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VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:53 AM
:sad:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081800926.html

Ferosh
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:55 AM
What an embarrassment. I can't believe she thought she would get away with it after all the scrutiny she's been put herself through.

CondiLicious
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:55 AM
what an idiot. why would you do that when you're the person that they most want to catch cheating????

hablo
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:58 AM
Marion Jones :help: :o
(and to think she's just like her ex, after all! :lol: )

!<blocparty>!
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:05 AM
:lol:

Sprinting is a total joke. It would be fun if they allowed everyone to use PHD's.

Martian KC
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:06 AM
Congrats Marion.

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:08 AM
What an embarrassment. I can't believe she thought she would get away with it after all the scrutiny she's been put herself through.

Perhaps she had gotten away with it for so long that she thought she could keep getting away with it.

Landis, now Jones.

Diam's
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:08 AM
another conspiracy! :o

Sam L
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:51 AM
I'd rather not win anything than be known as a cheat forever.

Her 2000 Olympic win was so beautiful and so inspirational but now it's meaningless.

Reuchlin
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:56 AM
they should take away all of her medals....from all past events.

Wigglytuff
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:58 AM
what a fuckin idiot!!!

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:14 AM
they should take away all of her medals....from all past events.

I think they can only annul her results from the date of the positive test onward. She'd keep all her Olympic and World Championship medals.

MinnyGophers
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:15 AM
another conspiracy! :o

I tell you, those French people and their conspiracy theories!!! They must have set her up like they did Landis. ;)

SJW
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:19 AM
Surprise fucking surprise :rolleyes:

harloo
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Why Marion? Why?????????????????????? :sad:

darrinbaker00
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:30 AM
Maybe she's pregnant..... :tape:

Williamsser
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:32 AM
Cheater.

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:41 AM
I always gave her the benefit of the doubt. But now that she's tested positive, they should strip her of her medals and banish her from the sport for life.

Liar, liar.

GoDominique
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:05 AM
Wow, she's so dumb.

-Ph51-
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Again... :rolleyes:

BUBI
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:46 AM
At last! :banana:

tfannis
Aug 19th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Ban her for life, good riddance! :)

Landis, Gatlin, Jones,...:o

Kim's_fan_4ever
Aug 19th, 2006, 10:42 AM
:lol:

Sprinting is a total joke. It would be fun if they allowed everyone to use PHD's.
In sport there should be no place for doping man....
Marion that was so stupid, there are no words to describe that...

galadriel
Aug 19th, 2006, 12:15 PM
No words :sad:

Joana
Aug 19th, 2006, 12:43 PM
It doesn't make any sense. She knew that she was the biggest suspect and all eyes were on her. It makes me believe that someone had given her guarantee that she'd get away with it, but something went wrong, and I think that's what happens most times someone gets caught.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:14 PM
Oh Marion!! What a stupid thing to do :rolleyes:

Kart
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:22 PM
:sad:

wipeout
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:05 PM
For years, Jones was coached by controversial speed coach Trevor Graham, whose Sprint Capitol running organization in North Carolina has been racked by drug suspensions and who himself is being investigated by a federal grand jury. For a time, Jones also worked out with renegade Canadian coach Charlie Francis, who admitted providing drugs to Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson, who tested positive for steroids after setting a world record in the 100-meter race at the 1988 Games in Seoul.

Jones herself has been dodging drug allegations since her days as a schoolgirl sports superstar.

Jones grew up in Los Angeles and excelled at both running and basketball. By 1992, when she was 16, she had established herself as the fastest high school girl in the United States. But two months before the Olympic trials, she was suspended and threatened with a four-year ban for failing to show up for an out-of-competition drug test. Famed Los Angeles lawyer Johnnie Cochran won her reinstatement.

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/08/19/JONES.TMP


:tape: :rolleyes: :(

The police need to be involved now internationally to save athletics, cycling and other sports. They need to spy on athletes, coaches and team doctors before these sports become any more of a joke than they are already.

adamaglaia
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:28 PM
don't blame her, she's got company, Floyd Landis, yeah, fakest jerk!

Lord Nelson
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:03 PM
Lucky Flo Jo, she never was found guilty of doping.

Pureracket
Aug 19th, 2006, 03:15 PM
Lucky Flo Jo, she never was found guilty of doping.I wonder why a person who didn't do drugs would be found guilty of it.

Paneru
Aug 19th, 2006, 04:37 PM
I wonder why a person who didn't do drugs would be found guilty of it.

Pathetic sour ass losers! :p

They couldn't stand how Flo was
untouchable and that sad ass liar coming
out and saying he gave her this and that.

Then, those same assholes usued her untimely
death to try and say something as well.

Flo was & is the best! :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0eXOXO5fjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TF5psyfTSo

Yonexforever
Aug 19th, 2006, 04:46 PM
:sad:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/18/AR2006081800926.html
HOW FUCKIN STOOOPID CAN SHE BE... HER CAREER IS OVER NOW.
sAME THING FOR JUSTIN GATLIN!!!
:confused:

Paneru
Aug 19th, 2006, 04:57 PM
according to sources with knowledge of the test results.

Interesting! :tape:

The results of the test have not been made public because the testing on Jones's urine sample has not been completed, sources said. Only after the second half of her sample -- the backup sample -- is tested, would Jones be charged with a doping violation. If EPO is found in the B sample as well, she would face a two-year ban from track and field.

And if it isn't, these "sources with knowledge" have
already accomplished what they intended to. ;)


Yet, this is what the American culture has
turned into anyways. :cool:

Yonexforever
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Pathetic sour ass losers! :p

They couldn't stand how Flo was
untouchable and that sad ass liar coming
out and saying he gave her this and that.

Then, those same assholes usued her untimely
death to try and say something as well.

Flo was & is the best! :cool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0eXOXO5fjM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9TF5psyfTSo

MAY SHE REST IN PEACE.. BUT FLO JO.. MOST CERTAINLY WAS JUICED.. HER RESULTS SPIKED SUDDENLY AFTER YEARS OF BEING AN ALSO RAN.. BUT SHE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF NOR IS IT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSING.

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:36 PM
MAY SHE REST IN PEACE.. BUT FLO JO.. MOST CERTAINLY WAS JUICED.. HER RESULTS SPIKED SUDDENLY AFTER YEARS OF BEING AN ALSO RAN.. BUT SHE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF NOR IS IT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSING.

Flo Jo was such a beautiful champion. Her early and untimely death seemed particularly haunting because she had always been a world-class athlete.

People always accused her of doping, but they never got a positive sample from her.

GoDominique
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:44 PM
Flo Jo was such a beautiful champion. Her early and untimely death seemed particularly haunting because she had always been a world-class athlete.

People always accused her of doping, but they never got a positive sample from her.
No, but that means nothing.

Pretty sure she was full of it, and maybe she paid the price for that.

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:48 PM
No, but that means nothing.

Pretty sure she was full of it, and maybe she paid the price for that.

Full of what????

Not even toxicology or autopsy reported any such thing. And if she had been using any type of steroid, it would have shown up.

FloJo never hurt another soul. Let her rest in peace.

tennismaster8820
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:52 PM
Flo Jo was definatly taking something, who ever thinks she didn't is delusional! She looked like man at the end! It was not natural!

spudrsca
Aug 19th, 2006, 07:58 PM
Flo jo was using doping and I bet very heavily.
But she paid the price by dying at the age of 38.

Paneru
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:26 PM
MAY SHE REST IN PEACE.. BUT FLO JO.. MOST CERTAINLY WAS JUICED.. HER RESULTS SPIKED SUDDENLY AFTER YEARS OF BEING AN ALSO RAN.. BUT SHE IS NOT HERE TO DEFEND HERSELF NOR IS IT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSING.

Not worth discussing
and yet you have no hesitation
based on assumption and speculation
to say she was "juiced". Yeah, nice one. :rolleyes: :p

hablo
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:29 PM
Lucky Flo Jo, she never was found guilty of doping.
Exactly :lol:
She also died quite young from it :o

Paneru
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:33 PM
Exactly :lol:
She also died quite young from it :o
:rolleyes: :yawn:

Guess people can't handle the "fact" that she
was kick ass from their "assumption" in order
to dispute her natural talent.

darrinbaker00
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:39 PM
Not worth discussing
and yet you have no hesitation
based on assumption and speculation
to say she was "juiced". Yeah, nice one. :rolleyes: :p
Don't you find it odd that no one has come close to Flo-Jo's 100 meter world record in 18 years?

Paneru
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:43 PM
Don't you find it odd that no one has come close to Flo-Jo's 100 meter world record in 18 years?

Yes, because in all of sports Flo
has the only record remaining
un-borken since the late 80's. :cool:

"Assumption" "speculation" and so forth. Yet she's
guilty because we are following the rule of thumb
these days that you're "guilty until proven innocent"
and even then people still find ways to spite you.

And even more perfect, because she is gone and
while nothing has ever proven her false, certain
folks can always be there to voice their "buts"
and give her records an unofficial asterisk.

Whatever floats their boat. :)

Paul.
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:47 PM
i really wanna know what these people are thinking

Viktymise
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:00 PM
Not suprised at all to be honest i sensed she was when i saw her run a few weeks ago and still she lost to Simpson :tape: ruins it for everyone else

GoDominique
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:13 PM
Yes, because in all of sports Flo
has the only record remaining
un-borken since the late 80's. :cool:
No, but unlike others, her records are from another world comparexd to anyone else's times. Even doper Marion didn't come close to them.
Also, most records have been broken by now, except those made by East-German athletes who nowadays are confirmed to be achieved with the help of doping.

Viktymise
Aug 19th, 2006, 10:16 PM
I loved flo jo she was the shiz shame she was doping tho probably :sad:

jrm
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:04 AM
It doesn't make any sense. She knew that she was the biggest suspect and all eyes were on her. It makes me believe that someone had given her guarantee that she'd get away with it, but something went wrong, and I think that's what happens most times someone gets caught.

Of course ... bribary and corruption; that's how they get away (or else how dumb can you be to take something knowing you'll get caught).

If you ask me i think they knew but she was the queen of athletics and this would really hurt the sport if their no.1 turned up to be fake! Same thing with Armstrong - rumours came alive really after he finished the career. Can you imagine doping scandal involving most famous cyclist in the world - would be final nail in the coffin in already doping-plagued sport!

jrm
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:06 AM
FloJo's record is illegal anyway - the story is going around that during her 100m WR race triple-jumper Willy Banks (the best one at that time) was taking his jump and had wind assistance around +5.0m/s (2.0 allowed)

~Cherry*Blossom~
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:20 AM
FloJo's record is illegal anyway - the story is going around that during her 100m WR race triple-jumper Willy Banks (the best one at that time) was taking his jump and had wind assistance around +5.0m/s (2.0 allowed)


but the 10.54 secs at the '88 Olympics was legal though? 10.49 or 10.54, I can't see any woman getting close to that anytime soon. Or even in my lifetime.

~Cherry*Blossom~
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:22 AM
No, but unlike others, her records are from another world comparexd to anyone else's times. Even doper Marion didn't come close to them.
Also, most records have been broken by now, except those made by East-German athletes who nowadays are confirmed to be achieved with the help of doping.

what about the Chinese woman's world record in the 10,000m??

I constantly hear the BBC commentators saying they don't believe it was a true record (i.e. they think she was doping) because the second 5,000m was ran quicker than the first 5,000m and quicker than the then current 5,000m world record.

hablo
Aug 20th, 2006, 01:11 AM
Don't you find it odd that no one has come close to Flo-Jo's 100 meter world record in 18 years?
he/she's in denial :spit:

drake3781
Aug 20th, 2006, 01:30 AM
What is Balco? :confused:


I support a lifetime ban for all cheaters, track, tennis, biking, and other!!


And tighten up the testing process to catch them.

Pureracket
Aug 20th, 2006, 03:59 AM
I actually would love for them to be able to use the drugs. Why not? Who wouldn't like to see somebody hit 90 homeruns in a season? Run the 100 in 6.5 seconds? Pole vault 60 meters?

serenafan08
Aug 20th, 2006, 05:35 AM
It's really unfortunate. Marion was one of my favorite sprinters when she was in her heyday, and now the thought of it all being a fraud is just sickening. She should have just been honest from the get go - because as the saying goes - what's done in darkness will eventually come to the light.

Jennifer North
Aug 20th, 2006, 07:53 AM
:rolleyes: :yawn:

Guess people can't handle the "fact" that she
was kick ass from their "assumption" in order
to dispute her natural talent.

omg, honey, are you that naive? she was never "officially" caught and neither was Carl Lewis, who was doping up blatantly as we found out later on... Marion's use of illegal substances must be almost as old as her career, but only recently she became expendable enough to be granted a public outing...

Martian KC
Aug 20th, 2006, 02:20 PM
Flo jo was using doping and I bet very heavily.
But she paid the price by dying at the age of 38.

Agreed. I've always speculated about athletes that die at such an early age.

mc8114
Aug 20th, 2006, 03:56 PM
Shame on Marion Jones, i used to be a fan, now i'm terribly disappointed at her.

Diesel
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:41 AM
At last! :banana:

That's how I feel, now give me Barry Bonds.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:49 AM
I'm sorry, but Flo Jo was juiced to the max as well. No one has come close to her times in the 100m and 200m...and the one next fastest to those times was Marion herself who is now being exposed as a cheat and a fraud. I read an article some months back regarding sprinting and doping, and it's estimated that pretty much all elite sprinters are doping. It stated that any world level 100m final, pretty much every athete that steps into the blocks is doping.

samsung101
Aug 24th, 2006, 05:36 PM
You mean her bulky shoulders, chest, stomach, and stance

weren't natural? She looked like she could tackle Jerome

Bettis.


Ex-husband, boyfriend, coach, former coaches, all with
links to performance enhancing drugs, and linked to
Marion.

No surprise.

She's done.

Cilla
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:05 PM
Marion :rolleyes: I'm suprised it took so long.

Timariot
Aug 24th, 2006, 06:17 PM
Flo Jo was such a beautiful champion. Her early and untimely death seemed particularly haunting because she had always been a world-class athlete.

People always accused her of doping, but they never got a positive sample from her.

None of the East European super-doped champs were caught either. What's that supposed to prove? Michael Johnson was ultra-doped as hell too, with enormous bulk and yellow eyes a'la Ben Johnson, and was never caught. None of doped Finnish athletes from the '70s were caught either.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 7th, 2006, 07:18 PM
bump :p
Change of Heart anyone? :tape:
I mean I can understand why people rationalized why Floyd Landis cheated but I never saw the rationalization for Marion.
This women was a very good basketball player for the Tar Heels.
She's always been an athlete whose always been on the radar for over a decade.
I'm 100% sure she didn't cheat in her basketball years and I see no reason for her doing it now.

samsung101
Sep 7th, 2006, 08:05 PM
While I think she deserves the scrutiny, and the continued
suspicion for her associations, this test came up clean.

The rules therefore say she did not cheat in that event.
The B sample is clean, therefore, her results are clean.
It should receive as much media coverage as the A sample
result did.

V.S.
Sep 7th, 2006, 09:39 PM
Five-time Olympic champion Jones' 'B' sample negative


Sep. 6, 2006
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NEW YORK -- Marion Jones' latest comeback came in a laboratory, where her backup sample turned up clean -- a stunning twist that clears her to compete and could validate a long list of triumphs sullied by years of doping allegations.

The "B" sample taken from one of the world's best-known and most decorated sprinters did not detect the banned endurance enhancer EPO, her attorneys said Wednesday night.

The finding means her initial positive result is thrown out, clearing her of the most recent -- and most damaging -- allegations against Jones and paving the way for her return to the track.

"I am absolutely ecstatic," Jones said in a statement released by her lawyers. "I have always maintained that I have never ever taken performance enhancing drugs, and I am pleased that a scientific process has now demonstrated that fact."

Long a target of governing bodies in track and the Olympic movement, Jones always vehemently denied ever taking performance-enhancing drugs. But she tested positive for EPO on June 23, after winning the 100 meters at U.S. nationals for her first sprint title since 2002.

http://images.sportsline.com/u/photos/football/nfl/img9643202.jpg Breathe easy, Marion, you're off the hook. (AP) She withdrew from the 200 meters the next day and was slated to race at a meet in Switzerland in August, but withdrew unexpectedly. Hours later, reports of her positive "A" test for EPO were revealed.

She faced a minimum two-year ban, pending the result of the backup, or "B," test, conducted at the same UCLA lab using the same sample.

"I am anxious to get back on the track," the 30-year-old sprinter said.

The International Association of Athletics Federations is awaiting notification of the lab result.

"We have not received any formal notification from the lab," IAAF spokesman Nick Davies said Thursday. "Until then, we can't comment. Only until we receive the notification and accept the explanation can we make any decision on her eligibility."

The statement about the results, released by attorney Rich Nichols, said Jones was informed of the negative test by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency. USADA does not comment on active cases and never acknowledged Jones' positive "A" test.

World Anti-Doping Agency chairman Dick Pound said "EPO is open to interpretation."

"Maybe the first one was made too hastily," Pound said in a phone interview Thursday with the Associated Press. "You wouldn't think there would be variations between the amount in sample A and sample B. I'm sure there will be some explanation forthcoming from the lab or from USADA.

"I think the test is good, you just have to know how to read it."

USADA general counsel Travis Tygart did not immediately return messages left late Wednesday by the Associated Press. U.S. Olympic Committee spokesman Darryl Seibel said the federation had no comment.

Questions have long been raised about the reliability of EPO testing, and this negative "B" test will spark further debate.

"I believe there are issues with that test," said Howard Jacobs, another Jones attorney who has defended several athletes on doping charges. "It's a difficult test. From what I saw on the 'A' sample, it was questionable as to whether it should've been called a positive. I can't say I was shocked that the 'B' came back negative based on what the 'A' looked like."

As he has in the doping case involving Tour de France winner Floyd Landis, Jacobs derided the leaking of positive tests. Doping cases aren't supposed to be made public until they are resolved, but most are reported once a positive `A' test is confirmed.

"This is perfect illustration of why this new trend of leaking A-positives is a horrible thing," Jacobs said. "This whole thing should have happened anonymously. Marion should've been able to keep competing and no one should have known about it."

EPO is also known as Erythropoietin, a banned performance-enhancer that can boost endurance.

Jones, who has five world championships to go with her Olympic medals, dominated track and field in the late 1990s. At the Sydney Games, she became the first woman to win five Olympic medals - taking gold in the 100 meters, 200 meters, 1,600-meter relay and bronze in the long jump and 400-meter relay.

Since then, her reputation has suffered. She is one of several athletes who has testified to the federal grand jury investigating BALCO in 2003. Her ex-husband, C.J. Hunter, and Bay Area Laboratory Co-operative founder Victor Conte have accused her of using banned substances, allegations she has denied.

Her former coach, Trevor Graham, has been linked to several athletes in trouble for doping, including Justin Gatlin, who recently tested positive for testosterone or other steroids and faces a possible eight-year ban. Last December, the father of Jones' son, sprinter Tim Montgomery, retired after he was banned for two years for doping violations -- the result of information gathered in the BALCO probe.

Earlier this year, the International Olympic Committee said it would continue to investigate Jones' performance in Sydney to determine whether she was doping then.

Jacobs said the turnaround in Jones' case places a burden on sports federations and those who administer the tests to make sure they're doing a good job and following protocol on releasing results.

"They need to look at their procedures," Jacobs said. "Not USADA so much as the sports federations" who leak the positive tests.

"They always talk about holding athletes to the highest standards," he said. "They need to follow their own rules. This kind of calls them on the carpet."

AP NEWS
The Associated Press News Service

Paneru
Sep 7th, 2006, 11:51 PM
bump :p
Change of Heart anyone? :tape:
I mean I can understand why people rationalized why Floyd Landis cheated but I never saw the rationalization for Marion.
This women was a very good basketball player for the Tar Heels.
She's always been an athlete whose always been on the radar for over a decade.
I'm 100% sure she didn't cheat in her basketball years and I see no reason for her doing it now.

Exactly!

It's not like Marion was some hack
and then suddenly became a champ!

Diam's
Sep 8th, 2006, 12:42 AM
Same thing with Tyler Hamilton (team Phonak :tape: ) at the 2004 Olympics :

sample B ----> negative






... but we all know what happened next. :D

RVD
Sep 8th, 2006, 03:42 AM
bump :p
Change of Heart anyone? :tape:
I mean I can understand why people rationalized why Floyd Landis cheated but I never saw the rationalization for Marion.
This women was a very good basketball player for the Tar Heels.
She's always been an athlete whose always been on the radar for over a decade.
I'm 100% sure she didn't cheat in her basketball years and I see no reason for her doing it now.:haha: :worship:
I know. I'm sitting her chuckling at all here who posted nasty comments about her. I always held to the possibility that the sample was either tampered with [because they've been after her for damn near a decade now] or contaminated.
So many here embarrassingly have egg on their faces. :lol: I also can't help but think that most here hoped that she'd been stripped of her wins even before the erroneous disclosure. :rolleyes:
Shame, really.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2006, 03:50 AM
Honestly, I still don't believe she is/was a clean athlete... The world of athletics is dirty, sorry to burst anyone's bubble but it's the truth.

Paneru
Sep 8th, 2006, 03:58 AM
Honestly, I still don't believe she is/was a clean athlete... The world of athletics is dirty, sorry to burst anyone's bubble but it's the truth.

Wow!
I thought you were so much smarter
than to say something like that
generalizing an entire group! :sad:

Their is no doubt the sports have cheaters and been dirty from
the time of Ancient Greece to Today and will be so beyond.

However, you cannot and it does not give you
the right to condemn an entire group because
you have dirty people.

One rotten apple does not ruin the
entire bunch. Not right to dismiss a life's worth
of work for the clean people in the sport because
their are some that cheat.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:02 AM
Wow!
I thought you were so much smarter
than to say something like that
generalizing an entire group! :sad:

Their is no doubt the sports have cheaters and been dirty from
the time of Ancient Greece to Today and will be so beyond.

However, you cannot and it does not give you
the right to condemn an entire group because
you have dirty people.

One rotten apple does not ruin the
entire bunch. Not right to dismiss a life's worth
of work for the clean people in the sport because
their are some that cheat.

I never said that ALL of athletics was dirty, but it's a dirty sport just like cycling and American football. Sorry but I don't take things for face value, you gotta look at obvious signs. It's very obvious that a huge percentage of elite sprinters are dopers.

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:03 AM
Wow!
I thought you were so much smarter
than to say something like that
generalizing an entire group! :sad:

Their is no doubt the sports have cheaters and been dirty from
the time of Ancient Greece to Today and will be so beyond.

However, you cannot and it does not give you
the right to condemn an entire group because
you have dirty people.

One rotten apple does not ruin the
entire bunch. Not right to dismiss a life's worth
of work for the clean people in the sport because
their are some that cheat.

2nd, who the f*ck are you to judge how smart I am? You don't know me and never will.

Williamsser
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:12 AM
Flo Jo was such a beautiful champion. Her early and untimely death seemed particularly haunting because she had always been a world-class athlete.

People always accused her of doping, but they never got a positive sample from her.

Is she the one with the long painted nails? I loved her and those nails.

Paneru
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:17 AM
I never said that ALL of athletics was dirty, but it's a dirty sport just like cycling and American football. Sorry but I don't take things for face value, you gotta look at obvious signs. It's very obvious that a huge percentage of elite sprinters are dopers.

Yes, you didn't say it but
your words implied it.

2nd, who the f*ck are you to judge how smart I am?

Yeah that's right, let's be smart and generalize
and condemn and nullify workings an entire group
because it has some rotten people in it! :bounce:

Guilty by association or
always under suspicion regardless.

You don't know me and never will.
And judging from your response
I have no desire to! :kiss:

Have a nice life! :wavey: :lol:

VeeReeDavJCap81
Sep 8th, 2006, 04:49 AM
Yes, you didn't say it but
your words implied it.

No you generated your own interpretation of what I said


Yeah that's right, let's be smart and generalize
and condemn and nullify workings an entire group
because it has some rotten people in it! :bounce:

Again you've generated your own interpretation of what I said.

Have a nice life! :wavey: :lol:

:lol: So babyish, I was having a nice life before you posted in this thread, and I will continue to have one :kiss: :wavey:

jrm
Sep 8th, 2006, 11:05 AM
Big deal - she or her lawyers paid for 'clean' B test :help:

I never understood that - how can you tset positive on A test but negative on B test :shrug:

Renee
Sep 8th, 2006, 06:27 PM
Same thing with Tyler Hamilton (team Phonak :tape: ) at the 2004 Olympics :

sample B ----> negative






... but we all know what happened next. :D

What happened next????

Viktymise
Sep 8th, 2006, 06:49 PM
still think shes doping, 1 of the came up positive, that counts for something, there have been way way too many detrimental factors against her, its either that or a massive coincidence :shrug:

BUBI
Sep 8th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Another doper got off the hook :fiery:

BUBI
Sep 8th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Big deal - she or her lawyers paid for 'clean' B test :help:

I never understood that - how can you tset positive on A test but negative on B test :shrug:
EPO-test is very sensitive and EPO will partly disappear from the sample if it's not stored properly or if it's stored for a long time. The sample was taken in june and analysed (b) in early september... I'm sure Jones did her best to delay the process...

I just hope that she will be booed very loud when she competes next time :mad:

RVD
Sep 8th, 2006, 10:12 PM
Okay people, let's get it straight once and for all.

MARION JONES WAS CLEARED OF DOPING ALLEGATIONS.

It doesn't really matter what anyone THINKS. The fact of the matter is...

She.

Tested.

Negative.

On.

Her.

Backup.

Sample. :shrug:

People also need to understand that there are two bigger issues at play here.
1) The first sample was never really a true positive. :hehehe:

Anyone familiar with these tests know that it is an extremely difficult test. Many athletes [as of recent] have had to deal with the same 'false' results as Marion. This is one reason for the back-up tests ['B' samples]. The FACT is that sample 'A' was questionable to begin with and THIS is what Marion's attorneys are arguing. And if people took the time to get off their fannies to research this, there would be no ridiculous debate over it.

2) The QUESTIONABLE sample 'A' result was leaked to the press. :hehehe:

Hmm...? I wonder why? Could it be, as I stated before, that certain individuals and groups have been looking to discredit Ms. Jones for year?! I wish people would wake the hell up and realize that all world-class athletes go through this, to some degree. Some more than others.

So everyone here who agreed with the initial 'doping report' jumped to conclusions based upon leaked, unconfirmed, questionable, testing samples. That's gotta be embarrassing. :o

Still, an even bigger problem is that NOW this ridiculous episode has raised unfounded doubt in people's minds, and so Marion will have to fight that doubt for the rest of her career. That alone will probably make some in here happy. :(

I swear, sometimes I just wonder where we are going as a culture when some latch on to petty hatred and allows such to rule their lives?

PATHETIC!! :mad:

darrinbaker00
Sep 8th, 2006, 11:07 PM
I freely admit that, against my better judgment, I had Marion Jones tried and convicted. If there was ever a poster child for Guilt by Association, it's Marion; just about every person she's worked and/or slept with during her career is dirty, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that some of their dirt rubbed off on her. I should have known better when they said she tested positive for EPO, because sprinters are strength athletes, not endurance athletes. After reading about Floyd Landis and Justin Gatlin (who was surprisingly cooperative, I must say), I guess I was in a "they're all dirty" mood and took it out on Marion, whom I actually like. Anyway, I'm glad I was wrong, and I'm glad Marion can keep running. Baby needs a new pair of shoes, extra diapers, more formula.....

Diam's
Sep 8th, 2006, 11:10 PM
What happened next????
He tested positive one month later :lol: :tape:

CondiLicious
Sep 8th, 2006, 11:57 PM
still think shes doping, 1 of the came up positive, that counts for something, there have been way way too many detrimental factors against her, its either that or a massive coincidence :shrug:

It counts for nothing. I've been tested myself when I used to compete. You give them one pee sample, half is put in container "A" and half is put in container "B". And by all accounts her "A" sample contained traces of EPO so small that it's questionable why it was even considered a positive result in the first place.

RVD
Sep 9th, 2006, 12:42 AM
I freely admit that, against my better judgment, I had Marion Jones tried and convicted. If there was ever a poster child for Guilt by Association, it's Marion; just about every person she's worked and/or slept with during her career is dirty, so it wouldn't be much of a stretch to assume that some of their dirt rubbed off on her. I should have known better when they said she tested positive for EPO, because sprinters are strength athletes, not endurance athletes. After reading about Floyd Landis and Justin Gatlin (who was surprisingly cooperative, I must say), I guess I was in a "they're all dirty" mood and took it out on Marion, whom I actually like. Anyway, I'm glad I was wrong, and I'm glad Marion can keep running. Baby needs a new pair of shoes, extra diapers, more formula.....You are a brave, honest, and moral individual. :worship: :wavey:

RVD
Sep 9th, 2006, 12:52 AM
It counts for nothing. I've been tested myself when I used to compete. You give them one pee sample, half is put in container "A" and half is put in container "B". And by all accounts her "A" sample contained traces of EPO so small that it's questionable why it was even considered a positive result in the first place.Exactly my point.
Much of what's tested for are naturally occuring hormones that the body produces anyway, which makes many of these tests so inaccurate. Also, the tests can be influenced by illnesses and foods. Now try eliminating those from the equation. :lol: Even legal over-the-counter drugs have altered tests results.
I certainly wouldn't want the responsibility that a lab tech has. Because if you err it's your job and someone's career at stake. :)

darrinbaker00
Sep 9th, 2006, 12:52 AM
You are a brave, honest, and moral individual. :worship: :wavey:
Don't say that out loud. I have an image to maintain. :devil:

darrinbaker00
Sep 9th, 2006, 12:58 AM
Exactly my point.
Much of what's tested for are naturally occuring hormones that the body produces anyway, which makes many of these tests so inaccurate. Also, the tests can be influenced by illnesses and foods. Now try eliminating those from the equation. :lol: Even legal over-the-counter drugs have altered tests results.
I certainly wouldn't want the responsibility that a lab tech has. Because if you err it's your job and someone's career at stake. :)
Does anyone know what would happen if an "A" sample tests positive for one drug and the "B" sample tests positive for something else? After what happened is this case, you can't rule anything out.

Wannabeknowitall
Sep 9th, 2006, 01:09 AM
I freely admit that, against my better judgment, I had Marion Jones tried and convicted.

OMG. You were wrong? :eek:
I thought the end of the world was suppose to happen or something.

RVD
Sep 9th, 2006, 01:10 AM
Does anyone know what would happen if an "A" sample tests positive for one drug and the "B" sample tests positive for something else? After what happened is this case, you can't rule anything out.Unsure. :scratch:
But I know that they test for so many, that this may happen more often than you might think. Still, nothing can be done unless one test confirms the other. In other words, if BOTH test results indicate doping.

BUBI
Sep 9th, 2006, 08:56 AM
Okay people, let's get it straight once and for all.

MARION JONES WAS CLEARED OF DOPING ALLEGATIONS.

It doesn't really matter what anyone THINKS. The fact of the matter is...

She.

Tested.

Negative.

On.

Her.

Backup.

Sample. :shrug:

People also need to understand that there are two bigger issues at play here.
1) The first sample was never really a true positive. :hehehe:

Anyone familiar with these tests know that it is an extremely difficult test. Many athletes [as of recent] have had to deal with the same 'false' results as Marion. This is one reason for the back-up tests ['B' samples]. The FACT is that sample 'A' was questionable to begin with and THIS is what Marion's attorneys are arguing. And if people took the time to get off their fannies to research this, there would be no ridiculous debate over it.

2) The QUESTIONABLE sample 'A' result was leaked to the press. :hehehe:

Hmm...? I wonder why? Could it be, as I stated before, that certain individuals and groups have been looking to discredit Ms. Jones for year?! I wish people would wake the hell up and realize that all world-class athletes go through this, to some degree. Some more than others.

So everyone here who agreed with the initial 'doping report' jumped to conclusions based upon leaked, unconfirmed, questionable, testing samples. That's gotta be embarrassing. :o

Still, an even bigger problem is that NOW this ridiculous episode has raised unfounded doubt in people's minds, and so Marion will have to fight that doubt for the rest of her career. That alone will probably make some in here happy. :(

I swear, sometimes I just wonder where we are going as a culture when some latch on to petty hatred and allows such to rule their lives?

PATHETIC!! :mad:

Conte said she was doped. CJ Hunter said she was doped.
BALCO for God's sake :tape:
We don't even need a positive test, Mongomery was banned too without a positive test :D

Allegations of using performance enhancing drugs

Jones has been dodging drug allegations since her days as a schoolgirl sports superstar. By 1992, when she was 16, she had established herself as the fastest high school girl in the United States. But two months before the Olympic trials, she was suspended and threatened with a four-year ban for failing to show up for an out-of-competition drug test.

For years, Jones was coached by controversial speed coach Trevor Graham, whose Sprint Capitol running organization in North Carolina has been racked by drug suspensions and who himself is being investigated by a federal grand jury. For a time, Jones also worked out with renegade Canadian coach Charlie Francis, who admitted providing drugs to Canadian sprinter Ben Johnson, who tested positive for steroids after setting a world record in the 100-meter race at the 1988 Games in Seoul.[2]

On December 3, 2004, Victor Conte, the founder of BALCO, appeared in an interview with Martin Bashir on ABC's 20/20. In the interview, Conte told a national audience that he had personally given Jones five different illegal performance enhancing drugs before, during and after the 2000 Sydney Olympic Games. In the course of investigative research, reporters Lance Williams and Mark Fainaru-Wada reported Jones had received banned drugs from BALCO, citing documentary evidence and testimony from Jones's ex-husband disgraced Olympian C.J. Hunter, who claims to have seen her inject herself with the steroids.[3]

According to Hunter, Jones' use of banned drugs began well before Sydney.[4] Initially, he told the investigators, Jones obtained EPO from Graham, who he said had a Mexican connection for the drug. Later, Hunter said, Graham met Conte, who began providing the coach with BALCO drugs that he distributed to Jones and other Sprint Capitol athletes. Still later, Hunter told federal investigators, Jones began receiving drugs directly from Conte.

Apparently, Jones stopped receiving services from BALCO when her trainer became upset with Conte.[citation needed] Jones has never failed a drug test using the then-existing testing procedures - and insufficient evidence was found to bring charges regarding other untested performance enhancing drugs.
[edit]

June, 2006 EPO tests

At the USA Track and Field Championships in Indianapolis on June 23, 2006, an "A" sample of Marion Jones' urine tested positive for Erythropoietin (EPO), a banned performance-enhancer. This was reported by The Washington Post citing people with knowledge of the results who were not identified. Jones withdrew from the Weltklasse Golden League meet in Switzerland, citing "personal reasons." Jones denied using performance-enhancing drugs. She retained lawyer Howard Jacobs, who has represented many athletes in doping cases, including Tim Montgomery and cyclist Floyd Landis. On September 6, 2006 Jones' lawyers announced that her "B" sample had tested negative, which cleared her from the doping allegations.[5]

RVD
Sep 9th, 2006, 09:07 AM
Conte said she was doped. CJ Hunter said she was doped.
BALCO for God's sake :tape:
We don't even need a positive test, Mongomery was banned too without a positive test :DHeck...why require testing at all if all we need is the word of a few people for confirmation? :shrug:
An even better idea would be to have the witnesses piss in a cup and test them. :lol:
Now that would be interesting, and possibly disturbing. :devil:

darrinbaker00
Sep 10th, 2006, 02:48 AM
OMG. You were wrong? :eek:
I thought the end of the world was suppose to happen or something.
There you go thinkin' again.....

jrm
Sep 10th, 2006, 09:51 AM
I wouldn't be suprised if she and her management came up with this little scenario: make up the positive A sample test (isn't it strange she tested positive in USA), then have her clean on B test (do you know anyone who tested negative on B test :shrug: ) and make her look like she never took anything!

BUBI
Sep 10th, 2006, 10:10 AM
(do you know anyone who tested negative on B test :shrug: )
Bernard Lagat and Kristina Smigun (but she was innocent :angel: )