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msharafan
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:38 PM
well it seems like ages since masha won the us open but really its only a month! :) anyway seen as though the us open thread was started by me i thought my luck might continue by starting the moscow thread for this year. last year maria scraped through to the 1/4s were she lost to safina. lets hope this year masha will do better and maybe even win! :) good luck masha you have a great chance to win this tournie! :bounce: :worship: :wavey: :worship:

johnoo
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:56 PM
seen as though the us open thread was started by me i thought my luck might continue by starting the moscow thread for this year.
I dunno people do weird things to bring masha luck :D well I ain't waiting till moscow is over to upload videos if I get any luck or no luck :D

bellascarlett
Oct 3rd, 2006, 07:09 PM
:wavey: johnoo! just wanted to say hi...

anyway, good luck to maria for kremlin cup...there's really no excuse should she lose early again. she should win this! :bounce: she's going to be the freshest and most confident...

morningglory
Oct 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM
DAVAI! :rocker2:

johnoo
Oct 3rd, 2006, 08:55 PM
:wavey: johnoo! just wanted to say hi...

anyway, good luck to maria for kremlin cup...there's really no excuse should she lose early again. she should win this! :bounce: she's going to be the freshest and most confident...
hi bellascarlett :wavey:

myxomatosis
Oct 3rd, 2006, 10:23 PM
Beat down your fellow Russians Maria! :rocker2:

msharafan
Oct 4th, 2006, 06:36 AM
anyone know whether the surface this year will be as slow as last year or what?

Sharapovafan4eva
Oct 4th, 2006, 06:54 AM
I hope Maria goes well!

Maria Croft
Oct 4th, 2006, 07:25 AM
I really want her to do well in Moscow, and if possible win the whole thing ;)

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 4th, 2006, 09:02 AM
anyone know whether the surface this year will be as slow as last year or what?
It will be new... but faster or not, they haven't said anything about it yet. I think it will be faster.

pimpie
Oct 4th, 2006, 09:38 AM
it's next week right? Cmon Maria :yippee:

Shoulderpova
Oct 4th, 2006, 09:40 AM
Please win Moscow this time :mad:

Teemu
Oct 4th, 2006, 09:50 AM
Best of Luck Maria!

Dan23
Oct 4th, 2006, 01:36 PM
davai Masha :clap2:

Il Primo!
Oct 4th, 2006, 05:49 PM
She has to win Moscow. She has to finish number as well. Go Maria

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 5th, 2006, 09:09 AM
The new surface is called RuKortPro. Does anybody knows anything about it?

Andy.
Oct 5th, 2006, 10:23 AM
I cant wait to see her in action again and to see her in general for that matter, its been to long. Good luck Masha

Ksenia.
Oct 5th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Best luck Masha! :)

msharafan
Oct 5th, 2006, 12:18 PM
some good news is that mauresmo has pulled out of stuttgart so it will be less points for maria to catch up on if she is to get to be world number 1 at the end of the year. sorry i know nothing about the surface thats why i asked first last year the surface was said to be as slow as clay and quite dangerous and slippy ie would expain groenofolds fall on the surface!

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 5th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Maria came to Moscow :bounce: . You can see here - http://www.vesti.ru/news.html?id=100722 - a small video about her arrival, it's in Russian from one of our TV channels, but at least you can see a bit of Masha :hearts: . To see the video click on the word "Видео" above the picture with Masha.

Dan23
Oct 5th, 2006, 12:37 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6276/b140121mz7.jpg

:clap2:

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 5th, 2006, 01:23 PM
Beat down your fellow Russians Maria! :rocker2:
...Coz that will make them like you! :lol:

I just hope the pressure isn't too much for her like it was after winning Wimby and she doesn't crack early... Great chance for her to gain a bunch of points though so BRING IT! :crazy:

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 5th, 2006, 01:25 PM
Maria came to Moscow :bounce: . You can see here - http://www.vesti.ru/news.html?id=100722 - a small video about her arrival, it's in Russian from one of our TV channels, but at least you can see a bit of Masha :hearts: . To see the video click on the word "Видео" above the picture with Masha.
:awww: Awww Maria must be feeling so warm inside right now!

Maria Croft
Oct 5th, 2006, 02:23 PM
Maria :hearts:

gary
Oct 5th, 2006, 03:20 PM
can't wait to see her play again :D :hearts:
go Masha :kiss:

up!
Oct 5th, 2006, 07:34 PM
Maria has to win to show she's the best RUSSIAN!

RussiaTennis
Oct 5th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Maria has to win to show she's the best RUSSIAN!

She is already by far and away the best Russian tennis player of all time.

Anyway, winning this title in Moscow will show the people in Moscow who can see her live how good she really is.

jacobruiz
Oct 5th, 2006, 09:11 PM
I'm glad that Maria is there a little early to become acclimated; it looks cold and rainy in Moscow.

If she can continue the way she was playing in her last two matches she will win this tournament. Now that Maria has beaten the last of her unbeaten rivals I am really hoping Serena or Venus will be there for an interesting match-up with her.

markspot
Oct 6th, 2006, 01:51 PM
Maria came to Moscow :bounce: . You can see here - http://www.vesti.ru/news.html?id=100722 - a small video about her arrival, it's in Russian from one of our TV channels, but at least you can see a bit of Masha :hearts: . To see the video click on the word "Видео" above the picture with Masha.

And if you want to save it to a file,
you can do it, for example with FlashGet, it is able to cope with mms protocol:

mms://video.rfn.ru/rtr-vesti/57762.asf


наотрез отказалась? he he
Clearly, they are not happy about that

bellascarlett
Oct 6th, 2006, 06:53 PM
http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6276/b140121mz7.jpg

:clap2:

:eek: Maria's already in Moscow?!?!!! :bounce: :woohoo:

good thing I came here...I was just about to ask you guys when she was scheduled to arrive in Moscow...so when did she get there?

Dan23
Oct 7th, 2006, 03:11 AM
:eek: Maria's already in Moscow?!?!!! :bounce: :woohoo:

good thing I came here...I was just about to ask you guys when she was scheduled to arrive in Moscow...so when did she get there?
Maria got there on Thursday :cool:

bellascarlett
Oct 7th, 2006, 03:40 AM
Maria got there on Thursday :cool:

ok thanks...:)

i wonder why maria doesn't do tv interviews on russian (talk) shows or something. or has she in the past?...i doubt it though...but she should be an interesting interviewee for them...her life story etc...

maybe one of the russians here can answer...talia?

msharafan
Oct 7th, 2006, 09:20 AM
anyone know what time today the draw will be released and any news on the surface speed either? thanks.

TeaMMashA
Oct 7th, 2006, 10:35 AM
http://www.kremlincup.ru/on-court/draws/te-f-w-singles-z-maindraw-z-z-z-z-draw-lat.shtml

Could be meeting her good friend very early

Come On Maria! Could turn out to be a very tough draw

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 7th, 2006, 10:40 AM
We all know that Maria is the only one who can actually win the title here, she has no rivals in this tournament :D
EDIT: I forgot about Sveta :eek: Probably the'll play in the final, I'm hoping on a good match with Maria winning it all :yeah:

Dan23
Oct 7th, 2006, 10:59 AM
So Maria's half is:

[6]Schnyder (SUI) vs Rubin (USA)
Santangleo (ITA) vs Qualifier
Peer (ISR) vs Bovina (RUS)
[4]Dementieva (RUS) - Bye

Chakvetadze (RUS) vs [7]Safina (RUS)
Kirilenko (RUS) vs Schiavone (ITA)
Qualifier vs Qualifier
[2]Sharapova (RUS) - Bye


not too bad considering its a good field
Go Maria :yeah: :rocker:

Lillibet
Oct 7th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Dementieva's injured.. will that make a difference?
Is this next week's tourney?

Dan23
Oct 7th, 2006, 11:07 AM
im not sure if Lena is pulling out but if she did they'd either shuffle the seeds or an LL will get a Bye in Maria's half.

Lillibet
Oct 7th, 2006, 11:10 AM
im not sure if Lena is pulling out but if she did they'd either shuffle the seeds or an LL will get a Bye in Maria's half.

Thanks Dan! Would be better for Maria maybe if she did!

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 7th, 2006, 11:23 AM
So Maria's half is:

[6]Schnyder (SUI) vs Rubin (USA)
Santangleo (ITA) vs Qualifier
Peer (ISR) vs Bovina (RUS)
[4]Dementieva (RUS) - Bye

Chakvetadze (RUS) vs [7]Safina (RUS)
Kirilenko (RUS) vs Schiavone (ITA)
Qualifier vs Qualifier
[2]Sharapova (RUS) - Bye


not too bad considering its a good field
Go Maria :yeah: :rocker:
AAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Russians everywhere! :p

I think Chaky may be the only tricky one there if Elena withdraws coz Patty is dodgy and Safina is in bad form... Franny retired from a match last week I think and Kiri, well she will kick all their arses! ;)

Dan23
Oct 7th, 2006, 11:30 AM
theres at least 7 more Russians in the other half as well :lol:

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:00 PM
I know, but I think its great, especially seeing a have a soft spot for all the Russians! :awww:

TeaMMashA
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:19 PM
Great For Russian Tennis this tournament! Really Cant Wait!

markspot
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:21 PM
ok thanks...:)

i wonder why maria doesn't do tv interviews on russian (talk) shows or something. or has she in the past?...i doubt it though...but she should be an interesting interviewee for them...her life story etc...

maybe one of the russians here can answer...talia?

Talia gave us a link to a Viesti video about Masha's arrival in Moscow.
They are not diplomatic at all in their choice of words about Masha's categorical refusal to talk to the russian press, especially that she promised but changed her mind, or so they say.
"наотрез отказалась" is what they say, which is a rather colourful way to put it.

However, Masha gave long interviews in russian to russian press during US Open (some where streamed by Eurosport)

Andy.
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:38 PM
Masha has a great draw and being well rested she should feel really confident of at least making the final here, she shouls be confident against any of her opponenet sin her half. Svets is the only one im really worried about.

meggz_star
Oct 7th, 2006, 12:55 PM
Looks like a great field and Maria has a great chance to win there. Sveta is the only player I could see Maria encountering some problems with.

RussiaTennis
Oct 7th, 2006, 01:55 PM
Thats an easy draw for Maria.

Kuznetsova in the opposite half is very good

Eugenia
Oct 7th, 2006, 02:41 PM
Go Masha! :bounce: Best of luck in Moscow! :yeah:

morningglory
Oct 7th, 2006, 03:33 PM
well, she got the easy half... a good draw... the only problems might come from Schiavone/Safina but they're headcases as we all know it...

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 7th, 2006, 04:29 PM
OMG, people are getting so ridiculous in GM :lol: They're saying that Maria's draw was fixed... Oh well what do I expect from Maria's haters that will come up with no matter how big bullshit to bash Maria :rolleyes:

markspot
Oct 7th, 2006, 04:50 PM
OMG, people are getting so ridiculous in GM :lol: They're saying that Maria's draw was fixed... Oh well what do I expect from Maria's haters that will come up with no matter how big bullshit to bash Maria :rolleyes:

Just repeat what Maria said when waiting for the ceremony ....

madame_maria
Oct 7th, 2006, 04:52 PM
they'll always find a reason and keep going at it.

just laugh at them i guess. or just tell them to shut up and that they suck cause i think that's really funny and i don't get upset like i used to :)

i hope Maria isn't too pressured for this title. i'm 80% sure she lost last year cause she was so pressured to do well on her home soil.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 7th, 2006, 04:54 PM
Just repeat what Maria said when waiting for the ceremony ....
What did she say? :)

markspot
Oct 7th, 2006, 05:06 PM
What did she say? :)

I am too modest to repeat, besides, it may get bleeped here :)
here, approximately 58-59 seconds from the beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0fS19HTx3Q

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 7th, 2006, 05:11 PM
I am too modest to repeat, besides, it may get bleeped here :)
here, approximately 58-59 seconds from the beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0fS19HTx3Q
:lol:

Maria Croft
Oct 7th, 2006, 05:15 PM
A. Bondarenko is in the Q Draw, I hope she doesn't get in Maria's side of the draw, she would be a terrible first opponent. Other then that she has a good draw :yeah:

TennisPlayingFox
Oct 7th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Good luck in Moscow Maria!

bellascarlett
Oct 7th, 2006, 06:06 PM
I am too modest to repeat, besides, it may get bleeped here :)
here, approximately 58-59 seconds from the beginning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0fS19HTx3Q

oh thanks for this. :lol:

I missed her saying this. I think the US coverage missed it.

markspot
Oct 7th, 2006, 06:13 PM
oh thanks for this. :lol:

I missed her saying this. I think the US coverage missed it.

Or commentators may have been speaking at the same time,
as was the case with Sky Sport version, although some people managed to catch it anyway

morningglory
Oct 7th, 2006, 10:00 PM
:haha: "you're all f*cking crazy" or something she said :haha:

daniela86
Oct 7th, 2006, 10:48 PM
A. Bondarenko is in the Q Draw, I hope she doesn't get in Maria's side of the draw, she would be a terrible first opponent. Other then that she has a good draw :yeah:
I agree that Alona can be tricky and that she may threaten Maria.She must be in confidence after her first title in Luxembourg :unsure: but I still think Masha is much more experienced and that she would win all the same.
Best of luck Masha,please do well here :hug: :bounce: I can't wait to see her play again :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

TeaMMashA
Oct 8th, 2006, 08:57 AM
Anyone know when shes scheduled to play?

Maria Croft
Oct 8th, 2006, 10:19 AM
Bondarenko lost today :eek:
So that possible match-up is out of the window ;)

bellascarlett
Oct 8th, 2006, 12:15 PM
Bondarenko lost today :eek:
So that possible match-up is out of the window ;)

:bounce: :lol:

bellascarlett
Oct 8th, 2006, 12:16 PM
Anyone know when shes scheduled to play?
she has a bye so im guessing wednesday. :shrug: could be tuesday.

bellascarlett
Oct 8th, 2006, 12:35 PM
hey did someone check yet if the kremlin cup site is doing the livestream this year? I dont see the link on their site. :sad:

Maria Croft
Oct 8th, 2006, 02:42 PM
Here is the link ;)

Live Stream (http://kremlincup.comstar.ru/tv.shtml)

daniela86
Oct 8th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Bondarenko lost today :eek:
So that possible match-up is out of the window ;)
Yeah good news :banana: It seems her great run at Luxembourg was a kind of fluke.

Confident
Oct 8th, 2006, 06:19 PM
1stR:Bye
2ndR: Qualifier
QF: Safina / Kirilenko
SF: Dementieva / Schnyder
F: Mauresmo / Petrova / Kuznetsova

She has a good chance to reach the final. Safina can be the first tough opponent, Elena and Patty don't play so well in these weeks. But the final... I believe she can beat everybody. :) She is in the easier half of the draw. Good luck!

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 8th, 2006, 06:55 PM
1stR:Bye
2ndR: Qualifier
QF: Safina / Kirilenko
SF: Dementieva / Schnyder
F: Mauresmo / Petrova / Kuznetsova

She has a good chance to reach the final. Safina can be the first tough opponent, Elena and Patty don't play so well in these weeks. But the final... I believe she can beat everybody. :) She is in the easier half of the draw. Good luck!
Judging on the last tournament Maria has an easy way to the final. Safina and Dementieva (injury) played a bad tournament, Schnyder can a be tough one but not that tough and then IMO she'll meet Petrova in the final which really can be a great match, Petrova showed a really good form in Stuttgart, her serve was awesome. I just hope that at the end of the week Maria will be the winner :yeah:

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 8th, 2006, 07:05 PM
Judging on the last tournament Maria has an easy way to the final. Safina and Dementieva (injury) played a bad tournament, Schnyder can a be tough one but not that tough and then IMO she'll meet Petrova in the final which really can be a great match, Petrova showed a really good form in Stuttgart, her serve was awesome. I just hope that at the end of the week Maria will be the winner
I am worried about Safina. Can't believe Maria got her in the quaterfinal again... :devil: She has an unpleasant H2H with Dinara. I also think Safina will have a great desire to win once again in a Moscow match with Masha...

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 8th, 2006, 07:21 PM
I am worried about Safina. Can't believe Maria got her in the quaterfinal again... :devil: She has an unpleasant H2H with Dinara. I also think Safina will have a great desire to win once again in a Moscow match with Masha...
I've just looked at the draw. If we're talking about Safina's chances to be honest I don't think she'll get past Chakvetadze. I would rather say that Chakvetadze will be Maria's quarterfinal opponent ;)

Dan23
Oct 9th, 2006, 12:36 AM
...on the other hand Maria will enjoy the chance for another re-match against Safina if the opportunity arises ;)

markspot
Oct 9th, 2006, 03:29 AM
I am worried about Safina. Can't believe Maria got her in the quaterfinal again... :devil: She has an unpleasant H2H with Dinara. I also think Safina will have a great desire to win once again in a Moscow match with Masha...

H2H?
It is meaningless, we all know the circumstances.
Start counting from the moment Masha said "no more Christmas presents".
Having said that, you cannot dismiss her altogether.
The strongest mentally will win the tournament.

Sharapovafan4eva
Oct 9th, 2006, 07:16 AM
Their H2H does not matter it starts all over again @ 0-0.

I think Maria is in with a good chance!

lakan kildap
Oct 9th, 2006, 07:29 AM
Maria's last loss to Dinara (RG) was something to forget, esp. because she served for the 1st set and lost the set, then served for the match in the 3rd and lost the match.
But IMO, Petrova is a more difficult match up for Maria than Dinara. Maria's almost always drained after they play, because Petrova just kills herself on the court trying to beat Maria. There's intense rivalry among the Russians, but with Petrova, it's on a whole new level.

lakan kildap
Oct 9th, 2006, 08:00 AM
Our cable operator just added Eurosport. Albeit on test broadcast. I hope they keep it on until the end of the WTA championships. Then they can decide whether the 'test broadcast' was a good idea or not. Personally, I think it's good. We need more than ESPN. The sporting world's a far bigger place than ESPN can cover.

markspot
Oct 9th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Our cable operator just added Eurosport. Albeit on test broadcast. I hope they keep it on until the end of the WTA championships. Then they can decide whether the 'test broadcast' was a good idea or not. Personally, I think it's good. We need more than ESPN. The sporting world's a far bigger place than ESPN can cover.

There is Eurosport and also Eurosport 2, frequently some matches are on 2 rather than on 1,
not sure about this tournament, though.
Also French Eurosport and British Eurosport sometimes have different programming than Eurosport international, and even when they show tennis, sometimes different matches.
So you may say there are 6 Eurosports.
That is in Europe,
I have no idea what Eurosport Asia Pacific is, and why it is even called Eurosport.

You may also watch ESPN, ESPN 2, and ESPN Asia on TVU player on the internet

johnoo
Oct 10th, 2006, 06:24 PM
if current tv scheduling is the same tomorrow maria's match will be shown live on eurosport :)

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 10th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Great, I'll be just in time home for Maria's match :D

Maria Croft
Oct 10th, 2006, 07:53 PM
I'm a little nervous to see her play again for the first time after her US Open win, especially because it's Moscow.

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 10th, 2006, 09:00 PM
I'm a little nervous to see her play again for the first time after her US Open win, especially because it's Moscow.
She doesn't have a demanding opponent so everything should go quickly and after an hour we should see Maria winning the match :yeah:
I'm rather excited than nervous, finally she's back on court and I guess she really wants to win here and make us fans happy one more time :lol:

morningglory
Oct 10th, 2006, 10:45 PM
DAVAIDAVAIDAVAI!!! :rocker2:

bellascarlett
Oct 10th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Good luck Masha! :bigclap: Like Ania, I am more excited to see her play again. But Im sure tomorrow I'll be back to my nervous self. :lol:

PS Wanna thank Aaron for my pretty avatar! Isn't it beautiful? :D

azi
Oct 11th, 2006, 01:27 AM
Our cable operator just added Eurosport. Albeit on test broadcast. I hope they keep it on until the end of the WTA championships. Then they can decide whether the 'test broadcast' was a good idea or not. Personally, I think it's good. We need more than ESPN. The sporting world's a far bigger place than ESPN can cover.


who is your cable operator, lakan?

are you on platinum account with skycable?

:wavey:

lakan kildap
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:26 AM
who is your cable operator, lakan?

are you on platinum account with skycable?

:wavey:

no, it's Dream, actually. It's supposed to be satellite (and it is), but because it has the same programming as local cable, I refer to it as "cable". I'm stuck with it. Been with it since 2001. Skycable won't put the hardware in far flung places in the country where there aren't enough subscribers. So in my area, there's quite a few dishes on rooftops.

azi
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:44 AM
no, it's Dream, actually. It's supposed to be satellite (and it is), but because it has the same programming as local cable, I refer to it as "cable". I'm stuck with it. Been with it since 2001. Skycable won't put the hardware in far flung places in the country where there aren't enough subscribers. So in my area, there's quite a few dishes on rooftops.


maraming salamat lakan...

I heard Dream didnt have the complete line up of sky cable, simply because of some on going case....lucky for you to have eurosport channel....just wish it will be permanent now :)

lakan kildap
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:54 AM
I really don't want to feed the "next Sharapova" monster, and I'm sure Nicole Vaidisova deserves to be regarded as a player all her own. but is she (Nicole) also into this "slap my thigh before receiving serve" routine? I thought that was just Maria's routine? Is this a Bolletierri academy thing that rubs on some players? Or is Nicole really a Sharapova clone? (Reminds me that Maria used to be called a Kournikova clone, until she decided to prove them wrong by growing taller and winning some singles titles, including a couple Grand Slams.)

I really hope Nicole develops her own move. Like stroking her thigh slowly :o :o :o :o

OK, ignore that.

Dan23
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:10 AM
good luck today Maria :cool: :yeah:

Its against Bychkova btw :p

lakan kildap
Oct 11th, 2006, 09:11 AM
good luck today Maria :cool: :yeah:

Its against Bychkova btw :p

yeah, I heard she's quite a bych. :)

Dan23
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:18 PM
the score is 6-4 5-5*.....Maria just fought back from 3-5 down
Cmon Maria :yeah:

Dan23
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:27 PM
:woohoo: Masha won 6-4 7-5 :banana:

Her 1st win off her own bat in Russia :tears: :D :clap2:

morningglory
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:29 PM
well she won.
I think Maria played well (bcuz the 7 points that I saw Maria won all of them :o )
You see I had class (which, regrettably was cancelled but I wasted time walking there and back :mad: ) so I watched at 6-4 0-0 which was 4 straight points for Maria then I left and when I got back at 6-4 6-5 15-15 3 straight points :o

Maria Croft
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Today Maria played some amazing tennis (sometimes) and (most of the time) played like crap :lol:

Still glad she fought to close it out in two :yeah:

She looked really nervous out there, must be because of her bad performance last year.
I expect her to play better in her next match.

Dan23
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:41 PM
hopefully someone can get a video uploaded of the last point and Maria's kisses etc :angel:

Maria Croft
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:42 PM
:woohoo: Masha won 6-4 7-5 :banana:

Her 1st win off her own bat in Russia :tears: :D :clap2:

I know, her first real win in Moscow :yeah: :D

Aravanecaravan
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:44 PM
Good job, Masha. Tough day, but in the end she won. Take it to the next level in the quarters!

Confident
Oct 11th, 2006, 02:55 PM
Well done, Masha! Great comeback in the 2nd set. :worship: And her outfit is so beautiful! :yeah:

FedExpress
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:10 PM
Nice win. Good luck for the next round :yeah:

johnoo
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:14 PM
kinda expected that to be a tight match,first match for 4 weeks hopefully that will play her into form.

daniela86
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Phew Masha :D I expected an easier win but it's great she managed to win in 2 sets :D She wasn't used to the surface and didn't play against Katya B before,plus it was the first match in Moscow this year so she must have been under pressure.I think she will play better in QF.
Good luck against Chaky/Fran now :bounce: :bounce: Davai!!!!!!!!! :bigclap: :bigclap:

Teemu
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:34 PM
Tough match, but Maria was able to raise her game when it counted. :)
Best of Luck for the Quarterfinal!

waratahsrock
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:38 PM
Congrats Maria :D
Good way to shake off the nerves and the rust.

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 03:48 PM
I really don't want to feed the "next Sharapova" monster, and I'm sure Nicole Vaidisova deserves to be regarded as a player all her own. but is she (Nicole) also into this "slap my thigh before receiving serve" routine? I thought that was just Maria's routine? Is this a Bolletierri academy thing that rubs on some players? Or is Nicole really a Sharapova clone? (Reminds me that Maria used to be called a Kournikova clone, until she decided to prove them wrong by growing taller and winning some singles titles, including a couple Grand Slams.)

I really hope Nicole develops her own move. Like stroking her thigh slowly :o :o :o :o

OK, ignore that.

Nicole and Masha are very similar - neither of them ever lost a grand slam final. I don't count juniors.

TeaMMashA
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:24 PM
I missed the match :sad:

How was she?

Il Primo!
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:32 PM
I missed the match :sad:

How was she?

Im gonna tell you :p

The first set was kinda ok. Maria hit fair and clean but seemed a lil bit rusty at times. She just had some troubles to break her opponent and wasted BP at several games (Bychkova served at 190mph :eek: ). She served damm well in the first set.

She broke at the first game in the second set and then..I fell asleep :tape: But it seems like she lost her concentration in this set. She was even down 5-4 but eventually won the second 7-5.

johnoo
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:41 PM
(Bychkova served at 190mph :eek: )
LOL I think your wrong there nobody but nobody serves at 190 mph :D

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:42 PM
The second set was awful at times... When she was up in the second she wasted it by making a lot of UE's... I'm glad that the match didn't go to 3 sets :)

TeaMMashA
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Im gonna tell you :p

The first set was kinda ok. Maria hit fair and clean but seemed a lil bit rusty at times. She just had some troubles to break her opponent and wasted BP at several games (Bychkova served at 190mph :eek: ). She served damm well in the first set.

She broke at the first game in the second set and then..I fell asleep :tape: But it seems like she lost her concentration in this set. She was even down 5-4 but eventually won the second 7-5.

Seems kind of smooth, UE's always a problem for Masha when she is not completly on it. More because its Moscow and not a match since US Open seems ok i guess.

Do you mean Kph? :lol:

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:48 PM
Wow seems Masha was lucky to pull it off in two! :eek:
Oh well at least she did & I hope she picks her game up for next round! ;)

Il Primo!
Oct 11th, 2006, 04:48 PM
LOL I think your wrong there nobody but nobody serves at 190 mph :D

...well, :p

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 11th, 2006, 05:52 PM
So I'm just back from the match. Maria looks much more fit compared to last year, her legs are not so thin anymore :D The match was rather good, made me nervous in the second set, but still rather consistent. What I like most is that she served and played well in the tough moments, she also pumped her fist and cried "common" that is always a sing that Maria is ready and willing to play (there were non of this last year). The crowd was great, yealled for Maria a lot, for Katya as well, everyone was friendly (again, not like last year).
What made me laugh is Yuri and Mikle... Yuri was wearing red T-shirt and black cap, Mikle - black T-shirt and red cap, they were sitiing in the same poses all match... They were so funny... :lol:
That I didn't like is how Maria played at the net... :(

daniela86
Oct 11th, 2006, 07:15 PM
So I'm just back from the match. Maria looks much more fit compared to last year, her legs are not so thin anymore :D The match was rather good, made me nervous in the second set, but still rather consistent. What I like most is that she served and played well in the tough moments, she also pumped her fist and cried "common" that is always a sing that Maria is ready and willing to play (there were non of this last year). The crowd was great, yealled for Maria a lot, for Katya as well, everyone was friendly (again, not like last year).
What made me laugh is Yuri and Mikle... Yuri was wearing red T-shirt and black cap, Mikle - black T-shirt and red cap, they were sitiing in the same poses all match... They were so funny... :lol:
That I didn't like is how Maria played at the net... :(
Thank you for the report :yeah: :bounce: It's great to hear that the crowd cheered for Masha :rocker: :D and that everyone was friendly:yeah:
Will you go to see some more matchs? If so,have fun and come here to tell us everything :p

Pink Princess
Oct 11th, 2006, 07:29 PM
Good done Maria:) I want a Chakvetadze vs Sharapova in Quarters tomorrow we know it

myxomatosis
Oct 11th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Thanks for the reports everyone!
Talia I'm so jealous you got to be there!

TeaMMashA
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:00 PM
Yeah Talia lucky to have gone, how was the size of the crowd?

furrykitten
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:08 PM
Good result in the end for Maria :hug:

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Thank you for the report It's great to hear that the crowd cheered for Masha and that everyone was friendly
Will you go to see some more matchs? If so,have fun and come here to tell us everything
You are welcome :) Yeah, I am going to see other matches, try to tell you some details :wavey: .

Maria Croft
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the report :)

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 11th, 2006, 08:18 PM
Yeah Talia lucky to have gone, how was the size of the crowd?
Well, the match was 4.30 pm - working day, so the stadium was not full, but rather many people. And Maria's match was the most popular - many people came for her match and went away when it was over, although there were 2 men single matches after that. I guess on friday and hopefully on weekend ;) it will be full. Btw in the post-match interview Maria said the atmosphere was amazing! So glad she finally got the warm welcome :kiss: .

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 10:36 PM
So the chair umpire Carlos Ramos learned how to announce score in Russian,
but also - how to pronounce "SharApova" correctly.
I wonder if in other tournaments he will retain what he learned ....

myxomatosis
Oct 11th, 2006, 10:46 PM
So the chair umpire Carlos Ramos learned how to announce score in Russian,
but also - how to pronounce "SharApova" correctly.
I wonder if in other tournaments he will retain what he learned ....Well Maria herself pronounces it SharapOva when speaking English. She was asked about the proper pronunciation in an interview once. She said SharapOva was correct when speaking English and SharApova when speaking Russian.

Great first win back Maria! :yeah:

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 10:57 PM
Well Maria herself pronounces it SharapOva when speaking English. She was asked about the proper pronunciation in an interview once. She said SharapOva was correct when speaking English and SharApova when speaking Russian.

Great first win back Maria! :yeah:

The last two points were great!


Yes, I know that, and it is absurd, she is no authority on how her name has to be pronounced. I mean, if she wants to destort it, that is her business, but others still should pronounce it correctly. "Sharapova" is not an English word. There is no Russian and English pronounciation, there is only the right one and the wrong one.
So I hope Ramos will not be under pressure from WTA or from somebody to pronounce it wrong.

myxomatosis
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:07 PM
Yes, I know that, and it is absurd, she is no authority on how her name has to be pronounced. I mean, if she wants to destort it, that is her business, but others still should pronounce it correctly. "Sharapova" is not an English word. There is no Russian and English pronounciation, there is only the right one and the wrong one.
So I hope Ramos will not be under pressure from WTA or from somebody to pronounce it wrong.It's her last name so the way she pronounces it is the correct pronunciation. To try to tell someone how they ought to pronounce their own last name is absurd.

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:16 PM
It's her last name so the way she pronounces it is the correct pronunciation. To try to tell someone how they ought to pronounce their own last name is absurd.

I categorically disagree. I know that it is in American tradition to call yourself Pu Dudu or something, or to distort prononciation of own names,
like Dionne Warwick, wanting "w" to be pronounced.
But you see, it is not your name but also the family name,
so, unless you treat it as a name change, you should not change the pronounciation.
BTW, I always ignore wrong pronounciations,
for example, if a guy calls himself Carl Bernstein,
but his name is not spelled like Bruce Springsteen, I still pronounce it "shtine", whether he likes it or not.

myxomatosis
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:21 PM
My mother's maiden name is Irvine. She pronounces it Irvin (with a short i sound). That is how I pronounce it as well. So you are telling me this pronunciation is incorrect and you would only pronounce it as Irvine with a "long" i sound?

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:34 PM
My mother's maiden name is Irvine. She pronounces it Irvin (with a short i sound). That is how I pronounce it as well. So you are telling me this pronunciation is incorrect and you would only pronounce it as Irvine with a "long" i sound?

If this pronounciation is in the family for generations, then, perhaps, it is ok.
With english/irish etc names, it is difficult for me to know what is the rule and what is an exception.
Still, when a name is of a clear german origin with clear pronounciation, with "stein" I don't want to "americanize" it.

Certainly, SharapOva comes from nowhere, and Maria should not agree with that, especially that it is not really her invention, there is as if a deliberate attempt to distort russian names, take, for example, Kuznetsova,
she herself certainly disagrees with calling her KuznEtsova, but americans still do, and even WTA website still does, despite her protests!
There is no consistency here, if you want to accent always Ova, thinking that it is an american way to pronounce russian names then Kuznetsova should be lucky - but she is not.

myxomatosis
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:46 PM
If this pronounciation is in the family for generations, then, perhaps, it is ok.
With english/irish etc names, it is difficult for me to know what is the rule and what is an exception.
Still, when a name is of a clear german origin with clear pronounciation, with "stein" I don't want to "americanize" it.

Certainly, SharapOva comes from nowhere, and Maria should not agree to that, especially that is not really her invention, there is as if a deliberate attempt to distort russain names, take, for example, Kuznetsova,
she herself certainly disagrees with calling her KuznEtsova, but americans still do, and even WTA website still does, despite her protests!
There is no consistency here, if you want to accent always Ova, thinking that it is an american way to pronounce russian names then Kuznetsova should be lucky - but she is not.There is no conspiracy to mispronounce Russian names. People Anglicise Russian names because they are unfamiliar with general Russian accentuation, which differs greatly from the English pattern of accentuation.
If Kuznetsova is unhappy with the English pronunciation of her name, then she has every right to make that apparent and it's unfortunate if people continue to pronounce her name in this way (however, I for one was not aware that Svetlana had any issue with the English accentuation).

That doesn't change the fact that Maria can pronounce her last name any way she damn wants and people should respect that and follow suite. There is no "wrong" way to pronounce one's own last name and you shouldn't have to worry about the language police coming after you with grammar and accentuation rules.
And I'm glad you feel my pronunciation of my last name is perhaps okay. I was worried I would have to call up my family and let them know about their grave error in pronunciation.

Anyway, we're really horribly off topic here so at the very least this should be moved to the Off Topic thread :lol:

markspot
Oct 11th, 2006, 11:58 PM
however, I for one was not aware that Svetlana had any issue with the English accentuation
Well, she explained how to pronounce her name in the middle of Ashe Stadium when accepting the trophy.
No effect though....
(and it is not really "English accentuation", if English accentuation is Ova, like Sharapova, be consistent)


That doesn't change the fact that Maria can pronounce her last name any way she damn wants and people should respect that and follow suite.

I doubt if I can respect that ugly pronounciation, and certainly I cannot follow suite, I'd rather stick with her mother's pronounciation of her married name ....


And I'm glad you feel my pronunciation of my last name is perhaps okay. I was worried I would have to call up my family and let them know about their grave error in pronunciation.

You are welcome

But you respect how your mother pronounce her name and you continue to pronounce it that way.
But Maria does not, and she should.



Anyway, we're really horribly off topic here so at the very least this should be moved to the Off Topic thread :lol:

Agree, went off topic, although started on topic - with Carlos Ramos sitting in the chair ...

myxomatosis
Oct 12th, 2006, 12:04 AM
Okay well you can't respect Maria's pronunciation of her own name. I can't respect you for taking that viewpoint. And you probably can't respect me for my viewpoint.
All in all there is a severe lack of respect going on here.
And on that note,

Good luck in the QF Maria! :lol:

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 12:05 AM
Good luck in the QF Maria! :lol:

and that is the only thing we can agree on :)

bellascarlett
Oct 12th, 2006, 12:22 AM
So I'm just back from the match. Maria looks much more fit compared to last year, her legs are not so thin anymore :D The match was rather good, made me nervous in the second set, but still rather consistent. What I like most is that she served and played well in the tough moments, she also pumped her fist and cried "common" that is always a sing that Maria is ready and willing to play (there were non of this last year). The crowd was great, yealled for Maria a lot, for Katya as well, everyone was friendly (again, not like last year).
What made me laugh is Yuri and Mikle... Yuri was wearing red T-shirt and black cap, Mikle - black T-shirt and red cap, they were sitiing in the same poses all match... They were so funny... :lol:
That I didn't like is how Maria played at the net... :(

Thanks Talia! Yeah I watched the livestream and I must say there was really a big difference in how she was received today from last year. I like how the audience always chanted "Ma-sha! Ma-sha!" and there were even girls screaming piercingly at the end when things got a little bit tense everytime Maria won a point. I was laughing when the camera focused on some of those girls. Maybe you were one of them Talia? :lol:

With the US Open win, I knew Maria would be accepted more warmly. I just don't know how it will go when she faces a more well known Russian like Lena. But I'm assuming she has her fanbase in Moscow already so she should be fine. She must have really like the atmosphere a while ago.

Have fun at the matches Talia! Cheer loudly for all of us! Bring a poster or sign so I could see you on tv! I've seen a fan of Marat (poster on his forum) on tv so many times during Davis cup. A few of them are featured in a picture with Marat on his blog for ATP because they brought a sign saying "Blog us Marat" today :lol: So try to bring one for Maria so that you can have your chance to shine as well! :D

Dan23
Oct 12th, 2006, 12:41 AM
argueing about the pronunciation of Maria's name now? :lol:
Ive heard Maria talking in Russian and saying Sharaaaapova dont think it makes much difference really :p

lakan kildap
Oct 12th, 2006, 02:18 AM
Me, I've gotten used to names becoming altered once you hit US territory. Nothing against Americans, mind you, but they do things their own way there. That was the point of separating from Britain, wasn't it? :)

The former Detroit Piston basketball player Mark Aguirre for example, would have had his name pronounced in the Spanish way had he been living in South America, Spain or the Philippines (where most family names are Spanish based), A-Gi-rre. But in the United States, his name sounds like Maguire. So I basically leave people to their desires.

I understand what markspot is trying to say, though. I am a language enthusiast myself, although not formally trained. More like a language conservationist, really, I tend to want to preserve languages, to make them stay where they are, at least for the moment. I hate it when a language changes for no logical reason, and for no added value. I have my reasons for desiring so, my own native language (Pampango) is dying, being killed by the endless influx of words borrowed from Tagalog and English.

Anyway, I was watching Eurosport last night, and the featured matches were Kuznetsova-Zvonareva and Sharapova-Bychkova. Most of you know about the matches already, so I'll just sneak in a few observations:

1. Maria looks dark around the eyes to me. Effects of the recent illness? Fatigue, perhaps?

2. Bychkova's serve is a blur. She swings the racket like a pendulum as she bounces the ball, then she tosses the ball, and then her right arm simply disappears. There is no loud thwack like it is with Roddick, but the rackethead and ball speed is amazing. Most of the times she was aced, Maria simply walks over to the other side or to the chair. She must be thinking "What can I do? I didn't even hear that one."

3. I don't know much about fashion, so I'll leave it to others to comment on the design of Maria's dress. But I have to say the fit around the neck area is bad. It's probably the fabric. The neckline sags to the right, probably because of the pull from Maria's right arm as she serves and hits forehands. If she hadn't anything behind that outer layer, that dress would spill her right boob any time she bends down. To their credit, the TV people in Moscow would respectfully lower the lens to her hand and waist area as she bounces the ball, then go up and zoom out only after she's straightened up to toss the ball. If only the TV people in the Grand Slams were as respectful.

4. I have to agree with Roddick's comment on Moscow around Davis Cup time. So many beautiful women out there. When you think about how many beautiful Russian players there are already, and then you see the non-playing spectators in their best livery and makeup. Wow. And they love drinking too, great! :D

5. Does Masha really sound like Massa? I thought it would sound more like Mash-ya. That's the Filipino in me, I guess. I still have a lot to learn.

6. Down to her basic instincts, Maria yells in English (C'mon!). I still think Maria's heart is with Russia, but can't she exclaim in Russian for once, just for the fans? I mean, with Federer, from multilingual Switzerland, you hear something German or French come out of him. Those are his languages, and they express what he feels.

7. Great match for Vera, btw. Sveta is obviously off form, but just the same Vera played very well to prevent Sveta from recouping. You wonder why Vera is ranked so low, as is Bychkova. The quality of Russian tennis is formidable. As the English commentators said, the Russians could probably field two sides in the Fed Cup, and both would make the final.

Good luck in the Final :)

And yeah, Eurosport (whatever number it is, or plain Eurosport) should remain in my cable's programming.

lakan kildap
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Bychkova probably served 190KPH, which is how I'd expect them to say it in the metric world (which is just about anywhere outside the US, which still uses a derivative of the Imperial system). That would be 118mph, faster than Maria's. More than the raw speed, Bychkova's ball just seems to vaporize. Not a lot of weight/thump behind it, but it's fast. It's almost like a tobacco-smeared baseball from the spitball era instead of bright yellow-green.
I can't see it most of the time, until it's in Maria's racket.

Maria for her part, did some amazing "snaking" serves down the T that swerved away from her opponent. Second set statistics aside, both served very well at times.

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:56 AM
argueing about the pronunciation of Maria's name now? :lol:
Ive heard Maria talking in Russian and saying Sharaaaapova dont think it makes much difference really :p

It makes a difference to people who are not americans accustomed to the wrong pronounciation which sounds very ugly and weird, really.

But the discussion was really about the chair umpire Carlos Ramos pronouncing Maria's name right, and whether he will continue to do so in other tournaments, now that he learned how to pronounce it correctly, or will be forced by WTA and other dark forces to use the WTA pronounciation.

Shoulderpova
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:59 AM
It was a tough one but expected :o
She needs to raise her level against Anna/Franny :scared:

myxomatosis
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:05 AM
It makes a difference to people who are not americans accustomed to the wrong pronounciation which sounds very ugly and weird, really.

But the discussion was really about the chair umpire Carlos Ramos pronouncing Maria's name right, and whether he will continue to do so in other tournaments, now that he learned how to pronounce it correctly, or will be forced by WTA and other dark forces to use the WTA pronounciation.I'm not going to start up arguing again so no worries. :p
Just wanted to point out that Dan is not an American and neither am I. You can't just lump all us native English speakers together. ;)

Maria for her part, did some amazing "snaking" serves down the T that swerved away from her opponent. Second set statistics aside, both served very well at times.I was so impressed by Maria's serving at the USO. It's good to know that she's still serving great :yeah:

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:09 AM
Bychkova probably served 190KPH, which is how I'd expect them to say it in the metric world (which is just about anywhere outside the US, which still uses a derivative of the Imperial system).

There is nothing more stupid than Fahrenheit scale, though.
Use any scale you want, but at least zero should mean something useful.


Maria for her part, did some amazing "snaking" serves down the T that swerved away from her opponent. Second set statistics aside, both served very well at times.
They worked great for her in the USO final.

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:19 AM
I'm not going to start up arguing again so no worries. :p
Just wanted to point out that Dan is not an American and neither am I. You can't just lump all us native English speakers together. ;)


I'm sorry.
In my defence, you can see how I thought you were an American, using the Canadian flag just as an American would do..

myxomatosis
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:29 AM
I'm sorry.
In my defence, you can see how I thought you were an American, using the Canadian flag just as an American would do..Oh now that depends if you like Bush or not :hehehe:

stevos
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Howdy folks! Never been around these parts. Hows it going everybody? :wavey:

myxomatosis
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:35 AM
Howdy folks! Never been around these parts. Hows it going everybody? :wavey:Hello strange lad! :hatoff:

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 05:03 AM
Me, I've gotten used to names becoming altered once you hit US territory. Nothing against Americans, mind you, but they do things their own way there.
...
I hate it when a language changes for no logical reason


That is a good point : the key word is "altered"
They do not try to use a uniform rule, such as "Ova always accented",
or not accented.
Just alter for the sake of altering.
KuznetsOva becomes KuznEtsova, while SharApova becomes SharapOva
Just crazy.


2. Bychkova's serve is a blur. She swings the racket like a pendulum as she bounces the ball, then she tosses the ball, and then her right arm simply disappears. There is no loud thwack like it is with Roddick, but the rackethead and ball speed is amazing. Most of the times she was aced, Maria simply walks over to the other side or to the chair. She must be thinking "What can I do? I didn't even hear that one."


Yes, if she could make a higher percentage of them, then she can hardly be broken.

But in all the other components of play Masha should have been way better. And certainly there was no need for her to make those doublefaults, because only a couple of Katia's returns were winners.
So she was rusty, to many UEs, but a double on a breakpoint?!
That is stupid, you can do it if you are 5:0 ahead, perhaps.


5. Does Masha really sound like Massa? I thought it would sound more like Mash-ya. That's the Filipino in me, I guess. I still have a lot to learn.


The "sh" in Masha is hard, not soft as in English,
therefore not Mashya, and it is sh, not ss.
There is also a form of her short name Mashenka, even there sh is not too soft.
Also hard sh in Sharapova

Basically, you can catch a foreigner speaking russian when sh is too soft,
just as a foreigner (russian?) speaking English when sh is too hard ...



6. Down to her basic instincts, Maria yells in English (C'mon!). I still think Maria's heart is with Russia, but can't she exclaim in Russian for once, just for the fans? I mean, with Federer, from multilingual Switzerland, you hear something German or French come out of him. Those are his languages, and they express what he feels.


I think I remember a "davai" either from Masha or from her father once, a couple of years ago, maybe?


7. Great match for Vera, btw. Sveta is obviously off form, but just the same Vera played very well to prevent Sveta from recouping. You wonder why Vera is ranked so low, as is Bychkova.


Bychkova is on her way up - sort of. Two steps up, one down.
Vera was already in top 10, but she is also on her way up now, compared to how her 2005 ended. She seems to be stronger mentally now, she used to desintegrate completely over one bad shot and lose a match even when on the verge of winning it where that one shot meant nothing.

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Howdy folks! Never been around these parts. Hows it going everybody? :wavey:

You chose to appear here just when I was making jokes about Canadians :)

Dan23
Oct 12th, 2006, 06:29 AM
It makes a difference to people who are not americans accustomed to the wrong pronounciation which sounds very ugly and weird, really.

But the discussion was really about the chair umpire Carlos Ramos pronouncing Maria's name right, and whether he will continue to do so in other tournaments, now that he learned how to pronounce it correctly, or will be forced by WTA and other dark forces to use the WTA pronounciation.
Im not sure if the WTA would really be worried which way Maria's name was pronounced? Its still blatantly clear who she is. Ramos probably just thought he'd better use the more Russian pronunciantion due to hearing it a few times during his stay ;) Either way Maria is happy, the crowd know who she is and its spelt the same way :p

lakan kildap
Oct 12th, 2006, 06:43 AM
There is nothing more stupid than Fahrenheit scale, though.
Use any scale you want, but at least zero should mean something useful.



:topic:
One story I read in grade school was that Gabriel Fahrenheit first measured the temperature of frozen water (or solid ice) and that was his zero mark. Then he realized the temperature of water as it begins to freeze (freezing point) was also important, so he measured that and marked it also in the thermometer. Then the boiling point of water. And so on. That's why the freezing point (also the melting point) of water is at 32. Of course, I do not know for a fact that frozen water is 0 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale, nor do I understand why there are 212 units. ???

Among the English/Imperial/US Systems measures, the Fahrenheit is indeed the most difficult. With feet and meters conversions, usually you just use a factor or divisor. With Fahrenheit to Centigrade, you need a whole formula. To go the other way, you need another formula.

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 12th, 2006, 01:20 PM
So the chair umpire Carlos Ramos learned how to announce score in Russian,
but also - how to pronounce "SharApova" correctly.
I wonder if in other tournaments he will retain what he learned ....
I pronounce it like that... Does that make me cool?

And Lovin the name Katya, coz that's my name is Russian :hearts:
I actually get called that by one of my friends! :lol:

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 02:31 PM
:topic:
One story I read in grade school was that Gabriel Fahrenheit first measured the temperature of frozen water (or solid ice) and that was his zero mark. Then he realized the temperature of water as it begins to freeze (freezing point) was also important, so he measured that and marked it also in the thermometer. Then the boiling point of water. And so on. That's why the freezing point (also the melting point) of water is at 32. Of course, I do not know for a fact that frozen water is 0 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale, nor do I understand why there are 212 units. ???

Among the English/Imperial/US Systems measures, the Fahrenheit is indeed the most difficult. With feet and meters conversions, usually you just use a factor or divisor. With Fahrenheit to Centigrade, you need a whole formula. To go the other way, you need another formula.

It's not just conversion difficulties,
the expressions "sub-zero temperature", "below zero", "above zero" make no sense too

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 02:37 PM
Im not sure if the WTA would really be worried which way Maria's name was pronounced? Its still blatantly clear who she is. Ramos probably just thought he'd better use the more Russian pronunciantion due to hearing it a few times during his stay ;) Either way Maria is happy, the crowd know who she is and its spelt the same way :p

I think that all umpires got some special training in Moscow,
it is no accident that they are announcing score in russian and trying to pronounce russian names correctly.

So the question is: will they go back to wrong pronounciation in other tournaments, in other words, do they also think like Masha,
that "English pronounciation" of russian names is different.
Or will they be encouraged by WTA to use "English pronounciation",
because wtatour website, although ridiculed by everybody, sticks to wrong pronounciations.

xan
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:14 PM
Bychkova probably served 190KPH, which is how I'd expect them to say it in the metric world (which is just about anywhere outside the US, which still uses a derivative of the Imperial system). That would be 118mph, faster than Maria's. More than the raw speed, Bychkova's ball just seems to vaporize. Not a lot of weight/thump behind it, but it's fast. It's almost like a tobacco-smeared baseball from the spitball era instead of bright yellow-green.
I can't see it most of the time, until it's in Maria's racket.

Very surprised at how hard Bychkova served, according to the site her top serve was an amazing 197 kph - which is over 120 MPH!!! Bychkovas average 1st serve was 185 kph which is 115 mph which makes her one of the biggest serveres in the WTA, bigger than Petrova!

Maria for her part, did some amazing "snaking" serves down the T that swerved away from her opponent. . I loved that one.

Dan23
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Yea Maria gets that serve to slice away miles...some of them must deviate at least 2-3 metres...untouchable when theyre placed on the T

xan
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:19 PM
:topic:
One story I read in grade school was that Gabriel Fahrenheit first measured the temperature of frozen water (or solid ice) and that was his zero mark. Then he realized the temperature of water as it begins to freeze (freezing point) was also important, so he measured that and marked it also in the thermometer. Then the boiling point of water. And so on. That's why the freezing point (also the melting point) of water is at 32. Of course, I do not know for a fact that frozen water is 0 degrees on the Fahrenheit scale, nor do I understand why there are 212 units. ???
.

Fahrenheit is designed to measure the weather - where it is more useful than celsius, since its gradations actually reflect weather conditions.

30s - Freezing
40s - Cold
50s - Mild
60s - pleasantly warm
70s - Really warm
80s - Hot
90s - Blistering hot.

Centigrade divisions are arbitrary 20'sC can go from the 60sF to the 80sF

Freezing point is 32 in fahrenheit.

Zero fahrenheit was the coldest day Fahrenheit was able to measure
100 fahrenheit was the hottest day.

Dan23
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:22 PM
90's blistering hot?? :lol:
try 110's

xan
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:27 PM
Yea Maria gets that serve to slice away miles...some of them must deviate at least 2-3 metres...untouchable when theyre placed on the T
Hopefully Maria will become a real 'Mistress of Servology" in the future. :armed:

:cool: And fahrenheit was designed in Europe - not the outback! Nineties is blistering hot in these parts.

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:33 PM
Fahrenheit is designed to measure the weather - where it is more useful than celsius, since its gradations actually reflect weather conditions.

30s - Freezing
40s - Cold
50s - Mild
60s - pleasantly warm
70s - Really warm
80s - Hot
90s - Blistering hot.

Centigrade divisions are arbitrary 20'sC can go from the 60sF to the 80sF

Freezing point is 32 in fahrenheit.

Zero fahrenheit was the coldest day Fahrenheit was able to measure
100 fahrenheit was the hottest day.


So Fahrenheit scale was invented in 1724, and modern Celcius - in 1744
or so, looking from today - almost simultaneusly.
Surely, by 1744 Fahrenheit termometers did not become widely used.
Therefore there is no justification whatsoever for using Fahrenheit scale,
a scale with an accidental zero value instead of a useful and convenient one.

xan
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:42 PM
So Fahrenheit scale was invented in 1724, and modern Celcius - in 1744
or so, looking from today - almost simultaneusly.
Surely, by 1744 Fahrenheit termometers did not become widely used.
Therefore there is no justification whatsoever for using Fahrenheit scale,
a scale with an accidental zero value instead of a useful and convenient one.

Centigrade is okay for Science, but wasn't picked up for general use as quickly as Fahrenheit - which is better for weather.

morningglory
Oct 12th, 2006, 03:44 PM
Centigrade is okay for Science, but wasn't picked up for general use as quickly as Fahrenheit - which is better for weather.
actually in Science it's better to use K for Kelvin
Farenheit shows the difference between cold, moderate, warm and hot weather more clearly e.g 60F - 80F
But for celcius 20 - 33 C doesn't seem too different on paper but in reality it's chilling cold VS sweltering hot

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:35 PM
actually in Science it's better to use K for Kelvin
Farenheit shows the difference between cold, moderate, warm and hot weather more clearly e.g 60F - 80F
But for celcius 20 - 33 C doesn't seem too different on paper but in reality it's chilling cold VS sweltering hot

So what about this: use Celcius but make a degree twice smaller:
0 - freezing
200 - boiling, instead 100.
Then you still can have your wheather,
but zero would mean what it should mean - a slippery road, be careful,
not some weird number nobody can remember anyway.
I'm sure Farenheit is causing a lot of traffic accidents that could be avoided with centigrade

johnoo
Oct 12th, 2006, 04:45 PM
this is why we use Celsius in the uk from the bbc weather centre.
Why do you use Celsius not Fahrenheit?
Celsius v Fahrenheit
Responsibility for the general replacement of the imperial measures (such as Fahrenheit) with metric (Celsius) rests with successive Governments, who decided that the country should shift to the metric system.

Imperial measurements, however, are not excluded from our broadcasts because there are still a great many people who are only familiar with the imperial system. As a public service broadcaster, the BBC must cater for both systems to try and ensure, as far as possible, no section of our audience is alienated. The general rule for weather is that we show Celsius values on our graphics, but also give equivalent Fahrenheit figures verbally when they are unusual for the time of year or significant in some other way.

Maria Croft
Oct 12th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Good luck tomorrow in your QF match Maria!

Confident
Oct 12th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Good luck tomorrow! I think it will be a lil' bit tough, but she can win in straigth sets. DAVAJ! :clap2:

johnoo
Oct 12th, 2006, 07:35 PM
good news maria will be live again on eurosport tomorrow :bounce:

Aravanecaravan
Oct 12th, 2006, 08:51 PM
good news maria will be live again on eurosport tomorrow :bounce:


And hopefully the Tennis Channel. Coverage starts at 7AM EDT, which I think corresponds to the Vaidisova-Mauresmo match at 1500 Moscow time. Masha follows that one, so I am crossing fingers that we get it.

Go Masha! Take Moscow by storm!

markspot
Oct 12th, 2006, 09:15 PM
And hopefully the Tennis Channel. Coverage starts at 7AM EDT, which I think corresponds to the Vaidisova-Mauresmo match at 1500 Moscow time. Masha follows that one, so I am crossing fingers that we get it.

Go Masha! Take Moscow by storm!

If it is not live, there is internet streaming, better than nothing.
The feeds are (hopefully, the ip address tomorrow will be the same):

center court
mms://82.204.248.34/h4
court 1
mms://82.204.248.34/h1
court 2
mms://82.204.248.34/h2
court 3
mms://82.204.248.34/h3
court 4 - no feed

court 1-court 3 - no sound, only static video

replacing h by l you will get lower bitrate dial-up suitable feeds, for example
mms://82.204.248.34/l4


These feeds can be also recorded, even all four at once, with WMR11, for example, and watched while recording too.

Andy.
Oct 13th, 2006, 03:48 AM
I was really happy to see that Masha was able to fight thru her first round. I will not be able to post for the rest of the tournament as my computor is broken untill onday, Im posting at a net cafe right no. Good luck for the rest of the week Masha, im sure dan will keep me updated.

morningglory
Oct 13th, 2006, 07:10 AM
2 AM here in Waco and I'm watching Nadia VS Vera... anyone else here?
I dunno if I could stay up for Maria's match even tho tomorrow's fall break so no classes and I can get up at noon if I want to :p

Anyway in case I don't make it: DAVAI DAVAI DAVAI!
May the angel be victorious! :armed:

Dan23
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:04 AM
good luck today Maria :yeah:

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:12 AM
Maria withdrew from the tournament... no detail yet

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:18 AM
I am shocked... the press-conference with her will be in munites, I'll post news when find out what has happened... Sad :sad:

Dan23
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:25 AM
:eek: :speakles:

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:28 AM
Right leg injury

lakan kildap
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:29 AM
I cannot believe it.

Dan23
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:31 AM
Russian site is saying right foot injury :bigcry:

maybe her ankle again :scared:

shad9480
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:42 AM
Huwaaa...Oh Masha! :sobbing: :crying2: :hysteric: So looking forward to see you in action :sad:

Right foot or right leg injury? Hope it's not serious...
What about Zurich then? I'll be in a bad mood if I have to wait for the YEC to see Masha again :(

Dan23
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:54 AM
conspiracy theory thing going on in the GM and russian site now :o

might wait for the real explanation....

shad9480
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:56 AM
Oh great...Masha haters are all out now in GM bashing her for withdrawing. The Maria not-Russian Sharapova crap continues :ras: :o

Maria...whatever the reason, I'm behind you. I know you take everything into consideration before you withdraw. Get well soon. :hug:
Hope Zurich is still on :bounce:

WIMBLY2004
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:10 AM
conspiracy theory thing going on in the GM and russian site now :o

might wait for the real explanation....

Those conspiracy theories are just crap, yeah right, Masha flew all the way to Russia just to withdraw, those haters are so annoying.

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:23 AM
I blame the outfit! :angel:

But poor Masha, I hope she is ok! :sad:

jcshie
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:26 AM
MOSCOW: Russian second seed Maria Sharapova has pulled out of the Kremlin
Cup here with a right hip injury.

The 19-year-old Sharapova, third in the WTA rankings, enjoyed a first round
bye in Moscow but said she felt pain in her right hip after her second round
straight-sets win over compatriot Ekaterina Bychkova on Wednesday.

"I felt pain in my right hip after my first match here," this year's US Open
champion said.

"I couldn't practise or even walk yesterday.

"I have to pull out. I'm really disappointed but I have no choice."

Russian Anna Chakvetadze earned a place in the event's semi-finals after
Sharapova's decision to withdraw.

http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1058303

f_torres
Oct 13th, 2006, 11:03 AM
Maria withdrew from the tournament... no detail yet

it's friday 13 :mad:

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 11:47 AM
In the russian forum you can hear what she herself has to say (it is in russian):
http://www.sharapova.ru/media/otkaz.mp3

Sharapovafan4eva
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:19 PM
I hope she'll recover soon!

Dan23
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:40 PM
Russian article says foot injury and the English one says hip injury...maybe a translating error? A news report here also stated hip injury :scratch:

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:40 PM
I can see now how there are contradicting things in the news:
hip - foot.
She herself said "the top surface of the right leg"
"top" suggest foot perhaps, but who knows, not necessarily.
Does not sound too serious, but less serious things sometimes are lingering, tricky things with nerve endings, etc.

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:43 PM
Russian article says foot injury and the English one says hip injury...maybe a translating error? A news report here also stated hip injury :scratch:


She herself did not say neither foot nor hip,
she said "leg".
She used "noga" in russian.
So that is ambigous.
But she said "the top surface of right leg".
I can imagine the top surface of a foot, but also the top surface of a thigh, why not.

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:45 PM
She says foot on her site!

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 12:52 PM
She says foot on her site!

Yes.
So it is probably the foot, then.
"top" sort of indicated that.
But I doubt if she really wrote that herself, perhaps it is just a translation of what she said in russian.

ImaVeggie
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:06 PM
I'd really like to get this translated. Is there noone here that knows Russian?

http://www.sharapova.ru/media/otkaz.mp3

myxomatosis
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:12 PM
She herself did not say neither foot nor hip,
she said "leg".
She used "noga" in russian.
So that is ambigous.
But she said "the top surface of right leg".
I can imagine the top surface of a foot, but also the top surface of a thigh, why not.But "noga" is ambiguous anyway; it can mean "leg" or "foot" in Russian.

Either way, I agree with Katie, it's definitely the outfit that caused the injury :devil:

morningglory
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:26 PM
:sad:

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:47 PM
But "noga" is ambiguous anyway; it can mean "leg" or "foot" in Russian.


No more ambiguous than english "leg"
She could have said "stopa" in russian if she wanted to say "foot"

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 13th, 2006, 01:57 PM
That really sucks... Is there still the possibility that Maria will reach #1 rank this year? I hope so :unsure:

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:00 PM
That really sucks... Is there still the possibility that Maria will reach #1 rank this year? I hope so :unsure:

Well, Mauresmo just lost to Vaidishova

RussiaTennis
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Well, Mauresmo just lost to Vaidishova

Well mauresmo is only around 150pts ahead of Maria in the race but Henin is a massive 750pts ahead of Maria.

Confident
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:29 PM
:sad: :crying2: Poor Maria! She is unlucky in Moscow. How could it happen, she had very good chances to win the title... But I really hope it is not serious. She must be so dissapointed. Get well soon!!! :hug:

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:31 PM
Well, Mauresmo just lost to Vaidishova
I know :devil: The only positive thing that has happened today so far ;)

the cat
Oct 13th, 2006, 02:37 PM
I'm shocked and dissapointed to come here to WTA World this morning and learn of Masha's withdrawal from Moscow. :eek: :( I was hoping she could end the 2006 season healthy and be ready for a big 2007. Now this injury throws her preparation and participation in the 2006 YEC and the 2007 Australian Open in doubt.

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 03:09 PM
Well mauresmo is only around 150pts ahead of Maria in the race but Henin is a massive 750pts ahead of Maria.

Henin is 436 points ahead, the race points are irrelevant

Teemu
Oct 13th, 2006, 03:25 PM
Get well soon Masha! :hug:

Aravanecaravan
Oct 13th, 2006, 03:29 PM
It's disappointing, to be sure, but unlike any other WTA player, she is a $25 million a year athlete. It isn't worth risking or aggrevating an injury that could keep her out longer.

Doesn't sound like anything big. Soreness in her foot. Could be something as routine as a pulled muscle or a strain.

She's right, though--if you can't be 100%, why bother? That would disappoint the fans even more (e.g., IW '05).

Get better soon, Masha, and come back fighting harder than ever!

shadowsecret
Oct 13th, 2006, 03:35 PM
i was really looking forward to the match :( but that's okay maria, get well soon!!

TeaMMashA
Oct 13th, 2006, 04:03 PM
:sad: Speechless

Get well soon Maria :hug:

RussiaTennis
Oct 13th, 2006, 04:30 PM
Henin is 436 points ahead, the race points are irrelevant

Whoever wins the race will be number 1 at the end of the year.

Right now it looks like its going to be Henin

xan
Oct 13th, 2006, 04:37 PM
Really bad news. :sobbing: I wondered why the next match on was suddenly Demented.

Not a good friday 13th for Masha. And the crowds were really supporting her too.

I think it has a lot to do with her taking such a long break and then coming in to such a tough match against bychkova. Anyway I hope its not serious and Masha can play the YEC.

furrykitten
Oct 13th, 2006, 04:39 PM
Get well son Maria :hug:

Lillibet
Oct 13th, 2006, 05:19 PM
Get well son Maria :hug:

1. I didn't realise Maria was a boy.
2. I didn't realise he was your son

:p...sorry couldn't resist!

Take care Maria!

Kim's_fan_4ever
Oct 13th, 2006, 05:24 PM
1. I didn't realise Maria was a boy.
2. I didn't realise he was your son

:p...sorry couldn't resist!

Take care Maria!
:haha: :yeah:

Maria Croft
Oct 13th, 2006, 06:04 PM
I hope it's nothing serious :hug:

furrykitten
Oct 13th, 2006, 06:26 PM
1. I didn't realise Maria was a boy.
2. I didn't realise he was your son

:p...sorry couldn't resist!

Take care Maria!

:lol: Funny Amy, looks like I'll have to be keeping a very close on you in the future for any typos ;)
We really need to take that trip down the gym! ;)

Lillibet
Oct 13th, 2006, 08:45 PM
:lol: Funny Amy, looks like I'll have to be keeping a very close on you in the future for any typos ;)
We really need to take that trip down the gym! ;)

Haha.... except you might enjoy the gym trip a little too much! :p

furrykitten
Oct 13th, 2006, 08:50 PM
Haha.... except you might enjoy the gym trip a little too much! :p

Not as much as you :lol:

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:08 PM
Whoever wins the race will be number 1 at the end of the year.

Right now it looks like its going to be Henin

Not necessarily.

Wait a minute!
Is it your new way to define number 1 at the end of the year?

Only the year-ending ranking goes to history books.

But I personally think that whoever wins the WTA Championships becomes the World Champion.
That what "Championships" really should mean.
That is the number one player of the year, if you like.
The WTA Champion of 2006.
The World Champion of 2006.

But the race points are not important, they are important only to qualify for the WTA Championships, otherwise, why have the Championships at all.

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:12 PM
So sad. She was autographing today before the announcement. She was upset and her eyes were red. I didn't understand why... Poor Maria... As I've got from her interview the injury is not so serious, it's painful but she will recover soon.

RussiaTennis
Oct 13th, 2006, 09:33 PM
Not necessarily.

Wait a minute!
Is it your new way to define number 1 at the end of the year?

Only the year-ending ranking goes to history books.

But I personally think that whoever wins the WTA Championships becomes the World Champion.
That what "Championships" really should mean.
That is the number one player of the year, if you like.
The WTA Champion of 2006.
The World Champion of 2006.

But the race points are not important, they are important only to qualify for the WTA Championships, otherwise, why have the Championships at all.

Rankings are based on ths results in the last 12 months

The race is the amount of points gained in the current year, so at the end of the year the race would be equivalent of the rankings.

markspot
Oct 13th, 2006, 10:52 PM
Rankings are based on ths results in the last 12 months

The race is the amount of points gained in the current year, so at the end of the year the race would be equivalent of the rankings.

No it will not
Rankings count 17 tournaments only (it is going back to 13), players with more than 17 tournaments during the year will have more race points than ranking points.
Of course, neither Justine nor Masha will have more than 17 tournaments,
but still it is not true for everybody. The year-ending ranking counts, whatever it is, it is.

In addition to that, the YE Championships itself gives ranking points, and a lot of them, between GS and Tear 1, but no race points.
And these points count for the current year-ending ranking.

I think there was some talk about removing ranking points from YEC,
but not sure if it will be done.
Perhaps these are only my ideas about increasing the status of YEC:

1. Stop calling it WTA Year Ending Championships,
call it just WTA Championships
2. Remove all ranking points
3. Increase the prize money to 10 million
4. Give the World Champion's crown to wear to the winner on the outfit, on the cap, on the visor, on everything for the whole year until the next year's Championships ends
5. Perhaps also seed the Champion as #1 seed in all the tournaments for the next year, just like in formula one, the champion team gets the 1st slot in the pits.

markspot
Oct 14th, 2006, 05:20 PM
I captured from the internet stream the SF that could have been Masha, that's why I captured it, Chakvetadze-Dementieva, and it turned out to be quite a match.
Uploaded to RapidShare, posted links to Chakvetadze and Dementieva forums,
I captured that match in the first place because Masha should have been playing it,
and Eurosport did not show it.

johnoo
Oct 14th, 2006, 05:35 PM
I captured from the internet stream the SF that could have been Masha, that's why I captured it, Chakvetadze-Dementieva, and it turned out to be quite a match.
Uploaded to RapidShare, posted links to Chakvetadze and Dementieva forums,
I captured that match in the first place because Masha should have been playing it,
and Eurosport did not show it.
well the links to the webcam were all over this site so any clued up fan would have watched it anyway,pity they kept the bitrate so low,it may be on ES2 at 9pm uk time,if not well I don't think it will ever be shown.

markspot
Oct 14th, 2006, 05:46 PM
well the links to the webcam were all over this site so any clued up fan would have watched it anyway,pity they kept the bitrate so low,it may be on ES2 at 9pm uk time,if not well I don't think it will ever be shown.

250 kbps
yes, I think we had about 1 megabit live from Wimbledon and 2 megabits on-demand files, if I'm not mistaken

Andy.
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:03 PM
I really hope this is nothing serious. Get well soon Masha.

Sharapovafan4eva
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:11 PM
I hope she gets better soon.

Dan23
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:27 PM
Chaky went on and won it...could have been the same for Maria :(

Lillibet
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:29 PM
Chaky went on and won it...could have been the same for Maria :(

Better her than Petrova though! ...sorry to any Petrova fans!

Dan23
Oct 15th, 2006, 12:37 PM
nah dont get me wrong im happy Chaky won :cool:
It was just set up for Maria to do the same if she didnt have to pull out...life goes on though ;)

Doc
Oct 15th, 2006, 01:29 PM
nah dont get me wrong im happy Chaky won :cool:
It was just set up for Maria to do the same if she didnt have to pull out...life goes on though ;)

Yes, Maria beat Chakkers last year, while suffering from her shoulder injury. No doubt Chakkers has improved but this would have been a great chance for Maria.

Hopr she gets well soon. :wavey:

johnoo
Oct 15th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Yes, Maria beat Chakkers last year, while suffering from her shoulder injury. No doubt Chakkers has improved but this would have been a great chance for Maria.

Hopr she gets well soon. :wavey:
maybe maria would have won but its really a horrible surface for tennis and don't suit her,I'm glad maria did not risk playing more and if it was not moscow she prob would not have turned up,time to rip that carpet up I think.

Doc
Oct 15th, 2006, 01:45 PM
maybe maria would have won but its really a horrible surface for tennis and don't suit her,I'm glad maria did not risk playing more and if it was not moscow she prob would not have turned up,time to rip that carpet up I think.

I agree. Why do they have to use such :tape: surfaces?

Dan23
Oct 15th, 2006, 01:53 PM
Are they obliged to use some weird form of carpet for these indoor tournaments??

A good old concrete floor would suit us just fine :p

lakan kildap
Oct 16th, 2006, 01:46 AM
I agree. Why do they have to use such :tape: surfaces?

You can always justify why any one surface should be or should not be used. Time and changing perspectives do that. In fact, some are questioning now why Wimbledon is still being played on grass, which much be horrifying to the guardians of the tournament, who recall the days when most tennis matches were played on grass.

To me, all these surfaces are necessary in order to give players the versatility that elevates them to greatness. Weren't we hard on Thomas Muster (in the 90's) and all those Spaniards and Latin Americans for winning only on clay? Just a few weeks ago, we were all praising Agassi for winning his majors on "all surfaces."

These challenges should be welcomed. If I can have my way, there should also be tournaments on hardwood (just like in inner city gyms in the States, where the basketball court also serves as volleyball and tennis court). That would be a really fast surface, because wood kicks back.

If Maria finds a surface too dangerous for her, she can always skip it.

lakan kildap
Oct 16th, 2006, 05:02 AM
In the russian forum you can hear what she herself has to say (it is in russian):
http://www.sharapova.ru/media/otkaz.mp3

one of the earliest descriptions of Maria was, just like Monica Seles, she spoke as if trying to cram in all her thoughts in one sentence. After listening to her speak Russian, I know why.

johnoo
Oct 16th, 2006, 03:34 PM
In fact, some are questioning now why Wimbledon is still being played on grass, which much be horrifying to the guardians of the tournament, who recall the days when most tennis matches were played on grass.

some are questioning why there are not more grass toournaments,grass today is high tech,they can maintain it now for 2 weeks no problem plus you get less injuries on grass which is the thing that is causing the most problems with the tour.

markspot
Oct 17th, 2006, 01:12 PM
one of the earliest descriptions of Maria was, just like Monica Seles, she spoke as if trying to cram in all her thoughts in one sentence. After listening to her speak Russian, I know why.

I think in that interview in Moscow the questions were cut out, it is not continuous speach in real time

markspot
Oct 17th, 2006, 01:23 PM
some are questioning why there are not more grass toournaments,grass today is high tech,they can maintain it now for 2 weeks no problem plus you get less injuries on grass which is the thing that is causing the most problems with the tour.

And you can play Boris Becker style!

But I think that the grass is nowhere to be seen even on the Centre Court well before the end of the two weeks, especially around the base line.
And how often the grass courts are used at Wimbledon not during the Championships? Some better-than-real artificial grass could be developed to have all the advantages of real grass and to be much more practical,
and to handle rain like clay, perhaps just a mesh with clay benief

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 17th, 2006, 02:03 PM
I think in that interview in Moscow the questions were cut out, it is not continuous speach in real time
You are quite right :) !

johnoo
Oct 17th, 2006, 03:38 PM
And you can play Boris Becker style!

But I think that the grass is nowhere to be seen even on the Centre Court well before the end of the two weeks, especially around the base line.
And how often the grass courts are used at Wimbledon not during the Championships? Some better-than-real artificial grass could be developed to have all the advantages of real grass and to be much more practical,
and to handle rain like clay, perhaps just a mesh with clay benief
hmmm is that why artificial grass bombed out in the english leagues when it was tryed at luton anf QPR,you must not have seen the grass pitches in the premiership they have football played week after week in the winter yet are still almost perfect come next may,grass has changed soils have changed,grass is the best surface for most sports.

lakan kildap
Oct 18th, 2006, 01:34 AM
hmmm is that why artificial grass bombed out in the english leagues when it was tryed at luton anf QPR,you must not have seen the grass pitches in the premiership they have football played week after week in the winter yet are still almost perfect come next may,grass has changed soils have changed,grass is the best surface for most sports.

I have to agree. One of the reasons they're phasing out artificial 'turf' in American baseball and even NFL is that it's believed to cause injuries.

bellascarlett
Oct 18th, 2006, 01:41 AM
Is it just me or is Maria's Russian (her accent in particular) getting better? I don't speak Russian obviously but her American accent seems less distinguishable.

Andy.
Oct 18th, 2006, 01:46 AM
Maybe she is really just trying harder while she was in Moscow.

Dan23
Oct 18th, 2006, 01:57 AM
Maria always spoke Russian maybe its because we've been hearing a lot more of it lately??....I dont know if Maria's accent could ever be called American. Ive got the is video of an interview of Maria when she was like 10 (which ive been trying to find a way to get uploaded) and she sounded much the same then.

bellascarlett
Oct 18th, 2006, 03:34 AM
I dunno for some reason she sounded much better in the last interview posted. maybe the surroundings have some part in it. because in her russian interviews this year (for example those in indian wells) you really could tell she has a different accent when speaking it as opposed to say elena or myskina. in the last interview, the difference wasnt that huge.

you know, i really dont get why some are saying maria doesnt have an american accent. coz she does. for the most part she does. at least that's what i think...the intonation, the pronunciation...so american. why wouldnt she? she's lived here more than half her life. i've been based in the states since i was 17 and people can't tell that i'm not originally from here. at least for the most part. :lol: point is, i was able to adjust. but i can still speak english with my manila accent if i wanted to. but when speaking to people here,my accent changes automatically.

WIMBLY2004
Oct 18th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Maria always spoke Russian maybe its because we've been hearing a lot more of it lately??....I dont know if Maria's accent could ever be called American. Ive got the is video of an interview of Maria when she was like 10 (which ive been trying to find a way to get uploaded) and she sounded much the same then.

I don't think that's American accent, it's more likely to be the Siberian accent.

lakan kildap
Oct 18th, 2006, 03:58 AM
I really don't know Russian accents, and as for the American accent, "which American accent?" I can't even reliably tell you what an English accent is anymore, I have a hard time understanding Beckham and Rooney and Sir Alex Ferguson. (wait, is Sir Alex English? My apologies if he's not. I have this feeling now that he isn't.)

Russia is big enough (so big that if you take it out of Asia, Africa would become the biggest continent) and multi-ethnic enough that there are going to be variations in accent. Plus, not only is Maria not from Moscow, where Dementieva comes from, but Maria's family line originates from Belarus, too.

Does Maria have an American accent? I don't think so, but then, like I said above, which American accent? New Yorkers sound different from Californians, and we're just talking about 'natives', not counting the immigrants.

Dan23
Oct 18th, 2006, 05:00 AM
I dunno for some reason she sounded much better in the last interview posted. maybe the surroundings have some part in it. because in her russian interviews this year (for example those in indian wells) you really could tell she has a different accent when speaking it as opposed to say elena or myskina. in the last interview, the difference wasnt that huge.

you know, i really dont get why some are saying maria doesnt have an american accent. coz she does. for the most part she does. at least that's what i think...the intonation, the pronunciation...so american. why wouldnt she? she's lived here more than half her life. i've been based in the states since i was 17 and people can't tell that i'm not originally from here. at least for the most part. :lol: point is, i was able to adjust. but i can still speak english with my manila accent if i wanted to. but when speaking to people here,my accent changes automatically.
Compare how Maria sounds to maybe Davenport...completely unique. Somewhere in between really.

markspot
Oct 18th, 2006, 05:08 AM
I don't think that's American accent, it's more likely to be the Siberian accent.

Siberian accent?
She has nothing to do with Siberia, nor have her parents.
They moved there, lived there for less than three years, and then moved out.
Gomel -> Siberia -> Sochi.
That's it.

Masha certainly has an american accent, but a rather slight one,
occasionally her L is too hard, too American, where a softer L is needed, or sh is too soft, some less than perfect -t'sia endings perhaps, etc, some slight foreign accent, too literally sounding, I cannot even describe it, but it is rather slight,
and also sometimes she makes mistakes with words, like composing wrong non-existant verb forms ("pobezhdit" comes to mind)
But at the same time she also has some unmistakable russian accent as well (when speaking russian), it is almost impossible to do for foreigners,
some subtle things, like slight rounding of O, or very slight Dz, Ts in some words, some russian-specific intonations, etc. She has some of that native-russian charming sound as well.
But when speaking in English she has no foreign accent at all that I could hear, and certainly no hard (and harsh) sounding russian accent

TaliaSecondServe
Oct 18th, 2006, 10:56 AM
Apart from American accent, she has a non-Moscow Russian accent too... That's why she sounds different from Myskina and Dementieva. It's difficul to say Siberia or Sochi.. But there is. That's for sure...
To tell the truth, in my opinion, her accent is not that strong, she sounds rather good, but the vocablurary and sentence constructions are far from perfect...

WIMBLY2004
Oct 18th, 2006, 11:43 PM
Apart from American accent, she has a non-Moscow Russian accent too... That's why she sounds different from Myskina and Dementieva. It's difficul to say Siberia or Sochi.. But there is. That's for sure...


That's what I meant, Russian is such a large country, the accent in Moscow must be different from the one in Sochi or Siberia, when people say Maria sounds different from Myskina, my first reaction is that's because they were from different part of the country, their accents are bound to sound different.

bellascarlett
Oct 19th, 2006, 01:39 AM
Compare how Maria sounds to maybe Davenport...completely unique. Somewhere in between really.

Well Davenport does not equal the whole United States. You could pick 10 Americans from a population randomly and they wouldn't all sound the same. There are several accents here while all still being American. And Maria's, whether it's a florida one or a mixture of influences since she would stay in california at times when she was younger and because of the general travelling all over, sounds american to me.


But when speaking in English she has no foreign accent at all that I could hear, and certainly no hard (and harsh) sounding russian accent

i find it weird but i noticed that a good number of the ones saying maria has no american accent arent from the states. :shrug:

markspot
Oct 19th, 2006, 11:08 AM
i find it weird but i noticed that a good number of the ones saying maria has no american accent arent from the states. :shrug:

So you can actually hear a foreign accent in her speach?
I can tell different american accents, at least more pronounced ones,
but she sounds rather native and neutral to me, I mean - californian :)
I think I can recognize a russian accent in american english, because it really sounds harsh and less than pleasant.
I mean, to me soft-sounding foreign accents in english are pleasant and hot,
but hard-sounding ones are not so much

bellascarlett
Oct 19th, 2006, 05:09 PM
So you can actually hear a foreign accent in her speach?
I can tell different american accents, at least more pronounced ones,
but she sounds rather native and neutral to me, I mean - californian :)
I think I can recognize a russian accent in american english, because it really sounds harsh and less than pleasant.
I mean, to me soft-sounding foreign accents in english are pleasant and hot,
but hard-sounding ones are not so much
nope. ive always said she sounds american.

~lollipop_girl~
Oct 23rd, 2006, 04:02 AM
Haha.... except you might enjoy the gym trip a little too much! :p
What's going on here you two? :hehehe: :p