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"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 07:46 AM
Which places? Watched CNN and they whipped this guy for like 10 times while i was watching and there seemed no end in sight. In front of the whole village. That is way cruel, why cant they just put him in solitary somewhere? Or just take away his possesions or something. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

controlfreak
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:22 AM
In some African tribes whipping has been part of their culture for 1000s of years. If you asked them, the whippers and the whippees would both defend this tradition.

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:29 AM
In some African tribes whipping has been part of their culture for 1000s of years. If you asked them, the whippers and the whippees would both defend this tradition.

Similar to people who practice female gential cutting I'm sure that is right.

!<blocparty>!
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:18 PM
Sluggy = :retard:

Lord Nelson
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:36 PM
whipping is done is Muslim African nations. It is part of shariah law. You are whipped if you are caught drinking alcohol which is illegal under Islam. More extreme forms of shariah such as cutting off hands and stoning to death is also done such as in Northern Nigeria. Shariah law is popular among Muslims who believe it is divine law though most Muslim nations do not have these laws (I think).

I read the other day that in Indonesia, a person was sentenced to be whipped 20 times but after being whipped 6 times he fainted and his whipping will have to resume once he recovers.

The Crow
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:41 PM
CNN isn't that a TV-station from a country where the death penalty is still executed? :tape:

Experimentee
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:48 PM
Lots of countries still have things like whipping and caning as punishment. Not just in Africa.

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:49 PM
CNN isn't that a TV-station from a country where the death penalty is still executed? :tape:

Yes, in the most painless and humane fashion humankind has devised. Of course, those killed are Cop killers, serial killer rapists, etc. I am of course, not judging the practice, I was just very surprised. It seems physically brutal and very humiliating.

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:50 PM
Lots of countries still have things like whipping and caning as punishment. Not just in Africa.

wonderful, where else?

LenaDisforMe
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:51 PM
:haha: Sluggy is hilarious

ZAK
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:53 PM
Yes, in the most painless and humane fashion humankind has devised. Of course, those killed are Cop killers, serial killer rapists, etc. I am of course, not judging the practice, I was just very surprised. It seems physically brutal and very humiliating.

rapists spend notriously little time in jail, and why cop killers, specifically? is a person who kills a cop worse than someone who kills me?

the whipping is unfortunate though, but hardly suprising

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:03 PM
rapists spend notriously little time in jail, and why cop killers, specifically? is a person who kills a cop worse than someone who kills me?

i wasnt talking about rapists. the thread is about corporal punishment i witnessed in Africa on CNN this morning.

As for rapists, i dont know how long they spend in jail. I was saying Rape is not enough to get the death penalty. Usually the death penalty is carried on killers who rape women or children before they kill them. Most "killers" dont get the death penalty. It is the worst of the worst. And YES, if you are asking me if a person's penalty should be augmented for killing a police officer, I say yes. But I don't remember the legal or other reasoning behind it. I suppose being a cop is risky enuf, they need to be protected.

Volcana
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:08 PM
The only country I know of is Singapore. Of course, that isn't in Africa.

It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad. But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.

partbrit
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:11 PM
It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad. But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.


Yes, and don't forget thousands of U.S. homes.

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:13 PM
The only country I know of is Singapore. Of course, that isn't in Africa.

Actually, it might not even have been African. I assumed it was Africa because the people looked black African. Also the homes looked pretty African.

It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad.

Yeah, i'm not talking about "if people get whipped". I am talking about a society that openly whips people as a direct form or retribution. It is entirely different. You're referring to isolated cases of police brutality and stuff. that is not the same thing, but of course, still worthy of discussion in another thread. :)

But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.

Again, it is not the state-condoned and official method of deterring "bad behaviour". This was on CNN TV.

kabuki
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:51 PM
CNN isn't that a TV-station from a country where the death penalty is still executed? :tape:

Don't drag us into this steaming pile of a thread.

hablo
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:57 PM
Actually, it might not even have been African. I assumed it was Africa because the people looked black African. Also the homes looked pretty African.




so you don't even know for sure it was Africa or not ? :retard:
and you do know that Africa is a continent with many countries right, they don't all share the same customs either :rolleyes:

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 04:10 PM
so you don't even know for sure it was Africa or not ? :retard:

No. I saw a clip, it lasted 20 seconds. The people looked African. Are there other African-looking people that I am not aware that originate from places other than Africa? So I infer, Either the locale was in Africa, or a place close to Africa, or a place out of Africa where people of African origin live in villages. wow, that was good.

and you do know that Africa is a continent with many countries right, they don't all share the same customs either :rolleyes:

Yes, and i also know that within those countries, religious and culture can vary tremendously. I read a lot of anthropology books a lot hablo, and there was nothing politically incorrect about what i stated. There is nothing assumptive in my statements, those are just the facts.

hablo
Aug 22nd, 2006, 04:31 PM
Are there other African-looking people that I am not aware that originate from places other than Africa? what an ignorant question... African-looking people don't just live in Africa for reasons we don't need to revisit... :tape:



I read a lot of anthropology books a lot Griffin, and there was nothing politically incorrect about what i stated.
Maybe you should read those anthropology books again to see which african countries still whip people :rolleyes:

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 04:38 PM
what an ignorant question... African-looking people don't just live in Africa for reasons we don't need to revisit... :tape:

You're looking for something that isnt there. It was footage of someone being whipped with a thick stick in what appeared to be Africa. It wasnt the Americas and not Europe. My assumption that it was in Africa was absolutely reasonable.




Maybe you should read those anthropology books again to see which african countries still whip people :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Why?

hablo
Aug 22nd, 2006, 04:50 PM
You're looking for something that isnt there. It was footage of someone being whipped with a thick stick in what appeared to be Africa. It wasnt the Americas and not Europe. My assumption that it was in Africa was absolutely reasonable.you didn't sound too sure yourself in a previous post :Actually, it might not even have been African. I assumed it was Africa because the people looked black African. Also the homes looked pretty African.For people who have actually been to an african country you have no idea how ignorant this sounds :tape:
But I'm surely nitpicking cause I'm sick and tired of generalisations/assumptions about Africa, it's countries and many cultures :wavey:



Maybe you should read those anthropology books again to see which african countries still whip people :rolleyes:

Why?To find out the answer to your question in the thread title. :scratch:

"Sluggy"
Aug 22nd, 2006, 05:00 PM
NO no no ... i could have entitled the thread, "in which countries do they whip people". I could have. the country was obviously in Africa. I've never heard of or seen villages out of Africa that look African. Maybe it could have been Haiti, but the photos ive seen of Haiti dont look like that and i think the commentator said what country in Africa it was, i just didnt hear her well. I was like, honey "what did she say". but honey didnt hear her either. It might not have been the MOST polictically correct way to formulate the question, but it was entirely benign. I cant imagine anyone believing the people to be non-African, hence it had to be Africa. Of course, Africa may not be the only place corporal punishment is practice. I know little or nothing about corporal punishment.

James
Aug 22nd, 2006, 05:55 PM
Find more info here:

http://www.corpun.com/

Lord Nelson
Aug 22nd, 2006, 07:13 PM
The only country I know of is Singapore. Of course, that isn't in Africa.

It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad. But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.
I thought that you were an expert of Muslim society? You said you worked with a lot of Muslims. Why don't you say that whipping is practiced under Shariah law instead of picking one non Muslim nation and saying it is the 'only' nation that you can think of. In Singapore and Muslim nations many prisoners are actually caned and not whipped. But I guess the pain is more or less the samething. Mind you, I am not condemning whipping if that is the law of their country then so be it.

Helen Lawson
Aug 22nd, 2006, 07:15 PM
Whatever happened to that American litterbug from Singapore who got caned?

griffin
Aug 22nd, 2006, 07:31 PM
Whatever happened to that American litterbug from Singapore who got caned?


I think it was graffiti - and his family's stupidity - that got him caned (they were given the chance to leave, or have him leave, but they decided to fight it "on principle" Too bad they boy's backside wasn't given a say in the matter)

Last I heard, he went back to the States to live with his father, but has had a number of drug-related problems since (no idea if they predate the caning)

pst! Sluggo! griffin=griffin, hablo=notgriffin ;)

meyerpl
Aug 22nd, 2006, 07:39 PM
The only country I know of is Singapore. Of course, that isn't in Africa.

It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad. But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.
Where in the world are you getting this information? These days, guards working in U.S. prisons can be disciplined for swearing in front of an inmate. (Not at an inmate, in front of an inmate.) Whipping is out of the question.

griffin
Aug 22nd, 2006, 08:01 PM
Where in the world are you getting this information? These days, guards working in U.S. prisons can be disciplined for swearing in front of an inmate. (Not at an inmate, in front of an inmate.) Whipping is out of the question.

Can be, generally aren't. Abuse of prisoners by guards is a huge issue in US prisons. Not all of the, but a lot of them. The victems aren't in a position to complain (and not fear for their lives), and other guards aren't inclined to rat on each other.

SelesFan70
Aug 22nd, 2006, 08:47 PM
The only country I know of is Singapore. Of course, that isn't in Africa.

It's also rumored to be quitea frequent practice in USA prisons, both at home and abroad. But of course, the government denies this, and most media sources refuse to report on it.

Any chance to try and shit on the U.S. Volcana is there! :yeah:

hablo
Aug 22nd, 2006, 09:24 PM
pst! Sluggo! griffin=griffin, hablo=notgriffin ;)
Sluggo :lol: must think about you quite a bit :p:unsure:

Mforensic
Aug 22nd, 2006, 09:32 PM
Yes, in the most painless and humane fashion humankind has devised. Of course, those killed are Cop killers, serial killer rapists, etc. I am of course, not judging the practice, I was just very surprised. It seems physically brutal and very humiliating.


Ummm...not exactly....Some states still have hanging and death by firing squad. An old sparky (the electric chair) They shave your head, put a wet sponge where the electrodes go on your head. they also plugg up your bum with cotton along with wearing an adult diaper. Not exactly humane or dignified.

Mforensic
Aug 22nd, 2006, 09:42 PM
Can be, generally aren't. Abuse of prisoners by guards is a huge issue in US prisons. Not all of the, but a lot of them. The victems aren't in a position to complain (and not fear for their lives), and other guards aren't inclined to rat on each other.


Yes it is a big problem, but so are the overflowing prisons and the privileges that these prisoners get, when they have violated the law and have "given up their rights" Most prisoners complain about their rights and freedoms and what they don't. Example: They get free cable, 3 meals a day, an exercise yard, and some type of therapy. The average American has to pay for cable, electricity, etc..., buy food for themselves, and not all Americans have yards or can afford the gym. If I were them, I wouldn't complain.

Besides regarding whipping.....so what! It's only pain for a few hours or so as compared to losing your freedom or your life.

Volcana
Aug 22nd, 2006, 09:56 PM
Yeah, i'm not talking about "if people get whipped". I am talking about a society that openly whips people as a direct form or retribution. It is entirely different. You're referring to isolated cases of police brutality and stuff.Neither isolated nor involving the police, actually, but I see where you were headed now. Which brings me back to my original answer. The only country I know of is Singapore. There was quite an uproar in the States a few years back when an American was sentenced to be caned. For drug possession I believe.

Here's Wikipedia on the practice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore).

meyerpl
Aug 22nd, 2006, 10:23 PM
Can be, generally aren't. Abuse of prisoners by guards is a huge issue in US prisons. Not all of the, but a lot of them. The victems aren't in a position to complain (and not fear for their lives), and other guards aren't inclined to rat on each other.
Inmates ARE in a position to complain and they do so freely. It's one of their favorite pastimes; writing inmate complaints and filing lawsuits.

As for guards not being inclined to rat on each other, that's true, but guards also know that prisoner abuse is bad for everyone. An abused prisoner is a dangerous prisoner and a prison where abuse is rampant is a dangerous place to work. Remember, in prison, the only authority staff really has is by consent of the inmates, who outnumber staff by sometimes as much as 100 to 1. True, guards don't like to snitch on each other, they like to handle things among themselves. If one of them is abusing prisoners, they tend to be very forceful in their handling of the matter.

Lord Nelson
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:05 PM
Neither isolated nor involving the police, actually, but I see where you were headed now. Which brings me back to my original answer. The only country I know of is Singapore. There was quite an uproar in the States a few years back when an American was sentenced to be caned. For drug possession I believe.

Here's Wikipedia on the practice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caning_in_Singapore).
You are not a Muslim, now I know that. As for the American he deserved to be caned since he broke the law. He got caned like 3 times and no permanent damage was done.

tennisbum79
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:16 AM
CNN isn't that a TV-station from a country where the death penalty is still executed? :tape:

:worship: That was a good comeback.

They will probably say, compared to whipping, it is civlized way of administerting comared to whipping.
Although the Europeans think death penalty is incompatible with a civilized society.

I must also say many African countries with whipping as punishment do not have death penalty as punishment in their law.

njnetswill
Aug 23rd, 2006, 05:32 AM
I highly doubt the US would kill anyone that other countries would merely give a whipping to.

Stark
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:58 AM
You are not a Muslim, now I know that. As for the American he deserved to be caned since he broke the law. He got caned like 3 times and no permanent damage was done.

What's with your obsession with muslims? I noticed that you don't seem to go 3 consecutive posts without mentioning Islam. :lol: Look at your posts in this thread :rolleyes:

"Sluggy"
Aug 23rd, 2006, 09:01 AM
I just don't believe that bodily harm in necessary in this day and age. I don't judge it i just wish it didn't exist. If we put on our thinking caps we can find other methods to deter bad behaviour, and punish those who engage in it. of course, if you travel to places that practice capital punishment you should know what can happend if you screw up or if someone just thinks you did. As for American capital punishment, use of firing squad and the old electric chair is quite rare if not completely vestigious organ. It may still happen once in a blue moon, but it has mostly been stamped out. And as far as allegations about police or prison guard abuse towards prisoners, i have no doubt it happens. It happens in Europe too, China im sure is even worse. It just isn't, as i have already described, the on-the-books method to resolve problems. I know other groups of people do things differently. I just dont like the violence.

moby
Aug 23rd, 2006, 09:08 AM
Neither isolated nor involving the police, actually, but I see where you were headed now. Which brings me back to my original answer. The only country I know of is Singapore. There was quite an uproar in the States a few years back when an American was sentenced to be caned. For drug possession I believe.Michael Faye was caned for vandalism, not drug possession. The punishment for drug possession (above certain limits, depending on the type of drug) in Singapore is death by hanging.

Lord Nelson
Aug 23rd, 2006, 01:01 PM
What's with your obsession with muslims? I noticed that you don't seem to go 3 consecutive posts without mentioning Islam. :lol: Look at your posts in this thread :rolleyes:
I was answering the question title. I said that in many Muslim nations, sharia is implemented. You correctly in your bad rep to me said that various versions of shariah exists. Yes it is true, in most Muslim nations the extreme forms of shariah such as stoning to death does not exist. But the milder form such as flogging people who illegally drink alcohol exists in many Mulsim antions. In most Arab nations this is the norm.

You seem to have misunderstood me. I am not criticizing flogging in many Muslim nations (and non Muslim ones) nor am I saying that all Muslim nations practice it. I was just pointing it out. In European Muslim nations like Turkey and nations with sizeable Muslim populations like your nation, Bosnia, flogging is not done. Contrary to Sluggy I have no problems with flogging if it is the law of the country. Stoning to death on the other hand I am strongly against but this is done in very few nations.

Oh and why can't I mention Islam, are you allergic to it? Don't you mention U.S: all the time in your posts? :rolleyes:

griffin
Aug 23rd, 2006, 02:14 PM
You are not a Muslim, now I know that. As for the American he deserved to be caned since he broke the law. He got caned like 3 times and no permanent damage was done.

It was 4, commuted from 6, and my understanding is that like most people who get caned, he has permanent scars.

I don't have that much sympathy, because as I said earlier, they were given the opportunity to have him leave the country and go live with his father, and most Singaporeans charged with similar crimes get worse, but I do feel that's a bit excessive for a petty crime like graffiti.

(my partner went to the Singapore American School for a few years as a child, so we wound up following this a little more closely than we might have otherwise)

"Sluggy"
Aug 23rd, 2006, 03:33 PM
I don't have that much sympathy, because as I said earlier, they were given the opportunity to have him leave the country and go live with his father, and most Singaporeans charged with similar crimes get worse, but I do feel that's a bit excessive for a petty crime like graffiti.

One can always find instances of worse cases of abuse. Any type of torture and violent method of punishment in this day and age appears archaic to me. It is antiquated.

But I don't feel that way about the death penatly. At least it is final and it's purpose is not to make the person suffer any pain - just to put him assunder. :fiery: Of course, there are strong, valid arguments v. it.

drake3781
Aug 23rd, 2006, 06:10 PM
Whatever happened to that American litterbug from Singapore who got caned?

I remember that!

Singapore.

Any country under Sharia law, which includes: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, I have read Somalia now, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, and others.

Are Malaysia and Indonesia under Sharia law?

Lord Nelson
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:07 PM
I remember that!

Singapore.

Any country under Sharia law, which includes: Saudi Arabia, Iraq, I have read Somalia now, Nigeria, Pakistan, Sudan, and others.

Are Malaysia and Indonesia under Sharia law?
Malaysia and Indonesia are made up of states. Some of them are more conservative than others. Bali which is Hindu does not have sharia law but Aceh which is highly conservative does. Samething about Malaysia, Sudan and Nigeria. Some regions impelent sharia law while other don't.
Oops there I go about Islam again. My pal Stark is going to go stark raving mad. :lol: