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pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:59 PM
;)

I actually quite like Beyonce, but i think that "deja vu" song is hilarious. ok, so she pronounces it so it would rhyme (sic?) easier, but it means something entirely different.

Sorry for nagging. just thought i'd get this off my chest. WTAWOrld seemed the perfect place for it :p

Beat
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:02 PM
i'm not so surprised, because ... remember her oscars performance? ;)

-Em-
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:05 PM
yeah, i find it pretty hilarious too...i mean how ignorant do you have to be to pronounce it like deja 'voo'? :shrug:

and i guess i missed the oscars performance...is it worth watching? :p

tfannis
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:10 PM
Well pronounciation is one thing, but a wrong translation of something as easy as "I'm sorry" is worse imo :lol: Huh Madonna? :p

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:12 PM
wigglytuff say: you can not explain to a fruit fly how to pronounce "deja vu", so one should not try to explain to someone with the IQ of a fruit fly how to pronounce "deja vu".

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:16 PM
i'm not saying she's stupid per se, i'm just thinking: there must be someone in her entourage (another french word ;) ) wo knows some french and tells her it's a little awkward ;)

@tfannis: "ik ben droevik :sad:" ;)

Knizzle
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:17 PM
What's the correct pronunciation??

harloo
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:24 PM
Geesh, I know folks hate Beyonce but if you are going to require her to pronouce every word properly then you might as well shut down the music industry. I can think of many artists who do the exact same thing.:o

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:31 PM
Geesh, I know folks hate Beyonce but if you are going to require her to pronouce every word properly then you might as well shut down the music industry. I can think of many artists who do the exact same thing.:o
right, but some of us LIKE those other artists. :lol: :lol: :devil:

CanadianBoy21
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:40 PM
Saw her video yesterday for the first time :lol:
I was in the gym running and couldn't hear the music on the tv (thank god), but she simply looked ridiculous. Dancing like a monkey and looking constipated. Then suddenly, she was not a monkey, but an owl, or was it a hawk? Anyway, then she suddenly started to flutter around her arms, which made me think, hmmm, a large bird of some kind.
My conclusion, it made me laugh.

nbaker53
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:46 PM
Wait I couldn't really tell when I listened to it...

Does she prounce the ja as j-uh or as it should be, j-ah?

njnetswill
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:51 PM
I believe almost all Americans pronounce it "voo". It is one of those French phrases that has morphed into "English". Like Champagne and Filet Mignon and Coup E'Tat. :lol:

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:52 PM
Geesh, I know folks hate Beyonce but if you are going to require her to pronouce every word properly then you might as well shut down the music industry. I can think of many artists who do the exact same thing.:o
Ok now, sorry but this i stotally untrue.
i really DO LIKE beyonce.
She just uses ONE french expression in the whole song, why shouldn't she pronounce it correctly, if you speak another language, don't you want to pronounce it correctly? :shrug:

the "Déjà" is actually quite OK, it's just the "vu" that she pronouces as "voo", which is "vouz" in french, which mean "you". While "Vu" means "seen". so "déjà vu" means "seen before". What she's singing now mean "already you" or something.

It should be pronounce a bit like the "ue" in fuel. Sharper ù, not "oo".

What's wrong with pronouncing words the way they should be pronounced?

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:53 PM
I believe almost all Americans pronounce it "voo". It is one of those French phrases that has morphed into "English". Like Champagne and Filet Mignon and Coup E'Tat. :lol:
Coup d'Etat ;)

Knizzle
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Ok now, sorry but this i stotally untrue.
i really DO LIKE beyonce.
She just uses ONE french expression in the whole song, why shouldn't she pronounce it correctly, if you speak another language, don't you want to pronounce it correctly? :shrug:

the "Déjà" is actually quite OK, it's just the "vu" that she pronouces as "voo", which is "vouz" in french, which mean "you". While "Vu" means "seen". so "déjà vu" means "seen before". What she's singing now mean "already you" or something.

It should be pronounce a bit like the "ue" in fuel. Sharper ù, not "oo".

What's wrong with pronouncing words the way they should be pronounced?

So is it an expression in France if it's literally translated or is it just an expression in the US??!!

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:58 PM
Ok now, sorry but this i stotally untrue.
i really DO LIKE beyonce.
She just uses ONE french expression in the whole song, why shouldn't she pronounce it correctly, if you speak another language, don't you want to pronounce it correctly? :shrug:

the "Déjà" is actually quite OK, it's just the "vu" that she pronouces as "voo", which is "vouz" in french, which mean "you". While "Vu" means "seen". so "déjà vu" means "seen before". What she's singing now mean "already you" or something.

It should be pronounce a bit like the "ue" in fuel. Sharper ù, not "oo".

What's wrong with pronouncing words the way they should be pronounced?
in harloo's defense and really the defense of most americans. for whatever the reason a lot non-english words dont really get pronounced as they should, hell a good deal of ENGLISH words dont get pronounced as they should be (NYC's "water" comes to mind which is always pronounced as "wahh-da"). i dont think its something that you should rationally be offended by.

that said: i still dont like beyonce and still think the girl is as bright as a broken light-bulb.

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:58 PM
So is it an expression in France if it's literally translated or is it just an expression in the US??!!
no no it's an expression in french too. something like "seen before"
déjà = already, before, ...
vu= form of the verb "voir"= seen

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:01 PM
in harloo's defense and really the defense of most americans. for whatever the reason a lot non-english words dont really get pronounced as they should, hell a good deal of ENGLISH words dont get pronounced as they should be (NYC's "water" comes to mind which is always pronounced as "wahh-da"). i dont think its something that you should rationally be offended by.

that said: i still dont like beyonce and still think the girl is as bright as a broken light-bulb.
hello-o! i am not "offende" at all. french isn't even my mothertongue; but just admit it, if you make a song with a french expression, only ONE, why not pronounce it correctly, specially if it mean something totally different.

i would be like someone pronouncing "smile" like "smell". Imagine some french artist singing I love it when you smell; i mean, that would be funny and stupid, No?

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:05 PM
hello-o! i am not "offende" at all. french isn't even my mothertongue; but just admit it, if you make a song with a french expression, only ONE, why not pronounce it correctly, specially if it mean something totally different.

i would be like someone pronouncing "smile" like "smell". Imagine some french artist singing I love it when you smell; i mean, that would be funny and stupid, No?
woahhhhhhhhhhhhh

i think i am gone from this thread you are taking this way too personally / seriously and its a little disturbing. :bolt: its just a fucking word dude. thats all. just like wahh-da and all the rest.

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:07 PM
woahhhhhhhhhhhhh

i think i am gone from this thread you are taking this way too personally / seriously and its a little disturbing. :bolt: its just a fucking word dude. thats all. just like wahh-da and all the rest.
:lol:
don't worry i'm not taking this personnaly at all.
said what i wanted to say; you keep insisting I feel offende, but I don't :lol:
it's just funny and kinda silly she pronounces it wrong. that's all. no more, no less. :wavey: I'm not crying or anything ;)

controlfreak
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Of course déja vu is French and French people pronouce it déja vu.

But the use of the term is so common in English that it has become acceptable to pronounce it day-zha-voo.

If I met an English speaker who went around saying déja vu in the French way, I would think they were a fucking idiot.

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:13 PM
If I met an English speaker who went around saying déja vu in the French way, I would think they were a fucking idiot.
cool :yeah:

Apoleb
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:18 PM
Deja Vu is originally a French term, but it has been incorporated in the English language, and so it doesn't have to be pronounced in the French way when you're speaking English. You don't pronounce 'u' in English as you do in "tu" for example in French. It's quite a popular term anyway in the US, and my professor used to use it very frequently and he would pronounce it the same way as Beyonce.

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:22 PM
ok, so maybe I'm the only person who thinks it's silly then.
i'm not saying it's a crime, just sounds silly because it means something else. :shrug:
Who cares if it's incorportaed in english??

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:24 PM
I pronounce it "Day-ja view" :)

Knizzle
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:26 PM
ok, so maybe I'm the only person who thinks it's silly then.
i'm not saying it's a crime, just sounds silly because it means something else. :shrug:
Who cares if it's incorportaed in english??

Bashing her for using her native tongue?? French is not her native tongue, maybe something was lost in translation [/Euro excuses]

;)

-Em-
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:26 PM
Deja Vu is originally a French term, but it has been incorporated in the English language, and so it doesn't have to be pronounced in the French way when you're speaking English. You don't pronounce 'u' in English as you do in "tu" for example in French. It's quite a popular term anyway in the US, and my professor used to use it very frequently and he would pronounce it the same way as Beyonce.

interesting theory :rolleyes: never heard it before...i think you should pronounce it correctly like the french do, otherwise, just like pigam pointed out, you're saying something totally else :shrug:

Apoleb
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:35 PM
interesting theory :rolleyes: never heard it before...i think you should pronounce it correctly like the french do, otherwise, just like pigam pointed out, you're saying something totally else :shrug:

hmm, it's not a "theory." By your logic then, every term in the English language that was taken from another language, should be pronounced like it's in the original language. So now, from then on, you should pronounce "algebra" like it's in the Arabic language or you would sound silly. :tape:

Like I said, Deja Vu is now also an English term, and would be pronounced in the English way when you're speaking English. Just like the French incorporated "leader" into their vocabularly and pronounce it "leadeur." It's hard for people to adapt their accents, especially when you're talking about Anglophones pronouncing "u" as it is in "tu." Next!

Wiggly
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Well pronounciation is one thing, but a wrong translation of something as easy as "I'm sorry" is worse imo :lol: Huh Madonna? :p

Je suis désolé. It's the correct translation? :) :confused:

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:04 PM
unfortunately, thats how all brits and americans pronounce it. im a brit and i do that even though i know its wrong just because i think people would laugh if i frenchified it :lol:

but yeah, i know what you mean :)

mirzalover
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:10 PM
so it's not deja voo it's deja vu o.k could somebody tell me how to say the VU part becasue i am so confused right now.

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:15 PM
so it's not deja voo it's deja vu o.k could somebody tell me how to say the VU part becasue i am so confused right now.
its a sharper sound. beyonce says it like voo like hoover

it should be saif like vu like the 'u' sound in feul

its hard to explain :lol:

controlfreak
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:26 PM
hmm, it's not a "theory." By your logic then, every term in the English language that was taken from another language, should be pronounced like it's in the original language. So now, from then on, you should pronounce "algebra" like it's in the Arabic language or you would sound silly. :tape:

:worship:

Contemplate
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Perhaps, Beyonce really is pronouncing it correct...

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/deja+vu

Contemplate
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:59 PM
Er...let me try this again...

Perhaps, Beyonce really is pronouncing it correctly...

http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/entry/deja+vu

nbaker53
Aug 24th, 2006, 07:14 PM
I pronounce it "Day-ja view" :)

Now I know that's wrong :o

tfannis
Aug 24th, 2006, 07:14 PM
Je suis désolé. It's the correct translation? :) :confused:

Yeah, she got it right in French, but in Dutch she's saying 'Ik ben droevig', which means 'I'm sad' ;) :help:

Wiggly
Aug 24th, 2006, 07:23 PM
Yeah, she got it right in French, but in Dutch she's saying 'Ik ben droevig', which means 'I'm sad' ;) :help:

Oh.! :lol:

le bon vivant
Aug 24th, 2006, 07:31 PM
ok, so maybe I'm the only person who thinks it's silly then.
i'm not saying it's a crime, just sounds silly because it means something else. :shrug:
Who cares if it's incorportaed in english??

No, you're not. ;):p
But Im sure Beyonce thinks shes actually saying it right, she didnt do that shit just so it could rhyme. :tape::lol::help:
And if you think about the lyrics/video, the song really has NOTHING to do with any kind of deja-vu, does it? :o:o Bee = sofa king stew bed! :sad: Nice girl, though. I really like her.

le bon vivant
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:15 PM
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=016D1879154CECE7

I uploaded 5 tracks from the album. :unsure:

samn
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:19 PM
Yeah, Beyonce does sound extremely vapid in her interviews, but she's always seemed like a very polite girl who knows and understands the worth of good manners. I can't help but like her.

rebel_ffighter
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:55 PM
Saw her video yesterday for the first time :lol:
I was in the gym running and couldn't hear the music on the tv (thank god), but she simply looked ridiculous. Dancing like a monkey and looking constipated. Then suddenly, she was not a monkey, but an owl, or was it a hawk? Anyway, then she suddenly started to flutter around her arms, which made me think, hmmm, a large bird of some kind.
My conclusion, it made me laugh.

OMG yes...I wonder how she(and unfortunately some people) consider it a sexy dancing?!Whenever I bump into this video I intentionally switch channel cause it is so ridiculous to watch,she acts like crazy :lol: :help:

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:18 PM
Yeah, she got it right in French, but in Dutch she's saying 'Ik ben droevig', which means 'I'm sad' ;) :help:
i put it through a translator and apparently it does mean "i am sorry"

http://www.freetranslation.com/

do you speak dutch? the translator must be stupid :lol:

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:20 PM
thats really weird!!! when i put "i am sorry" into the translator it translates to "ik ben droevig" and when i put "ik ben droevig" into the translator it translates to "i am sad" :confused:

how do you say i am sorry in dutch?

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:31 PM
thats really weird!!! when i put "i am sorry" into the translator it translates to "ik ben droevig" and when i put "ik ben droevig" into the translator it translates to "i am sad" :confused:

how do you say i am sorry in dutch?
the funny thing is madonna prolly used the same translator without doing a double chack. it's just plain wrong. nothing more, nothing less.
in dutch it should be "Het spijt me" or just "sorry" ;) of if you want to be polite "excuseer" :p

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:33 PM
the funny thing is madonna prolly used the same translator without doing a double chack. it's just plain wrong. nothing more, nothing less.
in dutch it should be "Het spijt me" or just "sorry" ;) of if you want to be polite "excuseer" :p

oh right thanks for letting me know :)

she prolly did use the same translator - i wouldnt be surprised at all. unless the translator changed it because they heard the song and thought "shit!" :haha:

Josh
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:33 PM
thats really weird!!! when i put "i am sorry" into the translator it translates to "ik ben droevig" and when i put "ik ben droevig" into the translator it translates to "i am sad" :confused:

how do you say i am sorry in dutch?

I'm sorry in Dutch is "het spijt me" which is used when you did something wrong and ask to be forgiven.

I'm sorry can also be translated as "ik ben droevig" but than it means that you feel down.


BTW déjà vu in English is really ponounced like deja voo.

<!Society!>
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:40 PM
fuckinell.

some people really have no lives...... who cares how she says it? i know that as a common expression over here we pronounce it "deja voo".

shes the one whos probably gonna get a number 1 with it so im sure she really isnt that assed, so why should anyone else be so arsed about how she pronounces words?

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:40 PM
I'm sorry in Dutch is "het spijt me" which is used when you did something wrong and ask to be forgiven.

I'm sorry can also be translated as "ik ben droevig" but than it means that you feel down.


BTW déjà vu in English is really ponounced like deja voo.
in an english dictionnary the phonetical writing (which, I admit, am not familiar with) of the "U" in VU is different from the OO in e.g; cool, yet beyonce pronounces it the same way :p

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:41 PM
fuckinell.

some people really have no lives...... who cares how she says it? i know that as a common expression over here we pronounce it "deja voo".

shes the one whos probably gonna get a number 1 with it so im sure she really isnt that assed, so why should anyone else be so arsed about how she pronounces words?
:lol: you think i have no life because i care for the pronounciation of words? :lol: fine, I have no life then. I feel so sad now :lol:

Josh
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:52 PM
in an english dictionnary the phonetical writing (which, I admit, am not familiar with) of the "U" in VU is different from the OO in e.g; cool, yet beyonce pronounces it the same way :p

The pronunciation is probably different in the various regional tongues of English but I think in most of the US it is pronounced like that.
This is from an online dictionary (with audio file) : http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/deja%20vu

Paul.
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:53 PM
omg!! i just thought, this thread reminds me of the time when george bush said "the french dont have a word for entrepreneur!!" trying to say they were no good at independant business or something. how stupid can you possibly be?! :haha:

saki
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:02 PM
The Fairport Convention song "si tu dois partir" is one of my favourite songs partly because the French accent of the singer is just :haha:

Pigam should listen to it. :P

pigam
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:05 PM
The Fairport Convention song "si tu dois partir" is one of my favourite songs partly because the French accent of the singer is just :haha:

Pigam should listen to it. :P
Oh, i will. maybe it could brighten up my sad life :banana: ;)

mapaliey
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:09 PM
forget about Be"yonD"CEEE...christina is No.1........

Diam's
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:28 PM
Oh, i will. maybe it could brighten up my sad life :banana: ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7kCveKXXf4

Josh
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:30 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7kCveKXXf4

:o
I could only understand the first sentence....

...though it was a good performance and I'll just pretend she was singing in Polynesian which is also part of France.

hablo
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:59 PM
It should be pronounce a bit like the "ue" in fuel. Sharper ù, not "oo".

What's wrong with pronouncing words the way they should be pronounced?
You're good, I would have never thought of that word to explain the 'u' sound in french :worship:

tfannis
Aug 25th, 2006, 10:09 AM
i put it through a translator and apparently it does mean "i am sorry"

http://www.freetranslation.com/

do you speak dutch? the translator must be stupid :lol:

Trust me, Dutch is my mothertongue :lol: 'I am sorry' = 'het spijt me' in Dutch; 'Ik ben droevig' = 'I'm sad' ;)

gentenaire
Aug 25th, 2006, 11:15 AM
Deja-voo is not that bad. I think the use of the word Entree for main course is far more confusing. Last time I was in the US, I kept on looking for the main courses on the menus but only found the starters.

ceiling_fan
Aug 25th, 2006, 11:51 AM
The pronounciation for U is:

....

Put your lips in the position they should be in when you are saying "You" and then try to say 'Ee' whilst keeping that position

saki
Aug 25th, 2006, 11:52 AM
Deja-voo is not that bad. I think the use of the word Entree for main course is far more confusing. Last time I was in the US, I kept on looking for the main courses on the menus but only found the starters.

I know! What's up with that? It's really damn confusing. Even now that I know what they mean by it, I still keep assuming that it means what it does in French.

controlfreak
Aug 25th, 2006, 11:54 AM
Put your lips in the position they should be in when you are saying "You" and then try to say 'Ee' whilst keeping that position

very clever, I like it! :worship:

Martian KC
Aug 25th, 2006, 01:27 PM
It is a commonly used phrase in America, so sadly everything including pronunciation and definition gets lost.:rolleyes:

Sam L
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:49 PM
Correct me if I'm wrong but vu in French is like... vooh? Whereas vous is voo?

I was taught French u is like "ooh" with rounded lips. Is it true?

~CANUCK~
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:39 PM
Thats nothing, you should hear the way americans and some canadians say foyer. They say it as foy-er when it should be said as foy-eh or foy-a. That drives me nuts.

Giuliano
Aug 25th, 2006, 05:13 PM
This is how you should prononce the "u" in French: http://clicnet.swarthmore.edu/rire/abcde/abcd/u.mov

It is hard to describe how you should pronounce "u"... your lips should be in the same position as when you pronounce "o", but your mouth has to be closed a bit more, and your tongue closer to your palate.

fifiricci
Aug 25th, 2006, 05:38 PM
I believe almost all Americans pronounce it "voo". It is one of those French phrases that has morphed into "English". Like Champagne and Filet Mignon and Coup E'Tat. :lol:

Wasn't it the oh so intelligent George W Bush who said something hysterically daft along the lines of "the French must be rubbish at commerce because they don't have word for entrepreneur"? :lol:

fifiricci
Aug 25th, 2006, 05:41 PM
And I have to say I also feel gutted whenever I hear that lovely ditty from the Sound of Music, "So long farewell". The bit when the try to make "adieu" rhyme with "you". Instead of saying "yoo" they say something like "year". I mean, what a rip off! :p

!<blocparty>!
Aug 25th, 2006, 05:50 PM
Is this thread still going on? I say Day-zsha-voo, and don't really care what the correct pronounciation is.

:shrug:

PointBlank
Aug 25th, 2006, 05:54 PM
Its exactly how every other American says it.

I dont understand the big deal. :shrug:

Maajken
Aug 26th, 2006, 09:24 AM
in an english dictionnary the phonetical writing (which, I admit, am not familiar with) of the "U" in VU is different from the OO in e.g; cool, yet beyonce pronounces it the same way :p

well, i happen to be very familiar with phonetics :p and i can tell you the "u" in déjà vu en cool are the same in standard english (and my pronunciation dictionary agrees with me). vu = ['vu:] or ['vju:] (they do add the french variant [vy]) and cool = [ku:l]

so there ya go

V.Melb
Aug 26th, 2006, 01:02 PM
French cannot seem to pronounce ANYTHING correctly in english... they are sometimes so bad they cannot be comprehended... but we dont take the piss out of them.

Yet we should feel embarassed and humiliated for not being able to pronounce a few of their phrases?! gimme a break!

Wigglytuff
Aug 26th, 2006, 01:16 PM
French cannot seem to pronounce ANYTHING correctly in english... they are sometimes so bad they cannot be comprehended... but we dont take the piss out of them.

Yet we should feel embarassed and humiliated for not being able to pronounce a few of their phrases?! gimme a break!
yep!

beyonce is still annoying as all hell. :lol: :lol:

bis2806
Aug 26th, 2006, 02:02 PM
Saw her video yesterday for the first time :lol:
I was in the gym running and couldn't hear the music on the tv (thank god), but she simply looked ridiculous. Dancing like a monkey and looking constipated. Then suddenly, she was not a monkey, but an owl, or was it a hawk? Anyway, then she suddenly started to flutter around her arms, which made me think, hmmm, a large bird of some kind.
My conclusion, it made me laugh.

My thoughts exactly!!!

public schoolboy
Aug 26th, 2006, 05:14 PM
Personally I wouldn’t care if she sounded like a cat being nuitered without anaesthetic!

She's a lovely lady and she says Deja-vu just like I do.:) And that's all that matters!