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supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:27 AM
I was just watching John McEnroe on Center Court (a relitively new episode) and it is his belief that he can beat the top female players on the WTA Tour. :rolleyes: I personally think that he would be destroyed by even the likes of Jill Craybas. :tape: I don't even want to know what would happen if he played Amelie or Justine. :o

IceHock
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:30 AM
More like your the idiot.McEnroe would beat them,you actually think he would lose to Craybas???Like your post loses all credibility just for that but mens tennis is alot different than women's.They serve harder,hit harder,move quicker.He would beat them.

supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:32 AM
More like your the idiot.McEnroe would beat them,you actually think he would lose to Craybas???Like your post loses all credibility just for that but mens tennis is alot different than women's.They serve harder,hit harder,move quicker.He would beat them.

Cool it; its just my opinion :) Anyway, the ATP and WTA are different, but McEnroe played thirty years ago.

Berlin_Calling
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:37 AM
John would sadly beat even the top WTA players

Paneru
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:39 AM
John would sadly beat even the top WTA players

What a sad an insecure asshole if he even feels
the need to prove something by beating a woman. :cool:

Bobby Riggs is gone,
John is a joke.

Let him play navratilova, both are
over the hill blowhards who
don't know when to shut up,
always feeling the need to talk
and knock someone else while
talking themselves up.

darrinbaker00
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:45 AM
I was just watching John McEnroe on Center Court (a relitively new episode) and it is his belief that he can beat the top female players on the WTA Tour. :rolleyes: I personally think that he would be destroyed by even the likes of Jill Craybas. :tape: I don't even want to know what would happen if he played Amelie or Justine. :o
Justine Henin-Hardenne played Yannick Noah (who doesn't play nearly as much in retirement as John McEnroe does) in an exo a couple of years ago and lost quite handily. At the risk of sounding sexist, I think a good Division I college player could beat Henin-Hardenne or Mauresmo.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:48 AM
Excuse me but, this song has been played before. Ever heard of Battle of the Sexes? The then 55 year old Bobby Riggs challenged then women's world #1, and possibly the greatest female player of all time. He beat her 6-1, 6-2. Of course, Riggs was a former world #1, and multi-GS winner. But he was also 55.

McEnroe is only 47. And a far greater champ than Riggs. Whereas Mauresmo and Henin-Hardenne aren't close to as dominant as Court. And remember, McEnroe plays WTT, so he's actually familiar with the level of play of the current female players. No way McEnroe would win a Tier II tournament on the WTA tour. At his age, he can't recover fast enough. But ONE match. McEnroe over every player on the tour. Even Serena.

supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:54 AM
Excuse me but, this song has been played before. Ever heard of Battle of the Sexes? The then 55 year old Bobby Riggs challenged then women's world #1, and possibly the greatest female player of all time. He beat her 6-1, 6-2. Of course, Riggs was a former world #1, and multi-GS winner. But he was also 55.

McEnroe is only 47. And a far greater champ than Riggs. Whereas Mauresmo and Henin-Hardenne aren't close to as dominant as Court. And remember, McEnroe plays WTT, so he's actually familiar with the level of play of the current female players. No way McEnroe would win a Tier II tournament on the WTA tour. At his age, he can't recover fast enough. But ONE match. McEnroe over every player on the tour. Even Serena.

:lol: The fastest serve that I have ever seen him hit is a 120. He certainly would not overpower her.

MisterMan
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:56 AM
It depends.
Justine would beat John.
John would beat Daniela.

Lindsay would be John.
John would beat Zvonerava.

You have to be more specific.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:57 AM
What a sad an insecure asshole if he even feels the need to prove something by beating a woman. Who says he 'feels a need'. He's just stating the truth. McEnroe was once the best player in the world. He has a right to his judgement. He isn't dissing the women's game. He just knows how good he is, even now.

The person who's dissing women is the person who uses phrase like 'prove something by beating a woman'. As if women can't ever be worthy opponents in an athletic endeavor.

In kung fu and karate, I've seen an awful lot of guys go into the ring against women with that attitude. And get beat down, kicked in the face and just generally trounced.

Dawn Marie
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:59 AM
John is still young he is 47. He would still beat the women but Serena would get some games off of him. Now if John was 67 talking this talk I would have to laugh and chuckle.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:00 AM
:lol: The fastest serve that I have ever seen him hit is a 120. He certainly would not overpower her.McEnroe never beat ANYBODY by overpowering them. He won seven slams by being one of the most clever tennis players of all times. And cleverness he hasn't lost.

Paneru
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:01 AM
Excuse me but, this song has been played before. Ever heard of Battle of the Sexes? The then 55 year old Bobby Riggs challenged then women's world #1, and possibly the greatest female player of all time. He beat her 6-1, 6-2. Of course, Riggs was a former world #1, and multi-GS winner. But he was also 55.

McEnroe is only 47. And a far greater champ than Riggs. Whereas Mauresmo and Henin-Hardenne aren't close to as dominant as Court. And remember, McEnroe plays WTT, so he's actually familiar with the level of play of the current female players. No way McEnroe would win a Tier II tournament on the WTA tour. At his age, he can't recover fast enough. But ONE match. McEnroe over every player on the tour. Even Serena.

It's all BULLSHIT!

If any woman on the tour induldged him
she'd lose regardless of winning the match or not!

1. If she lost, the woman & WTA would be dogged!
Big Surprise there!
2. If the woman won, the excuse of his age is all she
would hear and any other woman that would take the
challenge and defeat him!

So, I say stuff it all!

Different times!
Get with it and over it already!

BJK & BR did their bit and it's done!

pcrtennis
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:08 AM
These kiinds of comparisons are rediculous!

supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:09 AM
McEnroe never beat ANYBODY by overpowering them. He won seven slams by being one of the most clever tennis players of all times. And cleverness he hasn't lost.
How many clever players win slams now?

SelesFan70
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:10 AM
What a sad an insecure asshole if he even feels
the need to prove something by beating a woman. :cool:

Bobby Riggs is gone,
John is a joke.

Let him play navratilova, both are
over the hill blowhards who
don't know when to shut up,
always feeling the need to talk
and knock someone else while
talking themselves up.

Don't put it past them... :tape:

IceHock
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:12 AM
How many clever players win slams now?


This isn't about winning slams it's about ONE match in which John would win.

supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:14 AM
This isn't about winning slams it's about ONE match in which John would win.
I am saying that in today's game, a clever player will not beat a power player. Don't say that Justine or Amelie are clever, they are all-around players.

IceHock
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:17 AM
I am saying that in today's game, a clever player will not beat a power player. Don't say that Justine or Amelie are clever, they are all-around players.

But they are clever,they just have other things as well,cleverness does play a role in winning slams,look at Roger federer,he is probably the most clever player out there,he knows what to do against everyone and how to exploir their weaknesses so cleverness HELPS win slams.

harloo
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:18 AM
Did McEnroe start talking about this bullshit again? I mean this topic is so ten years ago. It's time for John to go sit down somewhere and retire. :rolleyes:

spokenword73
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:19 AM
why doesn't John talk about beating the men??
Because even a guy ranked #300 would give John M
the beat down, forget about Federer or Roddick.

Why is he always talking about playing women?
If he wants to play women so bad, let his dumb azz
play mixed :rolleyes:

ys
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:19 AM
How many clever players win slams now?

Mauresmo, two Slams this year. Moderate power, plenty of finesse.

Have you seen McEnroe play singles at WTT last year? He slugged it out just fine with Scud. And , believe it or not, even these days Scud would have rolled over any woman like a tank over an ant. No woman would have even touched his serve. No woman would have come even close to breaking Mac. Are you even following Champions Tour. Mac is still playing likes of Rios or Muster. Do you seriously think those guys would have had even slightest problem with any wioman, aside from their wives?

Reuchlin
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:20 AM
A 50 year old woman can beat most WTAtour players, let alone a man.

Anyone who think that ANY woman would win more than 2 games again JMac does not know much about the game of tennis---and this is coming from a WTAtour FAN. Women's and men's tennis is completely different. Speeds of serve might be equal sometimes but the rotation but on the ball, the weight behind it is what would give ALL the wtatour women trouble.

ToeTag
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:22 AM
It's all BULLSHIT!

If any woman on the tour induldged him
she'd lose regardless of winning the match or not!

1. If she lost, the woman & WTA would be dogged!
Big Surprise there!
2. If the woman won, the excuse of his age is all she
would hear and any other woman that would take the
challenge and defeat him!

So, I say stuff it all!

Different times!
Get with it and over it already!

BJK & BR did their bit and it's done!
....and I'll add to #2 that she would be sliced and diced by the more misogynist types out there. They would turn it around, and make it seem like it was her idea, and make her out to be a ballbreaker.
John's looking for attention. Big surprise.

Patty Choker
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:24 AM
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dreamgoddess099
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:29 AM
Until McEnroe proves he can beat the top women on tour, he does not get credit for victories he has not earned. Even Roger doesn't get credit for winning matches he has not played no matter how good he is. Anybody can lose on anyday, including the best of men. Some of these open and shut opinions of some of guys just show a last of respect for women. You wouldn't want women going around boasting about how they can kick this guy's ass before they've proven it, so why isn't the same curtesy given to women when it comes to guys boasting about how they can beat them?

spokenword73
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:30 AM
Until McEnroe proves he can beat the top women on tour, he does not get credit for victories he has not earned. Even Roger doesn't get credit for winning matches he has not played no matter how good he is. Anybody can lose on anyday, including the best of men. Some of these open and shut opinions of some of guys just show a last of respect for women. You wouldn't want women going around boasting about how they can kick this guy's ass before they've proven it, so why isn't the same curtesy given to women when it comes to guys boasting about how they can beat them?

:worship:

Paneru
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:31 AM
Don't put it past them... :tape:
I wouldn't! ;)

supergrunt
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:32 AM
Until McEnroe proves he can beat the top women on tour, he does not get credit for victories he has not earned. Even Roger doesn't get credit for winning matches he has not played no matter how good he is. Anybody can lose on anyday, including the best of men. Some of these open and shut opinions of some of guys just show a last of respect for women. You wouldn't want women going around boasting about how they can kick this guy's ass before they've proven it, so why isn't the same curtesy given to women when it comes to guys boasting about how they can beat them?

Excellent post :D .

perseus2006
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:35 AM
John McEnroe has a serious problem. For the last decade he has been trying to make himself look good by dumping on Jimmy Connors. But now, Connors is back in American tennis as Roddick's coach!!! I have never heard the McEnroes praise Jimmy as they have in this USO commentary. They are a little scared, I think.

So, John needs a new foil. Ahh, women! So, lets set up a $10 million purse, winner take all, between Pova and JMac. Pova's Foundation would benefit and the sport of tennis in the USA would benefit from JMac going down 6-0 6-0. Put him on the shelf along with Martina Navratilova as bitter old hacks.

Marcus Jordan
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:35 AM
3-4 years ago I remember the Williams sisters playing a set each against a male player ranked in the hundreds and he won both sets I remember one of the sets was 6-2.

GrandSlam05
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:36 AM
Oh please. Men have such a huge head start when it comes to sports and anyone who says no is in denial. Women can't even outdo men in figure skating. :lol:

Reuchlin
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:38 AM
Until McEnroe proves he can beat the top women on tour, he does not get credit for victories he has not earned. Even Roger doesn't get credit for winning matches he has not played no matter how good he is. Anybody can lose on anyday, including the best of men. Some of these open and shut opinions of some of guys just show a last of respect for women. You wouldn't want women going around boasting about how they can kick this guy's ass before they've proven it, so why isn't the same curtesy given to women when it comes to guys boasting about how they can beat them?

It's a simple fact of the sport. Women play and hit against men all the time in practice (Kim/Lleyton to name one example) and any WTA player would tell you she stands 0 chance against even her hitting partner in most instances (unless, of course, there was an injury or illness involved).

The logic in your post is somewhat flawed. You argue that we do not know the result of a match until it happens. Applying the same line of reasoning we can say that Federer should not say he can beat me---because we never played-- or an a small child for that matter. However, we do have an ability to give a reasonable assesment of someone's level of play and compare their level of play to that of another person. After such an assesment it is correct to say that most male tennis pros would easly beat female tennis pros.

dreamgoddess099
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:44 AM
Justine Henin-Hardenne played Yannick Noah (who doesn't play nearly as much in retirement as John McEnroe does) in an exo a couple of years ago and lost quite handily. And that proves what? That Justine can lose to Yannick Noah. He didn't play Lindsay, Kim, Serena, Venus, ect. He played 1 female player 1 time, but somehow that 1 win over that 1 female player means he can beat all the top female players. It's clear why she lost, obviously there was 10x's the pressure on her since apparently somehow she playing for every female on the planet.

At the risk of sounding sexist, I think a good Division I college player could beat Henin-Hardenne or Mauresmo.That's fair, I say they can't.

burgerboy
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:51 AM
3-4 years ago I remember the Williams sisters playing a set each against a male player ranked in the hundreds and he won both sets I remember one of the sets was 6-2.

Your wrong, this was in 1999 or so and they actually broke his serve :lol: . TOf course they couldn't beat him they were still in there teens and he was once in the top #50 . Now if they were to play I don't know what the score would be but I can assure you it would bemuch closer. Anyways Patty Schynder player an Australian mens player ranked in the thousands and she beat him 7-6, 7-5 :D .

GrandSlam05
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:55 AM
Your wrong, this was in 1999 or so and they actually broke his serve :lol: . They were fools to think they could be him because they were still teens and he had been ranked in the top #50 once. No if they were to play I don't know what the score would be but I can assure you it would eb much closer. ANyways Patty Schynder player an Australian mens player ranked in the thousands and she beat him 7-6, 7-5 :D .
OMG if you think Venus or Serena in their form this past year could take several games off of a top 50 male player then you are crazy. They'd be lucky not to lose 6-0 6-0. Any woman would.

darrinbaker00
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:57 AM
And that proves what? That Justine can lose to Yannick Noah. He didn't play Lindsay, Kim, Serena, Venus, ect. He played 1 female player 1 time, but somehow that 1 win over that 1 female player means he can beat all the top female players. It's clear why she lost, obviously there was 10x's the pressure on her since apparently somehow she playing for every female on the planet.
I didn't say Yannick Noah could beat all the top female players. I said Noah, WHO DOESN'T PLAY NEARLY AS MUCH IN RETIREMENT AS McENROE DOES, beat Henin-Hardenne quite handily in an exo. Based on that, I believe that McEnroe, who's beating players 10 years his junior on the Masters tour, would beat Henin-Hardenne and Mauresmo more often than not.

dreamgoddess099
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:08 AM
It's a simple fact of the sport.Women play and hit against men all the time in practice (Kim/Lleyton to name one example) and any WTA player would tell you she stands 0 chance against even her hitting partner in most instances (unless, of course, there was an injury or illness involved). Your stating generalizations as fact when it is not. All WTA players would not tell you they stand 0 chance against even their hitting partners, nobody picks a hitting partner they can't hit with.

The logic in your post is somewhat flawed. You argue that we do not know the result of a match until it happens. Applying the same line of reasoning we can say that Federer should not say he can beat me---because we never played-- or an a small child for that matter.First of all, Federer is a professional, so most likely he would beat most people on the street. But that doesn't mean for sure that he would beat everybody. You know not all people with great ability end up playing professionally, it's possible Roger couldn't meet his match in someone on the street.


However, we do have an ability to give a reasonable assesment of someone's level of play and compare their level of play to that of another person. After such an assesment it is correct to say that most male tennis pros would easly beat female tennis pros.Actually that's very incorrect, because by assessing the level of one's play on jus that one level, you never know if that persons level of play can increase if necessary. In other words, women are good as they need to be on the women's tour, but if there were a higher level of play being enforced the women would rise to it because they'd have to. Humans are adaptable beings, and women are humans too.

dreamgoddess099
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:19 AM
I didn't say Yannick Noah could beat all the top female players. I said Noah, WHO DOESN'T PLAY NEARLY AS MUCH IN RETIREMENT AS McENROE DOES, beat Henin-Hardenne quite handily in an exo. Based on that, I believe that McEnroe, who's beating players 10 years his junior on the Masters tour, would beat Henin-Hardenne and Mauresmo more often than not.
First of all, that match between Justine and Yannick was a hit and giggle(I mean seriously, the dude was prancing around in a bra.) Secondly, what do you mean quite handily, I remember that match being quite close, in fact I believe Yannick won it in a third set tiebreaker. So based on your logic, if Justine narrowly lost to Yannick, that means she take out McEnroe too.

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:26 AM
More like your the idiot.McEnroe would beat them,you actually think he would lose to Craybas???Like your post loses all credibility just for that but mens tennis is alot different than women's.They serve harder,hit harder,move quicker.He would beat them.



:worship:

Jakeev
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:30 AM
I don't know I would be seriously thinking twice before I bet my house on him against a 100% healthy Serena or Venus.

They would first, out run him and those serves:eek:

Would he keep it close? probably.

Beat them? Again, I would toss and turn if I had to bet my house on it.

Volcana
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:41 AM
How many clever players win slams now?Well, there IS the genetic freak ....

spencercarlos
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:49 AM
I don't know I would be seriously thinking twice before I bet my house on him against a 100% healthy Serena or Venus.

They would first, out run him and those serves:eek:

Would he keep it close? probably.

Beat them? Again, I would toss and turn if I had to bet my house on it.
Headline news for everybody, Mcenroe won a doubles ATP title this year in San Jose, do you really think that, a Mcenroe that would be losing to any women, eg playing at a lower level than a girl would be able to win a doubles title on the ATP? :lol:

Do you remmember Mcenore and almost retiring Steffi beat Venus and Gilmestob 6-4 6-3 in mixed doubles in Wimbledon 1999, when the US team had won 2 mixed doubles titles in 1998?

I know its doubles, but anyway Mcenroe plays singles on the seniour tour there, and there is great level of players there Rios, Pioline, Courier, Ivanisevic, Musters and so on, and he is competitive on this tour.
Of course imagine the scenario, today Mcenroe would beat the women in power-consistency alone, lets not even talk about the serve and volley game, and so would most of his peers from the seniours tour.

bmwofoz
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:53 AM
McEnroe would beat most of the top 50, but is there anyone in the Mens game top 100 he would.

RJWCapriati
Sep 3rd, 2006, 04:54 AM
Someone like Davenport - she would beat him 0 and 0, someone like Craybas - well he has a chance.

Mother_Marjorie
Sep 3rd, 2006, 05:45 AM
A 50 year old woman can beat most WTAtour players, let alone a man.

Anyone who think that ANY woman would win more than 2 games again JMac does not know much about the game of tennis---and this is coming from a WTAtour FAN. Women's and men's tennis is completely different. Speeds of serve might be equal sometimes but the rotation but on the ball, the weight behind it is what would give ALL the wtatour women trouble.

You are correct.

None of the current WTA crop have ever faced a serious serve and volley player in their lives. McEnroe would crush anyone that faced him.

Drake1980
Sep 3rd, 2006, 05:47 AM
I hate to say it but John probably would win.

Zauber
Sep 3rd, 2006, 05:53 AM
In a physical sport, there will allways be a big difference between Women and Men.
He was one of the very best all time.
even though he is old he would still have a shot. In a short match.
Its just silly and arogant for him to talk about that.
Yes he allways was arogant.
It proves absolutely nothing that a top man can beat a top woman.
There are and will allways be physical differences. Thank god(or whoever)
It really makes no other real difference.

Reuchlin
Sep 3rd, 2006, 06:10 AM
I don't know I would be seriously thinking twice before I bet my house on him against a 100% healthy Serena or Venus.

They would first, out run him and those serves:eek:

Would he keep it close? probably.

Beat them? Again, I would toss and turn if I had to bet my house on it.

JMAC had no trouble handling Mark's serves and you think he'd have trouble with Venus'?

Remember, due to stronger wrists men's serves (even though their MPH might be comparable sometimes) have way, way more pop on them. In the same way men hit with way, way more topspin than women.

ceiling_fan
Sep 3rd, 2006, 06:11 AM
why doesn't John talk about beating the men??
Because even a guy ranked #300 would give John M
the beat down, forget about Federer or Roddick.

Why is he always talking about playing women?
If he wants to play women so bad, let his dumb azz
play mixed :rolleyes:

Totally agree.

Let John pick on someone his own size.

Prizeidiot
Sep 3rd, 2006, 08:38 AM
I'd say McEnroe would beat any of the women fairly comfortably. He's 47 now, but he can still really play. He's still on tour with the seniors, and as someone mentioned, he beat Phillipoussis in WTT last year, so I don't think he would just get blasted off the court. I think he also drilled Andy Murray 9-1 a year or so back when Andy won the US Open Juniors.

burgerboy
Sep 3rd, 2006, 08:56 AM
Well, my honest opinion is that in today's women's game, you cannot serve and volley, not matter how good of a volleyer you are. John McEnroe would have to stay at the baseline where he would be outhit everytime. His only other option would be to come to net where he would get passed. I was just thinking about it though, the comment is really dumb. :lol: What is the point of saying that? He is a man and what oppurtunity will he get to play a top female? I think he just wants a battle of the sexes. :rolleyes:

burgerboy
Sep 3rd, 2006, 08:58 AM
Oh, and for those people who were like, Serena lost to some guy, Serena was sixteen and the guy was old or something. :weirdo: :rolleyes: The fact that she got two games at that age ans stage of her career makes the guy look pretty pathetic.

TheBoiledEgg
Sep 3rd, 2006, 10:06 AM
Someone like Davenport - she would beat him 0 and 0, someone like Craybas - well he has a chance.

Lindsay would do well to get 10 pts against 47 yr old Mac :lol:

rottweily
Sep 3rd, 2006, 10:40 AM
I want to see John an Justine play together!

mykarma
Sep 3rd, 2006, 12:06 PM
Who says he 'feels a need'. He's just stating the truth. McEnroe was once the best player in the world. He has a right to his judgement. He isn't dissing the women's game. He just knows how good he is, even now.

The person who's dissing women is the person who uses phrase like 'prove something by beating a woman'. As if women can't ever be worthy opponents in an athletic endeavor.

In kung fu and karate, I've seen an awful lot of guys go into the ring against women with that attitude. And get beat down, kicked in the face and just generally trounced.
This is not the first time John has made that stupid statement. He also challenged Venus and Serena to a match and they totally ignored him, which is all he deserves. Makes me wonder what he has against women that he continues to want to challenge them. It's not the WTA's fault that he's past his heyday. If he wants attention, perhaps he can join the doubles tour like Martina did. IMO, John has some serious withdrawal ssues.

mykarma
Sep 3rd, 2006, 12:10 PM
Did McEnroe start talking about this bullshit again? I mean this topic is so ten years ago. It's time for John to go sit down somewhere and retire. :rolleyes:
My sentiments exactly.

Beny
Sep 3rd, 2006, 12:11 PM
It depends on which player.I think Justine and Sveta would beat him.
Although,I will show you a scan from a German tennis magazine where is written about Patty`s 63,61 loss to an ATP Player ranked 909.They played an exhibition match ON CLAY
i`M SCANNING..

mykarma
Sep 3rd, 2006, 12:11 PM
why doesn't John talk about beating the men??
Because even a guy ranked #300 would give John M
the beat down, forget about Federer or Roddick.

Why is he always talking about playing women?
If he wants to play women so bad, let his dumb azz
play mixed :rolleyes:
:lol::lol::lol:

Rachel_
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:15 PM
J-Mac's serve isnt all that fast and his speed isnt gonna be what is wasbut his groundies will be hard and consistant and net play very sharp.

Against a fit and healthy Serena i would say that would be a match for him a Crybas chracter would lose 0 and 0 and Lindsay too would lose prob like 3 and 1 but Serena who is physically stong has a big serve, alot of speed and powerful consistant groundies would have a decent shot at it.

spokenword73
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:43 PM
Excuse me but, this song has been played before. Ever heard of Battle of the Sexes? The then 55 year old Bobby Riggs challenged then women's world #1, and possibly the greatest female player of all time. He beat her 6-1, 6-2. Of course, Riggs was a former world #1, and multi-GS winner. But he was also 55.

McEnroe is only 47. And a far greater champ than Riggs. Whereas Mauresmo and Henin-Hardenne aren't close to as dominant as Court. And remember, McEnroe plays WTT, so he's actually familiar with the level of play of the current female players. No way McEnroe would win a Tier II tournament on the WTA tour. At his age, he can't recover fast enough. But ONE match. McEnroe over every player on the tour. Even Serena.

Bobby Riggs did not beat BJK in 1974. She mobbed the floor with him.


At 55, Mr. Riggs was no match for the 29-year-old King, who trounced him in consecutive sets, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3, before a crowd of 30,472 at the Houston Astrodome. An estimated 50 million people watched on television as King wore down the bespectacled Mr. Riggs with long rallies, while he retaliated with a combination of spins, drop shots and lobs. :bounce:

from the Washington Post 1995

croat123
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:45 PM
for comparison. my friend who is a division 1 ncaa player bagelled hantuchova in a practice set earlier this year

the average men's ncaa player could probably beat any of the wta players

Viktymise
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:46 PM
Vee and Serena could beat him

croat123
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:46 PM
Bobby Riggs did not beat BJK in 1974. She mobbed the floor with him.


At 55, Mr. Riggs was no match for the 29-year-old King, who trounced him in consecutive sets, 6-4, 6-3, 6-3, before a crowd of 30,472 at the Houston Astrodome. An estimated 50 million people watched on television as King wore down the bespectacled Mr. Riggs with long rallies, while he retaliated with a combination of spins, drop shots and lobs. :bounce:

from the Washington Post 1995
volcana wasn't talking about bjk, riggs played 2 battle of the sexes

the men's game has changed so much that bringing up the bjk match is kinda pointless now. the modern riggs would destroy the modern bjk

Andy.
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:47 PM
I think he would get beat by the likes of Masha, Serena, Lindsay, Kim, Justine

Paneru
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:52 PM
volcana wasn't talking about bjk, riggs played 2 battle of the sexes

the men's game has changed so much that bringing up the bjk match is kinda pointless now. the modern riggs would destroy the modern bjk

:lol:

Their has only and will ever
only be ONE BJK & Bobby Riggs!
KNOW THAT!

Nothing more than an insecure male in John MacEnroe
feeling the need to assert or justify whatever type of
so-called "Manhood" he has by wanting to play a woman.

If his sorry ass was all he thought he was,
then tell his ass to get back on the ATP Tour
in singles and do something!

Oh, sorry, he can't play with the
guys because he's missing apart of the
male anatomy, BALLS! :cool:

x Chu x
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:53 PM
I don't know if this a valid comparison but the women's mile world record is 4:12.56. My friend in high school can beat that. There are dozens of high school kids that can beat that time, and thousands of College kids that can beat that.

Arhivarius
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:53 PM
I was just watching John McEnroe on Center Court (a relitively new episode) and it is his belief that he can beat the top female players on the WTA Tour. :rolleyes: I personally think that he would be destroyed by even the likes of Jill Craybas. :tape: I don't even want to know what would happen if he played Amelie or Justine. :o

I'm sorry but you obviously do not know much about the tennis. :)
McEnroe recently beat handily Philipoussis, who was in the final of Wimbledon a couple of years ago. It was when they play Team Tennis, where Hingis played before her comeback. John still could play on ATP tour. He would be like average player of ATP tour then.
If he'd play Amelie or Justine, he'd double bagel them 10 times from 10.
Men's tennis is still very on very different level than women's tennis, although we love women tennis more. :D

I've read on the web also that one guy ( do not remember his name) who was something like 500th in ATP after a couple of beers easily beat both WS in a row. It wasn't official match like the "battle of the sexes", that's why probably it wasn't covered much in the media.

Paneru
Sep 3rd, 2006, 02:56 PM
I'm sorry but you obviously do not know much about the tennis. :)
McEnroe recently beat handily Philipoussis, who was in the final of Wimbledon a couple of years ago. It was when they play Team Tennis, where Hingis played before her comeback. John still could play on ATP tour. He would be like average player of ATP tour then.
If he'd play Amelie or Justine, he'd double bagel them 10 times from 10.
Men's tennis is still very on very different level than women's tennis, although we love women tennis more. :D

I've read on the web also that one guy ( do not remember his name) who was something like 500th in ATP after a couple of beers easily beat both WS in a row. It wasn't official match like the "battle of the sexes", that's why probably it wasn't covered much in the media.

Oh I see, a deflated male ego that can't handle being just "average" among
a sea of males so that's why he has to go after the women to act as if his ass is something.
What a sad little boy and still as insecure as he ever was.

That's what this really is all about!
The fact that the women's tour gets more media attention on the whole
and more nameable and recognizable stars gloabally. When the Sisters were
dominating is when you saw MacEnroe first start this bs.

Saw a piece on CNN about him and other "experts" talking about how they can make the men's tour and stars just as popular and recognizable as the women. He talked about how laymen could reel off a bunch of women's players but had no clue whom most in the top 10 of the men's tour were.

Bruised male ego. ;)

spokenword73
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:13 PM
volcana wasn't talking about bjk, riggs played 2 battle of the sexes

the men's game has changed so much that bringing up the bjk match is kinda pointless now. the modern riggs would destroy the modern bjk

oh...who was the other female player?

Oneofakind0490
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:24 PM
John would win. Do people not understnad the differences there is between the mens and womens game?

Dinkie
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:44 PM
John McEnroe is an idiot but a very likable one.

borisy
Sep 3rd, 2006, 03:49 PM
Even if what he says is right, what is he trying to prove? Hasn't he won enough slams in his career? I don't understand these people who still travel from city to city to play the seniors tour and make these kind of statements... Get a life.

Jakeev
Sep 4th, 2006, 01:00 AM
Headline news for everybody, Mcenroe won a doubles ATP title this year in San Jose, do you really think that, a Mcenroe that would be losing to any women, eg playing at a lower level than a girl would be able to win a doubles title on the ATP? :lol:

Do you remmember Mcenore and almost retiring Steffi beat Venus and Gilmestob 6-4 6-3 in mixed doubles in Wimbledon 1999, when the US team had won 2 mixed doubles titles in 1998?

I know its doubles, but anyway Mcenroe plays singles on the seniour tour there, and there is great level of players there Rios, Pioline, Courier, Ivanisevic, Musters and so on, and he is competitive on this tour.
Of course imagine the scenario, today Mcenroe would beat the women in power-consistency alone, lets not even talk about the serve and volley game, and so would most of his peers from the seniours tour.

Well then I will bet your house on him:D

mykarma
Sep 4th, 2006, 01:04 AM
:lol:

Their has only and will ever
only be ONE BJK & Bobby Riggs!
KNOW THAT!

Nothing more than an insecure male in John MacEnroe
feeling the need to assert or justify whatever type of
so-called "Manhood" he has by wanting to play a woman.

If his sorry ass was all he thought he was,
then tell his ass to get back on the ATP Tour
in singles and do something!

Oh, sorry, he can't play with the
guys because he's missing apart of the
male anatomy, BALLS! :cool:
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Paneru again.

Justine Fan
Sep 4th, 2006, 01:21 AM
I am saying that in today's game, a clever player will not beat a power player. Don't say that Justine or Amelie are clever, they are all-around players.

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bmwofoz
Sep 4th, 2006, 09:40 AM
someone asked who else did Biggs play.

Margaret Court.