the situation into a non-issue are just too blind, as Maria fans, to accept what really happened.

But it's all good.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:50 AM
The language stuff is irrelevant, as Maria went to play the next point after she answered, so she clearly meant to say she was ready. She speaks English better than she does Russian anyway, its not like she is bad at it. Amazing what lengths ppl will go to defend her!
Ive already explained that to him LOL.

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Maria clearly indicated she wasnt ready then said she was :rolleyes:

Wrong on both, she indicated nothing, she was just preparing,
she did not give any sign to wait or anything.
And she did not say she was ready, she said yes when asked if NOT ready
Understand as you like.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:45 AM
Wrong on both, she indicated nothing, she was just preparing,
she did not give any sign to wait or anything.
And she did not say she was ready, she said yes when asked if NOT ready
Understand as you like.
LOL @ her not giving any "sign" to wait. The fact of the matter is she wasnt ready, and anyone could see that just by looking at her. I dont care what "sign" she gave, she wasnt prepared to recieve that serve.

And again with the english structure argument :lol: If thats the case, and she in fact did mean "Yeah, I wasnt ready" then why didnt she go back to the other side of the court to prepare to retake the serve? :confused:

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:53 AM
mmmmmm love your avatar.

we'll just have to agree to disagree on this issue though before we even begin to discuss it. ;)

I personally hate it when someone is rushing me into returning. i'm allowed my time, and i RARELY have ever had problems, but i've had numerous opponents who tried to quick-serve me. if the ball went in i'd be like "what the hell, i wasn't even in position... did you even look over here?" and if it goes out, i'll just pretend i was ready, and if it was a second serve that went out, off to the other side i go. if my opponent isn't even looking in my direction to see if i was ready, that's their problem. that's part of tennis. if they're going to throw away serves like that, their deal. i don't smack alls at them when they aren't ready. that's the rude side of the story if you ask me...
If you pretend and do exactly like Sharapova thatīs your problem, but its simply an unsportsmanship like attitude. The universal rule is that once the returner get his hand up, it implies not being ready for play. You canīt blame the server because you canīt really judge if he/she was watching the hand up or not, or if the server had already started the service motion or not, once you take your hand up, the point starts over, especially when you do that in a second serve (99% of the cases) :rolleyes:
This is just the second time i see something like this happening in womens tennis, being Henin the first one to do it, this is not something you see it happenning all the time.
Donīt come here and tell me that you as returner have no options but to do that against a fast pace server, otherwise all women playing Steffi Graf for example could/should have done that as Steffi was a very fast server (between points), and when you are up there (not ready for the serve) all you have to do is to raise your hand and keep it like that, the point is replayed over and over :rolleyes: .
Tennis is supposed to be the game of etiquette and shamely you see profesional players do things like this, totally unaceptable. :fiery:
Anybody out there defending Sharapovaīs action is just deluded and a cheater just like she was yesterday.
Just remmembering having the hand up, seeing the double fault and then quickly going to other side :lol: what a cheater :rolleyes:

Dan23
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:53 AM
:haha:

In all honesty if one of my faves did something like that this is all I'd say about the matter. :lol: I certainly wouldnt try to justify it tho, and it still mystifies me that her fans are. What happened in this situation is quite clear, and any attempts to over-analyze the situation into a non-issue are just too blind, as Maria fans, to accept what really happened.

But it's all good.
Agreed theres not much point defending this...but I will dispute the way the same people use this to berate her unnecessarily!

luckily we get back to tennis matches tonight

bellascarlett
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:06 AM
Agreed theres not much point defending this...but I will dispute the way the same people use this to berate her unnecessarily!

luckily we get back to tennis matches tonight

which takes away from the purity and genuineness of their stated point.

don't worry, it's obvious to most on these boards who those desperate posters are anyway.

Blinky
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:09 AM
OKAY Come one guys, lets break this down....
Yes, Maria is a bitch on court only
Yes, she clicked into Ice Queen mode
Yes, she shouldn't have done and will no doubt regret it
Yes, she is the offspring of Satan
Yes, she will eventually use her evil ways to take over this god for saken world (and she will do a much better job then Bush no doubt)

NOW, lets get on with the tennis! :p

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:11 AM
but I will dispute the way the same people use this to berate her unnecessarily!
I agree with this, because I do believe that Maria is a good girl off the court with a nice personality.

For Justine, I cant say the same thing. Granted I dont know any of these players personally, none of us here do, but she just rubs me the wrong way.

Blinky
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:15 AM
I agree with this, because I do believe that Maria is a good girl off the court with a nice personality.

For Justine, I cant say the same thing. Granted I dont know any of these players personally, none of us here do, but she just rubs me the wrong way.
COuld that be coz Justine didn't return Kim's phone calls when Kim was off with the major wrist injury, nor did she check in on her at all?

markspot
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:15 AM
:haha:

In all honesty if one of my faves did something like that this is all I'd say about the matter. :lol: I certainly wouldnt try to justify it tho, and it still mystifies me that her fans are. What happened in this situation is quite clear, and any attempts to over-analyze the situation into a non-issue are just too blind, as Maria fans, to accept what really happened.

But it's all good.

Quite the opposite, here many people have an agenda and a trying to make an issue from a non-issue.

If my favorite player signalled deliberately that she was not ready and then lied that she was ready she would not be my favorite player anymore, period.

That is exactly what some people here are trying to imply, even though nothing like that happened at all.

Here, Maria made no deliberate signals by hand or otherwise, she was just getting ready to receive, and Peer served too early, probably trying to force Maria into getting ready faster, because she was trying to impose on Maria shorter preparation periods already before.
Maria did not try to signal that she was not ready during serving, though.
Why do that, when Peer obviously should have known that anyway.
She abborted her serve, she was responsible to make sure that Maria was ready again.
The worst was that Peer then attempted to get to repeat the serve.
If you want to ambush the opponent, then at least live with the consequences.

Some people dislike Maria's slow methodical preparations before serving and especially before receiving, because they feel that the serving player should dictate the tempo. Yes, but in reasonable boundaries, without rushing the opponent deliberately all the time.

I just hope that Maria will not take any of this poison to her heart, hopefully will not read any of this stuff that is posted here by Maria haters.

And they obviously are Maria haters, their accusations did not begin today,
if they did, you could give them the benefit of the doubt.
And all their previous accusations are completely baseless and ridiculous, I read posts here as if Mark Twain wrote them, only not funny, too vicious.

I got here accidentally yesterday, and just cannot believe what kind of low lifes are posting here. The best is to ignore all that garbage.
I encourage everybody to do so.

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:20 AM
mark, why not instead of going on some long rant like that, answer the question that I posed to you in my previous post?

And for you to insinuate that Maria didnt lie about not being ready for the serve is sooo freakin bogus its actually not even really worth discussing with you, thinking about it. Who really cares if she didnt "put her racket up" or didnt give an official sign that she wasnt ready, the point is she wasnt, and it doesnt take a genius to see that. :shrug:

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 09:22 AM
Quite the opposite, here many people have an agenda and a trying to make an issue from a non-issue.

If my favorite player signalled deliberately that she was not ready and then lied that she was ready she would not be my favorite player anymore, period.

That is exactly what some people here are trying to imply, even though nothing like that happened at all.

Here, Maria made no deliberate signals by hand or otherwise, she was just getting ready to receive, and Peer served too early, probably trying to force Maria into getting ready faster, because she was trying to impose on Maria shorter preparation periods already before.
Maria did not try to signal that she was not ready during serving, though.
Why do that, when Peer obviously should have known that anyway.
She abborted her serve, she was responsible to make sure that Maria was ready again.
The worst was that Peer then attempted to get to repeat the serve.
If you want to ambush the opponent, then at least live with the consequences.

Some people dislike Maria's slow methodical preparations before serving and especially before receiving, because they feel that the serving player should dictate the tempo. Yes, but in reasonable boundaries, without rushing the opponent deliberately all the time.

I just hope that Maria will not take any of this poison to her heart, hopefully will not read any of this stuff that is posted here by Maria haters.

And they obviously are Maria haters, their accusations did not begin today,
if they did, you could give them the benefit of the doubt.
And all their previous accusations are completely baseless and ridiculous, I read posts here as if Mark Twain wrote them, only not funny, too vicious.

I got here accidentally yesterday, and just cannot believe what kind of low lifes are posting here. The best is to ignore all that garbage.
I encourage everybody to do so.
There is nothing wrong with living on "Negation", thatīs your choice and i applaud you for that Markspot ;) (because it can make your world easier)
Unfortunatelly most people have other perspectives about this issue.

FrenchY52
Oct 20th, 2006, 10:48 AM
Pff :o

mike/topgun
Oct 20th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Originally Posted by franny
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.
that's what I thought

Dementinator
Oct 20th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Quite the opposite, here many people have an agenda and a trying to make an issue from a non-issue.

If my favorite player signalled deliberately that she was not ready and then lied that she was ready she would not be my favorite player anymore, period.

That is exactly what some people here are trying to imply, even though nothing like that happened at all.

Here, Maria made no deliberate signals by hand or otherwise, she was just getting ready to receive, and Peer served too early, probably trying to force Maria into getting ready faster, because she was trying to impose on Maria shorter preparation periods already before.
Maria did not try to signal that she was not ready during serving, though.
Why do that, when Peer obviously should have known that anyway.
She abborted her serve, she was responsible to make sure that Maria was ready again.
The worst was that Peer then attempted to get to repeat the serve.
If you want to ambush the opponent, then at least live with the consequences.

Some people dislike Maria's slow methodical preparations before serving and especially before receiving, because they feel that the serving player should dictate the tempo. Yes, but in reasonable boundaries, without rushing the opponent deliberately all the time.

I just hope that Maria will not take any of this poison to her heart, hopefully will not read any of this stuff that is posted here by Maria haters.

And they obviously are Maria haters, their accusations did not begin today,
if they did, you could give them the benefit of the doubt.
And all their previous accusations are completely baseless and ridiculous, I read posts here as if Mark Twain wrote them, only not funny, too vicious.

I got here accidentally yesterday, and just cannot believe what kind of low lifes are posting here. The best is to ignore all that garbage.
I encourage everybody to do so.

a good post ,lots of constructive points ,well written indeed ,but sadly all total bollocks of course...

Maria lied ,she saw it was a DF and shot over to the other side damn quick ,had the serve gone in she would have complained. shes a liar and a cheat and thank god I am not her fan...

If you wanna bad rep ,be my guest... but the truth hurts I am afraid

~Cherry*Blossom~
Oct 20th, 2006, 11:52 AM
lol that was pretty bad. But was I the only one who thought her outfit was even worse :rolls:

NuHorizons2see
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Ok i've watch the incident a few times now and to be honest the umpire is ultimately at fault because of his line of questioning. Both players are at fault also and here's reasons for my conclusion:
Peer was getting frustrated with Maria's constant delay of slowing down her service speed between points as well darting left to right before the ball is struck is annoying as well as distracting. Peer began serving her second serve while Maria was still up right and who can blame her! However what she should of done instead of trying to rush Sharapova to the 'speed of the server' is to complain to the umpire about it.
Sharapova wasn't ready for that serve because mid way through Peer's serving motion you see Maria uses her left arm to wipe her face, while the right hand raises the raquet. You can clearly see this if you pause the video clip around 2mins, 35 secs.
Maria unsportsmanship-like walks to the other side acting like she's won the point fairly.
The problem lies here.. When Peer complains that Maria wasn't ready, He (the umpire) asked the following to Maria "Where you not ready?" By Saying "yes" or "yep" means in english grammer to come to the understanding of "yes I was not ready for the serve". The umpire came to the wrong conclusion about Maria's answer and awarded the point to her.
Whether Maria should of said something is debatable as she isn't the first player and certainly won't be the last to say nothing when mistakenly given a point by the umpire.

SerenaSlam
Oct 20th, 2006, 12:57 PM
Think about it this way guys. If the serve had gone in, Sharapova would have said she wasn't ready, the umpire would have not seen her, and guess what, Sharapova would have lost the point. Peer served regardless of whether Sharapova was ready or not. If Maria decides while someone in midserve to step out, then its on her to lose the point. There should not be some double standard here, damn. Ya'll are pathetic. You choose someone to hate and then every little thing that she does(btw it doesn't even make a difference, Peer won the game) ya'll jump on her. Whatever.
what i find pathetic is how you can know exactly when Peer saw that Maria was not ready. you do not know if she didn't realize until after she got done serving. so Peer serving while Maria had her hand up has nothing to do with it. Justine did the same exact thing.

If it was me, and let me get personal, had that shit been me and i saw her damn hand up before i served, to test her "trust worthyness" i probably would have still served the ball, and you can best believe that I would have either been forced to quit or lost some points b/c I would have been over there asking Maria questions and not them empire.

I think a lot of these players need to get more confrontational. They act as if the empire is the source to the solution. But Peer should have put her ass on the spot, and she would have cracked.

It was not right from Maria regardless of whether or not Peer saw her hand in time not to serve. You don't lie about that type of shit. And true enough you don't like about "not seeing her hand right away" as in Peer could be lying and saw her hand.

But why would she lie, that is my question. Maria was asked and she lied about the shit. In the end, you never know b/c you are not in Peer's mind. But when it comes down to wrong and right, Maria was so far in the wrong, that I am sorry but had that been me, by the time i got done with her, them shrieks from her mouth would not have been coming from her hitting a tennis ball. :)

1 luv 4 all yall!

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:46 PM
what i find pathetic is how you can know exactly when Peer saw that Maria was not ready. you do not know if she didn't realize until after she got done serving. so Peer serving while Maria had her hand up has nothing to do with it. Justine did the same exact thing.

If it was me, and let me get personal, had that shit been me and i saw her damn hand up before i served, to test her "trust worthyness" i probably would have still served the ball, and you can best believe that I would have either been forced to quit or lost some points b/c I would have been over there asking Maria questions and not them empire.

I think a lot of these players need to get more confrontational. They act as if the empire is the source to the solution. But Peer should have put her ass on the spot, and she would have cracked.

It was not right from Maria regardless of whether or not Peer saw her hand in time not to serve. You don't lie about that type of shit. And true enough you don't like about "not seeing her hand right away" as in Peer could be lying and saw her hand.

But why would she lie, that is my question. Maria was asked and she lied about the shit. In the end, you never know b/c you are not in Peer's mind. But when it comes down to wrong and right, Maria was so far in the wrong, that I am sorry but had that been me, by the time i got done with her, them shrieks from her mouth would not have been coming from her hitting a tennis ball. :)

1 luv 4 all yall!
And especially when on TV you can see Sharapova clearly holding her racket asking for time, and you canīt see/precise if Peer saw it or not before starting her service motion.

the cat
Oct 20th, 2006, 01:50 PM
One question. Did Peer know Masha wasn't ready to return serve yet served anyway and served a double fault at that?

SerenaSlam
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:02 PM
One question. Did Peer know Masha wasn't ready to return serve yet served anyway and served a double fault at that?
that is just it, it is hard to know. but at the same time, maria should have said something. when it comes down to it, had the emp seen Maria they would have replayed the point, dummy walked over so quick in a hurry, a sure seen pep in her step, that you could honestly tell that she knew the emp must not have seen her, and woud have things he way.

to answer your question, we don't know what Peer saw, she could have seen her hand before she served, or she could have noticed out the corner of her eye while finishing her serve.

what we do know, and the fact of the matter is, what her saw from sharapova. like i said, had that been me, the gurl would of had to fess up b/c I would have went as far as the replay. its just like the hewitt racial comments etc, shit they ass is on tape, quit the got dang match and bust they ass out.

that is what i would do. b/c personally everyone needs to learn a lesson, and i would not have any problem ending a match to teach them a hard learned lesson like that.

Martian Willow
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:05 PM
Its easy to say Peer or anyone else should have served anyway, but the reality is she doesn't have time to think halfway through her service motion 'oh look, Maria isn't ready...but wait! what if I give her the respect of not fast serving her, but the umpire doesn't see shes not ready and she lies about it? I'd better make sure it goes in just in case!' That is obviously rather silly.

Paneru
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Well, seeing this here, Maria is in the wrong!
The ump didn't see it but she clearly wasn't
ready and then lied about it!

If I her Shahar I'd be pissed too!

What did Maria really gain by lying?
Besides a point, bad sportsmanship.

excitement1995
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:12 PM
When you are off the position and wiping sweat, that's enough signal of not being ready. Players generally only signal not ready when they are in position and could be considered ready. She give the signal or not didn't make any difference, because she wasn't ready. And thus when she afterward said she was ready, she was lying, and that's all what mattered.

Once again,
it's not about whether Peer saw her or not,
it's not about whether Peer won the game or not,
it's not about whether Peer was affected or not,
it's not about Maria signaled or not,
it's about integrity.


...
If my favorite player signalled deliberately that she was not ready and then lied that she was ready she would not be my favorite player anymore, period.
...

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:14 PM
my question is why did Maria step away from the back line when Peer clearly did not step away from the line and was immediately ready to serve? Why are people trying to fault Shahar for not paying attention to Maria when Maria was clearly not paying attention to Shahar? That is unless you feel she was paying attention and if she was that would mean pure gamesmanship and would make her decision to accept a point that wasn't hers even worse. I thought there were no breaks/stoppage of play between first and second serves? So somebody please explain under what theory is Maria not at fault? You know I can get with Maria fans defending her we all do it because we love our favs but to try make it seem like it's shahar's fault because you don't want to admit a character fault in your fav is bad form. :shrug:

Calvin
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:22 PM
So?
Shahar had no business asking for repeat, obviously
She did not wait for Maria to get ready and served, perhaps mad at Maria that she was not in a hurry to get ready.
But she herself caused the whole problem by aborting the serve, but Maria already made several steps anyway, so Shahar had to be more considerate and wait, to look if Maria is ready again and then serve.
But when she missed, she used it as an excuse to ask for repeat.
That was really cheating. Good thing the umpire did not allow her to repeat.
So Maria's judgement was right to start walking.

Actually, Maria had every right to say: if she cosidered me to be ready when she served, then I was ready. No double jeopardy, pal.

I appreciate your efforts to defend Maria on this one, but you're arguments are irrelevant when considering several points many people have mentioned earlier. Just look at these 8 seconds in the video clip again:

2:30 Peer starts her second serve motion, checks Maria, and SEES THAT MARIA IS READY TO RECEIVE. During her service motion she is distracted by Maria suddenly moving, her service is interrupted, but she immediately resumes her serve motion.

2:33 DURING her resumed serve motion Maria decides she isnt ready and clearly walks away. Somewhere between 2:33 and 2:35 Peer is distracted: while serving you can't check your opponent, thats what she did at 2:30, but you do perceive sudden motions from the corner of your eye. She finishes her serve motion, which is the logical thing to do to prevent injuries.

2:38 The second the ball hits the net, Maria walks to the other side, making it clear to the umpire that she has won the point.

Your arguments are:

- Peer shouldve checked Maria: thats what she did at 2:30, Maria was clearly ready to receive. Maria only walked away DURING Peer's serve.
- Maria misunderstood the question: the question was asked AFTER Maria had already walked away demonstrating unsportmanship.

tennisbear7
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Calvin's evidence is infallible.

M&M
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:28 PM
i really liked maria, but after this... such a bitchy behaviour! :( poor sahar!!!

Or Levy
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:30 PM
The point everyone seem to miss is that if the Ump understood Maria WRONG than she should have and could have corrected him on the spot! "Um, I meant I was not ready, give her the point'.

So simple. The whole double negetive talk is absurd, it was possible both the ump and Maria misunderstood each other, but it was up to Maria to correct him.

Calvin
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:32 PM
A very different story would have been if she explicitly tried to signal Peer to stop in the middle of the serving, and then pretended she was ready.
That would have been inexcusable whatsoever.
But it did not happen. Nothing like that happened.

This is exactly what happened: look at 2:34-2:35. MARIA SUDDENLY PUTS HER RACKET UP (just look to the left of her head). This is the tennis signal for "I'm not ready". At the exact same time Peer's ball is already up in the air. Then she pretends she was ready after all by walking to the other side.

It's as inexcusable as you yourself mentioned...

wimbledon_class
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:33 PM
i was once a maria hater...but after her USO win, i didnt hate her anymore. but after this "HAND" incident i dont think i'll support her again, just like justine. Peer is a nice person...if i was in her place i will beat the crap out of masha pova banana lying bitch!!!

Calvin
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:38 PM
At 2:37 you even see that Shahar is not even playing the point. Not because she is looking at her ball that went into the net, but because she is clearly looking at Maria, who is still wiping her face. She IMMEDIATELY reacts as Maria starts walking over to the other side. From this it is clear to me that somewhere mid-serve Shahar must have seen Maria do something in the corner of her eye.

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 02:39 PM
The point everyone seem to miss is that if the Ump understood Maria WRONG than she should have and could have corrected him on the spot! "Um, I meant I was not ready, give her the point'.

So simple. The whole double negetive talk is absurd, it was possible both the ump and Maria misunderstood each other, but it was up to Maria to correct him.
Donīt be silly just as Mariaīs knew it was a "double fault" and walked away to the other side, had she admited not being ready for the serve, would mean Peer would get the point being replayed, which in fact Peer was asking to because of the hand.
Maria was very quickly to more to the deuce side :lol: and showed no intention to replay the point.. Do you think that is the umpireīs fault too? :lol:

the cat
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:31 PM
Did people forget Peer won the game anyway to go up 4-3 in the first set? :scratch: This so called incident had no bearing on the outcome of the match.

Should Masha have told the chair umpire she wasn't ready to return serve when he asked her? Yes. Would most tennis players say yes in that same instance? No.

Rocketta
Oct 20th, 2006, 04:50 PM
Did people forget Peer won the game anyway to go up 4-3 in the first set? :scratch: This so called incident had no bearing on the outcome of the match.

Should Masha have told the chair umpire she wasn't ready to return serve when he asked her? Yes. Would most tennis players say yes in that same instance? No.

the cat do you really believe that most other players would when directly asked lie to the umpire? :confused:

Natalicious
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:06 PM
she's a bitch :o like henin-hardenne

hingisGOAT
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:24 PM
damn, even maria's controversial moments are SO FUCKING BORING its unreal

she's like a soul-less, lifeless, tennis robot

i almost fell asleep watching this "incident" unfold

Veenut
Oct 20th, 2006, 05:34 PM
,
it's about integrity.

Hey, why do you see the need to interject such and obsolete word. ;)
BTW I'm surprised I've not seen the age defense, she's only ______(insert age here) By some people standards there is so much restriction on things like integrity, honesty, empathy, fair-play, sportsmanship......... :sad:

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:25 PM
Hey, why do you see the need to interject such and obsolete word. ;)
BTW I'm surprised I've not seen the age defense, she's only ______(insert age here) By some people standards there is so much restriction on things like integrity, honesty, empathy, fair-play, sportsmanship......... :sad:

Poor Maria. Acts so innocent. In reality, she's a cheating bitch. :worship:

Melly Flew Us
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:35 PM
i actually didn't think that a defense could be found for maria's actions; but the varied and wildly imaginative theories are quite persuasive!

anyway, shahar shook maria's hand at the end of the match when thousands wouldn't.

Allez-H
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:41 PM
I'm not gonna give Maria or her fans any shit, I just love the fact that Justine is being copied by topplayers :lol: The Hand will need to have its autobiography now :cool:

jacobruiz
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:42 PM
anyway, shahar shook maria's hand at the end of the match when thousands wouldn't.


That's your opinion. Imo they shook hands because there was no reason not too. Shahar knew Maria had not done anything intentionally wrong.

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 07:50 PM
That's your opinion. Imo they shook hands because there was no reason not too. Shahar knew Maria had not done anything intentionally wrong.

Shahar knew she had done something wrong, which is why she complained to the umpire during the match. But unlike Maria, her handshake exemplifies good sportsmanship conduct.

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:03 PM
That's your opinion. Imo they shook hands because there was no reason not too. Shahar knew Maria had not done anything intentionally wrong.

Shame on you. Shahar knew what Maria did was wrong, but acted in a very classy manner. Unlike Maria.

jacobruiz
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:04 PM
Shame on you. Shahar knew what Maria did was wrong, but acted in a very classy manner. Unlike Maria.


Shame on me? If it's shameful to give an opinion here then you should never show your face again.

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Shame on me? If it's shameful to give an opinion here then you should never show your face again.

If you cannot admit what Maria did was wrong, then YOU should never show your face again. It also proves you have issues. Bias. :o :fiery:

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Shame on me? If it's shameful to give an opinion here then you should never show your face again.

Your opinion is just retarded and makes no sense.

jacobruiz
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:10 PM
If you cannot admit what Maria did was wrong, then YOU should never show your face again. It also proves you have issues. Bias. :o :fiery:


You dumbshit!:lol: You follow Maria threads around like a dog insulting and bashing her without let up. You will NEVER find me doing that to ANYONE.

And you say I have issues.:p

bis2806
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:14 PM
You dumbshit!:lol: You follow Maria threads around like a dog insulting and bashing her without let up. You will NEVER find me doing that to ANYONE.

And you say I have issues.:p

I have read posts of you insulting the Williams sisters before. So don't be hypocritical like Maria.

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:31 PM
You dumbshit!:lol: You follow Maria threads around like a dog insulting and bashing her without let up. You will NEVER find me doing that to ANYONE.

And you say I have issues.:p

When you cheat, I'll bash the shit out of you.

I congratulated Maria during her USO run, because she was classy and real.

However, recent events have shown she is not as classy as she "appears".

I've seen you in Williams threads countless times, LOL. So don't give me that bullshit. :drool:

spencercarlos
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:50 PM
That's your opinion. Imo they shook hands because there was no reason not too. Shahar knew Maria had not done anything intentionally wrong.
Sure she did not :rolleyes:
She just held her hand and racket up asking for time before the oponentīs second serve, taking care of the sweat and after the missed serve all of the sudden be READY to jump to the other side of the court :lol: That was classy indeed!
Not to mention when Peer asked the umpire to ask Maria about being ready to receive serve and without blinking she said Yeah (i was ready) and did not even attempt to replay the point, yeah it showed how proud she is of taking a point that way! :yeah:
She is a role model!

RenaSlam.
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Sure she did not :rolleyes:
She just held her hand and racket up asking for time before the oponentīs second serve, taking care of the sweat and after the missed serve all of the sudden be READY to jump to the other side of the court :lol: That was classy indeed!
Not to mention when Peer asked the umpire to ask Maria about being ready to receive serve and without blinking she said Yeah (i was ready) and did not even attempt to replay the point, yeah it showed how proud she is of taking a point that way! :yeah:
She is a role model!

:worship: Perfect response.

Don't bother with jacobruiz, he is under the "Maria spell" which prevents him from believing that Maria can be convicted of any wrongdoing. LOL. :help: :rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 20th, 2006, 08:54 PM
When you cheat, I'll bash the shit out of you.

I congratulated Maria during her USO run, because she was classy and real.

However, recent events have shown she is not as classy as she "appears".

I've seen you in Williams threads countless times, LOL. So don't give me that bullshit. :drool:

IW, bitch. IW.

jacobruiz
Oct 20th, 2006, 10:23 PM
I have read posts of you insulting the Williams sisters before. So don't be hypocritical like Maria.


I was done responding to your moronic posts until I read this.

You are a liar, biz. It's not really surprising. I have NEVER insulted the Williams sisters before and you will never find a post where I do.

Now I'm done.:rolleyes:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 20th, 2006, 11:20 PM
I was done responding to your moronic posts until I read this.

You are a lier, biz. It's not really surprising. I have NEVER insulted the Williams sisters before and you will never find a post where I do.

Now I'm done.:rolleyes:

Jaco.

Its a case of the vitriols attempting to rationalize their own behaviors by projecting it onto you.

RenaSlam.
Oct 21st, 2006, 12:59 AM
Jaco.

Its a case of the vitriols attempting to rationalize their own behaviors by projecting it onto you.

Julia1968? Is that you?!?

bis2806
Oct 21st, 2006, 01:26 AM
I was done responding to your moronic posts until I read this.

You are a lier, biz. It's not really surprising. I have NEVER insulted the Williams sisters before and you will never find a post where I do.

Now I'm done.:rolleyes:

Wow, look who the liar is here? You said something negative about the sisters, which is very characteristic of you!

I don't think I would be able to find a post that dated back to May. What a shame. Maybe you can recall what you said?

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 03:23 AM
Can you all leave Maria alone already?
Why don't you attack Peer instead?

Maria did NOT SIGNAL to stop serving, that's it.

It is her business in what pose she receives Peer's second serve, even if her straight-standing pose could be a bit insulting and condescending to the opponent.
She did not even move during the toss and the serve, she wiped her face with one arm, let her serve standing still, saw the ball going into the net, and then wiped her face with the other arm.
And yet, she is allowed to move, or jump or run or spin the racquet or whatever during serving, everybody mostly does.
So now Peer wants a repeat because Maria was NOT moving?
That is Maria's damn business how she recieves serves!
Even if it was disrespectful to Peer, perhaps - I mean, to think so little about her second serve.

But what Peer did was very wrong. She attempted to cheat.
Probably twice. To catch Maria unprepared, and then, for sure,
attempted to get her doublefault reversed.

So it is especially outrageous that Maria haters here turn everything upside down and accuse Maria, as always.

FedererFan84
Oct 21st, 2006, 03:33 AM
Wow, that was pretty pathetic on Maria's part. She should be fined by the WTA. That's my opinion!

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 03:35 AM
Wow, that was pretty pathetic on Maria's part. She should be fined by the WTA. That's my opinion!

On Peer's part, you mean?

Maria did nothing wrong whatsoever,
Peer attempted to cheat twice.

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 03:37 AM
Maria had every right to be mad at Peer, yet she shaked Peer's hand at the end.
I hope she washed it afterwards.

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 21st, 2006, 04:13 AM
Wow, look who the liar is here? You said something negative about the sisters, which is very characteristic of you!

I don't think I would be able to find a post that dated back to May. What a shame. Maybe you can recall what you said?

http://www.interule.com/retarded.jpg

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 21st, 2006, 04:14 AM
Julia1968? Is that you?!?

http://www.1ofakindstuff.com/products/retarded.jpg

BTW, you really need to change your signature. 2006 is almost over and your premonition went horribly awry. ;)

Cat's Pajamas
Oct 21st, 2006, 04:25 AM
The fact of the matter is, is that Maria said "Yes!"

Plain and simple. She was obviously not ready and she lied about it. Granted we're not positive Peer knew what she was doing (but it looks evident :tape: )

Sharapova should've admitted she was in no way ready to hit the ball. That's all there is to say :shrug: there is no way to defend that kind of behavior.

Now I'm not saying she's a horrible person like some idiots here but she lied.

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:12 AM
The fact of the matter is, is that Maria said "Yes!"

Plain and simple. She was obviously not ready and she lied about it. Granted we're not positive Peer knew what she was doing (but it looks evident :tape: )

Sharapova should've admitted she was in no way ready to hit the ball. That's all there is to say :shrug: there is no way to defend that kind of behavior.

Now I'm not saying she's a horrible person like some idiots here but she lied.

Oh no, she was ready.
If she was not ready, then Peer had no business trying to sneak one on her.
But she decided, I'm not gonna cry I'm not ready. Let her try, I can take her serve anyway.

The serve has to be repeated only if the receiving player asks to stop.
Maria made no attempt to signal she asks to wait.

So she had every right to say she was ready.
By the way, her "yes" was to the question " were you NOT READY"
So who knows what she meant, but she had every right to say I was ready.
Because she did not attempt to stop Peer from serving.

But Peer really dissapointed me, first she tried to sneak one on Maria,
then she tried to claim Maria was not ready.
You cannot have it both ways, either - either
Peer is a dishonest person.

perseus2006
Oct 21st, 2006, 05:45 AM
From a post I made on the ESPN Board:

The only important elements of the situation:
Peer was on second serve.

Pova did not give the "not ready" signal to Peer (by raising the hand).

Peer served into the net, double faulting.

Peer complained that Pova was not ready and wanted to call it a "let" and redo.

The chair asked Pova if she was "not ready".

Pova hadn't given the "not ready" signal to Peer despite being out of position, so technically she was ready and the serve was fair and valid, regardless of Pova's physical activities and disposition at the time. So Pova says "yep" in response to the chair, which was the correct "tennis" answer.

What do we learn from this situation?

1. If you are going to push a second serve to take advantage of your opponent's position on the court, make absolutely certain that it goes in!

2. If you are receiving and not physically prepared to receive, put your hand up!

3. If you want to believe thus and so, then no evidence to the contrary will impact that conviction.

4. Belief is a different thing entirely from the actual facts about a situation.

5. Be very careful in phrasing a question so that you are able to unequivocally understand the answer. In this case the correct question was: "Did you raise your hand indicating you were not ready to receive?".

bellascarlett
Oct 21st, 2006, 06:05 AM
From a post I made on the ESPN Board:

The only important elements of the situation:
Peer was on second serve.

Pova did not give the "not ready" signal to Peer (by raising the hand).

Peer served into the net, double faulting.

Peer complained that Pova was not ready and wanted to call it a "let" and redo.

The chair asked Pova if she was "not ready".

Pova hadn't given the "not ready" signal to Peer despite being out of position, so technically she was ready and the serve was fair and valid, regardless of Pova's physical activities and disposition at the time. So Pova says "yep" in response to the chair, which was the correct "tennis" answer.

What do we learn from this situation?

1. If you are going to push a second serve to take advantage of your opponent's position on the court, make absolutely certain that it goes in!

2. If you are receiving and not physically prepared to receive, put your hand up!

3. If you want to believe thus and so, then no evidence to the contrary will impact that conviction.

4. Belief is a different thing entirely from the actual facts about a situation.

5. Be very careful in phrasing a question so that you are able to unequivocally understand the answer. In this case the correct question was: "Did you raise your hand indicating you were not ready to receive?".

Interesting.

True, Maria did not signal to Shahar that she wasn't ready. No holding of the hand up.

ceiling_fan
Oct 21st, 2006, 06:11 AM
Shahar: Ask her!
Umpire: Were you ready?
Maria: Yes


lol. this is quite funny...

WhatTheDeuce
Oct 21st, 2006, 07:07 AM
Some people :haha: Boggles my mind, I swear.

jacobruiz
Oct 21st, 2006, 08:37 AM
Wow, look who the liar is here? You said something negative about the sisters, which is very characteristic of you!

I don't think I would be able to find a post that dated back to May. What a shame. Maybe you can recall what you said?




Bis, you know full well you are totally lying about me saying anything negative about the sisters, and of course you have no proof that I did.

But when has truth ever had anything to do with your posts?

drake3781
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:11 AM
Ok so Sharapova decides to pull a little Seles/Pierce routine ritual where they move around just before they slap a return, the noise puts Peer off balance so she regroups and reserves immediately. During that split second Sharapova decides she has to walk back, wipe her face and force Shahar to wait to re-serve, meanwhile she was already serving :retard:. Good god that was so fucked up on so many different levels.




That's my take on it too, and I saw Maria do the jiggle a point or two later too, so she is not sorry.

I think she is truly fucked up from a young age and due to her looks and early success doesn't see herself as having to follow rules that other humans do.

As a side note, I was fairly impressed with Shahar's power and placement that game. :cool:

Mother_Marjorie
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:13 AM
Bis, you know full well you are totally lying about me saying anything negative about the sisters, and of course you have no proof that I did.

But when has truth ever had anything to do with your posts?

Of course there is not an ounce of proof from Bis. He's not really a Lindsay fan either.

meyerpl
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:24 AM
WOW!!! Maria is lying bitch!!

I have no problem wishing her to be injured!!!
There you go! It's the right, honorable thing. I don't see how you couldn't feel great about yourself feeling that way.

Oermi
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:32 AM
wow, that is really bad by Maria! :o

lilimi
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:35 AM
some sharapova fanatics are really blind.she didn't do a sign with her hand but she was OBVIOUSLY not ready, even without the slow motion you can see that...

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:36 AM
Shahar: Ask her!
Umpire: Were you ready?
Maria: Yes


lol. this is quite funny...

You are distorting the conversation.

Shahar: Ask her!
Umpire: Were you NOT ready?
Maria: Yes

So understand as you want, but the question was OPPOSITE to the one you presented here.

BTW, even if she was not ready, she took the risk of not stopping Shahar from serving. Therefore, she was ready.

She could have answered:

a)

I was ready, I was standing on the base line and I was facing her, and I was NOT signalling her to stop the serve, in fact my both arms were down the whole time period she was tossing the ball up and serving. And I was not screaming, "hey, don't you see I'm not ready!" I took the risk, so I was ready"

or b)

"I was not ready, but she served anyway, she tried to sneak one on me,
but I did not attempt to stop her, so why she wants to get another try?
She already cheated by serving when I was not ready, and now she is trying to cheat again"

Both such answers would have been just fine with me.

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:44 AM
some sharapova fanatics are really blind.she didn't do a sign with her hand but she was OBVIOUSLY not ready, even without the slow motion you can see that...

Yes, she was OBVIOUSLY not ready, also that had to be obvious to Peer, unless she was blind.
But she served anyway, trying to take advantage, and Maria did not try to stop her,
Maria took the risk.
She did not cause Shahir to serve into the net.
She was standing exactly in the same pose the whole time period when Shahir was serving, she did not even move her either arm. She moved her arms before and after, but not during the serving, including the toss of the ball.
So she did not affect the serve at all. If she did some unexpected move in the middel of motion, that would have been perhaps a different story,
although receiving players always move, so it is perhaps ok too.

Shahir behaved badly in the whole situation - twice,
by trying to sneak one on Maria, and by demanding a repeat.

markspot
Oct 21st, 2006, 09:46 AM
wow, that is really bad by Maria! :o

By Maria?

By Shahir, not by Maria.

What is going on here, why are you people so blind with hate.