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babsi
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:48 AM
What type of player is Kim?

I read that people are labelling her as finesse, but I have seen her many times and I just can't see, yes, she has a good drop-shot but then so do many players, I see her 2 big strengths as her speed and her power, and I don't see the finesse at all. I am just wondering how people have come to that conclusion.

angele87
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:53 AM
A Kim thread :D

Well she's not as powerful as the Williams sisters but not as much finesse as Justine... I would say that she is a bit of finesse but more of power... I think she has found a good combination though :)

Volcana
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:55 AM
Power. Her game is built on two things. Running fast and hitting hard. Serena used twice as many non-power shots agains Jenn in the semis as we usually see from Kim in a match. Kim isn't a finesse player any more than Lindsay or Monica or Jelena.

Come-on-kim
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:29 PM
I think she has a good combination of finesse and power!!!

KIM'S RULES

Lleyki
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:32 PM
I totally agree with Come-on-kim ;)

E. Blackadder
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:49 PM
In my opinion if she just improves her serve just a little bit, Kim is the new Lindsay Davenport.

DarkCore
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:51 PM
Actually, I disagree with Volcana on this one. Yes, Kim does rely on her power to finish off points. But, much like the Seles of the early 90s, she employs angles on a more regular basis than the other top power players. Whereas Henin seems to be an updated version of Sabatini, Kim is the 21st century version of MJ Fernandez--she uses pretty angles and measures the ball extremely well, while keeping her UEs to a minimum.

Beige
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by babsi
What type of player is Kim?

I read that people are labelling her as finesse, but I have seen her many times and I just can't see, yes, she has a good drop-shot but then so do many players, I see her 2 big strengths as her speed and her power, and I don't see the finesse at all. I am just wondering how people have come to that conclusion.

Babsi, in the Roland Garros forum, Hagar tried to state that Kim was different in playing style from the Williams sisters but actually she has more in common (power and speed) with Venus & Serena than Justine. Kim has always been a power player, regardless of the surface. Oh these reason they're trying to lump Kim in the "finesse" group is because they do not want her in the same category with the Williamses which she no doubt is. :D

KaseyL
Jun 10th, 2002, 04:56 PM
Lleyki and come-on-kim: second that! Power AND finesse. And agree with Volcana when it comes to the hitting and the leg work.

However, I'd like to add that her daring, risky play (especially shot selection) is also some Kim trademark. These shot decisions might cause fans some heart attacks from time to time, but it's part of her game.

-Fienesse-
Jun 10th, 2002, 05:15 PM
Originally posted by KaseyL
Lleyki and come-on-kim: second that! Power AND finesse. And agree with Volcana when it comes to the hitting and the leg work.

However, I'd like to add that her daring, risky play (especially shot selection) is also some Kim trademark. These shot decisions might cause fans some heart attacks from time to time, but it's part of her game.

Very true!!! And that's one of the things I like on Kim her game...Amways that tension! Sometimes a very good risky shot and sometimes not that good...That's my Kim! ;)

Monica_Rules
Jun 10th, 2002, 05:17 PM
I think cos she doesn't hit the ball as hard as some others she isn't seen as a power player but i think she is

She has some variation but not ae much as justine or martina

Volcana
Jun 10th, 2002, 05:45 PM
DarkCore - Look at her backswing, she pulls waaaay back on both sides and slams away. When she's slamming away I mean. Kim HAS nice touch, and other shots, but she's basically ... well you have to reverse it.

Monica Seles is the prototype power player.

Lindsay, Jenn, Mary, Amelie, Venus, Serena, Jelena, and Kim are all variations on a theme. Monica is the theme.

You COULD put Justine in this group. Her touch is so good though, you really can't count her in this group. Her power is the basis of her game, but she employs other shots a higher percentage of the time than the others mentioned. She's almost a merger of Monica and Martina. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't really call a player with no GS titles a merger of Martina and Monica, but echoes of, anyway.

gokimmie
Jun 10th, 2002, 06:19 PM
power ,finesse,great shotselection,and when she's got her game face on,a great mental strength...we missed it a bit at rg ,but we'll see it at wimbledon!!!!!!!!!!!

Sean
Jun 10th, 2002, 06:37 PM
Power..just not quite enough of it.

She has finese too but not like Juju or Martina

propi
Jun 10th, 2002, 07:17 PM
For me it's a power player

RockSteady
Jun 10th, 2002, 09:39 PM
You NOTICE the Williams sisters power because of their serve. You NOTICE Seles' and Capriati's power because of their flat strokes. But Clijsters doesn't have a huge serve or flat groundies, so people find it hard to classify her. Really, she is a power player who moves out of the "one-dimensional" phase brought about by Seles, and perfected by Lindsay, Venus, and Serena. Essentially, few hit it harder than Kim, but Kim hits a lot of crosscourt, topspin heavy shots which don't appear to zoom as fast as a flat, down the line shot, but still, it is every bit as hard. Unlike the others, who hit it hard from all positions, Kim chooses to slice or dropshot or lob when she is out of position. It just means she has more varied shot selection, not that she is weaker.

So basically, Kim hits it as hard as everyone, but just mixes up her shots so much and uses so much spin that some get the illusion that she is a finesse player. But her absurd amount of winners and errors explain the truth.

DEETHELICK
Jun 10th, 2002, 10:13 PM
Kim looks like she hits heavy balls.

I do notice that she can mix it up, but she does that more against the 'lesser' ranked players.

Against the power players, she doesn't really use that much variety and tries to match them shot for shot.

Kim is a strong girl and could potentially develop her power even more, she just needs to hit it flat sometimes.

When I think of Kim though, I think of secondary power a la Jelena, Elena D, Justine, Hantuchova.

Monica@53
Jun 10th, 2002, 10:14 PM
So in a way, maybe she is in a different power category with Mauresmo and Henin, although I still think that these two are very different power players. Their games are based on power and variety. Whereas I think Clijsters' game is based primarily on power and variety is secondary but moreso than what other power players incorporate into their games. I dunno...

Berlin_Calling
Jun 10th, 2002, 10:17 PM
Originally posted by DarkCore
while keeping her UEs to a minimum.

Haha, thats a good one DarkCore!:p :D

-Sonic-
Jun 10th, 2002, 11:09 PM
IMO I see her as a power player, but very controlled power.... instead of going flat out non stop, she hits it in the right place, as hard as she can hit it in that location without hitting it out. Its difficult to explain when you're as stupid as i am

Lisbeth
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:44 AM
Both.

And I also think it's an arbitrary distinction - some of the top "power" players are also good at finess shots even if its the power that gives them the edge.

Serena y Monica
Jun 11th, 2002, 12:59 AM
I have to agree with you Sonic as Kim always has high error rate...well of coarse high is relative but still high...but then again so do most female players regardless of finesse or power.