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GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 01:36 PM
IMO there should be grass-court-events only in the 2 weeks before Wimbledon, like it is for the ATP: 2 tournaments in week 1 and 2 tournaments in week 2.
OK, the tournament in Tashkent is not really a problem. Only very few top-100-players travel thousands of kilometres to play a hard-court-tournament in exhausting heat. So it's not really an alternative for playing a grass-court-tournament.
But now we have a tier III on clay, and this attracts quite a lot top-players and that is a bad thing. It increases the tendency to ignore grass completely, playing Vienna and then going to Wimbledon just to cash in the first-round-money.
And the quality in Wimbledon could also suffer because the players don't have proper preparation.

But if we had another tier II or III on grass in week 1, then playing not at all for 2 weeks would definitely hurt some players, so they would decide to play on grass.

ATP is doing a much better job here.

Rollo
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:15 PM
:)

VSFan1 aka Joshua L.
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:23 PM
I agree....but if it was up to me...we would have about 6 or 7 weeks of grass court tennis ;)

CB
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:30 PM
Great post GoDominique.

The thing is that not much people like to play on grass and focus on Wimbledon. It's a natural thing that it gets devaluated. Also, in women's tennis, we know who will dominate on grass or not (Willies, Davenport). They don't need that much warm-up in grass events so I'm not against the tourney in Vienna, another opportunity for players to play in a medium tournament and gain some points/money.

tennischick
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:31 PM
what CB said...;)

FARFALLA77
Jun 9th, 2002, 02:33 PM
i agree

CB
Jun 9th, 2002, 03:57 PM
:)

arn
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:01 PM
Agreed, but where should it be played???

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:04 PM
In Vienna. Organisers there should just stop maintaining the courts and the green will come. ;)

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:07 PM
Seriously: I don't know. Probably not in Southern Europe, as it would be too dry. Maybe in Belgium ?

potty
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:12 PM
Vienna really does not act as an alternative to the grass events I don't think anyway. A lot of the players that are in Vienna I do not think would have played a warm up even on grass anyway. Take Conchita for example she played eastbourne last year but apart from that rarely played a grass tourney apart from Wimbledon. Though I do think it did benefit her playing a warm up on grass seeing as she had her best result since 1995 last year!!!!!!

Zamboni
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:16 PM
I think the grasscourt season should at least be taken seriously! It's not like they're ever gonna remove Wimbledon from the schedule, so give the players time for a decent preparation - it will also lift the number of player who can do well on grass and therefore make it more attractive.

A clay tournament in the grass season doesn't help for that :(

Penguin
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by GoDominique
Seriously: I don't know. Probably not in Southern Europe, as it would be too dry. Maybe in Belgium ?

a grass court tournament in Belgium would also help the players getting used to rain delays ;)

Zamboni
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:33 PM
Originally posted by Penguin
a grass court tournament in Belgium would also help the players getting used to rain delays ;)

lol, in England it rains more, and the Netherlands got one too, so there shouldn't be a problem :)

arn
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:35 PM
I don't think there's one place in Belgium where there are enough grass court to host an event. It's all clay (and hardcourts) here.

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 04:38 PM
Yes, that's a problem. For the Gerry Weber Open in Halle/Germany they had to build a complete new stadium, so they would probably have to do the same here.

What happened to the tournament in Brighton which existed in the early 90s ?

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:14 PM
Vienna was moved to here as Tashkent wanted to move to a joint event with the ATP but it didn't come off

I think next year Vienna will move back to July

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:16 PM
Brighton was indoors.

There should be another grass event straight after Paris.

Isn't there anyone in Europe who knows how to grow grass ??? ;)

Vanity
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:30 PM
There is a men's grass tournament in Halle, Germany going on this week... so they should cancel the Vienna tournament and hold a women's grass court event there as well! ;)

-Sonic-
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:34 PM
only out of a potato.

oh wait, thats cress.

-Sonic-
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:35 PM
a tournament on cress would be cool tho....

arn
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:39 PM
And why not moving 's Hertogenbosch one week earlier and have a women's event in Halle the week after the men event??

ok, that's again a tournament in Germany where they already host like 10 events, but I'm sure they could give one, somewhere in november, to Belgium ;) ;) ;)

GoDominiqu
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:53 PM
arn, which 10 events in Germany ??? Right now it looks like we might lose 3 events for the next year. :sad:

So installing a new women's tournament here is the last thing anyone would do.

And the courts in Halle look worse after 1 week than those in Wimbledon after 2 weeks so no chance.

arn
Jun 9th, 2002, 05:56 PM
maybe not 10, but there were a lot last year!

Penguin
Jun 9th, 2002, 06:04 PM
Originally posted by Sonic The Hedgehog
a tournament on cress would be cool tho....

lol, with players nibbling on the court between points

Tatiana Panova
Jun 9th, 2002, 07:21 PM
I think the situation would be resolved if there was three weeks between the French and Wimby which they say will happen. I think that grass really suits women's tennis and I think there should be more tournaments on it. Many of the top players say it is their fave surface and it deserves more of the tennis year. Just a couple more big tournies would be good. It is rather pathetic to have tournament after tournament on clay or hard. I think that the majority should be played on these surfaces but just a few more grass tournies! There would be a lot less injuries methinks.

Becool
Jun 9th, 2002, 07:59 PM
I think a tier I on grass surface would make more players interested in playing on grass, and also would be a great preparation for Wimbledon.

-Sonic-
Jun 9th, 2002, 08:40 PM
Originally posted by Penguin


lol, with players nibbling on the court between points


they could use boiled eggs as balls.... mayo for lines.....

*hungry*

Scotso
Jun 9th, 2002, 08:47 PM
If players don't want to play on grass why make them? It's bad enough that there's a grand slam on it. It doesn't make for interesting tennis and it's really not well suited... especially when it usually rains where those events are held anyway.

If you want more grasscourt tournaments, okay. But why force people to play them?

Penguin
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:11 PM
Originally posted by Sonic The Hedgehog



they could use boiled eggs as balls.... mayo for lines.....

*hungry*

geez, you got me raiding the fridge again :drool:

MLF
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:16 PM
I think they should revive the old Beckenham event as a Challenger in week 2 of the French. Then they could upgrade Surbiton to a tier 4 or 5 tour event as the draw is strong there anyway.
Failing that the exhibiton evens held in Dublin always get a great turnout from the crowds so I say bring a tourny to Ireland. Players might enjoy the Guinness and craic too much though.

TheBoiledEgg
Jun 9th, 2002, 09:47 PM
Surbiton won't be moved as you can't hold a WTA/ATP event at same time as a SLAM.

nor can you host two tourns within a certain distance of each other in same week

Jippo McScally
Jun 9th, 2002, 10:51 PM
I think they should push the grass court season back say 2 week's! Make Surbiton a tier event and possibly try and get a tier I!

-Sonic-
Jun 10th, 2002, 12:29 AM
MelissaFan - the same can be said of clay tho.... many players don't really wanna play on it but they are forced to play on it cos of the length of the season, unless u are one or two certain players who work their ass off jan-mar then are injured for 2 months. it would be making it more fair by making the grass season longer.

and tastier. *not hungry now*

babsi
Jun 10th, 2002, 03:41 AM
You can't make any players play any tournament and if they want to play here it is up to them. Babsi for example will never have any great results on grass and this tournie is in her home country and plus she needs the points, so this is the right decision for her to play here.

And this tournament for me is far more exciting than Roland Garros