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bee
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:11 PM
Did he choked??
Did the occasion overwhelmed him??
Everybody had their money on him.....running away with the French....

The TV announcers kept on saying during the first two sets that he might be injured.. Because they could not just believed that Costa is winning.... :( :D :p :p and later on...they keep on saying that Costa is getting tense... and in trouble...

Or did the rain delay affected him???

Whatever.. he blew his chance...
:D :D :D :D

Serena y Monica
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:44 PM
No, he and Costa are really brothers and he threw the match. I mean how could someone who played as well as he did all week lose to a known choker?

Beige
Jun 10th, 2002, 03:00 PM
Originally posted by VivalaSeles
Ferrero wasn't playing at his best.
Costa was playing wonderful tennis.
Obvious conclusion: Costa won.
For those who do not remember, Albert Costa was the only man who defeated Thomus Muster on clay in his golden clay season: when Muster won Monte Carlo, Hamburg, Rome, Roland Garros, Estoril etc, etc ....

Glad you noted that, VLS! :D I was confident that Albert had a chance at the title based on that knowledge. Ferrero just couldn't snap out of it and paid the price. The jury's out on whether it'll scar his career or not.

CONGRATS ALBERTO!

Infiniti2001
Jun 10th, 2002, 03:14 PM
He thought that beating Agassi and Safin was enough, so he fizzled in the final:P

Experimentee
Jun 10th, 2002, 03:18 PM
He did look a bit injured, i thought he wasnt running for the wide angle balls as well as he could have. I heard there were concerns about a slight abdominal strain. But full credit to costa who played well and kept up a good standard all through the match

selesfan
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:34 PM
I wish he didn't mention his injury, it didn't seem to bother him when he was winning. I believe Albert was the better player, he has really steped up his game this year.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 01:55 AM
ANyone who knows a bloody thing about Ferrero would know that he wasn't moving very well for at least half that match.

He usually covers the court amazingly, but he could hardly run down a drop shot.

He also was serving like crap for a while.

it could have been nerves, and it was certaintly made to look worse by Costa's great play.

But if Ferrero and Costa are both playing well, it wouldn't be a push over match for either guy.

Why would it scar his carreer? Agassi lost his first three slam finals, and was the favourite in ALL of them. He got his ASS kicked by a younger American, and seems to be doign alright for himself.
You'd think that Ferrero had never even won a big match before the way that people are talking.

From someone who has actually bothered to read his interviews, he is taking it quite well - at least for the media anyhow. He gave Costa full credit, and said the injuries likely wouldn't have mattered much. He said he looks forward to the future where he can play mroe finals and get to show his best tennis.

But I'm glad to know that his losing brings so much joy to some of your lives. Something has to.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:13 AM
I should maybe take a pill.

I get very emotional over this topic :p

Its just that I think he's the greatest thing in the world ;) so it baffles me when people don't agree :p

:D

Serena y Monica
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:14 AM
You sure he didn't lay down for his fellow spaniard. I mean it was all fixed...first Alex with the early wedding gift....totally fake!

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:15 AM
Serena y Monica - Ferrero wouldn't do that :) he wants it too much.

If they were brothers though, like Wertheim said - people would have automotically said "the fix is on!"

Serena y Monica
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:28 AM
Mac implied that the fix was on...just between Alex and Alberto. He and Ferrero are friends too so...?

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 02:44 AM
He implied that Alex and Costa had a fix? teehee

I'm not sure Costa and Ferrero are as buddy buddy as the other two..

That and like I said, Ferrero wants it to bad to throw the match, IMO.

selesfan
Jun 11th, 2002, 04:20 AM
Ferrero is friendly with Alex and Albert but he is not a close friend. He would definitely not fix the match. Is it hard to believe that Albert was just the better player, he did beat Alex and Guga and he has also beat JCF before.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 05:35 AM
selesfan - I think a lot of people feel that at their respective bests, that Ferrero is the better player.

I agree with that.

However on that day Costa was better. But to say that Ferrero was playing even half decent for the first half the match, is to deny what he is capable of.

Gonzo Hates Me!
Jun 11th, 2002, 06:10 AM
Selesfan, thankyou!!! I've never seen such bitterness! Ferrero lost 'cause he couldn't compete. That is all! No offense Juanqui fans, but many of the Juanca fans have been selfish, here is a 21 year old--never did worse than a semifinal at Roland Garros. And Albert Costa, who in his intire existence, hasn't had the success that JC has already had at his green age, and the Mosquito fans can't congragulate Albert and realize that obviously, JC will be back and it's not the end. To expect so much!!!.... Not everyone can be Lleyton and Marat their first time around. Juanqui will be back, Albert played better, give the man a hand and get some sleep

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 06:32 AM
Mrs Guga - I think that I did congratulate Costa :p
Yesterday was an awful day for me, and I wasn't thrilled, but I'm sure I congratulated him. Had i had a better day, I'd have been a lot more mature about it :o


In fact I quite like Costa, and have since last summer.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 06:35 AM
btw - he is 22 not 21 ;)

servenrichie
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:12 AM
It was Richard Williams, he has done it again.

Seriously, i felt quite bad for Ferrero, he was my favourite for the title after Guga. He wanted it so much, played like a maniac even in the face of injuries to get to the final, at the last mile, the tank became empty to get the trophy. My heart breaks for him.
I still have a hard time believing that Journey man Costa has won a grandslam. Wonders shall never cease to exist! Never give up i always say

selesfan
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:32 AM
I wouldn't say that Costa is a journeyman on clay. I think JCF will be back again next year but I must admit he is not one of my favs of the Spaniards. Maybe I will warm up to him some day but I don't think he is as nice as the other guys. He didn't like it when the press told him that Marat lost because of his mind so I really didn't appreciate it when he started talking about his injuies. I don't think Carlos or Alex would have done that. Anyway good luck to Juan Carlos, I'm sure he will win the FO many times.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:43 AM
"Maybe I will warm up to him some day but I don't think he is as nice as the other guys. He didn't like it when the press told him that Marat lost because of his mind so I really didn't appreciate it when he started talking about his injuies."

Your entitled to your opinion of course, and I'm certaintly not going to think that I will change it, but I do have a comment or two :) (don't I always?).

He didn't like it when the press went on about Marat's brain not being with it, because he doesn't like it when the press tries to dig for stuff and cause problems. What was he supposed to say "yeah Marat is a total head case. Lucky for me though, cause otherwise he'd have beaten me senseless".

All he said was:
"Q. When Marat is good, as he was at the 2000 US Open, he can be very, very good. But sometimes his mind starts to wander during matches. Was this one of those days where he just didn't have his brain fully functioning?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I don't want to think this, you know. I want to think I play so great and I won the match for this, not for he lost his mind.

Q. (Inaudible)?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Could be, could be. Who knows. For sure he knows better than us. "


Now forgive his english - which may not be 100%, but its still much better than most English speakers can speak Spanish ;)
I interpreted this as, he didn't want to dwell on Marat. He wanted to beleive that he had a hand in what happened in the match as well - not that it was all up to Marat. He also didn't go into too much detail, or get baited, as he could have.
Not sure what the next question was, but he seems to have given a good answer to "inaudible" ;)


Furthermore, he didn't really go on and on about his injuries.

"Q. This was bad day for you, but how do you account for this? Was it only physical? How did you start the match in the first place?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I don't think I can really explain things today. I can't really find the reasons why I didn't play well today. When I played Agassi, I played very well. I played, in fact, four matches at the same level. I practiced very well all the other days. I also had those injury problems these other days, but I could play very well. Whereas today I was not able to play well. At some point in the match, I couldn't get my confidence back. I was both physically and mentally bad.

Q. What were those physical problems you had?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Well, my ankle problems, first of all, led to other sorts of problems in (abductors/adductors?). I also had some abdominal pain. With Angel, just about every day we tried to improve the situation as much as we could. It did improve, but physically I was not really in top shape as I'm used to being.

Q. The final is the most important day of the tournament, and you realize that you can't play your best tennis, what do you feel?
"

They asked, and he was simply being honest. He wasn't moving well, or serving well, and something was obviously not 100%. It was also mental as well, which he pointed out.

Furthermore I'd like to point out where he gave Costa praise:

"Q. Costa was celebrating his victory after the end of the match. What went through your head at that time?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: Well, at those points, you usually don't feel very comfortable. I saw him raising the trophy, and of course I didn't feel very well at the time. But he is a very good clay court player, and he had never been beyond a quarterfinal in a Grand Slam tournament. He deserved his victory. Of course, I was sad at that particular time, but I didn't really think about everything. I was not saying to myself that I am so bad, no this should not have happened. No, I was not thinking that. You know, you just have those moments when you just don't think about anything actually. "


"Q. During the two sets, he played in an extraordinary way. You managed to reverse the situation in the third set. Is this due to Albert? Do you think Albert deserves the victory?

JUAN CARLOS FERRERO: I believe that Albert really deserved winning because he played a great match. He played very solid and I played very badly in the first two sets. And then I lost confidence and courage when I was already down two sets. I lost my confidence. I didn't play well. I was not making things hard for him because I was making unforced errors all the time, and I think I couldn't win today. "


SO despite what some people may think, he did credit his opponent, and he always does.

He may not seem as "nice" as the other guys - but he's very shy, and not as outgoing or candid as some of them.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:49 AM
"Seriously, i felt quite bad for Ferrero, he was my favourite for the title after Guga. He wanted it so much, played like a maniac even in the face of injuries to get to the final, at the last mile, the tank became empty to get the trophy. My heart breaks for him. "

Servenrichie - this echoes how I felt when I first found out :sad:

But at the end of the day, he's young, rich, and talented (among other things), and I'm sure he'll move on and learn from it.

Costa earned it, and has always been a clay threat, who just underachieved on the big occasion.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:50 AM
oh dear I didnt realize that that one post in here was so bloody long :o

Appologies to anyone who read it all :p Most of it was Ferrero's intervewi clips anyhow.

Beige
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:56 AM
Originally posted by Rebecca
I should maybe take a pill.

I get very emotional over this topic :p

Its just that I think he's the greatest thing in the world ;) so it baffles me when people don't agree :p

:D

Yeah, Becca, if JC was ugly you wouldn't be exerting so much energy. :p

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 11:59 AM
Begie - :kiss: so happy to be sharing words with you again :kiss:

If I thought he was ugly, I would never have made note of him when I did perhaps. To this I admit.

But if I thought he was a pompous ass I wouldn't support him.

There are many ATP players who are good looking, who I dont support.

Safin is a great example. He's is more eye pleasing than Ferrero in some ways, but I dont like his character as much.

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:01 PM
If the case was simply that I was shallow, I would also support Safin( as I mentioned), Mark P (who I do actually support), Rafter when he played (who's game I loved, but I didnt really root for), Haas (whose game I like, but I dont root for) and a number of others.

:kiss:

Volcana
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:04 PM
After Costa won 12 of the first 13 games, the announcer SAID "if they were brothers instead of friends, we'd be saying the fix was in."

When Suarez gave Fernandez a set point (correctly), it was impossible not to think what would happen if Venus did that for Serena.

'Fix' is easy to say. Say it enough, and you get a crowd that reacts like Indian Wells in 2001. I wonder how the ATP would handle a crowd like that?

tennischick
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:28 PM
interesting speculation Volcana but if there was a fix on, i'd quicker believe it of the Correjta-Costa match than Ferrero-Costa. but in this case i don't believe there was a fix at all -- or at least there was no need for one bec Costa has been having an awesome clay season. check his stats. he went into this match 2-2 against Ferrero and beat him decisively in their most recent meeting in Hamburg. also, he peaked at the right time -- which is what you're supposed to do -- and brought home the trophy. a factor in Costa's improvement is his hiring a psychologist to help him get over his tendency to choke on big points. also Ferrero was so disappointed afterwards it was palpable. sure he crossed the net to hug Albert but boy did he want that hug over with fast! it was the most graceless hug i've seen in a while.

as for Ferrero, i have long criticised hjim for his tendency to start off a tourny zinging shots like a madman, only to slowly wane as the tourny goes along. having faced Agassi especially and then Safin on his way to the finals, i for one was not surprised that he had nothing left by the time he got to the finals. Ferrero IMO has a problem of endurance. this is one of the reasons why i expected him to do better on hardcourts where some of his powerful forehands will not come back and he has a better chance of simply playing fewer points. unfortunately we never got a chance to find out as he promptly became injured. now he battles injury constantly. however! during the match on Sunday, Bud Collins interviewed his coach and asked him what the heck was going on and Bud reported that the coach said that Ferrero was not injured and then rolled his eyes.

as for Suarez-Fernandez, i think it's fairer to say that they battled for three sets and then Suarez just gave up. she ran out of steam. i don't think she rolled over for her countrywoman.

as for Venus-Serena, i think it was more of a lack of effort on Venus' part -- but we saw this thruout the tourny. it was most evident in the Fernandez match. Venus wins inspite of herself but lately she has been playing tennis as if she is utterly bored with it. which is also what she says in her interviews (that if she had to play tennis all the time she would get bored).

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 09:10 PM
"during the match on Sunday, Bud Collins interviewed his coach and asked him what the heck was going on and Bud reported that the coach said that Ferrero was not injured and then rolled his eyes. "

Bud interviewed Ferrero's coach, and he said that Ferrero wasn't injured? Or Bud just talked out his ass, and rolled his own \eyes?

Crazy Canuck
Jun 11th, 2002, 09:12 PM
tennischick - you even have to critisize his after match hugs? :p

tennischick
Jun 12th, 2002, 12:22 AM
seriously Bud went and spoke to his coach after he lost (or while he was losing) the second set and came back and gave that live camera report. he said that the coach said that he had no idea what was wrong with Ferrero and that the coach said that Ferrero was not injured and then the coach rolled his eyes. i was stunned not only that the coach would roll his eyes but also that Bud would tell the world.

i have the hug on tape. honestly his body-language was like, "let's get this flipping thing over with". he seemed so disgusted with himself. i know you would have loved to hug him and make it better...:p :p

Crazy Canuck
Jun 12th, 2002, 07:25 AM
Thanks tennischick - I wonder what that is all about :confused:

I beleive you on the hug bit btw :p I just thought that it was pretty funny. Can you really blame him though ;) I mean he just lost in the tourney he'd wanted since he was a kid, after playing like utter crap for half the match (though it might not have mattered - Costa was so good) - I wouldn't have even wanted to hug my opponent :p

I'd want to kick them :D ;)