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Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 02:59 PM
Exactly the same thing happened to Andre Agassi in 1998. He started the year ranked 140 and returned to the top 15 by the end of 1998. He spent all of 1998 trying to climb the rankings and he consequently played each tournament like it was a grand slam, and played too many tournaments. He wore himself out and didn't peak for the slams, he lost early in all the slams in 1998 despite winning 6 tournaments. Then in 1999 he won the French Open, made the final of Wimbledon and won the US Open. He no longer concerned himself with winning every first tier tournament and he made sure he peaked for the slams.

This year Hingis didin't peak for the slams. She concerned herself with climbing the rankings and did a great job of that. However she played her best tennis too randomly and not in the slams. Next year she won't be chasing a top 10 ranking, cos she already will be in the top 10 and can therefore focus entirely on the slams. She can stay fresh close to the slams and she will make semis and finals in the slams and have a chance to win them. 2006 is the year she got her feet wet and probably reach top 6. 2007 will be her year to win slams.

jbeacinu
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:00 PM
It's because she is weak!

Pureracket
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:01 PM
I think I like the threadstarter better whe he's trolling the Serena threads.

Knizzle
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:01 PM
Yeah, it's because of her not hitting the ball big enough when another big hitter is hitting consistently.

Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:02 PM
She was weak because she played too much, and at the wrong times.

tennnisfannn
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:09 PM
Razzano isn't exactly a big babe, hingis just had a bad day, a very bad day indeed.

Martian Willow
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:12 PM
She couldn't handle the mighty power of Razzano or Sugiyama. :(

Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:12 PM
Razzano isn't exactly a big babe, hingis just had a bad day, a very bad day indeed.

Exactly. If she had played Razzano in Montreal it would been a Hingis victory. Its all about scheduling and also reading your body better. She may not have had the slam success but she's a top 10 and maybe even top 5 player in 2006 so next year its all about the slams.

gocanadago
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:14 PM
She didn't play too much! She played 15 tournaments, Mauresmo played 18 tournaments and she made Great performance in GS ,winning Wimbledon and AO. In general Martina didn't play a lot more than the other girls in the top 10.

SelesFan70
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:14 PM
Razzano isn't exactly a big babe, hingis just had a bad day, a very bad day indeed.

I agree. She could rally past 10 balls it seemed. :sad:

BUBI
Sep 1st, 2006, 03:26 PM
Exactly the same thing happened to Andre Agassi in 1998. He started the year ranked 140 and returned to the top 15 by the end of 1998. He spent all of 1998 trying to climb the rankings and he consequently played each tournament like it was a grand slam, and played too many tournaments. He wore himself out and didn't peak for the slams, he lost early in all the slams in 1998 despite winning 6 tournaments. Then in 1999 he won the French Open, made the final of Wimbledon and won the US Open. He no longer concerned himself with winning every first tier tournament and he made sure he peaked for the slams.

This year Hingis didin't peak for the slams. She concerned herself with climbing the rankings and did a great job of that. However she played her best tennis too randomly and not in the slams. Next year she won't be chasing a top 10 ranking, cos she already will be in the top 10 and can therefore focus entirely on the slams. She can stay fresh close to the slams and she will make semis and finals in the slams and have a chance to win them. 2006 is the year she got her feet wet and probably reach top 6. 2007 will be her year to win slams.
I agree.

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Matt01
Sep 1st, 2006, 04:33 PM
She didn't play too much! She played 15 tournaments, Mauresmo played 18 tournaments and she made Great performance in GS ,winning Wimbledon and AO.

Huh? I think you are talking about the last 12 months!? This year, Hingis played 16 tournaments, and Mauresmo played 13 (plus Fed Cup), US Open included, so of course Hingis played more than Mauresmo.
I think, though, that Hingis only played too much at the beginning of the year (Gold Coast, Sydney, Melbourne, Tokyo, Doha, Dubai, Indian Wells and Key Biscayne all within the first 3 months...).

Sam L
Sep 1st, 2006, 04:43 PM
I think she'll win the Australian and French Opens next year.

hosky
Sep 1st, 2006, 04:45 PM
I think pengshuai gave her so big a challenge that she became so tired to play any more

Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 07:59 PM
I agree.

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franny
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:04 PM
I like this explaination, and there is some truth behind it. I agree that Hingis looked tired and could be burned out for playing so much this entire year, especially since she hadn't played this much in three years. In fact, it is a lot of tennis to play out of nowhere. Hopefully next year she can learn to schedule her matches better, and MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, LEARN TO HIT BETTER SERVES AND USE HER VARIETY TO WIN MATCHES. She also needs to get her fitness and footspeed up. The good thing that comes out of this is that next year, she won't have that much points to defend the second half.

Adal
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:12 PM
I hope she won't win Rg, reach the finals of Wimbledon, and win Us open next season, but still don't think she will stay in the top 10

Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:12 PM
Yep regarding the serve, she has to find a way to remove her muscle memory of her current serve. I read an article saying that Molitor tried to redesign the service motion to get more power but Martina couldn't undo the memory of her lifelong technique. I hope she can change her serve cos it sounds doable and very profitable.

Marcus Jordan
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:14 PM
And I should also add that after Agassi won RG, finals of Wimby and won US Open 99 he also won Oz Open 2000 (beating Sampras in the semis). GO DRE!

skanky~skanketta
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:34 PM
It's because she is weak!lol!

SAEKeithSerena
Sep 1st, 2006, 08:50 PM
yeah...that's the reason. i mean it's not like she was outplayed right?!?

Marcus Jordan
Sep 2nd, 2006, 01:24 AM
An interview with: MARTINA HINGIS
Thursday, August 31, 2006

THE MODERATOR: Questions for Martina, please.
MARTINA HINGIS: Thank God there's not many people here anymore.

Q. Were you surprised to see her playing that well?
MARTINA HINGIS: Well, I think it's not only that she played well, but I didn't play good. I think I let her play well, and then she just, yeah, opened up, lost the fear, and played exceptional.
I mean, we know that she can play and beat some good players every now and then.

Q. Do you have an explanation for the reason why you were not playing so well tonight?
MARTINA HINGIS: Well, I think after yesterday I didn't have much more to give. I was a little flat and tired mentally. Just I don't know. Just wasn't feeling well. Wasn't my day. I don't know.....

Q. Did you ever think when you came back in January that you would be in the top 10 by the US Open?
MARTINA HINGIS: I was hoping for it, but if it's going to happen, I didn't know. I'm definitely happy after that was a huge match for me, playing Kuznetsova, making in the quarters in Montreal. After that, you know, still winning the semis where I don't think I was at the best after that night, but still winning somehow.
I went back home and, yeah, I don't know. It's just too much tennis. I mean, there's not much I can explain right now. I mean, it's just I wasn't as fresh mentally as I normally go into Grand Slams. It was a tough match yesterday, and coming out there today again and playing Virginie, she's not going to hand it to me, and she didn't.

Hingie
Sep 2nd, 2006, 06:28 AM
C'mon Hingis fans - wake up!

The fact of the matter is that Martina is not producing her best tennis consistently enough to contend the larger tournaments. When she plays passively, if the other player is on, she'll lose.

For some reason, she no longer has the ability to mix up her game when she needs it the most. When she's confident and aggressive she can handle anyone, but unfortunately she has only produced this tennis a handful of times in all of 2006.

Marcus Jordan
Sep 2nd, 2006, 06:57 AM
She can't play her best tennis all year as her stamina is different to what it was at age 20. Now she has to pace herself and use her energy for the slams instead of other tournaments. She hits the ball soft and plays indecisive at times because she is jaded. She is a 25-year-old that played tennis constantly from birth. Those years in retirement don't change the fact that she was the youngest winner of just about everything and that takes its toll later on.

fufuqifuqishahah
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:06 AM
Exactly the same thing happened to Andre Agassi in 1998. He started the year ranked 140 and returned to the top 15 by the end of 1998. He spent all of 1998 trying to climb the rankings and he consequently played each tournament like it was a grand slam, and played too many tournaments. He wore himself out and didn't peak for the slams, he lost early in all the slams in 1998 despite winning 6 tournaments. Then in 1999 he won the French Open, made the final of Wimbledon and won the US Open. He no longer concerned himself with winning every first tier tournament and he made sure he peaked for the slams.

This year Hingis didin't peak for the slams. She concerned herself with climbing the rankings and did a great job of that. However she played her best tennis too randomly and not in the slams. Next year she won't be chasing a top 10 ranking, cos she already will be in the top 10 and can therefore focus entirely on the slams. She can stay fresh close to the slams and she will make semis and finals in the slams and have a chance to win them. 2006 is the year she got her feet wet and probably reach top 6. 2007 will be her year to win slams.


nice analysis. she should williams sister it up and then the whole tour will get angry lol.

Marcus Jordan
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:12 AM
Speaking of Williams, my favorite win of 2006 was Hingis d Venus and also Hingis d Sharapova. I was really hoping for a Serena v Hingis showdown at the US. I'm getting the impression that despite the Williams power, Hingis knows more about Venus and Serena than anyone else on the tour. She knows exactly what she has to do to beat them. Whether she executes is another story but she looks more lost against the young power hitters than she ever did against Williams.

Veritas
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:32 AM
Exactly the same thing happened to Andre Agassi in 1998. He started the year ranked 140 and returned to the top 15 by the end of 1998. He spent all of 1998 trying to climb the rankings and he consequently played each tournament like it was a grand slam, and played too many tournaments. He wore himself out and didn't peak for the slams, he lost early in all the slams in 1998 despite winning 6 tournaments. Then in 1999 he won the French Open, made the final of Wimbledon and won the US Open. He no longer concerned himself with winning every first tier tournament and he made sure he peaked for the slams.

This year Hingis didin't peak for the slams. She concerned herself with climbing the rankings and did a great job of that. However she played her best tennis too randomly and not in the slams. Next year she won't be chasing a top 10 ranking, cos she already will be in the top 10 and can therefore focus entirely on the slams. She can stay fresh close to the slams and she will make semis and finals in the slams and have a chance to win them. 2006 is the year she got her feet wet and probably reach top 6. 2007 will be her year to win slams.

I don't think an overloading of tournaments is the problem. Part of the reason she lost early at Wimbledon was because she didn't play a leadup tournament, and she paid the price for it. And before she went on that four year break, Martina used to play a lot of tournaments during the hardcourt season. This year, she played in only two and even though she did well in Canada, I think a couple more tournaments would've been handy for match parctice purposes.

That said, I suspect Martina's thinning out her schedule because she doesn't want to defend too many points next year. It's a smart move - overload in one half of the season and thin it out in the next half; if all doesn't go as planned the next year, at least you can cram in more tournaments in either half of the year to make up for the lost points. Martina's gone through a 4-year hiatus, so I'm pretty sure she'd be much more careful how she schedules her year.

BrokewingsPrince
Sep 2nd, 2006, 09:19 AM
she is never the one in 1997.

saki
Sep 2nd, 2006, 10:53 AM
The 'she can't handle power' explanation is bullshit. She lost early at Wimbledon to Ai and at the U.S. to Razzano - either of them are exactly big power players.

jacksonGuy
Sep 2nd, 2006, 10:59 AM
im so mad she lost so early

Marcus Jordan
Sep 2nd, 2006, 11:25 AM
I miss 1997. Next year is its 10th anniversary :):):):):):):):):):)

Matt01
Sep 2nd, 2006, 03:49 PM
The 'she can't handle power' explanation is bullshit. She lost early at Wimbledon to Ai and at the U.S. to Razzano - either of them are exactly big power players.

I haven't seen much from the Hingis' Wimbledon loss, but I think that Razzano overpowered her a lot. Does this mean that my opinion is now bullshit? :rolleyes:

PLP
Sep 2nd, 2006, 07:25 PM
The 'she can't handle power' explanation is bullshit. She lost early at Wimbledon to Ai and at the U.S. to Razzano - either of them are exactly big power players.
Good point. VR played incredibly well, but the fact that Marti was slow, tired, uninspired, short on a lot of balls, and served worse than ever this year, gave the impression that her opponent had some amazing power, but she was really just taking advantage of a really off opponent :sad:

Martina played too much early in the year, she is mentally tired, and the physical tiredness has more to do with 6 hour of training a day, she just isn't used to it, and it was obvious she couldn't handle 2 tough matches in a row. As upsetting as this loss was, I am over it and I hope she is too. Her body and mind need a wek or so off and I hope she takes it. I think she will come back strong in her next tournaments and I still see her making the YEC.

lecciones
Nov 6th, 2006, 07:50 AM
Exactly the same thing happened to Andre Agassi in 1998. He started the year ranked 140 and returned to the top 15 by the end of 1998. He spent all of 1998 trying to climb the rankings and he consequently played each tournament like it was a grand slam, and played too many tournaments. He wore himself out and didn't peak for the slams, he lost early in all the slams in 1998 despite winning 6 tournaments. Then in 1999 he won the French Open, made the final of Wimbledon and won the US Open. He no longer concerned himself with winning every first tier tournament and he made sure he peaked for the slams.

This year Hingis didin't peak for the slams. She concerned herself with climbing the rankings and did a great job of that. However she played her best tennis too randomly and not in the slams. Next year she won't be chasing a top 10 ranking, cos she already will be in the top 10 and can therefore focus entirely on the slams. She can stay fresh close to the slams and she will make semis and finals in the slams and have a chance to win them. 2006 is the year she got her feet wet and probably reach top 6. 2007 will be her year to win slams.

OMG GODbless her!!! Go Roland Garros get that title!!! :)

lecciones
Nov 6th, 2006, 07:52 AM
I hope she won't win Rg, reach the finals of Wimbledon, and win Us open next season, but still don't think she will stay in the top 10

wow what a comment. id say all the opposite for her! Go Martina get all those titles (and for almost all except one: again)!

lecciones
Nov 6th, 2006, 07:57 AM
It's because she is weak!

Well she wasnt so weak when she was No.1 for 209 weeks. But todays game is obviously ALMOST all about power. I hope that changes though. Martina can do power but not sustained power within the match or even a rally. One day through some training I hope she can at least deal with something like a charging serena (omg i can just imagine the power) or a screaming sharapova (i think you can hear it now). Oh yeah, besides she doesnt need all the power, she retrieves the ball and moves around the court plus her court sense... gives her more time to get those cannon balls.