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Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:36 AM
If you google "Raed" and "Jet Blue", you get a couple of hundred hits on this incident. I also called Jet Blue and asked, and they confirm this event took place, and that the reason was that the man was wearing a shirt with Arabic lettering.

It has been said, more than once, that Americans will lose their freedoms not through military defeat, but because cowards will give away our freedoms in the name of 'security'.
http://prorev.com/2006/08/jet-blue-tsa-prevent-man-from-boarding.htm

Tuesday, August 22, 2006

JET BLUE, TSA PREVENT MAN FROM BOARDING PLANE WITH T-SHIRT THAT SAYS 'WE WILL NOT BE SILENT' IN ENGLISH, ARABIC
(http://raedinthemiddle.blogspot.com/2006/08/back-from-mideast.html)
RAED JARRAR, RAED IN THE MIDDLE - I went to JFK in the morning to catch my Jet Blue plane to California. I reached Terminal 6 at around 7:15 am, issued a boarding pass, and checked all my bags in, and then walked to the security checkpoint. For the first time in my life, I was taken to a secondary search. My shoes were searched, and I was asked for my boarding pass and ID. After passing the security, I walked to check where gate 16 was, then I went to get something to eat. I got some cheese and grapes with some orange juice and I went back to Gate 16 and sat down in the boarding area enjoying my breakfast and some sunshine.

At around 8:30, two men approached me while I was checking my phone. One of them asked me if I had a minute and he showed me his badge, I said: "sure". We walked some few steps and stood in front of the boarding counter where I found out that they were accompanied by another person, a woman from Jet Blue.

One of the two men who approached me first, Inspector Harris, asked for my id card and boarding pass. I gave him my boarding pass and driver's license. He said "people are feeling offended because of your t-shirt". I looked at my t-shirt: I was wearing my shirt which states in both Arabic and English "we will not be silent". You can take a look at it in this picture taken during our Jordan meetings with Iraqi MPs. I said "I am very sorry if I offended anyone, I didn't know that this t-shirt will be offensive". He asked me if I had any other T-shirts to put on, and I told him that I had checked in all of my bags and I asked him "why do you want me to take off my t-shirt? Isn't it my constitutional right to express myself in this way?" The second man in a greenish suit interfered and said "people here in the US don't understand these things about constitutional rights". So I answered him "I live in the US, and I understand it is my right to wear this t-shirt".

Then I once again asked the three of them : "How come you are asking me to change my t-shirt? Isn't this my constitutional right to wear it? I am ready to change it if you tell me why I should. Do you have an order against Arabic t-shirts? Is there such a law against Arabic script?"

So inspector Harris answered "you can't wear a t-shirt with Arabic script and come to an airport. It is like wearing a t-shirt that reads "I am a robber" and going to a bank". I said "but the message on my t-shirt is not offensive, it just says "we will not be silent". I got this t-shirt from Washington DC. There are more than a 1000 t-shirts printed with the same slogan, you can google them or email them at wewillnotbesilent@gmail.com . It is printed in many other languages: Arabic, Farsi, Spanish, English, etc."

Inspector Harris said: "We cant make sure that your t-shirt means we will not be silent, we don't have a translator. Maybe it means something else". I said: "But as you can see, the statement is in both Arabic and English". He said "maybe it is not the same message". So based on the fact that Jet Blue doesn't have a translator, anything in Arabic is suspicious because maybe it'll mean something bad!

Meanwhile, a third man walked in our direction. He stood with us without introducing himself, and he looked at inspector Harris's notes and asks him: "is that his information?" Inspector Harris answered "yes." The third man, Mr. Harmon, asks inspector Harris : "Can I copy this information?", and inspector Harris says "yes, sure".

Inspector Harris said: "You don't have to take of your t-shirt, just put it on inside-out." I refused to put on my shirt inside-out. So the woman interfered and said "let's reach a compromise. I will buy you a new t-shirt and you can put it on top of this one". I said "I want to keep this t-shirt on". Both inspector Harris and Mr. Harmon said "No, we can't let you get on that airplane with your t-shirt." I said "I am ready to put on another t-shirt if you tell me what is the law that requires such a thing. I want to talk to your supervisor." Inspector Harris said "You don't have to talk to anyone. Many people called and complained about your t-shirt. Jet Blue customers were calling before you reached the checkpoint, and customers called when you were waiting here in the boarding area".

It was then that I realized that my t-shirt was the reason why I had been taken to the secondary checking.

I asked the four people again to let me talk to any supervisor, and they refused.

The Jet Blue woman was asking me again to end this problem by just putting on a new t-shirt, and I felt threatened by Mr. Harmon's remarks as in "Let's end this the nice way". Taking in consideration what happens to other Arabs and Muslims in US airports, and realizing that I will miss my flight unless I covered the Arabic script on my t-shirt as I was told by the four agents, I asked the Jet Blue woman to buy me a t-shirt and I said "I don't want to miss my flight."

She asked, what kind of t-shirts do you like. Should I get you an "I heart New York t-shirt?". So Mr. Harmon said "No, we shouldn't ask him to go from one extreme to another". I asked Mr. Harmon why does he assume I hate New York if I had some Arabic script on my t-shirt, but he didn't answer.

The woman went away for three minutes, and she came back with a gray t-shirt reading "New York". I put the t-shirt on and removed the price tag. I told the four people who were involved in the conversation: "I feel very sad that my personal freedom was taken away like this. I grew up under authoritarian governments in the Middle East, and one of the reasons I chose to move to the US was that I don't want an officer to make me change my t-shirt. I will pursue this incident today through a constitutional rights organization, and I am sure we will meet soon". Everyone said okay and left, and I went back to my seat.

At 8:50 I was called again by a fourth young man, standing with the same Jet Blue woman. He asked for my boarding pass, so I gave it to him, and stood in front of the boarding counter. I asked the woman: "is everything okay?", she responded: "Yes, sure. We just have to change your seat". I said: "but I want this seat, that's why I chose it online 4 weeks ago", the fourth man said "There is a lady with a toddler sitting there. We need the seat."

Then they re-issued me a small boarding pass for seat 24a, instead of seat 3a. They said that I can go to the airplane now. I was the first person who entered the airplane, and I was really annoyed about being assigned this seat in the back of the airplane too. It smelled like the bathrooms, which is why I had originally chosen a seat which would be far from that area.

It sucks to be an Arab/Muslim living in the US these days. When you go to the Middle East, you are a US taxpayer destroying people's houses with your money, and when you come back to the US, you are a suspected terrorist and plane hijacker.

If you want to call Jet Blue and ask about their regulations against Arabic script, you can use the following number: 1-800-JETBLUE (538-2583)

hingis-seles
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:47 AM
It must've been frustrating having to deal with those idiots.

Kenny
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:22 AM
Wow.. not only frustrating but TOTALLY wrong.

I would be so royally pissed if I was him.

I want this shirt now. :| Everyone should wear it on Jet Blue airlines to protest.

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:01 AM
wow!!!

i dont know if any of you have seen the show "airline" but the employees on there are often complete assholes. today an employee told 20 people that because the airline had delayed their first flight and they missed their connecting flight they would have to wait in the airport for 3 days for the next flight. and there was nothing he could do for them. clearly this is utterly unacceptable and completely wrong.

the point that sometimes these airlines are just plain wrong. it was clear as day then and its clear as day now.

i think the man has cause to sue jetblue if for no other reason than revealing his personal info to so many people without his consent so freely.

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:11 AM
i think this is the guy
http://www.parkerstudio.com/AAW/ME1.jpg
and i think he is wearing the shirt in question

Sam L
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:17 AM
Sorry but I just came back from watching United 93. I have no sympathy for that person.

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:22 AM
Sorry but I just came back from watching United 93. I have no sympathy for that person.
$1,000,000,000,00 says you did not read the 9/11 commission report. :help:

i will tell you what is offensive. paying some to make money on the bodies of 3000 souls in a hollywood P.O.S. and then using that to decide policy on that sort pointless directionless emotional porn(i.e. appealing to be vulgar reflex rather than reason and fact) is even worse. if medicine still worked that way they would still be chopping of legs to cure stomach aches.

:help:

tenn_ace
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:31 AM
Sorry but I just came back from watching United 93. I have no sympathy for that person.


Smelling a redneck post.... :rolleyes:

Darop.
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:18 PM
OMG, I can't believe that... I really do feel sorry for Arab people living in USA, some people just automatically label them as "terrorists". :rolleyes:


Sorry but I just came back from watching United 93. I have no sympathy for that person.

Retard.

$1,000,000,000,00 says you did not read the 9/11 commission report. :help:

i will tell you what is offensive. paying some to make money on the bodies of 3000 souls in a hollywood P.O.S. and then using that to decide policy on that sort pointless directionless emotional porn(i.e. appealing to be vulgar reflex rather than reason and fact) is even worse. if medicine still worked that way they would still be chopping of legs to cure stomach aches.

:help:

Smart person.

griffin
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:16 PM
There are probably 100 other things the Jet Blue people could have been doing instead of harassing this guy about a t-shirt that would actually have contributed to the safety of the plane's passengers (I'd say comfort, but the airlines don't really give a shit about that).

but no, let's obsess about a t-shirt.

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:20 PM
There are probably 100 other things the Jet Blue people could have been doing instead of harassing this guy about a t-shirt that would actually have contributed to the safety of the plane's passengers (I'd say comfort, but the airlines don't really give a shit about that).

but no, let's obsess about a t-shirt.
:worship: :worship:

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:22 PM
if you ban arabic..Jet Blue should ban also Chinese/japanese or Hebrew as no one will know what those characters say actually...this is so stupid..

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:24 PM
Sorry but I just came back from watching United 93. I have no sympathy for that person.

You are stupid and retarded....:fiery:

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:56 PM
Oh, please... :rolleyes: He lost his "freedom"??! Give me a break! He was free to wear the tshirt, and JetBlue was just as free to deny him boarding one of their planes if he wore it. Flying on an airplane isn't a right, it's a privilege. Why would he wear a tshirt like that anyways with today's climate? He was obviously looking for publicity, so I guess he wasn't lying on his tshirt...assuming it really said in Arabic "We will not be silent".

Also, he is free to convert from his religion of peace since it's causing him so much heartache. :)

I just called JetBlue to thank them for caring about the safety of their passengers. :)

Sam L
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:06 PM
Sorry guys but it's not like he died. And he didn't lose his freedom the airline was just exercising their right like SelesFan said.

Why would he wear a tshirt like that anyways with today's climate? He was obviously looking for publicity, so I guess he wasn't lying on his tshirt...assuming it really said in Arabic "We will not be silent".


I agree. :) And I guess this is the main thing that bothered me and I'm sure the airline too. Why would you wear it in this climate? It's a provocation.

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:16 PM
Sorry guys but it's not like he died. And he didn't lose his freedom the airline was just exercising their right like SelesFan said.



I agree. :) And I guess this is the main thing that bothered me and I'm sure the airline too. Why would you wear it in this climate? It's a provocation.

WHY? Will that shirt l bomb the airlines....??what happen if you go to Middle east..your Tshirtis in English/France/Chinese...you are refused to board? how did you feel?? If you agree with SELES..then Middle airlines have a right to refuse you and you may question why??? My shirt does not say anything bad??

griffin
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:16 PM
I just called JetBlue to thank them for caring about the safety of their passengers. :)

Safety? Give me a break, and try using your brain. How was a T-SHIRT a safety concern? What was his t-shirt going to do? Jump off of him and throttle a stewardess? Sneak off into the cargo area and unleash a crate of poisonous snakes?

Me, I don't feel safer because someone's monitoring tshirt slogans. I feel safer when they're watching for suspicious behavior. Or packages left behind on the plane. Or double checking the baggage scans. Or the state of the aircraft.

T-shirts don't scare me. The fact that these idiots wasted their time "saving" us from one and think that in any way contributes to safety - THAT scares me.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Oh, please... :rolleyes: He lost his "freedom"??! Give me a break! He was free to wear the tshirt, and JetBlue was just as free to deny him boarding one of their planes if he wore it. Flying on an airplane isn't a right, it's a privilege. Why would he wear a tshirt like that anyways with today's climate? He was obviously looking for publicity, so I guess he wasn't lying on his tshirt...assuming it really said in Arabic "We will not be silent".

Also, he is free to convert from his religion of peace since it's causing him so much heartache. :)

I just called JetBlue to thank them for caring about the safety of their passengers. :)

should he wear a t-shirt in hebrew then :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
you can wear what you like, its not like he was naked.

land of the free--- biggest joke of all time :tape:

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:19 PM
Oh, please... :rolleyes: He lost his "freedom"??! Give me a break! He was free to wear the tshirt, and JetBlue was just as free to deny him boarding one of their planes if he wore it. Flying on an airplane isn't a right, it's a privilege. Why would he wear a tshirt like that anyways with today's climate? He was obviously looking for publicity, so I guess he wasn't lying on his tshirt...assuming it really said in Arabic "We will not be silent".

Also, he is free to convert from his religion of peace since it's causing him so much heartache. :)

I just called JetBlue to thank them for caring about the safety of their passengers. :)

I think jetblue is so stupid...period..fi you fly to middle east and they refuse you because your T shirt is in France/Chinese/hebrew? dont be upset and question WHY???
Sometimes Airlines are just so stupid...banning knife but allowing Forks on board? fork can be sharp as knife as well..there is no logic as I am troubled with

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:21 PM
Here is the link they gave me to also express my gratitude to them...

http://www.jetblue.com/speakup/index.html

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:23 PM
Safety? Give me a break, and try using your brain. How was a T-SHIRT a safety concern? What was his t-shirt going to do? Jump off of him and throttle a stewardess? Sneak off into the cargo area and unleash a crate of poisonous snakes?

Me, I don't feel safer because someone's monitoring tshirt slogans. I feel safer when they're watching for suspicious behavior. Or packages left behind on the plane. Or double checking the baggage scans. Or the state of the aircraft.

T-shirts don't scare me. The fact that these idiots wasted their time "saving" us from one and think that in any way contributes to safety - THAT scares me.

It's obvious the guy was trying to be "cute" by wearing the t-shirt. JetBlue has every right to deny boarding to any passenger. They are a private company afterall. :)

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:23 PM
Here is the link they gave me to also express my gratitude to them...

http://www.jetblue.com/speakup/index.html

I do not see anything...let me make some phone calls and yell at them....

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:24 PM
I do not see anything...let me make some phone calls and yell at them....

The lady I spoke with said they had not heard of the story, so it could be made up. The story IS on one of the kook left-wing blogs. :o

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:25 PM
It's obvious the guy was trying to be "cute" by wearing the t-shirt. JetBlue has every right to deny boarding to any passenger. They are a private company afterall. :)

Then you should list what not to wear or bring befoer this poor guy bought a ticket..you can not deny him as he bought the ticket already..plus he does not behave adngerously to the plane??? I have seen some hebrew T shirt..should I feel offended too if I am moslem???

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:26 PM
The lady I spoke with said they had not heard of the story, so it could be made up. The story IS on one of the kook left-wing blogs. :o

Well...why did you make these comments???..I am dealing jet Blue and still waiting for someone to pick up...

Sam L
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:30 PM
If only you people would get this angry about terrorism. :rolleyes:

Most of you are acting like it's the end of the world. Considering what's happening in the world this man should've thought twice about wearing this shirt on a plane.

If I wore a shirt that said "Vive la France". I won't be thrown off the plane because it has no relevance to what is happening in the world. People might think I'm still supporting les bleus in the football and that I'm a month or so behind but that's it.

It's just about common sense and knowing what is a sensitive issue and what isn't. He wouldn't die wearing another shirt would he?

Basically, I can see where the airline is coming from and I agree with them. And I think all of you should get over it.

Sam L
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:32 PM
The lady I spoke with said they had not heard of the story, so it could be made up. The story IS on one of the kook left-wing blogs. :o

I wouldn't be surprised considering who posted the thread! :o

griffin
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:33 PM
It's obvious the guy was trying to be "cute" by wearing the t-shirt. JetBlue has every right to deny boarding to any passenger. They are a private company afterall. :)


They absolutely do. Point of fact - they didn't. HE wasn't seen as a threat, just his shirt. :wavey:

If he was trying to be cute by wearing it, JetBlue succeeding at being complete @*%$ idiots for wasting that kind of time and energy "saving" the other passengers from a bunch of Arabic script.

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:33 PM
I wouldn't be surprised considering who posted the thread! :o

;)

griffin
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:38 PM
If only you people would get this angry about terrorism. :rolleyes:


Exactly - because it can't just be that thinking adults think this was a stupid, pointless response to terrorism/terrorist threats :retard:

Common sense. Fine, explain how arabic script on a tshirt (not the person wearing it) represents any kind of threat, let alone one requiring multiple empoyees to huddle over makes any kind of sense.

Not that you agree with them

Not that they had the right to do it.

Explain how it makes sense.

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:44 PM
If only you people would get this angry about terrorism. :rolleyes:

Most of you are acting like it's the end of the world. Considering what's happening in the world this man should've thought twice about wearing this shirt on a plane.

If I wore a shirt that said "Vive la France". I won't be thrown off the plane because it has no relevance to what is happening in the world. People might think I'm still supporting les bleus in the football and that I'm a month or so behind but that's it.

It's just about common sense and knowing what is a sensitive issue and what isn't. He wouldn't die wearing another shirt would he?

Basically, I can see where the airline is coming from and I agree with them. And I think all of you should get over it.


It is just principal.....Peola has a right to wear any shirt....I have seen white ( not sure if he is israel or european) guy wearing hebrew on Malaysian airlines...Malaysia does not have any diplomatic tie with israel...malaysian airline did not ask the guy to change the shirt and ask him to leave.....I thin the airline is completely asshole

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I called Jetblue and the guy told me that he could not comment about it..

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:00 PM
If only you people would get this angry about terrorism. :rolleyes:

oh you fucking piece of shit!!! Listen, you havent done shit, "oh i went to see a hollywood movie" if you actually gave half a damn you would have actually read the damn commission report about what actually happened. but no you cant be bother to take the fucking time to get a clue about what the fuck happened, its much more convenient to you to pick on some guy that had nothing to do with any terrorism. excuse me but you and your ignorant hate mongering ilk are full of nothing but massive balls of elephant shit. its your level of ignorance that is a real fucking danger.

pardon my motherfucking anger, unlike some people who are all talk and no brain, i do take terrorism seriously.

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:02 PM
oh you fucking piece of shit!!! Listen, you havent done shit, "oh i went to see a hollywood movie" if you actually gave half a damn you would have actually read the damn commission report about what actually happened. but no you cant be bother to take the fucking time to get a clue about what the fuck happened, its much more convenient to you to pick on some guy that had nothing to do with any terrorism. excuse me but you and your ignorant hate mongering ilk are full of nothing but massive balls of elephant shit. its your level of ignorance that is a real fucking danger.

pardon my motherfucking anger, unlike some people who are all talk and no brain, i do take terrorism seriously.

:bounce: :bounce: you go girls!!!

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:02 PM
Safety? Give me a break, and try using your brain. How was a T-SHIRT a safety concern? What was his t-shirt going to do? Jump off of him and throttle a stewardess? Sneak off into the cargo area and unleash a crate of poisonous snakes?

Me, I don't feel safer because someone's monitoring tshirt slogans. I feel safer when they're watching for suspicious behavior. Or packages left behind on the plane. Or double checking the baggage scans. Or the state of the aircraft.

T-shirts don't scare me. The fact that these idiots wasted their time "saving" us from one and think that in any way contributes to safety - THAT scares me.
griffin think about who you said that to. assuming he has a brain, he has never made use of it while posting here. why would he start now?? :help:

nbaker53
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:31 PM
:lol: :rolls:
You are the biggest loser I have ever met.
You called JetBlue because you read some article on Google.


You seriously have way too much time on your hands.

firehorse
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:13 PM
:lol: :rolls:
You are the biggest loser I have ever met.
You called JetBlue because you read some article on Google.


You seriously have way too much time on your hands.

who refer to? me or SELES?..like you have time so much time to post your comments also...as said!!! what a retard!!

CoryAnnAvants#1
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:26 PM
I can guarantee you that if I, as a white male, wore that t-shirt onto a plane, there wouldn't be an issue. Period.

Wigglytuff
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:35 PM
I can guarantee you that if I, as a white male, wore that t-shirt onto a plane, there wouldn't be an issue. Period.
yep.

Apoleb
Aug 24th, 2006, 08:46 PM
It's obvious the guy was trying to be "cute" by wearing the t-shirt. JetBlue has every right to deny boarding to any passenger. They are a private company afterall. :)

:retard:

No one denied the right of Jet Blue to do this, but people are critisizing their actions. There's a difference, and I hope you can see it.

The fact that he was banned from boarding because he had something written in Arabic on his shirt speaks of some people's "arabophobia" and association between anything Arabic to terrorism , rather than anything related to justified security concerns.

And you know what? I'm actually thinking twice about reading an Arabic book in the bus, cause I'm sure I'll get some very weird looks when people see what I'm reading.

Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:01 PM
if you ban arabic..Jet Blue should ban also Chinese/japanese or Hebrew as no one will know what those characters say actually...this is so stupid..A point I made to Jet Blue customer service on the phone, after they said, 'not many Americans read Arabic.' I noted that not many read Hebrew or Mandarin or even French.

griffin
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:03 PM
or English... :tape:

Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:05 PM
The lady I spoke with said they had not heard of the story, so it could be made up. The story IS on one of the kook left-wing blogs. :oNot even a good try, though typical of you.

Google "Raed" and "Jet Blue". You'll get 270 hits. The first one is from DemocracyNow.org, a boringly mainstream operation.

Helen Lawson
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:06 PM
I can guarantee you that if I, as a white male, wore that t-shirt onto a plane, there wouldn't be an issue. Period.

I was on a plane once and before they closed the door, this white guy had on a t-shirt that read "Freelance Gynocologist" and the flight attendant told him he needed to cover it up or change it before we left the gate, which he did. I don't know if he would have been thrown off the plane if he'd refused or not.

Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:15 PM
You called JetBlue because you read some article on Google.The only way Jet Blue changes a policy like that is if they think potential customers care, and that Jet Blue will lose money. That means I needed to contact them.

When Reagan wanted to get rid of the Dept of Education, I went down to Washington to lobby. Taking action is how you get things done.

Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:20 PM
And I guess this is the main thing that bothered me and I'm sure the airline too. Why would you wear it in this climate? It's a provocation.What? "We will not be silent." What's provocative about that? And the translation was right on the shirt too.

Lord Nelson
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:47 PM
I can guarantee you that if I, as a white male, wore that t-shirt onto a plane, there wouldn't be an issue. Period.
Since when was Islam a race? In Britain some of the arrested were white muslims. No, they will be arested because they are Muslim. If arab muslims want to be respected they should respect others.

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 11:53 PM
I can guarantee you that if I, as a white male, wore that t-shirt onto a plane, there wouldn't be an issue. Period.

If I had been on the plane there would have been an issue...I can guran-damn-tee you that! :wavey:

If they had let you on wearing that tshirt, I would have gotten off. But there definitely would have been an issue. :)

SelesFan70
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:02 AM
pardon my motherfucking anger, unlike some people who are all talk and no brain, i do take terrorism seriously.

:haha:

SelesFan70
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:06 AM
:lol: :rolls:
You are the biggest loser I have ever met.
You called JetBlue because you read some article on Google.


You seriously have way too much time on your hands.

I had the time and the want to. That was good enough for me. :wavey:

SelesFan70
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:07 AM
griffin think about who you said that to. assuming he has a brain, he has never made use of it while posting here. why would he start now?? :help:

Typical personal attacks. Nice to know exactly how you will respond when you can't debate on the facts. :wavey:

Wigglytuff
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:12 AM
Typical personal attacks. Nice to know exactly how you will respond when you can't debate on the facts. :wavey:
is this retard for real? :lol: :lol:

SelesFan70
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:46 AM
is this retard for real? :lol: :lol:

"Retard" isn't politically correct. Tsk, tsk, tsk...

I have half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair. :p

Scotso
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:07 AM
Are we sure this is true? I can't find any news article that talks about it.

Volcana
Aug 25th, 2006, 04:30 AM
Are we sure this is true? I can't find any news article that talks about it.This is the first link on Google. As I'e said, Democracy Now is pretty mainstream. Maybe this is just an example of what MSM will and will not cover.

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=06/08/21/1348224

.

Kunal
Aug 25th, 2006, 07:13 AM
that is so ignorant from jet

Wigglytuff
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:12 PM
I had the time and the want to. That was good enough for me. :wavey:
reading the 9/11 commission report would be a better use of that time. though your actions show that you are not interested inn learning any facts

germex
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:41 PM
My opinion is, that it is a shame that nowadays because of fear of terrorism, people feel threatened by foreing languages and even dark skin or even black hair. Having said that I think that we as users of airlines must help with every revision.
Here is my story, I had to fly early this year 4 times Monterrey (Mexico) to Columbus (Ohio), via Houston. On one of my Columbus - Houston flights I was at Columbus airport, and while sitting at the gate waiting for boarding, a couple of guys approached me with badges and everything, and they searched my carry on bag, and they searched on me, looking for I dont know what. That is very humbling, they didnt approached anybody else, i am 40, i dressed casual bussiness on those flights, i carry mi notebook, so i dont think i looked intimidating or anything. However i answered every question, i opened all my belongings and made it easy for those guys. End of the story, I flew home. So it is wrong, but sadly that is how it is now, and we must understand the fears of people however unfounded they could be.
Lets hope the world gets better soon. Peace.

Asif_Nawaz
Aug 25th, 2006, 02:52 PM
That is ridiculous!!My aunt who works for homeland security got searched with those body revealing things on her way to the US from the UK.And its really offensive, i mean if you want to search ppl then go ahead and search but they search all kinds of no matter what race or religion or country they are from.And this guy i mean theres nothing wrong with that T-Shirt i mean did they think there was a bomb ticking inside the lettering?What retards!:rolleyes:

firehorse
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:06 PM
reading the 9/11 commission report would be a better use of that time. though your actions show that you are not interested inn learning any facts

I am not sure if 9/11 commission report had al the facts...why you are so sure about it??

griffin
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:20 PM
If I had been on the plane there would have been an issue...I can guran-damn-tee you that! :wavey:

If you're going to attack or harass another passenger because of what they're wearing, then YOU are the safety threat. Not the person who's fashion sense you don't like :wavey:

hingis-seles
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:27 PM
The xenophobia displayed, whether by posters in this thread or by the employees of this airline, is very disturbing.

Wigglytuff
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:53 PM
I am not sure if 9/11 commission report had al the facts...why you are so sure about it??
i dont think anyone document has all the facts. but i does have SOME VERY IMPORTANT ones. which i do insist is better than basing ones ideas on a hollywood movie or fear a freakin tee shirt.

Wigglytuff
Aug 25th, 2006, 03:55 PM
If you're going to attack or harass another passenger because of what they're wearing, then YOU are the safety threat. Not the person who's fashion sense you don't like :wavey:
that goes without saying. :tape: :help:

*JR*
Aug 25th, 2006, 11:26 PM
Oh, please... :rolleyes: He lost his "freedom"??! Give me a break! He was free to wear the tshirt, and JetBlue was just as free to deny him boarding one of their planes if he wore it. Flying on an airplane isn't a right, it's a privilege. Why would he wear a tshirt like that anyways with today's climate? He was obviously looking for publicity, so I guess he wasn't lying on his tshirt...assuming it really said in Arabic "We will not be silent".

Also, he is free to convert from his religion of peace since it's causing him so much heartache. :)

I just called JetBlue to thank them for caring about the safety of their passengers. :)
What if it said IN ENGLISH Allah Akbar (meaning "God is Great") instead? :p

firehorse
Aug 26th, 2006, 12:17 AM
What if it said IN ENGLISH Allah Akbar (meaning "God is Great") instead? :p

Actually Allah Hu akbar....I think....

Asif_Nawaz
Aug 26th, 2006, 03:22 AM
Its Allah-o-Akbar.

It means God is Great

Scotso
Aug 26th, 2006, 03:53 AM
Allah-u-Abha

*JR*
Aug 26th, 2006, 12:39 PM
However that phrase is correctly spelled in the Roman alphabet, would trying to board a plane in the US wearing a shirt saying that be considered permissible. (As its simply an expression of religious devotion, not something thats possibly a coded message in another language).

There are essentially 2 countervailing principles in play here, it seems. On the one hand is the freedom of expression, where its not what the Supreme Court would call "fighting words" (like Heil Hitler or Usama Rocks, 9/11/01).

On the other, an airline would claim that its continued existence depends on the subjective perception of safety by its passengers. (Or comfort; they might refuse boarding to someone who seemingly hadn't bathed or showered in 2 weeks, based on smell).

And argue that whatever behavior designed to deliberately render a given airline (or restaurant, store, etc.) that faces competition unpleasant to most potential customers enables economic retribution by fired employees, or other "economic warfare" by whoever.

wally1
Aug 26th, 2006, 12:56 PM
I wonder where the infringements on personal freedom in the pointless search for 100% security will end? In a couple of years you'll probably have to undergo a strip search and cavity inspection before they'll let you get on a plane to America. And the general public will accept it if told it's in the interest of "security".

bis2806
Aug 26th, 2006, 01:30 PM
Selesfan, are you kidding me??? Please tell me that you're joking about having called to thank them!

LoveFifteen
Aug 26th, 2006, 01:43 PM
I wish Muslims would put forth the same effort for getting the fanatics to stop killing as they do for lobbying for tolerance in the West.

fufuqifuqishahah
Aug 26th, 2006, 02:47 PM
I really like Jet Blue and I like Muslims but I think both of the parties were stupid in this case.

Jet Blue was stupid because there is obviously no threat in a shirt. However, they were most likely concerned that other, ignorant people on the plane, might get agitated and nervous around that guy.

With all respect to that guy, he's stupid to think that he could wear that shirt without any problem. Yes, it's really unfair, and he should be allowed to wear that shirt, however, he didn't consider the current political climate and he didn't consider the stupidity of the other passengers. Maybe if he talked to the flight attendants before they were boarding, they may have let him wear it.

People at jet blue aren't assholes, though they may be kind of stupid. They were just trying to prevent any kind of passenger getting scared. But kudos to the guy for trying to fight the system. Maybe if this was made more public, and more people tried doing this, the system would change.

croat123
Aug 26th, 2006, 02:58 PM
u have to be an idiot to wear a shirt like that in today's climate. sure, you have a right to do so, but when shit happens to you because you wore a shirt that you knew could cause problems, then don't complain.