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Zauber
Sep 2nd, 2006, 04:57 AM
Last year they both showed promise.
And then they both lost a lot of matches.
Now for the last two month Ivanovic has won just about all her matches.
She has won against all the other new stars.
She has lost to clijsters twice. Those I think were her only losses recently.
I think she moves much better than Ivanovic.
She beat Ivanovic recently.
I think she is better than Ivanovic now and in the future.
what do you think?
and honestly why?
please not just because you love one or the other.

Fingon
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:14 AM
no, she isn't.

Ivanovic lost to her, and she lost to Ivanovic before.

anyway, I don't judge players by the last few results, game wise Ivanovic is a lot better, Jankovic doesn't have Ana's weapons (serve, forehand).

For some reason people tend to overestimate other player's achievements and underestimate Ana's. When Ana beat Mauresmo it was because Mauresmo choked, when Vaidisova did it was because Vaidisova is great.

Jankovic has just only beaten Vaidisova, not Sharapova or Justine or Kim, she is having a good half of the year, good, not spectacular, Ana just won a tier 1, weak yes, but a tier 1, if Vaidisova had won it people here would be asking if she would be # 1 by the end of the year, with Ana, it's a fluke.

ZAK
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:19 AM
Ivanovic really has a complete game and I agree with Fingon, Ana is better. Jelena has a really great backhand and movement, but she is terribly inconsistent. She reminds me a lot of Myskina and could have a similiar career (although, in all likelihood, minus the slam). Ana has the serve, forehand, and backhand. Plus her movement is improving and even has a decent slice backhand now

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:22 AM
I definitely think Jankovic is mentally tougher than Ivanovic, but as far as potential and talent go...definitely Ivanovic. Peak Ivanovic beats peak Jankovic.

Wayn77
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:26 AM
I think if you combined the best bits of both of their games you would have a top 3 player. Ivanovic has the power and precision, has the more complete game, is tactically smarter and I would say mentally tougher. Jankovic is a better mover, has more variety and can change tactics during a match - and she doesn't mind a good dirty scrap.

G~Playa
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:38 AM
Ivanovic>>>>>>>Jankovic

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:39 AM
Ivanovic really has a complete game and I agree with Fingon, Ana is better. Jelena has a really great backhand and movement, but she is terribly inconsistent. She reminds me a lot of Myskina and could have a similiar career (although, in all likelihood, minus the slam). Ana has the serve, forehand, and backhand. Plus her movement is improving and even has a decent slice backhand now

I really think you're wrong about minus the slam.
Myskina might have played doubles but she didn't impliment anything she learned from it in her singles game.
Jankovic on the other hand does. She's very good at net and will come there on her terms or not on her terms. She knows what she's doing and she has a good sense of where the line of the ball is going to go.

She will be a slam winner in the next 4 years I believe.

I think Ana will also have a couple of slams at that time.
To me though Jelena is the smarter player on the court.
Ana has the weapons though.
Jelena has the fight, Ana has the want.

As we have seen from the AO final of 2005, sometimes fight can conquer want.

jbeacinu
Sep 2nd, 2006, 05:43 AM
ehhh I'd say Ivanovic is better

x Chu x
Sep 2nd, 2006, 06:21 AM
not even close ...ana > jankovic

Ferosh
Sep 2nd, 2006, 06:22 AM
Jelena is way better than Ana!

So Disrespectful
Sep 2nd, 2006, 06:53 AM
Jelena is better than Ana. Moves better, more consistent, better backhand, better physical conditioning. Big serve and big forehand (ie. Ana) does not = great player. Jankovic had some issues earlier this year and late last year, but prior and after she has barely lost a bad match. I expect her to continue this form, where as Ana could fall apart at any moment.

santhuruu
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:02 AM
Hmmm I don't know that. Ehm first of all I am really impressed by the games of these two young ladies, cause they play really good tennis. I think Jankovic is just that little bit better than Ivanovic, mainly because the net game of Jankovic is better than Ivanovic net game, but Ivanovic is working on it, because this year she played quite some doubles matches. Both groundies and serve and mentally toughness they are quite the same I think.

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:03 AM
I think if you combined the best bits of both of their games you would have a top 3 player. Ivanovic has the power and precision, has the more complete game, is tactically smarter and I would say mentally tougher. Jankovic is a better mover, has more variety and can change tactics during a match - and she doesn't mind a good dirty scrap.


yah.

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anyways. jankovic doesn't have as many WEAPONS as ivanovic, but she has better tennis sensibilities. i'll make a list

IVANOVIC
+More Powerful Groundstrokes
+Solid Serve
+Younger
+Long Term TV Fan Base: More People believe she is beautiful and has had more sponsorships
+Has had a better rank in the rankings for a while, and has recently won a Tier I
-Game can be predictable

JANKOVIC
+Better Mover / Defense
+Excellent Return of Service
+Shot and Game Style Variety
+Casual On Court Audience Fan Base: Better Crowd Pleaser
-Has School to worry about

The SAME
+relatively low errors
+decent volleys
+both are fashionable
+both have beaten top players, but havent beaten many consistently
+both have given top players trouble, but also have been smashed by them
+both have the belief they can be top 10, but both can choke and be streaky and lose belief DURING matches

Iono. At the moment, I'd say its pretty even. =)

IceSkaTennisFan
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:39 AM
ic ic ic :p

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:49 AM
yah.

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anyways. jankovic doesn't have as many WEAPONS as ivanovic, but she has better tennis sensibilities. i'll make a list

IVANOVIC
+Solid Serve
-Game can be predictable

JANKOVIC
+Excellent Return of Service

The SAME
+relatively low errors


I don't agree with these things. Ana has a very good. If she reach a first serve in of 65-70% then it's tough to break her. % at first serve win is always very high. The problem is that she mostly has 50% of first serve in and that's certainly not solid.

Ok Jankovic has excellent returns, but Ana does too. Especially against Srebotnik there was a great demonstration of it.

And about the errors. I can't call Ana's errors low. It's nice that she hits so many winners, but the errors are way too high.

Totally I think Ana is little bit further. I really see her in the top 10 and maybe higher. She's working very hard and the new coach helped a lot!
Jelena can go far too as she stays at the level and not the level from earlier this year.

Adal
Sep 2nd, 2006, 08:08 AM
I think they are on the same level

Rachel_
Sep 2nd, 2006, 08:25 AM
Both are great both have games to be top 10 no probs.

Ana has more potential than Jeca....but that dosent always count for much

BrokewingsPrince
Sep 2nd, 2006, 09:17 AM
Jankovic is better

Ferosh
Sep 4th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Jelena is way better than Ana!

I stand firm by my comments! :banana:

morningglory
Sep 4th, 2006, 05:54 PM
on current form? yes.

delicatecutter
Sep 4th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Serbia has two of the most talented girls in women's tennis!

I can't wait to see who makes the Top 10 first, but they'll both be there for a long time!! Ajde!!

mboyle
Sep 4th, 2006, 05:56 PM
I definitely think Jankovic is mentally tougher than Ivanovic, but as far as potential and talent go...definitely Ivanovic. Peak Ivanovic beats peak Jankovic.

No offense but that is just not true.

Ana has NEVER lost a lead. Not once in her entire career. She has lost a total of TWO matches in three years where she has won the first set.

Jankovic lost a 5-0 final set lead against Myskina, failed to serve it out against Venus...I could go on.

Ivanovic is a future slam winner. Jankovic...isn't.

Wayn77
Sep 4th, 2006, 05:57 PM
Jankovic has much more variety and flair.

Ivanovic has the more potential.

delicatecutter
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:02 PM
I feel Jankovic is just as talented as Myskina, who won a Slam. I feel she is way better than Vaidisova, who managed to make the SF of Roland Garros. I love me some Jeca.

Ana is just unbelievably talented. She has the best forehand in tennis and so much room for improvement!

Both girls are the future!!

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Jankovic is more intelligent on the court. You could see that in her match aganist Kuznetsova.

Ana also has a nice game that transitions well and has tremendous power.

If you look at it from a power-basis, Ana has more talent. But if you look at it from a tennis sensibility-basis, Jelena has more talent.

Its not saying much, but Jelena has wins over both Williams sisters whereas Ana has wins over the current #1 and Hingis.... I think Ana does better against those who hit softer balls and whose game isn't primarily about power such as Mauresmo and Hingis, where as Jankovic will do better against players whose games are primarily focused on power, such as Williams and Vaidisova.

So... its kind of like a rock paper scissors thing... plus another element lol. So...
--YOUNG SERB POWER > older, established variety/counterpuncher;
--older, established variety/counterpucher > YOUNG SERB VARIETY/COUNTERPUNCHER;
--YOUNG SERB VARIETY/COUNTERPUNCHER > older, established powwer;
--older, established power > YOUNG SERB POWER

JackFrost
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:08 PM
Aw, come on, guys. Not again this comparing of Ana and Jelena.
They are both strong player. At one time Ana has more luck and is in better form, next time it´s Jelena´s turn to make the headlines.

They are remember me sometime of Justine and Kim. But on a lower level of course.

:)
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:11 PM
No. Skill wise and hotness wise. :drool:

V-MAC
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:22 PM
No. Skill wise and hotness wise. :drool:

well I beg to differ on both counts ;) Janko :hearts:

CooCooCachoo
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:25 PM
Jankovic has much more variety and flair.

Ivanovic has the more potential.

I agree.

And Jankovic is more prone to have consistent results week in, week out.

:)
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:25 PM
well I beg to differ on both counts ;) Janko :hearts:
:lol: Ivanovic is WAY hotter. :D :hearts: :kiss:

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:28 PM
i think ivanovic is better, if not now, she will be the more accomplished player.

Asif_Nawaz
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:34 PM
jankovic

Corswandt
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Tricky question.

JJ is one of the fastest players and one of the best defenders on the Tour, and with her Myskina-ish BH she's not entirely weaponless. But one can't forget that in late May she was 1-10.

Still, I believe JJ has the potential to achieve more consistent results throughout her career. Consistent, as in reaching late stages of big tournaments, but then usually falling to Slam contenders. Nastya minus the GS, as somebody else pointed out upthread, may be a good analogy.

Ana may remain a streaky (assuming her victory on the depleted Montréal TI qualifies as a breakthrough/good streak) player throughout her career or not. I feel there's a chance she'll have a career like Kuznetsova, with whom she shares many good (big FH, big serve) and bad (impatience, poor movement, lack of fitness, lack of tactical savvy) traits: once a year, or once every two years, she'll come out with serve and FH blazing, blasting off the court everyone on her path no matter who, and play near perfect tennis to take a big title (which may or not be Slam), and then relapse back into inconsistency for a more or less lengthy period of time. This BTW, is what I believe will also happen with Nicole's future career - even more so in Nicole's case.

Of course Ana can also improve. But Sharapova's almost total lack of improvement in terms of shot variety over the past couple of years doesn't give me much hope. Yes, Ana and particularly Nicole have more raw "talent" and touch than Sharapova. But compared to JHH or Mauresmo the difference is not that big. Different degress of one-dimensionality.

What does this mean? That in the coming 2-4 years, whenever JHH is out of the picture due to injury, temporary burnout or any other reason, major titles will be up for grabs. If you felt some of the 2004 GS and major title winners were flukes, even random, wait until the next couple of seasons.

borisy
Sep 4th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Jelena is way better. People only say Ivanovic because they find her cute and beautiful.

DAVAJ MKirilenko
Sep 4th, 2006, 07:59 PM
Jelena is way better. People only say Ivanovic because they find her cute and beautiful.

That's really a reason to think Jelena is better. :rolleyes:

tennisvulture
Sep 4th, 2006, 08:21 PM
Jelena is on fire at this USO and I strongly believe that she will take Elena out of the tourney. Ana could not keep the momentum from Montreal and she barely won her first two matches just to bump into Serena who is a former champion and plays phenomenally well for a player who has been out for such a long time. That said, I think i'd gove the edge to Jelena based on this tourney, but i believe that Ana will achieve much more in the long run.
Bottomline, Serbian tennis, once again, after such a loooong draught (Seles and Dokic) has something to cheer about.

Martian KC
Sep 4th, 2006, 08:23 PM
I like Jelena's game much better.

tennisfan2480
Sep 4th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Well, let's look at facts:

Both are in best shape of their life (weight/conditioning/lots of recent big wins) ... but Jankovic is in the QF.

I like Ivanovic's game more. More firepower, more ability to hit winners. AND, she's only 18. Give her 2 years or so.

Jankovic, right now, for some reason ... is alot faster. And she is MUCH better at defending a point than Ana.

They are basically equal. One's weakness is the other's strength right now.

Dado
Sep 4th, 2006, 08:53 PM
I think both are good. But not constant.

selyoink
Sep 4th, 2006, 09:21 PM
I think Jelena is the better of the two. She can hit hard off both wings, is a better mover, and better thinker. Obviously Ana can hit harder but when she has bad days it is harder for her to battle out a win.

delicatecutter
Sep 4th, 2006, 09:26 PM
I've said it before, but Ana got the worst possible draw. :sad: It's not fair that she had to play Serena in the 3r. I think otherwise she would have had a great shot at QF. I'm happy that my girls Tati and Jelena made the QF, but I would have been ecstatic if BOTH Serena and Ana could have as well.

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 4th, 2006, 09:58 PM
What does this mean? That in the coming 2-4 years, whenever JHH is out of the picture due to injury, temporary burnout or any other reason, major titles will be up for grabs. If you felt some of the 2004 GS and major title winners were flukes, even random, wait until the next couple of seasons.


thats kind of unfair to all the other players to say cuz then you could say the same about this year's GS... last year's.... 2003's... 2002's... etc.
jhh doesn't own the GS tourneys. sure she's always dangerous but come on. wake up.

rada
Sep 5th, 2006, 01:29 AM
both are good players but ill have to say jelena

LeRoy.
Sep 5th, 2006, 01:30 AM
yes. She lacks in the class and looks dept though..

Corswandt
Sep 5th, 2006, 05:35 PM
thats kind of unfair to all the other players to say cuz then you could say the same about this year's GS... last year's.... 2003's... 2002's... etc.
jhh doesn't own the GS tourneys. sure she's always dangerous but come on. wake up.

JHH and Mauresmo and Clijsters then. All the rest are dark horses. And some will win Slams when the consistent contenders are sidelined, which may happen often in the coming 2-3 years, before other player(s) of the same class of those three I mention emerge. That's all I was saying.

Anyway, *bump* for a reassessment.

arslan2660
Sep 5th, 2006, 05:41 PM
DOn't know

manu32
Sep 5th, 2006, 05:42 PM
ivanovic....jankovic is too defensive

mboyle
Sep 5th, 2006, 05:53 PM
JHH and Mauresmo and Clijsters then. All the rest are dark horses. And some will win Slams when the consistent contenders are sidelined, which may happen often in the coming 2-3 years, before other player(s) of the same class of those three I mention emerge. That's all I was saying.

Anyway, *bump* for a reassessment.

Clijsters won't win another slam.

Corswandt
Sep 5th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Clijsters won't win another slam.

Maybe not, but she will prevent others from doing so.

Shvedbarilescu
Sep 5th, 2006, 06:23 PM
Right now, Jankovic is better than Ivanovic, that really can't be denied. I have a feeling Jelena might have the better career too. Most of those that say Ivanovic is better base their argument on the fact that Ana hits harder, as if hard hitting is the sole requirement for a great player. Not in my book.

ezekiel
Sep 5th, 2006, 06:57 PM
There is also something about being younger and less experienced and being able to grow but otherwise I agree

lee station
Sep 5th, 2006, 07:00 PM
Imo, people will tend to hype Ivanovic more than Jankovic

RAA
Sep 5th, 2006, 07:02 PM
interesting discussion.

I haven't seen quite enough of either of them to make a decision but they both impress me.

I think it will come down to mental toughness to determine who has the best career. who wants to win so badly they will leave it all out there? that is the mark of a champion. all these girls have physical talent.

we should revisit this thread in about 3 years..

tennisrox
Sep 6th, 2006, 05:05 AM
Tricky question.

JJ is one of the fastest players and one of the best defenders on the Tour, and with her Myskina-ish BH she's not entirely weaponless. But one can't forget that in late May she was 1-10.

Still, I believe JJ has the potential to achieve more consistent results throughout her career. Consistent, as in reaching late stages of big tournaments, but then usually falling to Slam contenders. Nastya minus the GS, as somebody else pointed out upthread, may be a good analogy.

Ana may remain a streaky (assuming her victory on the depleted Montréal TI qualifies as a breakthrough/good streak) player throughout her career or not. I feel there's a chance she'll have a career like Kuznetsova, with whom she shares many good (big FH, big serve) and bad (impatience, poor movement, lack of fitness, lack of tactical savvy) traits: once a year, or once every two years, she'll come out with serve and FH blazing, blasting off the court everyone on her path no matter who, and play near perfect tennis to take a big title (which may or not be Slam), and then relapse back into inconsistency for a more or less lengthy period of time. This BTW, is what I believe will also happen with Nicole's future career - even more so in Nicole's case.

Of course Ana can also improve. But Sharapova's almost total lack of improvement in terms of shot variety over the past couple of years doesn't give me much hope. Yes, Ana and particularly Nicole have more raw "talent" and touch than Sharapova. But compared to JHH or Mauresmo the difference is not that big. Different degress of one-dimensionality.


I kind of agree with you. But I think Ana has better hand-eye co-ordination than Sharapova so I do see her adding more shots.

There's one department where JJ has a big edge over Ivanovic, and that is raw speed, and economy of movement. She's got lovely fluid movement. She's got an excellent defensive game, and as she gets fitter she'll get better at grinding out wins when she's playing like crap. She's got a moderate amount of power and a terrific backhand to boot. She can retrieve anything and send it back with interest. Even her serve has improved.

About Ivanovic, i'm not sure about how consistent she'll be. Dangerous forehand and good timing, but she does have a tendency to arm the ball and her shoulder rotation isn't the greatest. She's faster than she used to be, but I don't see her getting that much quicker because she is so big. She does have good touch, and thats what she has to work on rather than just blasting the ball. As for her serve she really needs to work on that. I think this shot is a bit overrated. She doesn't have much variety and more or less tries to bang in flat serves, which is why her first serve percentage is so low. Its good when its going in, but because she doesn't use her shoulders enough that doesn't seem to happen often enough.

I agree with what you say about Nicole too. She does have an edge in terms of serve and movement, but she doesn't have great timing and hand-eye co-ordination which is why I don't see her adding much to her game. She'll improve a bit, but I think what we see now is what we'll get. Her groundstrokes aren't the most economical and her posture can be quite painful
(ivanovic scores over her here) so there is the problem of injuries to think about.

Bottom line I see JJ having a more consistent career than either of them, but I think Ivanovic will have more big wins than the other two.

JackWalker
Sep 6th, 2006, 05:54 AM
no. i think ana is better and a lot younger too.

Junex
Sep 6th, 2006, 07:32 AM
Its always fun to compare two people from the same country ain't it?
Its reminiscnt of when Kim & Justine when they started hitting it big.

Let's see:

Kim = Ana
hits harder, nice girl


Justine = Jelena
good court sense, very good backhand,perceived as villainous :devil:


the only thing to remember is that success is not what you are born with....
only time will tell...

but with the analogy above you would know who among the two i hoped for to have a better career....my ziggy!!!!

**Jelica**
Sep 6th, 2006, 08:07 AM
I think that Jeca can play at a higher level but Ana is more consistent.

Josh.
Sep 6th, 2006, 09:46 AM
yah.

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anyways. jankovic doesn't have as many WEAPONS as ivanovic, but she has better tennis sensibilities. i'll make a list

IVANOVIC
+More Powerful Groundstrokes
+Solid Serve
+Younger
+Long Term TV Fan Base: More People believe she is beautiful and has had more sponsorships
+Has had a better rank in the rankings for a while, and has recently won a Tier I
-Game can be predictable

JANKOVIC
+Better Mover / Defense
+Excellent Return of Service
+Shot and Game Style Variety
+Casual On Court Audience Fan Base: Better Crowd Pleaser
-Has School to worry about

The SAME
+relatively low errors
+decent volleys
+both are fashionable
+both have beaten top players, but havent beaten many consistently
+both have given top players trouble, but also have been smashed by them
+both have the belief they can be top 10, but both can choke and be streaky and lose belief DURING matches

Iono. At the moment, I'd say its pretty even. =)



:worship:

Ana&Jelena Fan
Sep 6th, 2006, 10:15 AM
yah.

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anyways. jankovic doesn't have as many WEAPONS as ivanovic (FALSE - JELENA HAS GOT MORE WHEAPONS, BUT ANA`S ARE STRONGER AND MORE DANGEREOUS), but she has better tennis sensibilities. i'll make a list

IVANOVIC
+More Powerful Groundstrokes - TRUE
+Solid Serve - TRUE
+Younger - TRUE
+Long Term TV Fan Base: More People believe she is beautiful and has had more sponsorships - TRUE, BUT THIS COULD BE DISATVANTAGE, SHE HAS BIGGER PREASSURE BECAUSE EVERYONE WATCH HER.
+Has had a better rank in the rankings for a while, and has recently won a Tier I - TRUE
-Game can be predictable - TRUE

+ GREAT FOREHAND (ONE OF THE BEST) + GREAT FACE

JANKOVIC
+Better Mover / Defense - TRUE
+Excellent Return of Service - TRUE
+Shot and Game Style Variety - TRUE
+Casual On Court Audience Fan Base: Better Crowd Pleaser - TRUE
-Has School to worry about - FALSE - YOU CAN FINISH HER "SCHOOL" WITHOUT LEARNING ONE SECOND, THIS IS "SCHOOL" FOR SPORTSMANS, MISSES, WORKERS AND I`M SURE SHE DOESN`T WORRY AT ALL, EVERYONE WHO PAYS GET DIPLOMA FROM THAT "SCHOOL".

+ GREAT BACKHAND (ONE OF THE BEST) + GREAT BODY

The SAME
+relatively low errors - FALSE - UE`S ARE ONE OF THE GREATEST ANA`S PROBLEMS
+decent volleys - TRUE
+both are fashionable - TRUE
+both have beaten top players, but havent beaten many consistently - TRUE
+both have given top players trouble, but also have been smashed by them - FALSE, JELENA WASN`T SMASHED WHEN SHE WASN`T IN 2006. 1ST HALF CRISES, ON THAT PERIOD SHE WAS SMASHED BY EVERYONE.
+both have the belief they can be top 10, but both can choke and be streaky and lose belief DURING matches - ANA BELEIVE SHE WOULD BE TOP10 IN FUTURE, JECA BELEIVES SHE CAN BE TOP10, TOP5 OR TOP1 NOW. aNA RESPECTS HER RIVALS, JECA DOESN`T RESPECT ANYONE. WHEN YOU WATCH ANA`S MATCH AFTER 2ND GAME YOU CAN BE SURE HOW THAT MATCH WILL BE ENDED, BUT JECA MADE SOME GREAT COMEBACKS LATELY (LAST YEAR SITUATION WAS COMPLETELY OPPOSIT).



Iono. At the moment, I'd say its pretty even. =) - AGREE

I added big letters and love them both. :hearts:

Just Do It
Sep 6th, 2006, 11:22 AM
i cant decide :help: