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Toineefa
Jun 9th, 2002, 01:47 PM
I'm so fed up with hearing how Marti hasn't won a Slam in over three years but I realised that Monica hasn't won a Slam in over six years and no one ever criticises Monica for it. :rolleyes:

Jordan.
Jun 9th, 2002, 01:49 PM
exactly what i was thinking....:rolleyes:

Jordan.
Jun 9th, 2002, 01:50 PM
i think people expect more out of martina though,they know she still has the game to win majors,but hasnt in 3 years,thats why they always label her as "she hasnt won a slam in 3 years"...:rolleyes:

irma
Jun 9th, 2002, 01:58 PM
Because people who like to bash Monica rather say she is fat:(

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:24 PM
I think the Hingis bashing about that was because she was number one for much of that time and had not won a slam...No one expects her to now for sure...

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:27 PM
I think it had to do w/her being #1 as well.

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:37 PM
Monica is exempt from criticism. That's a priviledge only the few get.

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:46 PM
It's simple.

REASON 1: It's because Martina is still at her peak, she's still in her early 20's and yet she can't win slams anymore, while Monica is very late in her career so technically her peak is over a long time ago.

REASON 2: With everything that Monica has gone through like the stabbing and the mental effects it had, the fact that she was never the same player as before, the fact that she lost her father/coach, the fact that she's had injuries almost every year, it's easier to understand why she hasn't won a slam.

REASON 3: Because Martina was no.1 for about 2 years without winning a slam, so that made it even more open to criticism.

BrianII
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:00 PM
When monica was no1............. thats exactly what she did do win slams.

Ryan
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:03 PM
Toineefa, all the reasons listed above. Why make pointless threads like this? Martina was #1 all of 2000 and most of 2001 without winning a slam, I'm not saying she should be criticised, but Monica hsouldn't be either.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:15 PM
No player should be criticised for not winning Grand Slams, as long as he/she is trying her best.

However, it should be allowed to use these facts for predictions, e. g. that the player who hasn't won a slam for over 6 years won't win another slam, and without getting bashed for it.

Zamboni
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:45 PM
I think it would be pretty stupid to "bash" Monica for it :rolleyes: , for reason 1 and 2 selesrules stated (mostly reason 2).

disposablehero
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Toineefa
I'm so fed up with hearing how Marti hasn't won a Slam in over three years but I realised that Monica hasn't won a Slam in over six years and no one ever criticises Monica for it. :rolleyes:

Uh, what message boards have you been visiting?

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:05 PM
But at the same time, Selestials should stop trying to throw Monica's name in the mix for every slam...sorry, mho, she is done slam wise...nothing more is expected of her therefore no criticism...

anastasjoy
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:15 PM
Why isn't Monica criticized? Simple. When did SHE go nearly three years ranked #1 without winning a Slam? THAT is what people are criticizing, not just the fact that Martina didn't win one. I don't see Sandrine or Amelie or Jelena criticized for not winning Slams either- for the same reason. They're not expected to. Of COURSE, you expect more from a #1 player. Duh! A #1 player is supposed to be the best one out there and be able to beat the entire field to take the big titles.

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:17 PM
You can't say that Seles won't win a slam. She's been in the top 5 for most of the last 6 years and she's beaten everybody. She has a shot. Look at Novotna, everyone said it was over but she won her first grandslam at age 29 or 30. Look at Capriati, everyone said it was over and yet she started winning about 10 years after she turned pro. Seles has a shot, sure she's not the "favourite" but she's a threat and could win one. Look at the Australien Open this year, she lost a close 3 set match semis against Hingis, she was so close to a grandslam final and could've met Capriati whom she's had success against. You can never count Monica out, she's right now at no.4 and I expect her to have an excellent showing at Wimbledon.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:22 PM
Can't win a slam.... Hmmm,.... SF in Oz...QF in Paris... Yep those are dreadful results. If she believes that she cannot be competitive, than I'm sure she'll hang it up. However, she is still playing, so perhaps that says something.

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:26 PM
Dont be defensive: I like Monica, and the one thing I would love to see next to Venus and Serena getting the career and calendar year Grand Slam, is Monica holding the Wimbledon Champion's trophy..What a way to wrapp up a career. I just dont think that it will happen unless something bad happens in the WTA...Sorry...

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:26 PM
She's not Slam Champion material. She's more Slam Semi-quarters material.

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:28 PM
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AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:30 PM
I'm not being defensive at all.... She's consistently in the quarters of the slams (01US notwithstanding)....it would only take a bit of luck, an upset in her draw, or a poor performance by an opponent to give her a shot to win a title.

Plus, she's beaten everybody on the WTA...why couldn't she do it again?

128 players get into Grand Slam draws....if only 1 or 2 can legitimately win, IYO, why bother to play rounds 1 - semis? I personally think than anything can happen in a Slam. Look at Thomas Johannson or Albert Costa.... nobody ever thought they were 'slam material'...and they are both now Grand Slam Champions. Not flashy, not #1 in the world, not overly-hyped, not self-imposing. Just Champions.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:34 PM
Seles, you say it: SF, QF ... excellent results, no doubt about that. But when did Monica reach her last GS final ? Quite a while ago. So you CAN have the opinion that she won't win another slam.

Just for comparison: Right now I would say the same about Martina. ALTHOUGH she had 4 match-points for a title 4 months ago. It's not just about the results. It's also about the mental part, whether you feel that a player is mentally ready to win a Grand Slam. I don't feel that neither for Monica nor Martina.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:35 PM
Keep reading the rest of my post.....:


....it would only take a bit of luck, an upset in her draw, or a poor performance by an opponent to give her a shot to win a title. Plus, she's *already* beaten everybody on the WTA...why couldn't she do it again?

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:36 PM
I choose to believe that she can. If other choose not to, that's fine - they have their own opinion. If there is no belief than why bother, right?

Like I've heard before from others:
Opinions are like assholes....everybody has one.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:37 PM
...some people's just stink more than others!

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:38 PM
Originally posted by Seles
it would only take a bit of luck, an upset in her draw, or a poor performance by an opponent to give her a shot to win a title.



This is not what a Champion is made of. They Must go through the competition. Seles cannot.

Its O.K. to be a quarters and "no more" kinda champion. Stay a Diehard Seles!

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:40 PM
OK, but these things HAVE happened in Monica's favour.
Venus played horribly in Australia this year, being injured (?).
Martina choked heavily in the semis but Monica couldn't take the chance. OK, maybe it was only about one shot. If she had made it deuce at 5-4 3rd set with that easy back-hand, maybe she had won. But she didn't.

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:41 PM
Heavyhitter, why do you think she cannot. She's beaten everybody in slams, she CAN go through tough competition. She's a proven champion, one of the all-time greats. Heck Serena hadn't won a slam in nearly 3 years and she's at her peak. Seles' time will come, it's only a matter of time.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:42 PM
Well, I guess we differ then.... To me, she's already a Champion, and doesn't not need to prove that to me or you or anybody else. I guess your favorites have never gotten a bit lucky with a draw or a match or a linecall or weather......or anyother INTANGIBLE in any of the GS's they've won. That's what I meant, was circumstances out of their control that the get a benefit from.

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:44 PM
Sorry, I am not gonna say "she can win another slam" based on a lucky draw and and some upsets...Seles is too good for that and she has too much pride...as things are right now, she will not win another slam...

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:45 PM
The airplanes in 02Oz Semi distracted Monica. Hingis benefitted, turned the match around and won. That's the stuff I'm talking about.

I guess maybe you don't understand what I mean.... ??

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:45 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
Heavyhitter, why do you think she cannot. She's beaten everybody in slams, she CAN go through tough competition. She's a proven champion, one of the all-time greats. Heck Serena hadn't won a slam in nearly 3 years and she's at her peak. Seles' time will come, it's only a matter of time.

Monica is technically "old" she is devoid of movement. She can stand and hit power shots, but that's it.

Today, you must hit on the run. She will invariably net the ball. Unlike a Venus or Serena who will somehow get the ball back over the net for a winner.

That's the difference.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:47 PM
Ok.... I'm outta - there's nothing more I can say than anything I've already said. I think this thread was silly, but am thankful it was not directed at other slamless players over multiple years.... who knows what kind of war their would have been there! :p

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:47 PM
Please don't understand me wrong:

Of course it's POSSIBLE that Monica wins another slam. It's possible for each of the 128 players in the draw, and Monica has definitely a better chance than 120 of them. I just don't believe it will happen.

And Seles: honestly, I think you don't believe it either. After all, you say that Monica needs lucky circumstances to win. That would mean that she has no chance to do it on her own, just by playing her best tennis. So you obviously don't have enough faith in her abilities.

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
Please don't understand me wrong:

Of course it's POSSIBLE that Monica wins another slam. It's possible for each of the 128 players in the draw, and Monica has definitely a better chance than 120 of them. I just don't believe it will happen.

And Seles: honestly, I think you don't believe it either. After all, you say that Monica needs lucky circumstances to win. That would mean that she has no chance to do it on her own, just by playing her best tennis. So you obviously don't have enough faith in her abilities.

Bingo GoDominique!!!

Sorry Seles you are making too many excuses for Monica. We secretly know Monica's inabilities. Everybody do.

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:50 PM
Thats another point

Monica doesn't need to prove herself ever again she was number one for like 170 weeks and won 9 grandslams 53 career titles(thus far) thats a career i'd be damned proud of!

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:51 PM
Fine. But the difference between real fans and fake fans is that real fans always believe in their player through good and bad, and they do not wait for the win to happen and THEN start believing. Anybody could've said before that French that "Serena won't win another slam, it's been nearly 3 years" but that doesn't make sense. She has a shot and so does Monica. But now that Serena "won" a slam, everybody jumps back on the bandwagon but since Monica didn't win a slam recently then she's "can't". Well just like Serena, Monica's turn will come. Both have been top 5 players for the last 3 years.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:51 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
And Seles: honestly, I think you don't believe it either. After all, you say that Monica needs lucky circumstances to win. That would mean that she has no chance to do it on her own, just by playing her best tennis. So you obviously don't have enough faith in her abilities.

You don't know me and you have NO right to judge me. I've stood by her since 1989 and my faith and determination have never wavered. Did you not read the part about intangibles...that's what I meant.

Why attack me and what I belive.... ?
I don't understand.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:53 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
Fine. But the difference between real fans and fake fans is that real fans always believe in their player through good and bad, and they do not wait for the win to happen and THEN start believing. Anybody could've said before that French that "Serena won't win another slam, it's been nearly 3 years" but that doesn't make sense. She has a shot and so does Monica. But now that Serena "won" a slam, everybody jumps back on the bandwagon but since Monica didn't win a slam recently then she's "can't". Well just like Serena, Monica's turn will come. Both have been top 5 players for the last 3 years.


Well said!!!!

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:56 PM
Serena is improving. Monica is backsliding

ttaM
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:56 PM
*Sigh* :rolleyes:

Can Seles win another slam? Yes
Is it likely she will? No

I really thought Seles blew a chance of winning a slam at OZ this year. She should have defeated Martina but after the 1st set she lost focus and made unforced error after unforced error.

And things have gone in Hingis' favor in winning slams: I don't recall competition being great in '97-'99. Graf was injured, Monica was overweight and not focused on tennis because of her dad, Venus and Lindsay were still developing. With Hingis I don't think anything has happened to her game...its just that everyone else has gotten better and competition more tight.

But Monica and Martina are in the same boat. Both CAN win slams but it's going to be an uphill battle for both. They need to improve their games, fitness, mental aspect.

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:59 PM
Yeah, Seles is backsliding all the way from no.6 to no.4. After Wimbledon, which she has a good shot of winning, she will even go higher. Wow Seles is so washed up... NOT!

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:59 PM
Seles: I haven't attacked you. Sorry if it seemed like this.

It's just that I have a different definition of 'believing'. For me, it means that you say 'my favourite player is up to all of them, she can beat everyone, NO MATTER WHAT'. Not with lucky draw, bad weather, airplanes or whatever.

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:03 PM
GoDominique Seles never said that was the only way Monica could win a grandslam he was just saying that would undoubtable increase her chances with a few bits of luck!

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:03 PM
Just because one Seles fan or one Whoever fan believes that there needs to be luck so that their fav player wins, it doesn't mean that it's reality. I personally think that Monica still has ALL the talent to win a grandslam by beating the best. She's beaten in the last year Hingis, Serena, Venus, Capriati, Henin, Clijsters, etc. she doesn't need luck or weather or lucky draw. It's just a matter of playing a good match once she arrives to the quarters/semis and make a breakthrough. She can play much better then what she did during the French this year.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:05 PM
Well, I took it as an attack. I don't think anyone here is in the position to question by integrity or belief system.

Further.... it matters not what I think or believe, and matters even less what all of you think or believe. If she slams again - then you'll eat crow. If not - she's still a Hall of Famer who had a tremendous career spanning over 2 1/2 decades reaching the top of her sport for a long period of time. The bottom line is that she believes that she can compete. That's what it's about.q

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:11 PM
Seles is a Quarter Finals girl. Accept it.

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:14 PM
So why was she in the semis of Austrailia then?

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:15 PM
oh i forgot Venus was 'injured' was playing 'badly' wasn;t ready enough:rolleyes:

Give me a break!

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:16 PM
Originally posted by selesrules
It's just a matter of playing a good match once she arrives to the quarters/semis and make a breakthrough. She can play much better then what she did during the French this year.

I completely agree with that ! But as long as this hasn't happened, I don't believe she will win another slam.

Compare it to Serena: After her US Open victory 1999, she was in the same situation as Monica, especially in 2001. Reaching semis and quarters and losing in close matches, to Martina and Jennifer. She wasn't ready mentally to win a GS, instead she had a stomach ache each time.
And that changed at last year's US Open when she beat Lindsay in an intense 3-setter. That gave her back the self-believe and she reached the final. From then on it was clear that she is a Grand-Slam-contender again.

We are still waiting for a match like this for Monica. If it happens, I might believe in her chances as well.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:18 PM
To clarify: all of you think I said Monica *needs* luck to win another slam. I think any Slam champion has had a break go in their favor. I don't mean luck, I mean any intangible. Serena won the 02RG overcoming a very poor 1st set, and then her opponent cramped. That being said, I don't think she would have lost, but did have herself in a not formidable position. Perhaps the intangibles helped her regain her focus to win.... In 02RG Monica was down a set and 2-3 then the rain came and she was able to re-evaulate her focus and easily win the next 10 straight games. I don't think she would have lost that match either...but the intangible (being rain delay) helped her out. We've all seen it... a player maybe misses and easy shot and then their confidence cracks and they lose. They serve for the match and get tight. The miss an easy sitter forehand volley and lose their focus and then lose the match. That's the stuff I'm talking about - intangibles.

That's what I'm talking about here....

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:18 PM
And Venus WAS playing badly, whatever the reason was. Not Monica's fault. It was just the luck Seles (the poster) is asking for.

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:21 PM
Might as well start a thread that says "Do Monica Needs Luck to Win a Slam"

YES!

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:24 PM
Venus played an incredible match at Australia and so did Monica. Venus was running all over the court, hitting winners and aces everywhere but Monica dug deep inside her and won. One of the final games said it all: Venus down a break 3-4, she hits 3 incredible winners to have 3 break points at 00-40. Monica then fights back hitting winners of her own, saves 3 break points and holds for 5-3. Both played very well, and Venus ran down every ball and hit her strokes as good as ever.

As for the French Open match, both played poorly overall. Monica didn't have the fire like she did in the Australia, she wasn't into the match and didn't grunt. Something was missing.

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by HEAVYHITTER
Might as well start a thread that says "Do Monica Needs Luck to Win a Slam"

YES!

YES

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:25 PM
Seles fans, please ignore HeavyHitter, it's obvious that he's having fun and trying to annoy us.

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:28 PM
I just don't believe Monica have the ability to capture a Slam. She needs too much help from others. It is clear in this thread. What's bashing about that. Monica is cool with me, I just believe she can't beat the best.

And I believe most Seles fans do too.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:30 PM
OK...I'm done with this thread...but I leave you on one last thought.... Picture your favorite after they haven't won a Slam in a few years. Are they still your favorite? Do you think they will win another Slam? Do you believe they can? Does she believe herself that she can?

If you said no to either of those, change your name to Fair Weather Fan.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:31 PM
Seles - one last thing: I agree with you. There are numerous times a player has won a GS after having tough matches, a lucky situation etc.
Gustavo Kuerten last year had to save a match-point and hit a ball on the line.
Jennifer at AO 2000 almost lost to Nagyova in the first round.
Boris Becker saved a match-point with a lucky net-cord in the 2nd round of US Open 1989 and later won the event.

Even Monica had this quite a few times. When she won FO 1990, she had 3 very tough matches before the final. Manuela Maleeva was on the way to beat Monica before she hit her own head with her racket. I think that is what you meant.

And you are right that Monica's match against Montolio fits into that as well.

But the point is: this alone will never make a winner of yourself. The self-believe has to be there already before the tournament begins. These situations can add the extra fire to win the whole thing.

So the question shoud be: Does MONICA believe she can win another slam ? And the honest answer would probably be no.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:34 PM
Seles, funnily you have quite answered my post without knowing it. :)

You can only believe in something your favourite believes in as well.

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:34 PM
Yes she does believe that she can win another slam. And she will.

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:35 PM
Originally posted by Seles
OK...I'm done with this thread...but I leave you on one last thought.... Picture your favorite after they haven't won a Slam in a few years. Are they still your favorite? Do you think they will win another Slam? Do you believe they can? Does she believe herself that she can?

If you said no to either of those, change your name to Fair Weather Fan.

That utterly inconceivable. I can't see that far down the road.

AjdeNate!
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:39 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
So the question shoud be: Does MONICA believe she can win another slam ? And the honest answer would probably be no.


You got me before I could leave.....
If she doesn't believe she could compete, than I ask you, why, since you think she believes she's no good.... Why does she continue to play? Is it that she likes short skirts? Clay in her panties? The feeling of sweat running down her back? Yup, that must be it!


:)

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:57 PM
No no no.

Of course Monica is good. And I'm sure she believes she can compete (which she can). And I'm sure she loves tennis.

But does she TOTALLY believe in herself at a Grand Slam ? I doubt it. Maybe she says to herself 'I have a chance to win'.
But when you see her on court, you don't get that impression. Against Venus, she didn't look like she was believing. She wasn't able to bring her best tennis.

Of course I can't be sure of that. It's speculative. I don't know Monica personally, I have never talked to her. Maybe if I did, I would have a different opinion.

I can only put together all the impressions I get on TV and then have an opinion. It can be right or wrong.

Blogger Dives
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:01 PM
Easy, because she's American. They won't insult their own player with painful reminders of how long it's been since they captured a large title.

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:02 PM
GoDominique i'm sick of your Monica bashing you do it every chance you get

Just cos Monica kicked Van Roosts ass everytime they played don't take it out on us.

Either shut up or go pick on someone else!

HEAVYHITTER
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:06 PM
I don't believe Go Dominique is bashing. I believe her and Seles had a bone to pick.

Go Dominique won.

irma
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:08 PM
I stay with my point. Monica has the qualities to win a grand slam anyday, if she wants and does it is a different story!

selesrules
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:08 PM
Anyways. Monica needs our support right now, she still can win a slam. People supported Serena and that's why she won a slam again. If we are going to be negative and not believe in Monica, it will not help her at all. Let's be positive, she can still do it. Good luck to Monica at Wimbledon!

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:08 PM
Monica_Rules, finally ! How long did I have to wait for this ?

As cheap as it gets.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:10 PM
And BTW, I'm not so obsessed with my (former) favourite player that I relate everything what happens to her.

Might be different for you.

R. DIS
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:12 PM
Monica should just retire, she'll be out of the top ten by next year.

Cam'ron Giles
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:27 PM
Originally posted by R. DIS
Monica should just retire, she'll be out of the top ten by next year.

I dont think she should retire, but you have to look at her chances for what they are...;)

Monica_Rules
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:11 PM
Go Dominique

Might be a cheap shot but its true face it!

Jem
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:13 PM
Monica is my favorite player, and I'd love to see her win another Grand Slam title. I'm not sure it will happen though. But regardless, to the point of this thread in its beginning, I think the reason you can't criticize Monica for not winning a Grand Slam in six years is because NO ONE -- ABSOLUTELY NO ONE -- has endured what she had to endure with the stabbing incident. The stabbing changed her life and the course of tennis history. The Monica today simply is not the Monica before she was stabbed. She does not have the same mental strength that she used to have prior to the stabbing. In a sense, I suspect she's somewhat resentful and completely baffled by what happened to her, and when you have those kinds of feelings, you're never going to play your best. As long as she enjoys the game and competes at a high level (which she does), I say let her play and let it go. In truth, even if she were to win another Grand Slam title, I don't think it would bring her utter joy or contentment. It would give her pleasure, but it would not bring back all that was taken from her when she was stabbed. All that said, I think Monica has a great life. She is not the first person to suffer tragedy, nor will she be the last. And she is not the first person to be treated unjustly, nor will she be the last. Tennis is a simple little game, with a lot of prize money to be won. But that's all. Just a game and a bit of trivia. Life is what matters!

earthcrystal
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:13 PM
What a crappy thread. :( Started to make Hingis fans feel better about her drought, and then turned into a "Monica's washed up" thread again. Why is it that people feel the need to bash Monica? What is it about her that just fills them with the desire to spew venom? Methinks its her class, dignity, and grace, resulting in her mass popularity around the world that just makes the other fans bases positively green with envy. There's simply no other plausible explanation as to why you'd expend so much energy dissing her. And speaking of dissing...enter the aptly named:

DIS - You never let up do you? :rolleyes:
Let me speak plainly so even an ignoramus like you can understand.

Barring injury, the only way Monica will be out of the top 10 a year from now is if she retires. Period.

disposablehero
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:26 PM
1999: "Monica will be out of the top 10 within a year"
2000: "Monica will be out of the top 10 within a year"
2001: "Monica will be out of the top 10 within a year"

I can't wait til 2004 so I can hear people assert definitively (again) that
"Monica .... .. ... .. ... ... .. ...... . ....".

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:48 PM
A player can be in top now and for the next 5 years.
A player can be the nicest player of the tour.
A player can beat everyone ranked below her.

And still a player can stay slamless for the rest of her career.

Since when is questioning a person's ability of winning another slam questioning the person's personality and value ?

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:51 PM
And Monica_Rules: Again - please show me the post where I said that Monica is a bad person. Should be no problem for you, as you seem to know me so well.

Dawn Marie
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:55 PM
This topic is stupid and was only started to make for bad responses toward Seles. This is my opinion. Personally I just ignore this Tonieefa as I knew from their first post that they like to cause trouble.


Wouln't it be something if Seles does win another slam though, especially before Hingis?

disposablehero
Jun 9th, 2002, 10:18 PM
Oh, wait, there it is. ;)

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Not that happy with Monica's behaviour
IMO Monica showed bad sportsmanship today. Sorry, Monica.
I know that she is a feisty competitor, but it is too hard to at least show a little interest if your opponent is down on the court wincing in pain ?
I mean, Monica had just won four games in a row and from Ana Isabel's reaction it was quite clear that she wouldn't be able to continue. Monica could have come over or at least care a bit for her situation. But she only asked her briefly after she had retired.
For an experienced top-player who is in winning position, I think that is poor.



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GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 10:25 PM
disposablehero: you are welcome. I have criticised Monica once, now everything fits in your picture, eh ?

Read the comment in the other thread if you like.

This is my last post directed to you.


I can't remember that I have broken my promise.

CoryAnnAvants#1
Jun 9th, 2002, 10:43 PM
I think Monica definitely has the ability to win one more Grand Slam. IMO, her problem isn't fitness or inability to hold form over a 2 week period. She has the ability to beat the big babes like Serena, Venus, Jen, Lindsay. Monica's problem is that she can't do it consistently, which is what needs to be done to win Grand Slams. She beat Venus in Oz, but then would have had to go right back out and beat Hingis and Capriati. If she got through Venus, she would have had to play Serena in the FO final. Monica simply lacks what is needed to bet 3 big power hitters in a row, whatever that may be. That being said, I think Monica can still win one more, but she isn't getting younger. If she hasn't won a GS by the end of the 2004 Aus Open, I'd say she won't win another one again

jojoseph
Jun 9th, 2002, 11:35 PM
Monica's said that she will stop playing when tennis is no longer fun anymore. She's still able to be very effective and continues to be a factor.

Any comment to the extent that she should retire because she won't win a slam or be in the top ten is retarted.

About her likeliness to winning a slam, well, she can beat anyone beneath her. It's just a matter of getting past Jen, Serena, and Venus. I think it's likely she will win atleast one more, probably on a hardcourt. She's slowly been climbing up in the rankings through more and more match play and she just needs to get enough momentum going into the matches where she meets one of the above three. She always plays great going up until she plays one of the above three so you have to figure it's more of a confidence problem.

And yeah, I think the main reason Martina got criticized was because of the fact that she was ranked #1 and wasn't winning slams, thus came the criticism that the ranking system was all screwed up and stuff like that. It just drew a lot of attention.

harloo
Jun 10th, 2002, 01:36 AM
I agree with Dawn Marie because Tonieefa is the one who started that What should Venus and Serena do to help poor blacks thread? People, I'm not buying it because for your username to be Toneeifa and you have a Martina avatar is suspect. This is someone doing blackface, and I'm not buying this one bit.

babsi
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:35 AM
I'm a Monica fan and she really could prove me wrong here but I don't view her with rose-tinted glasses;)

I don't think she will win a Grand Slam again (but I really hope she does) because simply that players like Venus and Serena have what she has and more (I'm really talking about movement here) and to beat Monica is to move her around which many players can do (Venus at RG and Hingis many times).

That is a big weakness and I really think alone will cost her another Grand Slam. You think she is back and then the next tournament it is back to the old level (Chase 00 and San Diego 01).

She just really has to work on her fitness A LOT.

And another thing I have noticed in watching matches of her in the past few months and that is that she is getting irritated on court with outside distractions, Monica pre 93 would block that all out.

Again, I hope she proves me wrong here.

Toineefa
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:40 AM
Dawn how many times must I apologise for the miscommunication???? The other thread was a misunderstanding and Althea was diplomatic about it but all you do is antagonise me. :rolleyes:

Toineefa
Jun 10th, 2002, 02:45 AM
Earthcrystal the only reason I made this thread was cos it is true that loads of posters criticise Marti for not winning in a Slam in 3 years while Monica hasn't in over 6 years. Why should Monica be exempt from criticism? :confused:

Monica_Rules
Jun 10th, 2002, 09:13 AM
Thanx dh thats exactlry what i was going on about everything monica did in Aus just pissed you off and now here as a few tossers have there go at monica here you come and join in!

But hey

THAT ALRIGHT,THATS OK YOUR GONNA PUMP MY GAS SOMEDAY

GoDominiqu
Jun 10th, 2002, 11:10 AM
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[...] This is what I have said on/about Monica (you might check it if you want):

- at Australian Open, I criticised Monica for bad behaviour in her 4th round match. I admit that my initial post was a bit harsh. But I modified my opinion later. Still, this was NOT without reason, as I still think Monica's behaviour was not very nice. Just my opinion.

- a day later, I posted a JOKE thread with the same expressions to make fun of my other post and the funny accident with the autograph-ball. Unfortunately only a few people got it. I explained it and apologized. No criticism, not a big deal.

- I once posted that I think that Monica is overweight. No criticism, just a fact.

- reagrding the stabbing: show me ONE post in this and the other thread where i have criticised Monica, let alone without reason. In fact, none of my posts had to do with Monica at all. I have only defended some German institutions against IMO not justified accusations.

- I don't hate Monica.

If you find one post proving that I am a liar, then I will admit and you can demand my suspension.




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I'm really dumb to spend so much time on talking to liars like you, Monica_Rules.
Just for your information: Even if I am not a Monica-fanatic like you, I have the right to have an opinion on her, as everyone else has. Sorry, but you have to accept that.

Kart
Jun 15th, 2002, 12:43 AM
Originally posted by Toineefa
Earthcrystal the only reason I made this thread was cos it is true that loads of posters criticise Marti for not winning in a Slam in 3 years while Monica hasn't in over 6 years. Why should Monica be exempt from criticism? :confused:

And criticising Monica achieves what exactly for Martina ?

darren cahill
Jun 15th, 2002, 12:49 AM
What I dont understand is why people feel its important to only stay in tennis if you are in contention at every major. Its very hard keeping up with all the contridicting views. There is one whole thread dedicated to Navratilovas wild card entry into Eastbourne next week and everyone is over the top with excitement over her return, and jump a couple threads over and you see the "its time to quit Pete" forum. how come its ok to push pete out of the game and welcome Martina back like she's really gonna accomplish much. If she is playing just for the love of the game, let Pete (and Monica and Arantxa for that matter) play on as well. at the most only 8 people are gonna win majors a year (4 men, 4 women) some one is bound to be left in the dust but they shouldnt all retire.