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Martian Jeza
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:16 AM
With all the doping case with Marion Jones, Gatlin ( sp ? ), Landis, maybe also Armstrong : I know there's no evidence he took doping but I'm very suspicious... The last years many Americans were caught with doping. So my question is, are they the biggest cheaters ever in the sport ? It seems they took over the reputation some East-Europeans countries had in the 70ies, 80ies...

Diam's
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:10 AM
maybe also Armstrong : I know there's no evidence he took doping but I'm very suspicious...
1999 : Corticoids :o

JUSTICE4ALL
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:22 AM
No, were naturally talented and better than everyone else(Mostly African Americans) We love to win more anyone else, and we must win at all cost. In alot of countried just going to the olympics or in the finals is celebrated but not in America, its show, put up or shut up, most of time Americans take drugs to enchance to beat their fellow Americans not the rest of the world, especially in track, the U.S program is teh stronger its been ever now, losing Jones, Gatlin really doesn't mean much, also Track is hardly a popular domestic sport, so no one really cares! :)

Diam's
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:42 AM
No
most of time Americans take drugs to enchance to beat their fellow Americans not the rest of the world, especially in track:wavey: J-Baby
Are you drunk ? :D

JUSTICE4ALL
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:49 AM
Seriously more so in Track than any other sport, The U.S has 2-3 athletes that can win every spring event from 100m-400m and hurtles!

jbeacinu
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:50 AM
All them American sport's people want to cheat! Well MOST of them...lol

JUSTICE4ALL
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:53 AM
Also the USA has been great at almost all sports for 100 years, so its not like some countries for example I think we may see Chinese athletes again coming out of no where to win sporting events, but i'm not justifying cheating but I really dont care.

njnetswill
Aug 20th, 2006, 05:39 AM
USA has the most athletes in the most diverse range of professional sports, they also tend to be higher profile athletes. Do I need to name all the cyclists/mid-distance runners/ shot putters/ biathaletes etc. that have tested positive for other countries? No, because no one cares about Anna Somethingova who tested positive in some random Olympic event no one follows.

hingisGOAT
Aug 20th, 2006, 06:09 AM
argentina ftw!

Unbelievable
Aug 20th, 2006, 06:13 AM
No, were naturally talented and better than everyone else(Mostly African Americans) We love to win more anyone else, and we must win at all cost. In alot of countried just going to the olympics or in the finals is celebrated but not in America, its show, put up or shut up, most of time Americans take drugs to enchance to beat their fellow Americans not the rest of the world, especially in track, the U.S program is teh stronger its been ever now, losing Jones, Gatlin really doesn't mean much, also Track is hardly a popular domestic sport, so no one really cares! :)
:bowdown: You go girl! :kiss:

Unbelievable
Aug 20th, 2006, 06:15 AM
:wavey: J-Baby
Are you drunk ? :D
I think so :o

Crazy Canuck
Aug 20th, 2006, 07:13 AM
USA has the most athletes in the most diverse range of professional sports, they also tend to be higher profile athletes. Do I need to name all the cyclists/mid-distance runners/ shot putters/ biathaletes etc. that have tested positive for other countries? No, because no one cares about Anna Somethingova who tested positive in some random Olympic event no one follows.
:lol :yeah:

Singling out the USA for what is a general problem thoughout international sports is just silly.

mandy7
Aug 20th, 2006, 09:00 PM
silly, yet fun ;)

anyhow, don't think this is countryrelated
but there are quite a few americans stupid enough to get busted lately
ah well

Paul.
Aug 20th, 2006, 09:09 PM
No, were naturally talented and better than everyone else(Mostly African Americans) We love to win more anyone else, and we must win at all cost. In alot of countried just going to the olympics or in the finals is celebrated but not in America, its show, put up or shut up, most of time Americans take drugs to enchance to beat their fellow Americans not the rest of the world, especially in track, the U.S program is teh stronger its been ever now, losing Jones, Gatlin really doesn't mean much, also Track is hardly a popular domestic sport, so no one really cares! :)

are you kidding?! what about the people who won have won if it wasnt for their drug taking. or the people who actually have morals. what about the kinds who look up to these people?

i care!

and yeah, usa might be better lots of sports but i think russia will soon overtake in athletics.

i think its a little disrespectful to say what you have said but thats just my opinion :)

the whole meaning of the sport is lost when people cheat, so when they do, they have to expect backlash

GoDominique
Aug 20th, 2006, 09:20 PM
Yes, alongside everyone else.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 20th, 2006, 09:53 PM
The fact that there are more US athletes getting caught, doesn't mean anything. It is the proportion of athletes caught that you need to look at.

Rocketta
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:13 PM
I just love when people have zero perspective on history. :shrug:

Williamsser
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:24 PM
MLB is full of steroids. I was a fan of MLB when I was growing up. But now that I know that the players are steroid abusers, I don't follow baseball any longer.

Wigglytuff
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:28 PM
i love it even more when people hate for no reason. there is nothing wrong with hating but if you are going to do it you MUST have a better reason than well 3 people got caught cheating this month or whatever therefore the other 350,000,000 people who live in the same country are also cheaters :shrug:

Diam's
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:51 PM
350,000,000
:eek:

Wigglytuff
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:55 PM
:eek:
the us population as of the last census

Cat's Pajamas
Aug 20th, 2006, 10:57 PM
stupid thread :rolleyes:

but would you really expect anything else from Martian Jeza :shrug: :o

Fearful Jesuit
Aug 21st, 2006, 12:15 AM
argentina ftw!

yes!
Floyd Landis was born in Cordoba
Sesil Karatanacheva was born in Ayacucho
Karol Beck was born in Buenos Aires

mandy7
Aug 21st, 2006, 08:48 AM
Damn, what do they give those kids in your hospitals andy? :p

Fearful Jesuit
Aug 21st, 2006, 04:51 PM
Damn, what do they give those kids in your hospitals andy? :p

milk
our cows are incredible :smoke:

samsung101
Aug 23rd, 2006, 06:30 PM
Between soccer, track, and cycling, how many people from
various nations get nailed for drug use. Tennis and Argentina,
drug test failed, go hand in hand lately.


Look at how many athletes in the Tour De France were banned
or suspended before it even started- from all over the world.


The Eastern Europeans were giving drugs to the athletes, many
times w/o the athlete even knowing it.

Nowadays it's all about money and fame. Not national pride,
it's about cash.

Landis - from no one to champ. Again, why bother w/it. Did
he think no one would check or notice? Seriously, what a dummy.

The US has a lot of athletes, by sheer number, it's hard not
to find some that are cheating. Most are playing fairly.

Americans compete in everything. Most aren't cheating, don't
have to. But, I guess it's just so hard to say no to the
potential drugs can give you....why bother really?

Do these top athletes assume everyone else is cheating,
so why not? Guess so.


MLB did not ban steroids until recently. It allowed drugs
in on purpose. The baseball union is the strongest around,
and it did not want testing of any kind. It still has a pretty
MIckey Mouse testing system, compared to basketball of
football. While I think Bonds cheated, McGwire, too, they
didn't break any baseball rules in place when they hit all
those runs.

Brady Anderson - a so-so player to record breaker in one year.
Then fizzled out.




China, they just had a few drug tests failed this past week.

Little news though, all in sports we yawn through. The
China Olympics should be interesting, will China allow
tests to be fair? If, as suspected, many athletes are
using some kind of enhancement? Or did China just get
really, really good at so many sports that fast fairly?
Or will they just say it was famous chinese herbs? Sure
it is....


I don't trust the testing system they have right now. It's
too political, and I think some players will get ripped off
unfairly w/test results. They have to do a better job at
The Olympics, it's getting a terrible reputation.

Diam's
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:02 PM
the us population as of the last census
I thought it was 300,000,000 :shrug:

meyerpl
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:09 PM
As an American, I'm still trying to figure out how to cheat on this poll.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:35 PM
just heard on BBC radio that in NE China that in a school, teachers were found injecting EPO into 13 yr olds before an Athletics meet :eek:

all those teachers been arrested.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:38 PM
Between soccer, track, and cycling, how many people from
various nations get nailed for drug use. Tennis and Argentina,
drug test failed, go hand in hand lately.


Look at how many athletes in the Tour De France were banned
or suspended before it even started- from all over the world.


The Eastern Europeans were giving drugs to the athletes, many
times w/o the athlete even knowing it.

Nowadays it's all about money and fame. Not national pride,
it's about cash.

Landis - from no one to champ. Again, why bother w/it. Did
he think no one would check or notice? Seriously, what a dummy.

The US has a lot of athletes, by sheer number, it's hard not
to find some that are cheating. Most are playing fairly.

Americans compete in everything. Most aren't cheating, don't
have to. But, I guess it's just so hard to say no to the
potential drugs can give you....why bother really?

Do these top athletes assume everyone else is cheating,
so why not? Guess so.


MLB did not ban steroids until recently. It allowed drugs
in on purpose. The baseball union is the strongest around,
and it did not want testing of any kind. It still has a pretty
MIckey Mouse testing system, compared to basketball of
football. While I think Bonds cheated, McGwire, too, they
didn't break any baseball rules in place when they hit all
those runs.

Brady Anderson - a so-so player to record breaker in one year.
Then fizzled out.




China, they just had a few drug tests failed this past week.

Little news though, all in sports we yawn through. The
China Olympics should be interesting, will China allow
tests to be fair? If, as suspected, many athletes are
using some kind of enhancement? Or did China just get
really, really good at so many sports that fast fairly?
Or will they just say it was famous chinese herbs? Sure
it is....


I don't trust the testing system they have right now. It's
too political, and I think some players will get ripped off
unfairly w/test results. They have to do a better job at
The Olympics, it's getting a terrible reputation.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

every one of the NFL players is doped
there are no bans for frug use in US Sport :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

SelesFan70
Aug 23rd, 2006, 07:53 PM
i love it even more when people hate for no reason. there is nothing wrong with hating but if you are going to do it you MUST have a better reason than well 3 people got caught cheating this month or whatever therefore the other 350,000,000 people who live in the same country are also cheaters :shrug:

:speakles:

Most priceless post of 2006.

TheBoiledEgg
Aug 23rd, 2006, 08:33 PM
:speakles:

Most priceless post of 2006.

so stupid:lol: :lol:
thats how you judge everyone yourself :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Timariot
Aug 23rd, 2006, 09:50 PM
I don't know if US athletes are biggest cheaters ever (prolly not) but certainly, Anglo-American sports media is the most hypocritic ever. Achievments of '70/80's European track&field athletes - especially those of Eastern Europeans and fUSSR ones - were and are always dismissed as products of rampant doping use; yet the USA has/had perhaps the most lax doping control of all major sports nations and American investigation boards routinely revoked bans after swallowing ridiculous excuses given by caught athletes. Same goes for UK (perhaps to lesser extent).

Yeah, so Marita Koch was probably doped. So what? So was Florence Griffith-Joyner, and so is Marion Jones. And I know for a fact that track & field renaissance of my home country in late '60s/70's was powered by organized and rampant doping use.

samsung101
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:04 PM
If you're not cheating, you're not trying!


Jim Rome Show




We do not cheat.
We don't.
We don't.
Well, not that often anyway.

Timariot
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:09 PM
"Cheat if you must, abuse if you can."

Halardfan
Aug 23rd, 2006, 10:17 PM
I think the cheating is on a widepsread global scale now, and that singling out the US is largely unfair.

Back in the day too, East Germany kind of cheated on mass.

A key question is this...is Athletics alone in being so reif with cheating, or is it becuase athletics has a stricter regime of testing that more seem to get caught than in other sports.

Beyond that, when one watches an athletics event now it seems so tainted, you see some amazing perofrmance and my first though now is to wonder that they are on.

I used to think it only a minority who were cheats, but I fear it might be the norm now...think how many recent record brekaers and medalists have fallen in disgrace.

In some events I expect the first clean athlete home is the guy in about 6th...

SelesFan70
Aug 24th, 2006, 03:19 AM
so stupid:lol: :lol:
thats how you judge everyone yourself :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

I'm not judgemental. I comment on what is before my eyes. :wavey: If you STILL can't see it...then... :shrug:

saniafan2005
Aug 24th, 2006, 04:23 AM
well, NFL, NBA, MLB or NHL whatever ...drug use is everywhere otherwise they can't perform so superlatively....or they can't sustain in the compitition.....