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supermann
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:36 AM
Venus vs Steffi : Who runs faster on the tennis court?

I'd go with the long legged graceful Venus Williams. She is considered by many in tennis to be the fastest and most athletic female tennis player in the modern era.

justine&coria
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:43 AM
I don't understand why some fans have to create such polls ?
It's like asking who has the better backhand slice between Venus or Steffi ?

Of course, Venus is way way way faster than Steffi. She's probably the fastest out there.

supermann
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:44 AM
Of course, Venus is way way way faster than Steffi. She's probably the fastest out there.

100% True statement.

Viktymise
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:46 AM
Vee definatley

laurie
Aug 23rd, 2006, 11:54 AM
I haven't voted on this particular poll because I really don't see the point in this discussion.

I've seen both players play live and both are extremely quick and athletic.

But it is tennis, not 100 metres.

Steffica Greles
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:22 PM
Over all, Steffi without a doubt.

Venus possibly covers ever so slightly more court, but that's because she has a longer reach. However, Graf was also lightning fast in the other departments that must be taken into consideration. Her footwork was perfect, and Venus can't say that. Venus' footwork can often look cumbersome.

starr
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:29 PM
I cant' say who is faster, but Steffi's foot work was impeccable. Beautiful tiny steps. Rarely out of position to hit the ball.

~Carsten~
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:31 PM
Michael Johnson! :)

GrandSlam05
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:32 PM
I have no problem with people saying Venus is the fastest ever, she probably is. But to say Venus is "WAY faster" than Steffi is a huge exaggeration. Way faster than Davenport or Hantuchova maybe. Steffi was freakin' fast too.

music29child
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:33 PM
Venus

santhuruu
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:43 PM
Definetely Venus

40-0
Aug 23rd, 2006, 12:57 PM
i love vee, but covering court and been fast is not the same, in the speed factor i think its steffi, i mean just with her footwork she could run for any ball no matter where it was, when she got the ball she could hit the ball faster, spec. her forehand.

Timariot
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:27 PM
Of course, peak ASV was faster than either.

ezekiel
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:35 PM
Justine Henin is the fastest female tennis player to date , Venus close behind but as mentioned she reaches much more than tiny Justine which counts a lot in tennis

AaronJoyB
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:38 PM
Steffi all the way!

AaronJoyB
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:39 PM
Over all, Steffi without a doubt.

Venus possibly covers ever so slightly more court, but that's because she has a longer reach. However, Graf was also lightning fast in the other departments that must be taken into consideration. Her footwork was perfect, and Venus can't say that. Venus' footwork can often look cumbersome.
so true

jazzfuzion
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:42 PM
i guess it doesn't matter how fast you are,because if your forehand lets you down time and time again,you're not going to win

sfselesfan
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:55 PM
You people who are goting for Steffi either have (1) overactive imaginations or (2) were not old enough to ever see a Graf match!

Steffi was fast for her day. She was an amazing player. However, the only way she could be faster than Venus is if Venus had a broken foot!

SF

kabuki
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:03 PM
Venus is the fastest, but as has been said in this thread, Steffi had the most phenominal footwork. The mere fact that she ran around so many hard hit shots to her backhand is a testament to her reaction time, anticipation and footspeed.

Helen Lawson
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:05 PM
I think both would require 4-5 dates and some declarations of love before they gave it up.

moby
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:07 PM
I don't know how fast Steffi is on the tennis courts, but off it, she could have qualified for Germany's Olympics relay team sans training.

So seeing as Steffi has the better footwork and anticipation, I'll go with her.

Apoorv
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:15 PM
I would say, those who think Venus is WAY!!!!! faster than Steffi should better watch this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/dna/mbfivelive/F2148567/ext/_auto/-/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZioS4QVPmaw

sfselesfan
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:34 PM
I would say, those who think Venus is WAY!!!!! faster than Steffi should better watch this:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/dna/mbfivelive/F2148567/ext/_auto/-/http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZioS4QVPmaw


And?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpAFFNvTD8

SF

Mileen
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:38 PM
stop these useless and cheap polls - unless it's really something interesting

Apoorv
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:44 PM
And?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpAFFNvTD8

SF


Graf has faster legs. Venus has longer legs. Overall i would say both of them are very fast. but saying WAY!!!! too faster is too much to accept.

sfselesfan
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:49 PM
Venus is clearly faster than Graf.

SF

saki
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:52 PM
Steffi is definitely faster than Venus. The fact that, without training, she could have competed in the Olympics for Germany says it all. No way Venus would clock that kind of time in a sprint.

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:53 PM
Steffi by a nose :p

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:56 PM
Venus is clearly faster than Graf.

SF
Yeah Venusīs supreme court coverage, smooth movement and impecable footwork have allowed her to win many Roland Garros titles :lol:

*Waits for VWFAN to tell us that movement/footwork/speed around the court is more important at Wimbledon than Roland Garros :lol: :devil:

TomTennis
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:00 PM
Venus.

Both were very fast, but Venus' long legs just gives her that extra power in her legs.

Plus, Venus used to run track as a teenager, and said that if she didnt play tennis she may have possibly become an athlete.

trivfun
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:04 PM
Pauline Betz said matter of factly that she was faster than Graf. Pauline won the US Nationals in 1942, 43,44, and 46 as well as Wimbledon that year. She was the first professional in the women's tour but the only one because she beat everybody so she held clinics. In 1959, she beat Althea Gibson in a exhibition when she was reported to be five months pregnant.

alfajeffster
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:04 PM
Yeah Venusīs supreme court coverage, smooth movement and impecable footwork have allowed her to win many Roland Garros titles :lol:

I like watching Venus Williams play, chiefly because of her fighting spirit (which most players today don't have), but to this day, she is still probably the only top player who can get away with running for the ball after the opponent has already hit it, getting there, and doing something on the run. It's a staple of her game. She's amazing with those long, lanky strides and how much court she covers regularly. Imagine how great she would be if she got off the mark like Steffi Graf did. Have a look at the 1999 Wimbledon match between these two, and look at it objectively- it's obvious to me that Steffi Graf is the fastest top player (with apologies to Pauline Betz) in the history of women's tennis. She wasn't just fast, she was precise with her speed and footwork. You just can't say that about Venus Williams.

trivfun
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:09 PM
I like watching Venus Williams play, chiefly because of her fighting spirit (which most players today don't have), but to this day, she is still probably the only top player who can get away with running for the ball after the opponent has already hit it, getting there, and doing something on the run. It's a staple of her game. She's amazing with those long, lanky strides and how much court she covers regularly. Imagine how great she would be if she got off the mark like Steffi Graf did. Have a look at the 1999 Wimbledon match between these two, and look at it objectively- it's obvious to me that Steffi Graf is the fastest top player (with apologies to Pauline Betz) in the history of women's tennis. She wasn't just fast, she was precise with her speed and footwork. You just can't say that about Venus Williams.


One thing, that Pauline didn't mention was the Steffi had run down shots hit by graphite rackets. I'm sure Pauline was fast side to side but how about up and down. I would be curious to see how Pauline would do against the likes of Arancha Sanchez Vicario and Monica Seles disguise drop.

Apoleb
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:12 PM
Venus might beat Steffi when it comes to pure speed, but when it comes to footwork, change of direction, movement around the ball..etc, Steffi would eat for lunch and spit her for dinner.

LDVTennis
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:18 PM
You people who are goting for Steffi either have (1) overactive imaginations or (2) were not old enough to ever see a Graf match!

Steffi was fast for her day. She was an amazing player. However, the only way she could be faster than Venus is if Venus had a broken foot!

SF

Fast for her day? Is that like saying Seles was slow for her day?

Face it. Steffi was fast period.

There is a way to compare. Find video of both of them running to the net from a point behind the baseline.

For these purposes, I submit Steffi's runnning to the net to retrieve a dropshot in the 1992 Wimbledon Final. The BBC covered Steffi's run from two angles, overhead angle and side angle.

Now, someone give me an example of Venus' running to the net to retrieve a dropshot from behind the baseline. If Venus was as fast as Steffi, that play will show it. (The play requires a flat-out sprint to the net.)

Here is the only obstacle I see to finding and comparing such a play. In the 1999 Wimbledon QF vs. Steffi, Venus demonstrated poor reaction times to such shots. Based on what we saw there, perhaps, the only conclusion we can reach is that Venus was simply not as quick off the mark as Steffi.

For comparison purposes in that same match, look at how quick and fast Steffi is when she retrieves Venus' attempt at a drop volley in the third set. In typical Graf fashion, she not only gets there in plenty of time, but she hits a great shot with her backhand (a chip lob over Venus).

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:20 PM
I like watching Venus Williams play, chiefly because of her fighting spirit (which most players today don't have), but to this day, she is still probably the only top player who can get away with running for the ball after the opponent has already hit it, getting there, and doing something on the run. It's a staple of her game. She's amazing with those long, lanky strides and how much court she covers regularly. Imagine how great she would be if she got off the mark like Steffi Graf did. Have a look at the 1999 Wimbledon match between these two, and look at it objectively- it's obvious to me that Steffi Graf is the fastest top player (with apologies to Pauline Betz) in the history of women's tennis. She wasn't just fast, she was precise with her speed and footwork. You just can't say that about Venus Williams.
Take in consideration that Graf 1999 was not even 70% of peak phisically speaking. Enough said.

alfajeffster
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:25 PM
Pauline Betz said matter of factly that she was faster than Graf. Pauline won the US Nationals in 1942, 43,44, and 46 as well as Wimbledon that year. She was the first professional in the women's tour but the only one because she beat everybody so she held clinics.

FYI (and I don't mind correcting you on a regular basis, just don't take it personally)- Pauline Betz was far from the first professional. Suzanne Lenglen did it a couple of decades before Betz, and there were a few others as well.

LDVTennis
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:48 PM
And?!?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNpAFFNvTD8

SF

Oh, come on, assuming the two videos were shot at the same speed, Graf is clearly faster.

Here are few other observations based on the two videos. (Now, why didn't you see this?)

Venus runs off a wider base than Steffi, meaning two things: (1) to generate motion, Venus' legs push off to the side of her, as dictated by the balance points of her hips; and (2) Venus' center of gravity is located in her hips and butt.

Not so, with Graf. Graf runs in a very upright position because (1) her legs always stay under the balance points defined by her shoulders and (2) her center of gravity is higher, in her shoulders.

There is at least two reasons for why men by definition run faster than women. They have a higher center of gravity, in their shoulders. As a consequence of that, they run more efficiently, since in motion their legs move up and down, as dictated by the balance points of their shoulders.

dav abu
Aug 23rd, 2006, 04:27 PM
Venus at her best was unbelievably fast but after watching some of the old videos lately (especially 1988 final v Nav) I would have to say Steffi - her speed was incredible!

supergrunt
Aug 23rd, 2006, 04:36 PM
Venus is my pick. :) Would Steffi Graff get to some of the balls hit today that Venus gets to? No. I just think that she might have looked faster considering the way they used to play. Plus anyway, people are going to say Steffi Graff of course becuase they love her and stuff and all of her accomplishments. They are both good atheletes though. :)

supergrunt
Aug 23rd, 2006, 04:42 PM
Yeah Venusīs supreme court coverage, smooth movement and impecable footwork have allowed her to win many Roland Garros titles :lol:

*Waits for VWFAN to tell us that movement/footwork/speed around the court is more important at Wimbledon than Roland Garros :lol: :devil:

Actually Venus made it to the finals of Roland Garros in 2002 where she lost to Serena who was in form :)

spencercarlos
Aug 23rd, 2006, 04:50 PM
Actually Venus made it to the finals of Roland Garros in 2002 where she lost to Serena who was in form :)
Lets compare 6 Roland Garros titles to 1 Roland Garros RU, yeah it proves that Venusīs movement/speed/footwork around the court has allowed her to excel on Roland Garros each year :lol:

supergrunt
Aug 23rd, 2006, 04:54 PM
Lets compare 6 Roland Garros titles to 1 Roland Garros RU, yeah it proves that Venusīs movement/speed/footwork around the court has allowed her to excel on Roland Garros each year :lol:

That argument is rediculous and it makes no sense. Roger Federer and Pete Sampras don't have a Roland Garros title, are they slow? I'm not even going to reply to you anymore. :)

MrSerenaWilliams
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:10 PM
Venus is exponentially faster, but Steffi's movement was much more efficient

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:11 PM
Steffi probably has more foot speed, but those long limbs of Venus help her cover so much court without a lot of effort.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:12 PM
Lets compare 6 Roland Garros titles to 1 Roland Garros RU, yeah it proves that Venusīs movement/speed/footwork around the court has allowed her to excel on Roland Garros each year :lol:

Yeah because speed is the only thing need on a clay court :rolleyes:

Apoorv
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:14 PM
Steffi probably has more foot speed, but those long limbs of Venus help her cover so much court without a lot of effort.


My thoughts exactly! Just look at the videos posted earlier in this thread. this proves the fact.

tennisboi
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:31 PM
Steffi in her day she was the fastest. From side to side Venus is but over all Steffi is faster cause she moves up the court and covers the side angles quicker than Venus does