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tennisIlove09
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:08 PM
...all things considering.

AllezCumonJiayou
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:12 PM
at least they'll be happy to be in different halves of the draw

St.Sebastian
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:27 PM
at least they'll be happy to be in different halves of the draw

Yeah, as if they are both to reach the final :retard:

junlee_vee
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:30 PM
They have a better chance than some players. :o

junlee_vee
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:30 PM
And I like Venus' draw...she's got Elena's fans scared! :lol:

sfselesfan
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:32 PM
If I were Elena, I'd be terrified of Venus' return game and wingspan. Her only two wins over Venus were third set tiebreaks.

I would rather Serena not have to come up on an on-fire Ivanovic. Ana has been looking really good lately. I'm more worried about Ivanovic for her than Mauresmo.

SF

Stamp Paid
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:36 PM
Venus has a vety doable draw. Hopefully she wont drop the ball, like in Paris.
Serena.....Jesus keep her near the cross. :unsure:

Viktymise
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:44 PM
Serena prob got a good draw considering she's not seeded, Vee prob could have got a slightly better 1, the LenaVee match will be pretty decisve this tournie i feel

mboyle
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:08 PM
Um, Hantuchova, Ivanovic, Mauresmo, Hingis, Sharapova...Serena has probably the hardest draw imaginable.

And Venus could have faced Petrova in the 32s...instead she drew Dementieva, who has been really good all summer...

Marshmallow
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:08 PM
Serena has it tough, but if anyone can handle it, Serena is the one.

Venus' draw is also good, byt Marta is tricky, as is Elena. Venus must hold it together, but she has something she can take advantage of here.

GrandSlam05
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:11 PM
Venus has an ok draw, but Serena's is no walk in the park, by any means.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:13 PM
Serena can TOTALLY do it. I actually think that if both don't reach the final, Serena will do better than Venus....but I hope we get a 2002 Re-run

SAEKeithSerena
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:38 AM
Serena being a wildcard definitely got a decent draw. she should be hantuchova and ivanovic. against mauresmo, i don't know, but she could have had a MUCH more difficult draw. i hope she can prove everyone wrong and go deep, if not stun the world and win this Grand Slam.

sfselesfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:47 AM
Serena being a wildcard definitely got a decent draw. she should be hantuchova and ivanovic. against mauresmo, i don't know, but she could have had a MUCH more difficult draw. i hope she can prove everyone wrong and go deep, if not stun the world and win this Grand Slam.

I'm less worried about Amelie...more worried about Ivanovic. Amelie's game doesn't match up well against Serena's IMO.

SF

hacberto
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:58 AM
I'm less worried about Amelie...more worried about Ivanovic. Amelie's game doesn't match up well against Serena's IMO.

SF


Yeah I'm scared of Ivanovic too But i Think Serena can defeat her, I hope :scared:

Volcana
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:59 AM
Um, Hantuchova, Ivanovic, Mauresmo, Hingis, Sharapova...Serena has probably the hardest draw imaginable.Yeah. But if she's in shape, and on form (both not that likely) it's doable.

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:25 AM
Nobody knows what kind of shape and health (physical or otherwise) Venus is in.

So I can't realy say for sure if she would be able to take advantage of a
"doable" draw as some have characterized it.
Let us wait and see...

UDACHi
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:28 AM
how is elena dementieva in the 3r doable and ana ivanovic in the 3r something to shit your pants over? :retard:

faboozadoo15
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:29 AM
how is elena dementieva in the 3r doable and ana ivanovic in the 3r something to shit your pants over? :retard:
:haha:

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Venus has a vety doable draw. Hopefully she wont drop the ball, like in Paris.
Serena.....Jesus keep her near the cross. :unsure:

I'm sure Kanye is praying for her... :p

Stamp Paid
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:31 AM
how is elena dementieva in the 3r doable and ana ivanovic in the 3r something to shit your pants over? :retard:

:tape:

faboozadoo15
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:31 AM
how is elena dementieva in the 3r doable and ana ivanovic in the 3r something to shit your pants over? :retard:
anyway, i think serena's draw, has hantuchova, ivanovic, mauresmo, hingis, just to win the quarter!

if venus is to beat elena, venus takes over elena's part of the draw and will probably play someone like alg and then kuznetsova to get to the semis.

Nicbob
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Venus hasnt played a hardcourt match this summer.... and Dementieva has a win over sharapova, and a title.... i think Venus will be overrated in this match

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:57 AM
i think Venus will be overrated in this match

Not necessarily, these two players are probably the most unpredictable of the top players. Both players are capable of beating just about anyone as well as losing to anyone. Venus however has the advantage in this match up because she's proven herself more times in grand slams.

sfselesfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:32 AM
how is elena dementieva in the 3r doable and ana ivanovic in the 3r something to shit your pants over? :retard:

Because one of them can serve a tennis ball and the other can't. The WS thrive on their return game.

SF

sfselesfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:34 AM
Venus hasnt played a hardcourt match this summer.... and Dementieva has a win over sharapova, and a title.... i think Venus will be overrated in this match

Historically, Venus has played very well against Dementieva...even when she's out of her top form.

SF

Sinnet
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:42 AM
The only reason I'm not worred about Serena is because she's been returning extremely well, and Ana's serve is a big weakness. Serena will be pouncing on her serves and keeping her off balance. I really do expect Serena to have relatively easy wins over her first round opponent, Hantuchova, Ivanovic and then the Mauresmo match is questionable. In the past, Mauresmo and Serena have had really good matches, but when Serena isn't making many errors, Amelie really doesn't put up much resistance. I'm seeing Serena in the QFs plus, pending health.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:08 AM
Ana's serve is a big weakness. Serena will be pouncing on her serves and keeping her off balance.

What???? Have you seen Ana serve??? She has a great serve, an easy simple motion with pop and placement.

switz
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:13 AM
Venus' draw is OK but Serena's is horrible.

Lino shouldn't be a problem is she's playing ok; Hantuchova will be tough for a set and half; Ivanovic will go in favourite considering she's just demolished the field to win a tier I; Mauresmo has been conquering all her mental problems lately - Serena in slams is possibly her last remaining one after RG.

And having said that Venus' is OK let's remember she lost to Jankovic and Wimbledon and Dementieva is in form and playing at a slam she rarely plays poorly in.

venus_rulez
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:22 AM
I love venus osoI just enjoy the ride. She could show up and annihilate the field without dropping a set or she could make 70 + errors and lose the first round, one thing is for sure that even when venus plays badly it's always dramatic. I'm just excited it looks like she will play and I hope she goes far. I'll be watching every step of the way :)

sfselesfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:24 AM
First off, Ana's serve IS NOT a weakness. Movement and net play are her two glaring weaknesses...but certainly not her serve.

I wouldn't say that Ana goes into her match vs. Serena as the dominant player. Ana still has a lot to prove. Regardless of Amelie's "mental" state, I still think her game does not match up well vs. Serena's. That being said...both Ana and Amelie are capable of taking Serena out.

SF

harloo
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:38 AM
oh lord Serena's draw is a nightmare. I hope she gets through these tough matches. I don't think Mauresmo is going to be easy for Serena either. They have had some close encounters.

Venus has a good draw but I get nervous when she plays Elena. This is a player Venus has had trouble with in the past. And considering the fact that she hasn't played in a while anything can happen.:sad:

spencercarlos
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:45 AM
Serena prob got a good draw considering she's not seeded, Vee prob could have got a slightly better 1, the LenaVee match will be pretty decisve this tournie i feel
I don`t see this match as deciding on the tournament itself at all, as neither of these two players will be either winning the tournament or reaching the final.

spencercarlos
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:53 AM
And BTW Serena`s draw is a nightmare indeed recently she had a tough match against Hantuchova which still i think she would past in two sets this time, but then Ana Ivanovic, who is playing great, then Amelie, and then Hingis/Safina/Zvonareva just to reach the semis, she has to beat 1 good player (Daniela), and 3 great players for this years.

serenafan08
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:40 AM
I'm pretty happy for Venus - she can come through with that draw. As for Serena, it will take Jesus and all 12 disciples to get her through that! If anyone can do it, it's Serena. She's beaten the best before, and she can do it again.

Stamp Paid
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:45 AM
I'm pretty happy for Venus - she can come through with that draw. As for Serena, it will take Jesus and all 12 disciples to get her through that! If anyone can do it, it's Serena. She's beaten the best before, and she can do it again.

Keep her near the cross! :o!

serenafan08
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:00 AM
Keep her near the cross! :o!
:haha: :rolls:

junlee_vee
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:01 AM
Venus hasnt played a hardcourt match this summer.... and Dementieva has a win over sharapova, and a title.... i think Venus will be overrated in this match

What some people seem to forget is that Venus plays her best against pace...which Elena has plenty of! And I won't even get on that serve that Venus SHOULD be able to eat up!

harloo
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:05 AM
I'm pretty happy for Venus - she can come through with that draw. As for Serena, it will take Jesus and all 12 disciples to get her through that! If anyone can do it, it's Serena. She's beaten the best before, and she can do it again.

:lol:

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:12 AM
What some people seem to forget is that Venus plays her best against pace...which Elena has plenty of! And I won't even get on that serve that Venus SHOULD be able to eat up!

That was true a couple of years ago.
As of late she has not proven that she feel comfortable with pace.
In fact, long rallies with pace have not been kind to her. Her last few losses have proven that. Lately, Dementieva has had plenty of pace and can stay in rallies forever.

But we'll see which Venus shows up. The Venus who backs down when opponents become aggressive , or the Venus who keep raising the stakes and make them pay

junlee_vee
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:14 AM
Yeah that is true...Venus can be so unpredictable! Either she becomes timid and sprays balls or she becomes this ferocious, competitive beast who knocks bitches off the court! (:lol: ) Either way, I think it's safe to say that she likes pace better than moon balls!

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:21 AM
Yeah that is true...Venus can be so unpredictable! Either she becomes timid and sprays balls or she becomes this ferocious, competitive beast who knocks bitches off the court! (:lol: ) Either way, I think it's safe to say that she likes pace better than moon balls!
One thing we agree on, she prefers pace to moonies.
Hopefully, the ferocious , competitive beast Venus will show up.
That version of Venus is long overdue.

junlee_vee
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:29 AM
Yeah...that side of Venus showed at Wimbledon '05, and I was shocked to see that it went away so quickly! :sad:

Anyway, GOOD LUCK to VEE at the Open! And I guess it's pretty certain that she won't pull out right???

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:34 AM
Yeah...that side of Venus showed at Wimbledon '05, and I was shocked to see that it went away so quickly! :sad:

Anyway, GOOD LUCK to VEE at the Open! And I guess it's pretty certain that she won't pull out right???

To tell you the truth, I am still not sure she will not withdraw.
The hope is she does not. Because I am afraid if she does, the press will start not being kind to her given the way she has withdrawn the last few tournaments.

I am waiting for her first match with anticipation

supergrunt
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:07 AM
That was true a couple of years ago.
As of late she has not proven that she feel comfortable with pace.
In fact, long rallies with pace have not been kind to her. Her last few losses have proven that. Lately, Dementieva has had plenty of pace and can stay in rallies forever.

But we'll see which Venus shows up. The Venus who backs down when opponents become aggressive , or the Venus who keep raising the stakes and make them pay

Are you joking? :confused: Last year at Wimbledon? And then you contradict yourself in another post. I'm confused. :sad:

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:11 AM
Are you joking? :confused: Last year at Wimbledon? And then you contradict yourself in another post. I'm confused. :sad:

That was last year, in one single instance.
Since then she has had early exits after early exits, losing to players of no prominence.

Show me the post in contradiction

Marcus Jordan
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:18 AM
I still consider MoMo mentally weak so I wouldn't be surprised if Serena beats her. I'd love to see a Martina vs Serena QF!

hablo
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:38 AM
The only reason I'm not worred about Serena is because she's been returning extremely well, and Ana's serve is a big weakness. Serena will be pouncing on her serves and keeping her off balance. I really do expect Serena to have relatively easy wins over her first round opponent, Hantuchova, Ivanovic and then the Mauresmo match is questionable. In the past, Mauresmo and Serena have had really good matches, but when Serena isn't making many errors, Amelie really doesn't put up much resistance. I'm seeing Serena in the QFs plus, pending health.
:spit::eek::speakles:

supergrunt
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:46 AM
That was last year, in one single instance.
Since then she has had early exits after early exits, losing to players of no prominence.

Show me the post in contradiction

You said something like "As of late Venus has not done well with pace" and then something like "Venus does better with pace then moonballers"

Just becuase she has lost to "players of no prominence" does not mean that she can't "handle pace." Venus is known for being the aggresor and/or liking pace.

Sir Stefwhit
Aug 24th, 2006, 07:59 AM
It's funny Serena has the much harder draw on paper, but I think Venus will bow out much earlier than Serena. I actually feel really good for Serena, and after reflecting on the draw, it really is a do-able draw for Serena. With Venus you have to look at history and ask yourself, when was the last time she returned from any kind of lay off and had great results instantly? A rusty Venus hasn't been a 'dangerous' Venus in a very, very, very long time. Venus training hard, injury free, and match tough is the Venus that can burn through a draw like she's got. I see Elena taking Vee down in straights. Serena will make the second week, just not sure how far she'll go... off to smoke tea leaves and consult with 'me' crystal ball.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:11 AM
I honestly am not concerned at ALL with Serena's draw...I think she can handle it. She' s gonna get a day off to recoup, so fitness won't be THAT big of an issue...plus she's @ Nick's so I'm sure she's gonna show up fitter than L.A. honestly, footwork is her only concern. If that's on..the title is as good as hers.

olivia100
Aug 24th, 2006, 12:01 PM
To tell you the truth, I am still not sure she will not withdraw.
The hope is she does not. Because I am afraid if she does, the press will start not being kind to her given the way she has withdrawn the last few tournaments.

I am waiting for her first match with anticipation

Did you not just read Lindsay's article about the tournament not taking players names off the list even though they have withdrawn from a tournament. How do we know that Vee hasn't withdrawn weeks ago but they just refuse to take her name off the list.

vwfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:40 PM
Because one of them can serve a tennis ball and the other can't. The WS thrive on their return game.

SF :lol: wow, you're vicious!

akosijepoy
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:45 PM
i'll be happy if both sisters show up healthy and without a single injury. :)

vwfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 01:46 PM
But we'll see which Venus shows up. The Venus who backs down when opponents become aggressive , or the Venus who keep raising the stakes and make them pay excellent point. I feel about this U.S. Open like I felt at the start of Wimbledon 2005: not expecting much! But I won't be totally surprised if she does well either.

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 24th, 2006, 02:52 PM
If they both show up healthy, I wouldn't be surprised if they TORE through the draw. But I haven't seen or heard anything about Venus apart from her WTT wins. Hope she's been working with Ree @ Nick's!

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Did you not just read Lindsay's article about the tournament not taking players names off the list even though they have withdrawn from a tournament. How do we know that Vee hasn't withdrawn weeks ago but they just refuse to take her name off the list.

Even if they don't them off the lsit, would not the player announce if she has withdrawn?

sfselesfan
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:28 PM
:lol: wow, you're vicious!

Thanks. :devil:

SF

tennisbum79
Aug 24th, 2006, 09:28 PM
You said something like "As of late Venus has not done well with pace" and then something like "Venus does better with pace then moonballers"

Just becuase she has lost to "players of no prominence" does not mean that she can't "handle pace." Venus is known for being the aggresor and/or liking pace.

Out of context.
You forgot to add the rest of the quote. Here is the full quote


As of late she has not proven that she feel comfortable with pace.
In fact, long rallies with pace have not been kind to her. Her last few losses have proven that. Lately, Dementieva has had plenty of pace and can stay in rallies forever.

Then I say somewhere else
...But she prefer pace to monnies

SAEKeithSerena
Aug 24th, 2006, 10:07 PM
Yeah I'm scared of Ivanovic too But i Think Serena can defeat her, I hope :scared:

she can:wavey: