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Sam L
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:44 PM
I'll begin by saying that 1999 was one of the most enjoyable and fun tennis seasons ever for me. I'm only talking about the women here. The tennis was good but the controversies and "catty remarks" between the players really made the matches more interesting.

Let's go back to some incidences here.

AO: Hingis/Davenport comments towards Mauresmo
FO: Hingis boilover/the finals controversy
Wimbledon: Stevenson controversy with her mom and dad etc... Graf/Davenport final was very cold.
US Open: Verbal fights thrown between Hingis and Serena and them eventually meeting in a memorable final.
Chase: Lindsay snubbing tribute to Steffi

Those were just some there were heaps and heaps more and I loved every moment of it.

But now,

- Martina Hingis is just too nice or she just doesn't speak up anymore (Aside from the fact she's injured)
- Venus and Serena are just happy winning matches and been diplomatic
- Lindsay is always injured. She was always nice but she can be catty sometimes, which she's not anymore.
- The Belgians are too nice to ever create controversy like this. They are kinda boring.
- Monica! I wish the teenage Monica was back.

So we're left with Jen and her comments. This is not interesting at all. For one, the only person who responded back to her in any way whatsoever is Richard Williams. Are the controversial days on the WTA over for good? Or will we yet see some "real" action in the future? :)

With that I would just like to add that a couple of years ago the WTA took real pride in their "personalities" on tour. I wonder if some of these are fading already.

servenrichie
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:56 PM
They all grew up, you should take the cue too.
I wonder why men think women are interesting only when they are being catty. They are here to play. They should concentrate on honning their skills, instead of pouring sour milk somewhere else.
By the way, what was so funny in those scandals? I personally thought it was thier lack of education and being loaded with such doughs at such a young age. Not anything, i 'd like my child to learn, tactlessness, intolerance, insolence, and the lists go on and on....

Debbie Foy
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:14 PM
yes--myself i miss smart mouth of martina-lady...miss jibes from serena to martina also....funny for me--perssonal preference--not always funny but funny many times...little off courts enteraintaments never hurt nobody for me....even richard and jen caps 'fued" not really fun this times around....yes...ladys grown up some....not to worryts--got crops of new smart alecks up and comings...must wait...transtitions period for us....maybe dokcis....dockic a few times make 'good" comments for foots in mouth....must waits....

Beige
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:16 PM
Well, Sam, at least your honest. :) Human nature beng what it is normal that people are drawn to varying degrees of melodrama. However, it gets old after awhile and it is sexist (as serven suggested) for men to revel in women bickering amongst themselves. What we do need more of is personality. I still can't for the life of me understand why some tennis fans want the players to behave like Mother Teresa. :confused: The way some fans on this board preach good sportmanship you'd think they want players to clap every time their opponents hit a winner. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Sam L
- Monica! I wish the teenage Monica was back.


Seles fans, don't get mad (please) but people forget that pre-stabbing, Monica was no Mary Sunshine. I never pegged her as a bitch but she definitely had an attitude, could be elusive like Graf, enjoyed the gossip about herself being pregnant and made some social blunders like thanking Donald Trump in her US Open acceptance speech.

Mateo Mathieu
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:28 PM
1999 was wild year ever! :bounce: And also, I becoming into Tennis in the same year! :)

~ The Leopard ~
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:31 PM
Please don't bring back Martina circa. 1999. What a horrible brat!

I much prefer the current version, who has become one of the players I support.... albeit not one of my absolute faves. Marti may be having some problems with her game, but she's a much nicer person.

Let them be, by all means, colourful, flamboyant, and aggressive.... there are better ways to be all that than slagging opponents, acting rude and generally behaving like spoiled kids.

I would have thought that there was plenty of personality on display. Just look at the prominent players. My non-favourites - Venus, Serena, JenCap - are bursting with personality. So are my favourites - Amelie, Daniela, Anna K. So are lots of the other players. What more do you want?

Well, more depth in the tour and unpredictability in tournament results would be good...

RAA
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:53 PM
I don't miss those days at all. It overshadowed the game. sometimes, the WTA-drama still does threaten to overshadow the game. we want people to enjoy TENNIS and want to watch women's tennis, so that when this current crop of players retire there will be a base of fans that like the sport, not the cheap shots.

Monica_Rules
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:00 PM
It was quite fun having all the contraversy!

selesrules
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:06 PM
Chase: Lindsay snubbing tribute to Steffi

Could someone please tell me more about that? I don't remember, was Lindsay playing in the Chase and purposely not go? maybe she doesn't like Steffi too much? Who showed up in the tribute, was Monica, Hingis, Venus, etc. there?

Beige
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:17 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
Chase: Lindsay snubbing tribute to Steffi

Could someone please tell me more about that? I don't remember, was Lindsay playing in the Chase and purposely not go? maybe she doesn't like Steffi too much? Who showed up in the tribute, was Monica, Hingis, Venus, etc. there?

I don't know if Lindsay deliberately didn't attend but she was not present although she played a match after the tribute. The rest of the players were.

Rollo
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:47 PM
I'm with you Sam-Give me cattiness back:) It's fun IMO, it's always there below the surface, and personality is what drives the sport. I'd rather see bitchiness on tour, where the women actually have something at stake over the petty garbage in here on the board.


I understand what you're saying servenrichie, but sexism cuts both ways. One reason Capriati comes in for harsh criticism is she swears on court like a man. Racquet throwing, cussing up a storm, and acting out bring a lot fans to the men's game too-and not for the tennis.

Call me an old fashioned sexist, but I enjoy the show. This lot is tame compared to times past. Too bad they didn't have the internet then!

barmaid
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:04 PM
Well, in Martina's case the Hingis boil/over was the only truly regrettable match she has admitted she ever played..when asked recently about it she remarked, "When I saw the video, I thought "What a baby"!! It was a lesson in humility, it was attributed to immaturity on Marti's part, she has learned from it...she has grown to appreciate her peers more because of it and ultimately become a nicer person for having experienced it. But "Yes" 1999 was a "fiesty" year...and every other year pales in comparison to it. The WTA players of today and indeed are more diplomatic in their comments and approach to the game....I for one think its O.K. (I was never a fan of Johnny McEnroe's outbursts..flamboyant as they were:rolleyes: ) But it does take on the atmosphere of some dull tennis. at times...only Jenn is holding the flame of controversy these days...so I guess I do miss the old characters of the game...it just livens the game up more!!


barmaid:wavey:

Oizo
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:07 PM
I never understood why Lindsay didn´t go to the tribute ceremony for Steffi in the Madison Square Garden 1999 but she must have had her reasons.
I miss the controversy too, but it looks like fun-tennis is over, since the Williams dominate the circut with their power-tennis. There is not much left to laugh about...LOL!
But hopefully Martina and Lindsay will come back with a vengeance and CRASH!BOOM!BANG! the next controversy is on the way! :cool: :wavey:

irma
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:11 PM
no martina was not there, monica neither(but then she didn't play the tournament either) and venus send richard;)
btw was Steffi at Nav's ceremony in 94? just wondering, I know she was at sabatini's in 96!

servenrichie
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:12 PM
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originally posted by Rollo:

'One reason Capriati comes in for harsh criticism is she swears on court like a man. Racquet throwing, cussing up a storm, and acting out bring a lot fans to the men's game too-and not for the tennis.'
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I am not too sure about that. If Hewitt were playing against a woman and swears like that, believe me he will come under heavier criticism. What i think ´though is, women are rather the 'sanfte' creatures, how do i explain that - soft, calm, peaceful, smooth, delicate, so that if Capriati plays against a man and swears like that, she probably would'nt come under the criticism being dished out to her. Doing what she does against a fellow woman, well, that is a bit like hitting below the belt i would say.

I for one do not see anything funny, when Hingis says Amelie is half a man, when Davenport says another player is lying, when Shnyder says Majoli cannot win Charleston even if her life depends on it, when Capriati accuses the Williamses of cheating and manipulating, when Dementieva threw out the accusation that V & S matches are being predetermined by Richard Williams (which in part started the whole circus about match-fixing b/w the sisters), the list is endless.
It is mean, baseless and it only cheapens the fact that women are working extremely hard these days in their profession.

cynicole
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:49 PM
Nah, I don't miss the controversy.

I do think that the overly "niceness" of the players could be really annoying and even frustrating sometimes. Sometimes I want to slap Hingis for being so complimentary. I remember Henin's attitude being so "awful" (dammit, you're the Wimby finalist, act like you should be winning!) around Indian Wells and Miami that I was happy that she was getting beaten. I want them to be pissed when they lose, not all nicey-nicey.

I thank the tennis gods there's that wacky Serena with her confidence/arrogance, colorful fashion sense (or lack of), and non-"f*cking referee" oncourt fiery expression.

cynicole
Jun 11th, 2002, 03:53 PM
Originally posted by Sam L
So we're left with Jen and her comments. This is not interesting at all. For one, the only person who responded back to her in any way whatsoever is Richard Williams. Are the controversial days on the WTA over for good? Or will we yet see some "real" action in the future? :)

With that I would just like to add that a couple of years ago the WTA took real pride in their "personalities" on tour. I wonder if some of these are fading already.

I hate the "comments" between Jenny and Richard. And reading a thread on here about it, it made my stomach turn reading posters get "personal"/overly defensive on eachother about it, calling eachother names.

I, for one, can't understand why anyone even takes seriously anything Jenny says. When she talks, you almost need a translator to put it in proper English. And Richard should just get himself away from the microphones and let his girls' success do all the talking.

Interesting about the whole pride of "personalities." But the thing they should be promoting foremost is the tennis. But, at least in my eyes, and speaking as someone who would be "undersized" on the WTA Tour if I had any talent, the players with the attractive games are down the wazoo. If it weren't for the Coetzers and Changs of tennis, I probably would've stopped following a long time ago.

Ryan
Jun 11th, 2002, 04:38 PM
I like the controversy back then. I wasn't an aivd tennis watcher, but whenever I did watch it there was always something exciting and controversial going on.

Aloysius
Jun 11th, 2002, 04:41 PM
No. I didn't like the controversies. It brought out the evilness in their fans.

Zamboni
Jun 11th, 2002, 05:47 PM
I miss the controversions, cos at least there was something going on ;) In fact the controversies were the reasons that I liked the WTA better than the ATP, but Aloysius has a point too.

treufreund
Jun 11th, 2002, 06:27 PM
Lindsay and Venus were criticized by Bud Collins for not bothering to show up for Steffi's tribute. Guess they did not want to have to bow to the ETERNAL QUEEN. Martina and Sandrine did not come either as they were warming up for their match that was scheduled to start right after Steffi's tribute. I doubt that Steffi would miss Martina, Lindsay or Venus.

Williams Rulez
Jun 12th, 2002, 03:07 AM
I miss it... but just a little... ;)

Sam L
Jun 12th, 2002, 04:13 AM
Beige, you bring up a lot of good points and that's exactly why I also miss the controversy. Yes these women are not Mother Theresa's, we should stop expecting to them to act so NICE!

Also to some people who say tennis comes first! I agree. Of course I like to WATCH womens' tennis and I appreciate the quality of womens' tennis, but all I'm saying is that players talking honestly about their feelings towards other players only make the sport MORE interesting. I never said the "controversies" were the reason why I LIKE womens' tennis. But it's the reason why I prefer it to mens' tennis. The lack of personalities on the mens' tour has to do with them haivng nothing to say towards each other. Although they do have some of their own. Yevgeny's quite good at that! LOL :p

Rollo, "I'd rather see bitchiness on tour, where the women actually have something at stake over the petty garbage in here on the board." Me too! I also agree about the players of the times of the past. I remember reading in the Ladies of the court thread about players from the late 70's and early 80's and they were riotous times! :D

servenrichie, I'm not sexist. I didn't set these women up against each other they were just expressing what they feel about each other and some of them do hate each other and it's not a surprise. It also has nothing to do with education or growing up. Some of the oldest women I've met still bitch about others and some of the most educated women at my university still bitch about others. It's human nature. Oh and yes of course it's just NOT women that does it. Men do it too but in a different way.

cynicole, you have also hit the nail with the "overly niceness" of the players. I hate that, cause you just have this feeling they're been fake! I mean Venus and Serena showing love for each other I don't doubt that. But when all these other players (no matter how good friends) are overly nice. I'm not too sure. Maybe they're been media savvy.

Aloysius, the evilness in any of the players' fans has NOTHING to do with the players or their personalities or their cattiness. It's the fans' own fault and their inherent evilness. Ahem, take the stabbing as an example.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jun 12th, 2002, 06:54 AM
I think the controversy isnt necessary anymore. It might have been back in '98 or '99 when womens tennis wasn't getting the attention it deserved. When people read articles about the "cattiness" of the tour, they eventually tuned in to the matches and became fans. Now that the tour has more loyal fans that it has it quite some time, if ever, it doesn't need the constant bickering and outrageous scandals. Things like this are good once in a while, but womens tennis has now finally gotten the respect it deserves due to the high quality of tennis and the unique individuals that play the game

Tatiana Panova
Jun 12th, 2002, 10:56 PM
I agree that we are going through a cool patch on the WTA at the moment. It really needs Martina and Lindsay. It is good to see Mary back though on the plus side.

I really do think it will hotten up again though:

- when Hingis returns
- the challenge of Daniela Hantuchova
- when Anna gets better
- Mary, Monica, Lindsay - how will they fare
- Jelena, Alexandra, Jen

I have to say that the two Belgian do not appeal in terms of their personality - it is always "kim - LH girlfriend" (OK - I've only heard that three thousand times), and Justine just says "for sure". It really is not that I dislike them and they are fabulous tennis players, but I don't feel like they are as commercially marketable as say a Hingis. So there is a void in a way in the top ten at the moment. But I think it will get better and probably when you least expect it too.:cool: