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:)
Sep 7th, 2006, 03:46 AM
Showing her a bannana isn't really coaching is it? :confused:

myxomatosis
Sep 7th, 2006, 03:50 AM
Oi I think this has been debated enough in GM... :tape:

Maria Croft
Sep 7th, 2006, 06:30 AM
We really don't care what the GM thinks about Maria, they always find something to hate on if she gets far in a grand slam draw, it's nothing new.

Dan23
Sep 7th, 2006, 07:04 AM
They went to a new level of idiocy today :lol: I think Bis was even struggling to get involved with the bar that high

The_Pov
Sep 7th, 2006, 09:22 AM
And Bananagate rages on :rolleyes:

azi
Sep 7th, 2006, 09:34 AM
I think whatever Yuri does in Maria's matches, those people in the GM will always find a way to bash her with it...It's usually the case when Maria is winning....

Go Maria, I won't mind those people hating about you more, just lift that trophy on Saturday....Give them more to hate about...

blondie123
Sep 7th, 2006, 09:40 AM
surely that isnt allowed - no matter who the player is
I dont hear of any other coaches doing that
i suppose because its Maria its all right is it?

Caro23
Sep 7th, 2006, 10:30 AM
surely that isnt allowed - no matter who the player is
I dont hear of any other coaches doing that
i suppose because its Maria its all right is it?

Is that meant to be some kind of sick joke?

Whenever have you been coached by a trainer that you need to pull a bannana out of a bag in order to claim victory, is showing your child a bannana in the coaching manual?....No i didnt think so. It has absolutly nothing to do with coaching, when we're talking about food it turns to a father in consideration for his daughter.

blondie123
Sep 7th, 2006, 10:53 AM
no it wasnt meant as a sick joke
i meant do you see any other coaches actually holding a cup advising them to take a drink
surely it is up to the player what they feel is best for them as they are the ones out there hitting the ball

if she wants a drink, let her drink, if she wants a banana let her have a banana - why does she need her dad to tell her to do something?
surely she can make that decision for herself
jesus is no one enetitled to an opinion anymore

Caro23
Sep 7th, 2006, 11:03 AM
no it wasnt meant as a sick joke
i meant do you see any other coaches actually holding a cup advising them to take a drink
surely it is up to the player what they feel is best for them as they are the ones out there hitting the ball

if she wants a drink, let her drink, if she wants a banana let her have a banana - why does she need her dad to tell her to do something?
surely she can make that decision for herself
jesus is no one enetitled to an opinion anymore

They are......just no dumb ones. :devil:

blondie123
Sep 7th, 2006, 11:40 AM
okay
im v sorry
i didnt mean it
*goes and hides in corner with dunce cap on*

:)
Sep 8th, 2006, 03:11 AM
besides, why are they even bashing Masha? the incident was out of masha's control. it was YURI who did it anyways. Masha couldn't have done anything to stop Yuri ;S

Dan23
Sep 8th, 2006, 03:35 AM
Thats true....Maria has to put up with all the shenanigans which result from Yuri's actions. He puts her in strange situations quite often.

x Chu x
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:07 AM
if she wants a drink, let her drink, if she wants a banana let her have a banana - why does she need her dad to tell her to do something?
surely she can make that decision for herself
jesus is no one enetitled to an opinion anymore

i don't think it's so much as he wanting to eat or drink. It has to do with replenishing certain nutrients as specific times. I'm sure she has done those test where they examine what nutrients you lose and how fast you lose it while playing tennis, and when and how much you should take at certain intervals.

Also in general with yuri 'coaching' its obviously exploited more with masha because her dad is loud to begin with and she's masha, im sure many other coaches does similar things/signals to their players but no one would ever care about those players.

~lollipop_girl~
Sep 8th, 2006, 10:32 AM
Seriously, Maria needs to learn to stop looking up to her dad and the box coz then no matter how often they do these things at least she can't be blamed for paying attention & if they realise that they are making no difference with the signals or coaching coz she is ignoring them, then surely they will stop soon!

Edward.
Sep 8th, 2006, 02:45 PM
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-09/08/xinsrc_29209020815467033241849.jpg

"EET ZE BANANA GODDAMMITZZZ!"

Yuri is awesome. :worship:

xan
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:25 PM
no it wasnt meant as a sick joke
i meant do you see any other coaches actually holding a cup advising them to take a drink
surely it is up to the player what they feel is best for them as they are the ones out there hitting the ball

if she wants a drink, let her drink, if she wants a banana let her have a banana - why does she need her dad to tell her to do something?
surely she can make that decision for herself
jesus is no one enetitled to an opinion anymore

A) You don't see most other coaches during matches. Yuri is famous so always has a camera on him.

B) Yuri likes to feel involved.

C) maria may need reminding when to carb-up. When you are feeling tired and lethargic, it's too late.

lakan kildap
Sep 12th, 2006, 03:15 AM
this is just another issue they want to add to the mix to put a damper on what was truly a victory. Even Jon Wertheim, who I usually read, is all over Maria on this, actually using the word "cheating."

I mean, really now? Who are they kidding on this?

If they want to know if there's some coaching going on, why don't they put a mic on Jimbo's seat? Even Taylor Dent, an American player who was doing commentary during the men's final, was quite sure Connors was yelling something at Roddick during the match.

!!!--Duiz™--!!!
Sep 12th, 2006, 03:19 AM
I Think Yuri has been essential to Maria, but Maria should request for a role-switch in her home. I want to see Yelena cheering on Maria rather than Yuri. IT makes me sad she is never there.

x Chu x
Sep 12th, 2006, 03:43 AM
I Think Yuri has been essential to Maria, but Maria should request for a role-switch in her home. I want to see Yelena cheering on Maria rather than Yuri. IT makes me sad she is never there.

lol come on, without Yuri being such a larage stake in masha life, face it, masha wouldn't be the same person she is on court. :D

AniSkywalker
Sep 12th, 2006, 05:41 AM
Showing her a bannana isn't really coaching is it? :confused:

Showing her hIS bannana is really coaching

Does some of you have the capture from video Yuri doing that?

Maria Croft
Sep 12th, 2006, 01:08 PM
Showing her hIS bannana is really coaching

Does some of you have the capture from video Yuri doing that?

when you think about it, that sounds really wrong :lol: :tape:

Edward.
Sep 12th, 2006, 01:30 PM
when you think about it, that sounds really wrong :lol: :tape:

:haha: :haha: :haha: :haha:

Don't let the GM here that. They'll have a field day :lol:

Dan23
Sep 12th, 2006, 01:34 PM
yuri showing Maria his banana would be illegal let alone against tennis rules :o

Dan23
Sep 12th, 2006, 01:35 PM
btw Yuri had a new pair of glasses for the tournament...they seem to have bought good fortune :cool:

Edward.
Sep 12th, 2006, 01:39 PM
yuri showing Maria his banana would be illegal let alone against tennis rules :o

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

I actually just roared with laughter when I read that :haha:

johnoo
Sep 12th, 2006, 06:08 PM
on a serious note although I like yuri I think the fame has gone to his head though,he's forever looking at the big stadium screen to see if hes on tv,I would like maria to play in moscow without him in the stands just to see what happens.

whenstarsfall
Sep 12th, 2006, 10:35 PM
this is just another issue they want to add to the mix to put a damper on what was truly a victory. Even Jon Wertheim, who I usually read, is all over Maria on this, actually using the word "cheating."

I mean, really now? Who are they kidding on this?

If they want to know if there's some coaching going on, why don't they put a mic on Jimbo's seat? Even Taylor Dent, an American player who was doing commentary during the men's final, was quite sure Connors was yelling something at Roddick during the match.

well it is cheating. maria said she's so in the zone that she forgets to drink and eat. oh please. i see her drinking nonstop during the breaks. why she suddenly forgets now is beyond me.

i wouldn't really have a problem with it if it's just yuri yelling stuff at her. but the thing that really bugs me is that she signaled back.

by the way, connors told roddick "right now." that's harmless really. what maria and her camp were doing was outright coaching with the cups, the fruit and the hand signals. ridiculous.

i like how the tv cameras are all over this but the chair umpires have no clue. perhaps if she were actually penalized they'd get the message.

but what i don't get is why can't other coaches tell their players stuff but with maria, they could show her all the signals in the world but since she's maria, the rules don't apply to her. you guys are actually defending her which i find disheartening.

what jon said was right on the money. maria, please play fair and with class. don't be a cheater.

tabieonelove3
Sep 12th, 2006, 11:01 PM
The Banana Open, Or How To Harass Maria

NEW YORK -- First thing I want to do is extend my warmest appreciation and thanks to Secret Squirrel for his unflinching help in decoding the most subtle of illegal coaching signals sent down from the players boxes to the players during matches.

I've been working on this project for some time and I now have a small volume of notes on how various coaches relay key, match-changing information to their clients.

I am not, however, going to rat anyone out. This is purely for my own use, though I will wet your appetite with a few of Jimmy Connors' cleverest ploys.

If you've ever watched Connors, either on those TV close-ups or live in a stadium, you'll notice he's often leaning over the railing of the players box with his arms folded.

When he tucks his left hand under the crook of his elbow on the right arm, that is a signal for Andy Roddick to serve down the middle. When he crosses his arms the other way, tucking his right hand into the crook of his left arm, he wants Roddick to hit to the corner.

And when you see him, as he often does, wiping his shades either on a handkerchief or his shirttail, this mean (please take notes here) that his glasses are dirty.

Which brings us to the silliest controversy of this or any other recent U.S. Open. Four fingers and a banana.

A reporter watching the Maria Sharapova-Justine Henin-Hardenne final on a closed circuit TV feed saw Sharapova's hitting partner, in the box with father Yuri Sharapova, hold up four fingers and was obviously intrigued.

When Sharapova came in for her press conference, one of the biggest moments of her life, the reporter asked Maria, "The implication was that there was some communication. Everyone saw it, because it was. . ."

Before she could finish her question, Sharapova interjected: "I just won a Grand Slam. The last the I'm going to talk about is some fingers or a banana, all right? I hope you got that, thanks."

Banana? Right, banana. Because during the semis and final Yuri had been seen waving a banana, prompting some to think this was some secret code for changing tactics on court.

In fact, all they wanted to do with the four fingers is indicate how much to drink on the changeover and not to forget to get some potassium in her system from the banana.

Is that illegal coaching? I spoke today with Brian Earley, the tournament referee, who told me he and his staff had reviewed the fingers, the bananas, the whole thing. "If she started hitting forehands down the line every time he waved a banana, we might be interested," he said. Other than that, said Earley, he had no interest in the waving of fruit, whether it was bananas, tangerines or pomegranites.

As for the fingers, he found no correlation between what transpired on court and this "signal." Conclusion, it was nothing but a silly controversy that had the effect of embarrassing Sharapova on what should have been one of the high points of her life.

Was that a legitimate question to Sharapova, questioning whether she and her support team were cheating? Indeed it was, IF the reporter had first tried to reach Earley and asked him whether he considered the four fingers or banana to be illegal coaching. A simple conversation with Earley on Saturday after the match would have settled the issue right there and no one would have had to humiliate Sharapova in her golden moment.

And, incidentally, no one in the media has any trouble reaching Earley. He's one of the most accessible people at the Open.

Then, after Sharapova twice made it clear she didn't care to talk about it, a fellow who owns a little once-a-month tennis magazine you've probably never heard of began lecturing her.

". . .the question, in all candor, it's a fair question. There's a phrase that an honest question deserves an honest answer. And the issue relates to fairness in the competition and the no-coachng rule. It's a simple question, and we're interested in it."

He put a full-court press on her for the next three minutes until someone, graciously, broke the joint up with a question that began, "Maria, no fruit involved. . ."

Sharapova's sharp and right-to-the-point final word on the subject: "We should tell all the players, have a banana and they're all going to win."

When I get back to South Florida this week, I'm going on a banana diet. Me and Secret Squirrel.


http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennis/2006/09/the_banana_open.html

:banana:

~lollipop_girl~
Sep 13th, 2006, 06:04 AM
That's an awesome article.... Thanks! :yeah:

As it says, what Yuri did is not cheating! It is completely within the rules and thus meaning other players have the right to take advantage of it as well, if they choose not to it is their own fault!
We, as fans, should not be adding to the controversy by even considering it to be cheating as it is clearly not and instead should either be ignoring the slander or defending the actions taken by Yuri & Maria!!!!!

Maria Croft
Sep 13th, 2006, 01:08 PM
The Banana Open, Or How To Harass Maria

NEW YORK -- First thing I want to do is extend my warmest appreciation and thanks to Secret Squirrel for his unflinching help in decoding the most subtle of illegal coaching signals sent down from the players boxes to the players during matches.

I've been working on this project for some time and I now have a small volume of notes on how various coaches relay key, match-changing information to their clients.

I am not, however, going to rat anyone out. This is purely for my own use, though I will wet your appetite with a few of Jimmy Connors' cleverest ploys.

If you've ever watched Connors, either on those TV close-ups or live in a stadium, you'll notice he's often leaning over the railing of the players box with his arms folded.

When he tucks his left hand under the crook of his elbow on the right arm, that is a signal for Andy Roddick to serve down the middle. When he crosses his arms the other way, tucking his right hand into the crook of his left arm, he wants Roddick to hit to the corner.

And when you see him, as he often does, wiping his shades either on a handkerchief or his shirttail, this mean (please take notes here) that his glasses are dirty.

Which brings us to the silliest controversy of this or any other recent U.S. Open. Four fingers and a banana.

A reporter watching the Maria Sharapova-Justine Henin-Hardenne final on a closed circuit TV feed saw Sharapova's hitting partner, in the box with father Yuri Sharapova, hold up four fingers and was obviously intrigued.

When Sharapova came in for her press conference, one of the biggest moments of her life, the reporter asked Maria, "The implication was that there was some communication. Everyone saw it, because it was. . ."

Before she could finish her question, Sharapova interjected: "I just won a Grand Slam. The last the I'm going to talk about is some fingers or a banana, all right? I hope you got that, thanks."

Banana? Right, banana. Because during the semis and final Yuri had been seen waving a banana, prompting some to think this was some secret code for changing tactics on court.

In fact, all they wanted to do with the four fingers is indicate how much to drink on the changeover and not to forget to get some potassium in her system from the banana.

Is that illegal coaching? I spoke today with Brian Earley, the tournament referee, who told me he and his staff had reviewed the fingers, the bananas, the whole thing. "If she started hitting forehands down the line every time he waved a banana, we might be interested," he said. Other than that, said Earley, he had no interest in the waving of fruit, whether it was bananas, tangerines or pomegranites.

As for the fingers, he found no correlation between what transpired on court and this "signal." Conclusion, it was nothing but a silly controversy that had the effect of embarrassing Sharapova on what should have been one of the high points of her life.

Was that a legitimate question to Sharapova, questioning whether she and her support team were cheating? Indeed it was, IF the reporter had first tried to reach Earley and asked him whether he considered the four fingers or banana to be illegal coaching. A simple conversation with Earley on Saturday after the match would have settled the issue right there and no one would have had to humiliate Sharapova in her golden moment.

And, incidentally, no one in the media has any trouble reaching Earley. He's one of the most accessible people at the Open.

Then, after Sharapova twice made it clear she didn't care to talk about it, a fellow who owns a little once-a-month tennis magazine you've probably never heard of began lecturing her.

". . .the question, in all candor, it's a fair question. There's a phrase that an honest question deserves an honest answer. And the issue relates to fairness in the competition and the no-coachng rule. It's a simple question, and we're interested in it."

He put a full-court press on her for the next three minutes until someone, graciously, broke the joint up with a question that began, "Maria, no fruit involved. . ."

Sharapova's sharp and right-to-the-point final word on the subject: "We should tell all the players, have a banana and they're all going to win."

When I get back to South Florida this week, I'm going on a banana diet. Me and Secret Squirrel.


http://blogs.sun-sentinel.com/sports_tennis/2006/09/the_banana_open.html

:banana:


Good article :yeah:

Natasc
Sep 13th, 2006, 01:30 PM
amazing article!!

lakan kildap
Sep 14th, 2006, 02:25 AM
by the way, connors told roddick "right now." that's harmless really. what maria and her camp were doing was outright coaching with the cups, the fruit and the hand signals. ridiculous.

so you are now the arbiter in deciding which is harmless and which is cheating? when did this happen?

yes, the TV showed connors yelling right now to roddick, how about those which weren't shown?

what jon said was right on the money. maria, please play fair and with class. don't be a cheater.

cheating is using a banned racket (like the infamous spaghetti string racket), obscuring the mark with your shoes on a clay court, or ingesting banned substances to boost physical performance.

"class" is a loose term that is being thrown around sports nowadays without really defining it. Class act, classy guy, blah-blah, you look at the names where these words and phrases are attached, and you almost want to throw up. (hint: class has been attached to Shaq, a great player, no doubt, but who also had a penchant for disrespecting the great centers of the past, especially Wilt Chamberlain and Willis Reed, as well as the players he's actually played against, such as Sabonis and David Robinson.) it also belongs to a bygone era when there were "gentlemen" and then there were men. When there were "ladies", and there were mere "maids", lasses, wenches or women.

Class is the most overrated thing. Well, it's the 2nd most overrated, because I believe Charles Barkley when he said on Leno that "work" is the most overrated thing in the world. There.

Jon Wertheim is hardly the world's authority on class (I do read him, so I have some idea). If Wertheim were the last word on this, he would have called out a certain American player who in the 2004 USO, yelled "do I need to speak in another language?" to an obviously "Latina" umpire, implying the umpire didn't understand English. Instead, Wertheim called her (the player's) arguing classy.

markspot
Sep 14th, 2006, 09:22 PM
I think Yuriy could have even asked the chair umpire to remind Maria to eat banana between sets.
To call it cheating is beyond ridiculous.
I am really shocked and dissapointed that Jon Wertheim turned out to be in that camp.
He even wrote "blatant cheating". Worse than others.

I saw mulitple times during this US Open coaches shouting instructions to their players during play, with their hands around their mouths, used as bullhorns.
And yet I saw no reaction from Jon Wertheim or anybody else to that.
CBS caught a funny moment, but those idiots are taking it seriously, or should I say,
in a very mean way, driven by their agenda. Mainly - sensationalism, to find new angles to sell their stories.

Maria is often a victim of unprofessional behaviour of journalists, usually,
when a "journalist" includes a controversial statement in the question itself,
and then attributes that statement to Maria, if she does not deny it clearly enough.
As was with all this jealousy thing, just recently.
Or attrribute this way their own outrageous statements directed against Maria to other players.