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So Disrespectful
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:21 AM
Just curious to see what the average person thinks on this matter. I will elaborate on my opinion later.

adamaglaia
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:24 AM
God makes me gay. And I think it is something about the brain, lol

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:24 AM
male hornyness towards other men, and female hornyness towards other women :lol:

^bibi^
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:36 AM
none of the above :shrug:

-Ph51-
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:37 AM
I noticed that sometimes a dominant mother was one of the reasons. But i could be wrong. Still, many gay friends i have are in that situation.

SilK
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:38 AM
I voted 'A combination of options 1 & 2'

I think it's genetic yes... but why some gay guys act like girls, is definitely not genetic (nor attractive). :retard:

So Disrespectful
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:38 AM
none of the above :shrug:

Do share ;)

SilK
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:39 AM
I noticed that sometimes a dominant mother was one of the reasons. But i could be wrong. Still, many gay friends i have are in that situation.

ALMOST every gay guy I know has 'Mother' issues... so I think that could be very possible. Yes.

So Disrespectful
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:40 AM
but why some gay guys act like girls, is definitely not genetic (nor attractive).

Goodness, tell me about it. This is what creates a disgusting stereotype for us gays to deal with.

Dexter
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:43 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.

SilK
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:43 AM
Goodness, tell me about it. This is what creates a disgusting stereotype for us gays to deal with.

Yup. That is EXACTLY the case. It sickens me really... :o

So Disrespectful
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:50 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.

Well, I'm gay and I know for a fact it was genetic in my case. I would like to know what other people think about it, because it would sadden me if people honestly believed sexual orientation was a choice.

Cage
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:04 AM
Both 1 and 2 :)

Lennval
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:16 AM
genetic and enviroment of course

^bibi^
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:25 AM
Well, I'm gay and I know for a fact it was genetic in my case. I would like to know what other people think about it, because it would sadden me if people honestly believed sexual orientation was a choice.
how an you "know it for a fact" ? when even scientist have not proven it to be true...

^bibi^
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:26 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.
I realy agree with Dex.. it's as if you asked someone WHY he doesn't like chicken r WHY he has blond hair, it's just not something you chose it's like that, and that's it...

bionic71
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:45 AM
"causes"...??
sounds ominous.

1. absolutely

2. only to the point where the environment is not conducive to revealing a persons true sexuality...many gay people hide their true sexuality because of fear of rejection, vilification or violence. An oppressive environment..be it cultural, religious or the immediate family environment, has much influence over the way a person revelas the fact tey are gay. The environment is not the cause of the homosexuality, but plays a major part in an individuals personal journey and how they deal with their situation.

Lets shatter a few myths already popping up....
I did not have a domineering mother or a distant father.
My brother is not gay....he was brought up in exactly te same environment as I was.

3. No. I certainly didn't wake up one morning and discover I was attracted to the same sex. I knew, (even pre puberty or before I knew anything about sex) that I found boys to be attractive.
Does a straight person have this sudden revelation they are attracted to the opposite sex??? No...it is just a natural progression as they begin their sexual awakening and enter puberty. Same for gay people....no difference....no conscious decision being made at all. The only decision you make is whether to live your life openly and honestly as a gay person....or to hide away.

ceiling_fan
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:58 AM
I realy agree with Dex.. it's as if you asked someone WHY he doesn't like chicken r WHY he has blond hair, it's just not something you chose it's like that, and that's it...

Wow the nature vs nurture talk. I just had this with a friend earlier today, what a coincidence!

Why does someone have blonde hair? Because of their genetics (or if they dyed it :p)

Why doesn't someone like chicken? Because they have probably had a bad experience with it, or they just choose not to like it because it doesn't suit their preference. I don't think it's genetical, unless you start having allergic reactions or what not.

A lot of people say a combination of both, but I don't agree. I haven't quite figured out which one it is for sure, but I don't think it likely to be a combination of both. If posters are referring to someone being born with the potential to be gay (as in genes), and society triggered it for that person, I agree. Maybe that's what people are referring to when they vote for "a combination of both". But i think it is predominantly one or the other. Just like religions, none can exist at the same time. It's just illogical because each disprove each other. This is an extreme analogy, but whatever.

A very good support for "Nurture" is shown in the study of feral children. In the 70's, a girl was confined her whole life until her parents horrible abuse was discovered at 13 years of age. She had been strapped to a potty chair her whole life, unable to move her arms and legs, and at night, she was tied to a sleeping bag. She was fed scraps and had to defecate in the room.

When she was discovered, her arms and legs were bent, and she could only see 12ft ahead of her, as her eyes weren't trained to look beyond the distance of the room she had been in her whole life.

Scientists tried all they could to teach her, and by the time she was older, could only speak a few hundred words, and couldn't string a proper sentence together.

Back to the point...

"Feral children cannot walk, talk, or socialise: they cannot show empathy with others.

Therefore, feral children suggest that our upbringing is entirely responsible for endowing us with language, the ability to think and other traits. What happens in early childhood thus has a profound impact on the neurological development of the brain."

This makes me believe that the reason for being gay is to do with how you are nurtured at the early childhood stage of your life.

Then again, identical-twin studies have found that autism can be triggered by nurturing — but only when nature has dealt out a particular combination of genes.

"Therefore ultimately, we are a result of complex interactions between the environment and our genes."

The debate continues. I still do not know what i believe, but i'm leaning more towards nurture as you can see. I won't 100% trust anything until there is proof. Anyway, I think I got a few bad reps for what i said in the last "why are you gay thread" so don't bombard me just because i have an opinion.

Here's more information on the girl who was confined.

http://www.feralchildren.com/en/showchild.php?ch=genie

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:03 AM
ALMOST every gay guy I know has 'Mother' issues... so I think that could be very possible. Yes.

I don't :wavey:

Freakan
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:03 AM
If you're a wtaworld member, you can be sure that one day you'll become gay :p

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:06 AM
Intelligently beautiful women cause my homosexuality.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:12 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.

I had the wishing you weren't part as well. But you'll get over it. Acceptance will come ;)

Anyways, the use of the word gosh says it all :lol:

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:13 AM
I realy agree with Dex.. it's as if you asked someone WHY he doesn't like chicken r WHY he has blond hair, it's just not something you chose it's like that, and that's it...

If you were attacked by a flock of chicken when you were a kid, there is a good reason you don't like them :scared: :bolt:

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:14 AM
Anyways, a combination of one and two in my opinion, with the former being of greater importance than the second. I pretty much agree with what bionic said.

James
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:14 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.

I agree with this statement. I come from exactly that same situation. I do not have a dominant mother or anything. I just am what I am. There's no changing that.

<Sven>
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:22 AM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.
I know exactly what you mean. If it was really I choice, I would have chosen to be straight!
For as far as I know there's also nothing wrong with my parents and my relationship towards them, so I guess I will have to go with the genetic choice.
I've always heard your sexuality is determined in the womb. If a mother doens't pass on a certain kind of hormone (? not sure about that) to her child, that child will turn out to be gay. I don't know if that's correct though :confused: , it's just something I heard once.

mandy7
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:22 AM
If you were attacked by a flock of chicken when you were a kid, there is a good reason you don't like them :scared: :bolt:


hmm
So is being attacked by a flock of girls when you were a kid the reason you don't like them? :p

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:37 AM
hmm
So is being attacked by a flock of girls when you were a kid the reason you don't like them? :p

I like them :hearts:

I just don't like like them :scared:

That flock of chicken reminded me of a duck. Do they ducks still hate you? :sobbing:

adamaglaia
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:48 AM
there is nothing to do with others, we are gay because we are born gay. gayness is what i was born with! i can't change and don't want to.

So Disrespectful
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:23 PM
how an you "know it for a fact" ? when even scientist have not proven it to be true...

Because as others have said, two children with the same upbringing, one is gay, one is not. Can't be surrounds then.

I had feminine/gay tendencies as a toddler and I can think of several examples. Why did I choose to play with Barbie dolls when presented with toy cars also? I was presented with the opportunity to have either as a 3/4 year old and yet I chose the "gay" option.

mandy7
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:30 PM
I like them :hearts:

I just don't like like them :scared:

That flock of chicken reminded me of a duck. Do they ducks still hate you? :sobbing:

that duck flew onto my bumper! it was not my fault! :mad:
i have witnesses!!!!

adamaglaia
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:31 PM
Because as others have said, two children with the same upbringing, one is gay, one is not. Can't be surrounds then.

I had feminine/gay tendencies as a toddler and I can think of several examples. Why did I choose to play with Barbie dolls when presented with toy cars also? I was presented with the opportunity to have either as a 3/4 year old and yet I chose the "gay" option.
Yeah Babe, You are Right! I Love You!

tfannis
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:39 PM
Environment doesn't necessarily mean 'others', it could also mean the influence of your mother's hormones during pregnancy :shrug:

I voted 1 & 2, but I wouldn't call it an 'opinion', it's just a guess.

Grachka
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:57 PM
Sexual attraction is probably genetically determined, but - if you'll forgive the clumsy phrasing - the "kind" of gay you are lends much more to the manner in which you grew up. It's a complex issue, that you cannot just box up, depending on personality, relatioships etc.

Anyway, I'm bored with the question now I guess. :D

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:14 PM
that duck flew onto my bumper! it was not my fault! :mad:
i have witnesses!!!!

Do the ducks still hate you though? :scared:

Il Primo!
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:17 PM
Genetic factors. Some scientists prooved it. There was an article in the Time about this

controlfreak
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:23 PM
I heard it was something to do with eating peas as a baby before you have stopped breastfeeding.

James
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:36 PM
that duck flew onto my bumper! it was not my fault! :mad:
i have witnesses!!!!

I hate ducks too with a passion. Damn animals messed up my driving exam. :mad:

exodus'05
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:02 PM
how an you "know it for a fact" ? when even scientist have not proven it to be true...

I heard that scientists discovered the "gay gene," it was all over the news last year.

mandy7
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:09 PM
Do the ducks still hate you though? :scared:

sort off,
usually on tuesday or wednesday night they all gang up under my window and make a lot of noise so i can hardly sleep

I hate ducks too with a passion. Damn animals messed up my driving exam. :mad:
but i like them though :D

mandy7
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:10 PM
if i were gay, probably contact with females like mandy? If that is what a girl is, i dont want any.

dude, you're a-saxual
and I got nothing to do with that

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:36 PM
dude, you're a-saxual
and I got nothing to do with that

Are you done? I am done.

Do you think you are the only girl with a vagina in the world? Or did you just discover it or something?

James
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:42 PM
We seem to have a new comedy duo on here, Mandy and Sluggy. They are everywhere. :lol:

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:45 PM
We seem to have a new comedy duo on here, Mandy and Sluggy. They are everywhere. :lol:

It's enough already. I don't know any females who are that cruel. I'm wondering if mandy really is female - maybe some person with severe personality disorder. Probably sticking pins in animals or some wierd shit like that. :mad:

James
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:49 PM
It's enough already. I don't know any females who are that cruel. I'm wondering if mandy really is female - maybe some person with severe personality disorder. Probably sticking pins in animals or some wierd shit like that. :mad:

Well, you've been stirring things up quite a lot yourself too, so you brought most of it on yourself.

miffedmax
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:50 PM
My brother is gay. A lesbian friend of mine once described me as "the straightest guy she'd ever met." (She meant it in a nice way, I think). My sister is also straight.

Having grown up with a gay sibling, I'm firmly in the school of biology. I do think that environmental factors may influence how your sexual preferences manifest themselves, but that's true for straights as well.

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:58 PM
Well, you've been stirring things up quite a lot yourself too, so you brought most of it on yourself.

Naaah, i dont see it that way at all. I expressed confidence in myself. She doesnt like me. But her cruelty is unmatched. That's a bunch of bullshit. I brought nothing on myself, many many people dont like mandy. I played her game cause i try to help people when they want something from me. there are plenty of interesting, civil people on wtaworld. she is obviously not one of them

would you like to go a round or two?

égalité
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:02 PM
Almost everyone has mother issues, but when gay people have them, somehow it's a "cause" of their being gay :lol:

Environment definitely has an effect on how you act (how effeminate you are, etc) but when it comes simply to being attracted to the same sex, it's nature.

No Name Face
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:07 PM
mostly genotype, but your phenotype can influence it as well --- so i chose the last choice

sapir1434
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:12 PM
Gosh I just hate this kind of questions :( I personally think it is disrespectful. I did nothing to become gay. I was raised in a great family with both parents and I am still gay. I wish(ed) I wasn't but I am and I can't help it. Although I tried to change it, there's nothing to do about it and right now I try to live my life the way it is. It just makes me :mad: & :explode: if someone asks 'Whe are you gay'.
I agree 100%!!! It's so much easier to be just straight, but it's not really your choice

mykarma
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:17 PM
how an you "know it for a fact" ? when even scientist have not proven it to be true...
The law of gravity existed before scientist proved it existed.

mykarma
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:29 PM
[QUOTE]Almost everyone has mother issues
I know, poor mothers get blamed for everything.

"Sluggy"
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:36 PM
[QUOTE=Darklingv20]
I know, poor mothers get blamed for everything.

So do fathers. Parents are frequently judged way too hard.

As if mothers have an "alterior motive" for having kids? :lol: naah, they all raise kids cause they love them. and then we take them for grated, tisk tisk.

SilK
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:56 PM
I don't :wavey:

well... good for you. :hehehe:

arn
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM
I know exactly what you mean. If it was really I choice, I would have chosen to be straight!
For as far as I know there's also nothing wrong with my parents and my relationship towards them, so I guess I will have to go with the genetic choice.
I've always heard your sexuality is determined in the womb. If a mother doens't pass on a certain kind of hormone (? not sure about that) to her child, that child will turn out to be gay. I don't know if that's correct though :confused: , it's just something I heard once.

That was what I was about to answer! Only the first sentence differs for me; I don't care if I would have been straight, gay or bi. I never had problems with who I am :)

btw; I get along great with my mum ;)

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:07 PM
if i were gay, probably contact with females like mandy? If that is what a girl is, i dont want any.

:rolleyes:

Stop being a retard and face your midlife crisis :)

arn
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:14 PM
I had feminine/gay tendencies as a toddler and I can think of several examples. Why did I choose to play with Barbie dolls when presented with toy cars also? I was presented with the opportunity to have either as a 3/4 year old and yet I chose the "gay" option.

For one reason or another I'm glad I played with those little cars, constructed towns with lego, played in the mud,... while I was a kid, still I'm gay :)

CooCooCachoo
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:17 PM
For one reason or another I'm glad I played with those little cars, constructed towns with lego, played in the mud,... while I was a kid, still I'm gay :lick:

Me too :) I had my little T-Rex too :lol:

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:57 PM
Just curious to see what the average person thinks on this matter. I will elaborate on my opinion later.
When someone asks me, I usually reply "What causes heterosexuality?"

mandy7
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:25 PM
trust me, there are girls that are a lot worse than mandy,
she's actually one of the nicest girls I know!

it's girls like mandy that caused me to be gay
and i'm a girl! :D

awww :hug:

SelesFan70
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:31 PM
ALL of the above... :)

roarke
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:33 PM
I believe it is a combination of the three.

Some are born gay (Gene misfired).
Some achieve gayness ( Personal choice). Everybody is coming out! Years and years have gone by without this level of prolification.
Some have gayness thrust upon them (environment and abuse)

PattyPatty
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:49 PM
Not watching enough daytime television.

Just Do It
Aug 17th, 2006, 08:19 PM
its genetic...its the same if your parents cant have children...you will have the same problem :haha: :lol:

Milito22
Aug 17th, 2006, 08:31 PM
I DON'T KNOW,.... BUT I FEEL SO HAPPY! :banana:

Martian Willow
Aug 17th, 2006, 08:37 PM
Intelligently beautiful women cause my homosexuality.

I was going to say the same (but with different words). :D

My thoughts on this are:

1) There is not one single cause which applies in all cases and,
2) I think the need some people seem to have to adhere dogmatically to the idea that we 'can't help it' in the hope of deflecting a few bigots is silly and dangerous.

:)

Brashkoala
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:15 PM
homosexuality is something you are born with and you do not choose. why in the world would someone choose to be homosexual in they know the hardships it might cause in their lives. i also think it has nothing to do with environment because people from all different aspects and upbringings are gay and also gay couples who adopt would be more likely to raise gay kids but thats not the case at all. they have the same chance as anyone else to raise gay children.

Scotso
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:17 PM
Combination of 1 and 2.

Wannabeknowitall
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:36 AM
I have to go with none of the above.
I don't believe there is a genetic marker that can be turned on or off thus causing a person to be gay or not gay.
I do believe a person is gay from birth but I don't think it's a genetic factor.
I also don't think it has anything to do with a certain environment either.
I recall a study done on the gay lisp. People with no outlet to the gay community in far reaching places still had the lisp.
Some of these people had what would seem the perfect childhood, loving family unit, a competitive "manly" interest into sports, friends, etc., and were still gay.
I don't see the environment as a factor in homosexuality. There could be a link between the gay lisp and genetics though.

James
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:44 AM
Naaah, i dont see it that way at all. I expressed confidence in myself. She doesnt like me. But her cruelty is unmatched. That's a bunch of bullshit. I brought nothing on myself, many many people dont like mandy. I played her game cause i try to help people when they want something from me. there are plenty of interesting, civil people on wtaworld. she is obviously not one of them

would you like to go a round or two?

You say you played her game, so you did bring it on yourself. If you had really hated her, you would have ignored her and gone on your way.

switz
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:19 AM
I had feminine/gay tendencies as a toddler and I can think of several examples. Why did I choose to play with Barbie dolls when presented with toy cars also? I was presented with the opportunity to have either as a 3/4 year old and yet I chose the "gay" option.

that's a pretty dumb statement which only extends stereotypes. i played with a barbie doll when i was kid and i'm not gay - i just liked her breasts. It is actually much less gay IMO than wanting to play with a muscley GI Joe Doll.

James
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:33 AM
that's a pretty dumb statement which only extends stereotypes. i played with a barbie doll when i was kid and i'm not gay - i just liked her breasts. It is actually much less gay IMO than wanting to play with a muscley GI Joe Doll.

I always played with my Lego and Playmobil, nothing gay about that either. I never quite liked my sister Barbie dolls. I prefered my Playmobil farm and the racing track with the cars. Yet I am gay.

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:37 AM
:rolleyes:

Stop being a retard and face your midlife crisis :)

coming from the biggest tennis groupie i have ever almost met (you were too shy to say hi), and possibly imagined, i'll take it with a grain of salt. 35 is not mid-life anyway, i got 5 more years.

mandy7
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:39 AM
I always played with my Lego and Playmobil, nothing gay about that either. I never quite liked my sister Barbie dolls. I prefered my Playmobil farm and the racing track with the cars. Yet I am gay.

Lego :rocker2:
when you become an uncle you can play with it again :D
that's what i do now that i'man aunt :lol:

BUBI
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:42 AM
I don't understand people who think it's "Conscious decision to be attracted to the same sex" because I never decided to be straight either.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:48 AM
coming from the biggest tennis groupie i have ever almost met (you were too shy to say hi), and possibly imagined, i'll take it with a grain of salt. 35 is not mid-life anyway, i got 5 more years.

Did it ever come to your mind that I might not have wanted to say hi? :)

And I am not a groupie. Thanks.

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:04 AM
Did it ever come to your mind that I might not have wanted to say hi? :)

Sure. I just find it strange that you asked if you could stay at my brother's, wanted to hang out, you saw me and know what i look like, but then you dont say hi. It's rather un-neighourlike

And I am not a groupie. Thanks.

pretty damn close.

mandy7
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:08 AM
Did it ever come to your mind that I might not have wanted to say hi? :)

ik snap het wel iig

wie is zijn broer dan?
of tript ie hem weer en verzint ie dingen?

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:12 AM
Sure. I just find it strange that you asked if you could stay at my brother's, wanted to hang out, you saw me and know what i look like, but then you dont say hi. It's rather un-neighourlike

I was desperate at first :lol: You know, being a poor student. But I quickly came to my senses :)



pretty damn close.

You haven't seen me, so you can hardly judge :)

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:12 AM
ik snap het wel iig

wie is zijn broer dan?
of tript ie hem weer en verzint ie dingen?

I know a little dutch. He works at the store down the street :lol:
If broer doesnt mean brother, I'll be a monkey's uncle. :lol:

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:13 AM
ik snap het wel iig

wie is zijn broer dan?
of tript ie hem weer en verzint ie dingen?

Weet ook niet wie die broer is. Hij verzint niets, maar er zitten wel een paar steekjes los bij hem :cuckoo:

mandy7
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:13 AM
I know a little dutch. He works at the store down the street :lol:
If broer doesnt mean brother, I'll be a monkey's uncle. :lol:

you're not allowed to talk to me
be quiet or i'll report it :)

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:16 AM
someone can talk about someone but the other person cant say anything about it?

mandy7
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:18 AM
@ coocoo
i was just asking you a question about his brother right?
not talking about him?

now leave me alone dude,
final warning

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:18 AM
I was desperate at first :lol: You know, being a poor student. But I quickly came to my senses :)

What the heck did i do to ruffle your feathers?


You haven't seen me, so you can hardly judge :)

I am not judging you. But i know you have the largest autograph collection that ever existed, and you are proud cause you "know" every player, ranked, not ranked, etc. That's kind of a groupie to me. Just my opinion though.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:18 AM
someone can talk about someone but the other person cant say anything about it?

Yes. No one said life was fair. You should realize that, being in your midlife crisis and all.

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:19 AM
I was desperate at first :lol: You know, being a poor student. But I quickly came to my senses :)

What did i do to ruffle your feathers?



You haven't seen me, so you can hardly judge :)

You have the largest autograph encyclopedia that I've ever come across. seems pretty groupyish. I left you a cute little bad-rep, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. :kiss:

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:21 AM
Yes. No one said life was fair. You should realize that, being in your midlife crisis and all.

That's fine with me. When I had an alergic reaction to poison ivy, i didnt exactly go back into the woods to pick rasberrys. The reaction is undesirable. nobody wants poison ivy. ;)

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:21 AM
@ coocoo
i was just asking you a question about his brother right?
not talking about him?

now leave me alone dude,
final warning

True that.

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:23 AM
True that.

do you hear anything? i dont hear anything.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:27 AM
What did i do to ruffle your feathers?


Probably just being yourself. Tough cookie.



You have the largest autograph encyclopedia that I've ever come across. seems pretty groupyish. I left you a cute little bad-rep, I'm sure you'll enjoy it. :kiss:

Not only do I no longer collect autographs, but I also never pretended to know all players :shrug: Yes, I noticed you edited your post, probably realizing how ignorant you were for posting it in the first place, but it was worth a reply anyway. I know about three or four players and, when it comes to that, not in-depth. But they know who I am and I know who they are, and we talk. Just about four players. There goes your allegation.

I don't mind bad-reps :) It's a nice switch from the green.

mandy7
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:32 AM
True that.

thanks mate :D
gelukkig kan ik nog op de NL-ers rekenen hier :p

Grohl
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:34 AM
thanks mate :D
gelukkig kan ik nog op de NL-ers rekenen hier :p
en sommige belgen :p

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:37 AM
Probably just being yourself. Tough cookie.

not really. What did I do to you?


Not only do I no longer collect autographs, but I also never pretended to know all players :shrug: Yes, I noticed you edited your post, probably realizing how ignorant you were for posting it in the first place, but it was worth a reply anyway.

I didnt edit any post. I did lose a post i tried to post. What was ignorant?

I know about three or four players and, when it comes to that, not in-depth. But they know who I am and I know who they are, and we talk. Just about four players. There goes your allegation.
I don't mind bad-reps :) It's a nice switch from the green.

Oh i was just teasing.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 18th, 2006, 08:51 AM
not really. What did I do to you?




I didnt edit any post. I did lose a post i tried to post. What was ignorant?



Oh i was just teasing.

I could answer, but I will get the same questions. And again. And again. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

Just buy a fast motorbike and dance to hip music. Good luck with your midlife crisis :)

^bibi^
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:04 AM
what's going on again here ?

"Sluggy"
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:04 AM
I could answer, but I will get the same questions. And again. And again. Yadda, Yadda, Yadda.

Just buy a fast motorbike and dance to hip music. Good luck with your midlife crisis :)


That's ok, you can tell me. Do you think i was unecessarily mean to someone? Have i disrupted the group? You? maybe would have been better to leave when i got the message a month ago? You can even write me a pm.

I'm only joking about mid-life. it isnt bad at all. heck, you'll be there soon enough. :lol:

Jakeev
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:49 AM
All I know is that from the time I started school, I had "crushes" on boys
and never with girls. And that is how it started. It was as natural I guess as boys in my early class days that had "crushes" on girls.

So was I born this way? Guess I have to say yes.

So Disrespectful
Aug 18th, 2006, 10:53 AM
When someone asks me, I usually reply "What causes heterosexuality?"

Well that question has the same answer. Whatever that could be.

But I somehow think people are more interested in my question.

GrandSlam05
Aug 18th, 2006, 12:09 PM
I think a number of factors, genes, development in the womb, and possibility some of your environment (though not much if at all).
I would say no one just "chooses to be gay". If that were true then homosexuality would've never started.

pengluv
Aug 18th, 2006, 01:17 PM
ok umm probably love causes it? and uhh i think gay guys cant choose but girls can to be bi or lesbian

fufuqifuqishahah
Aug 18th, 2006, 01:31 PM
I noticed that sometimes a dominant mother was one of the reasons. But i could be wrong. Still, many gay friends i have are in that situation.

not 4 me

LoveFifteen
Aug 18th, 2006, 01:59 PM
Combo of 1 & 2.

Nature and nurture, baby! :lol:

DunkMachine
Aug 18th, 2006, 03:17 PM
Hmm I don't see the option for "Brain damage".

DunkMachine
Aug 18th, 2006, 03:19 PM
Hmm I don't see the option for "Brain damage".

ps. I just fucking with ya.

It's only braindamage when you're a male homosexual.

akosiirwyn
Aug 18th, 2006, 05:15 PM
It could be the surrounding environment, I mean I remember when I was in kindergarten, I always hung out with girls, I kept continuing that trend and still do. I probably just heard what they said about boys and agreed with them and then I was just like.. whoa. maybe I'm gay. and then yeah. i dunno. :shrug:

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 05:46 PM
but why some gay guys act like girls, is definitely not genetic (nor attractive). :retard:

Amen to that :worship:

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Because as others have said, two children with the same upbringing, one is gay, one is not. Can't be surrounds then.

I had feminine/gay tendencies as a toddler and I can think of several examples. Why did I choose to play with Barbie dolls when presented with toy cars also? I was presented with the opportunity to have either as a 3/4 year old and yet I chose the "gay" option.

OMG I used to play barbies with my sis when I was 5 too. :tape:

I learned about sex quite early cuz I had 2 older sisters, so I'd always make the barbies hump. :o

Yet I still never had/don't have female tendencies at all.

And even though I played with brabies, I still loved toy trucks :drool:

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Probably just being yourself. Tough cookie.




Not only do I no longer collect autographs, but I also never pretended to know all players :shrug: Yes, I noticed you edited your post, probably realizing how ignorant you were for posting it in the first place, but it was worth a reply anyway. I know about three or four players and, when it comes to that, not in-depth. But they know who I am and I know who they are, and we talk. Just about four players. There goes your allegation.

I don't mind bad-reps :) It's a nice switch from the green.

MEC :drool:

Have you seen her lately?

~{X}~
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:02 PM
MEC :drool:

Have you seen her lately?


You = Whore. :p

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:12 PM
You = Whore. :p

Why, thank you :D

~{X}~
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:13 PM
Why thank you :D


Anytime love. :kiss:

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:14 PM
Anytime love. :kiss:

Sure thing you Jack-from-will-&-grace-act-alike flaming gay femalish effeminate gaylord :D

fufuqifuqishahah
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:18 PM
OMG I used to play barbies with my sis when I was 5 too. :tape:

I learned about sex quite early cuz I had 2 older sisters, so I'd always make the barbies hump. :o

Yet I still never had/don't have female tendencies at all.

And even though I played with brabies, I still loved toy trucks :drool:

i liked barbies but i loved toy cars and animal action figures and a lot of those man things even more. maybe every guy would also like barbies... its just so tabooo that they dont like barbies lol.

~{X}~
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:19 PM
Sure thing you Jack-from-will-&-grace-act-alike flaming gay femalish effeminate gaylord :D


1. I'm not a flamer.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

2. I'm not femalish.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

3. I'm not effeminate.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

4. Yes I'm gay and I'm a gaylord, whatever. So are you. Don't even try to hide your bus rides to other towns to meet men to screw. :lol:

andrew_uk
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:40 PM
Why are there never threads on 'What causes hetrosexuality'? :wavey:

Andy T
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:46 PM
What causes heterosexuality?

Genetic factors
Surrounding environment
Conscious decision to be attracted to the opposite sex
A combination of options 1 & 2

Come on straight people, tell us what made you that way!

RND
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:46 PM
I voted 'A combination of options 1 & 2'

I think it's genetic yes... but why some gay guys act like girls, is definitely not genetic (nor attractive). :retard:

absolutely agree.

Kart
Aug 18th, 2006, 06:53 PM
There was a thread about this ages ago - some posters around then are quite well informed on scientific studies that have tried to explain the cause of homosexuality - I think G-Ha was one of them. I only know of some rat studies that showed male rat fetuses exposed to more oestrogen in utero showed less mounting behaviour than those that weren't - or something along those lines.

To me it obviously has a multi-factorial aetiology but I've always wondered what those who are so keen to explain it on genetics alone would do with the information if they managed to find it.

Darop.
Aug 18th, 2006, 07:32 PM
1. I'm not a flamer.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

2. I'm not femalish.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

3. I'm not effeminate.(Nothing wrong with those who are.)

4. Yes I'm gay and I'm a gaylord, whatever. So are you. Don't even try to hide your bus rides to other towns to meet men to screw. :lol:

And least I don't screw 52 year old married men who have 2 children.

Also, FYI, I lived in Florence for 6 months, I'm not desperate enough to take bus rides (yet).

Ugh, I hate small homophobic towns :crying2:

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:13 PM
I think that there could actually be a good debate between our constant social interaction (or social conditioning) and genetics. The way I understand it, attraction tends to be based on interaction whether it be person-to-person contact, a scent (pheromone), seeing something on television, hearing a sound, etc. I realized my sexuality without having sex, but the other forms of interaction like my basic senses.

The arguments I have heard about the "gay gene" theoretically would allow that an individual could be deserted on an island from birth, and, if they survived to see adulthood, realize they are attracted to the same sex. While I think it is possible to be attracted to an idea that is not seen in reality (i.e. being wealthy, God, Heaven, etc.), I don't think it's the same thing to suggest that about sexuality.

I'm gay and I do not believe homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc. are choices. However, I do believe that - regardless of a person's sexual orientation - sexual behavior is a choice, with the exception of rape/molestation victims. My perception has been that the gay community has used the genetic argument in order to help legitimize homosexuality. While it might have helped to legitimize homosexuality, the same cannot be said for gay sex. The popular "it's ok to be gay, but not ok to have sex" mentality is a shame IMO. If it is legitimate for straight adults to have sex in the privacy of their own homes (without concern to whether the purpose is for procreation), then any two consenting adults should be afforded that same respect regardless of their sex.

One thing I am wary about is trying to categorize homosexuals as anything but having same-sex sexual orientation. It's like trying to categorize heterosexuals as one sort of thing. There will be stereotypes, but it only boils down to sexual orientation. I think that mannerisms, looks, interests tend to be attributed to something totally different. So easy to confuse if people are focused on stereotypes.

~{X}~
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:19 PM
And least I don't screw 52 year old married men who have 2 children.

Also, FYI, I lived in Florence for 6 months, I'm not desperate enough to take bus rides (yet).

Ugh, I hate small homophobic towns :crying2:


He was 42 thank you. ;)

And aww :kiss: don't cry little one.

Barrie_Dude
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:35 AM
There are days that I swear that the chief cause of homosexuality amongst men is women!

ToeTag
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:38 AM
There are days that I swear that the chief cause of homosexuality amongst men is women!
Women have been known to "swear" the same thing about men. :lol:

Barrie_Dude
Aug 19th, 2006, 01:46 AM
Women have been known to "swear" the same thing about men. :lol:Goes to show you what little they know!:tape: :lol: ;)

Stark
Aug 19th, 2006, 02:45 AM
its genetic...its the same if your parents cant have children...you will have the same problem :haha: :lol:
huh?? wtf is so funny? :confused:

BigB08822
Aug 19th, 2006, 04:14 AM
I havent read this whole thread but whomever answered that it was a conscious decision has a lot of nerve. I mean, is it a conscious decision for them to be straight? Does this mean that they could, if they so wanted, change to gay just because they wanted to? I bet most of them would answer no and say that is gross so why would other people want to do that? I would never chose to be gay and have to deal with the stereotypes, harassment and stress that comes along with it, especially when it comes to my family.

DutchieGirl
Aug 19th, 2006, 05:56 AM
ok umm probably love causes it? and uhh i think gay guys cant choose but girls can to be bi or lesbian

wtf? Why would a girl CHOOSE to be bi or lesbian? They might CHOOSE to have a one off experience with another girl... that doesn't make them bi though!

DutchieGirl
Aug 19th, 2006, 05:58 AM
What causes heterosexuality?

Genetic factors
Surrounding environment
Conscious decision to be attracted to the opposite sex
A combination of options 1 & 2

Come on straight people, tell us what made you that way!

Exactly - if someone asks me "what made you homosexual" I'll always ask straight away " What made you heterosexual?" They usually can't answer... ;)

bionic71
Aug 19th, 2006, 08:55 AM
For those complaining about "effeminate" gay men, especially if you're gay yourselves, I suggest you stop and think about how sexism and homophobia are related. It's not like I'm all that attracted to guys who worry more about hair products and pressed-powder foundations than they do about most of the other things in their life, but gay men aren't obligated to act like some hairy combination of fart/burp/scratch just to prove to the world that they aren't prancing, dick-less deviants. It's society's attitudes that need to change.

Guys - gay or straight - should be able act as "effeminate" or as "masculine" as they want to without other people being asses about it (and I'm not EVEN going to get into the arbitrary nature of those categories or the concept of gender as a social construct and the like... :tape: :o). Especially if those other people are gay guys who should know better than to look down on others for what their mannerisms are or the way they dress.

People who've studied the matter have also pointed out that the more repressive a society is with regards to homosexuality, the more likely openly gay men are going to be effeminate. It sounds counterintuitive on the surface - after all, you'd think in an intolerant, repressive society gay men would want to blend in rather than stand out. But in the more repressive/intolerant societies, gay men are less likely to see other gay role models, and the only other people they see in their society who are also attracted to men are straight women. So whom else would many gay men emulate?

Times are changing, for sure, but why is it all that surprising that in societies that tend to be homophobic a lot of gay men "act like women" (whatever that means)? Compare this to the accepted CULTURE of love/sex/affection between men in both ancient Greece and in shogunate-era Japan, where the erastes/eromenos bond between an older man and a younger man was considered by urban societies in both countries to be a pinnacle, if not THE pinnacle, of masculinity.

Nice to read a common sense post. x

bionic71
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:15 AM
I think that there could actually be a good debate between our constant social interaction (or social conditioning) and genetics. The way I understand it, attraction tends to be based on interaction whether it be person-to-person contact, a scent (pheromone), seeing something on television, hearing a sound, etc. I realized my sexuality without having sex, but the other forms of interaction like my basic senses.

The arguments I have heard about the "gay gene" theoretically would allow that an individual could be deserted on an island from birth, and, if they survived to see adulthood, realize they are attracted to the same sex. While I think it is possible to be attracted to an idea that is not seen in reality (i.e. being wealthy, God, Heaven, etc.), I don't think it's the same thing to suggest that about sexuality.

I'm gay and I do not believe homosexuality, heterosexuality, etc. are choices. However, I do believe that - regardless of a person's sexual orientation - sexual behavior is a choice, with the exception of rape/molestation victims. My perception has been that the gay community has used the genetic argument in order to help legitimize homosexuality. While it might have helped to legitimize homosexuality, the same cannot be said for gay sex. The popular "it's ok to be gay, but not ok to have sex" mentality is a shame IMO. If it is legitimate for straight adults to have sex in the privacy of their own homes (without concern to whether the purpose is for procreation), then any two consenting adults should be afforded that same respect regardless of their sex.

One thing I am wary about is trying to categorize homosexuals as anything but having same-sex sexual orientation. It's like trying to categorize heterosexuals as one sort of thing. There will be stereotypes, but it only boils down to sexual orientation. I think that mannerisms, looks, interests tend to be attributed to something totally different. So easy to confuse if people are focused on stereotypes.

Another common sense post.

You touch on the great difference between being homosexual and simply having gay sex. Many people have sex with another person of the same gender but this does not make them homosexual...
Despite being a gay man I could have sex with a woman...all of my "bits" are in perfect working order...this doesn't mean I am suddenly straight.

Being homosexual, I desire much more than sexual relationship with another man...I crave love, affection, security....all of the very same things that non gay people desire in their unions.

...Being gay is surely an intrinsic component of my being...however...I do not consider it to be the most important aspect of my existence. Usually it is other people, mostly non gay, who continually isolate and highlight the perceived differences between gay and non gay people...when in fact gays and non gays actually have far more in common than uncommon...funny that...considering we are all human.

Most mornings I drag (pardon the pun) myself out of bed, grab a coffee, dive into the shower, kiss the husband goodbye and make a trip to work...I am sure that is a familar scenario for most.

Thankfully times are indeed changing...frustratingly slow in some countries..faster in others....
Most people realize that gay people are not so different, not to be feared, not to be ridiculed and should not deserve second rate treatment based on archaeic notions of sexual identity. Thankfully many non gay people are joining the chorus in defense of their gay family members, friends and collegues....

mandy7
Aug 19th, 2006, 11:46 AM
Exactly - if someone asks me "what made you homosexual" I'll always ask straight away " What made you heterosexual?" They usually can't answer... ;)

either can't answer, or if a girl, she might say: brad pitt :p

DutchieGirl
Aug 19th, 2006, 09:39 PM
either can't answer, or if a girl, she might say: brad pitt :p

hmm I didn't hear the Brad Pitt one before. ;)

vutt
Aug 20th, 2006, 11:28 AM
Genetic factor me thinks should be in place as a base, but the way gay communities are more and more vocal thiese days surrounding envioronments are playing a lot bigger role. It's cool to be gay and speak about it whenever possible. Even on tennis boards ;)

btw. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying what I'm seeing.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 20th, 2006, 12:21 PM
Genetic factor me thinks should be in place as a base, but the way gay communities are more and more vocal thiese days surrounding envioronments are playing a lot bigger role. It's cool to be gay and speak about it whenever possible. Even on tennis boards ;)

btw. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying what I'm seeing.

I would say that what you are saying, is that environment plays a big part in facilitating people to be openly homosexual. That doesn't mean that, in a less approving environment, they would be any less homosexual.

ezekiel
Aug 20th, 2006, 01:30 PM
I haven't read this thread but in my opinion homosexuality is borne out of environment and there are many factors involved there and researched by people with more time and knowledge than myself. I have always maintained though that it's a nature's way of preventing overpopulation

<Sven>
Aug 20th, 2006, 01:45 PM
I have always maintained though that it's a nature's way of preventing overpopulation
I like that view! If you're right, then we can probably expect an increase in the number of gay people, since overpopulation is coming closer and closer ;)
:drool:

Geisha
Aug 20th, 2006, 11:15 PM
absolutely agree.
I don't agree with that. I mean, some people "act" certain ways because they were born certain ways. Everybody is different. It is the same thing has having two straight people who act differently. Some people speak more refined than others, others have more butch actions, etc.

ezekiel
Aug 21st, 2006, 03:15 AM
I don't agree with that. I mean, some people "act" certain ways because they were born certain ways. Everybody is different. It is the same thing has having two straight people who act differently. Some people speak more refined than others, others have more butch actions, etc.

People are born with certain hair and eye colors that don't change or change a little. All the behaviour is learned by environment and experiences of one's self . People might get born with some tendencies of their parents but all the behaviour is learned and influenced by environment

Volcana
Aug 21st, 2006, 03:33 AM
Homosexuality is caused by the fact that sometimes, people who happen to be the same sex as you are seriously fucking hot.

DutchieGirl
Aug 21st, 2006, 04:48 AM
Genetic factor me thinks should be in place as a base, but the way gay communities are more and more vocal thiese days surrounding envioronments are playing a lot bigger role. It's cool to be gay and speak about it whenever possible. Even on tennis boards ;)

btw. I'm not saying it's good or bad. I'm just saying what I'm seeing.

:scratch: It's cool to be gay? Not in my country it isn't!

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 21st, 2006, 04:50 AM
I don't agree with that. I mean, some people "act" certain ways because they were born certain ways. Everybody is different. It is the same thing has having two straight people who act differently. Some people speak more refined than others, others have more butch actions, etc.
Refined speaking is an aquired behavior, and I believe that mannerisms usually are, too.

bionic71
Aug 21st, 2006, 06:03 AM
People are born with certain hair and eye colors that don't change or change a little. All the behaviour is learned by environment and experiences of one's self . People might get born with some tendencies of their parents but all the behaviour is learned and influenced by environment


all human behaviour is not learned....much is innate and instinctual.

If all gay people somehow learnt their sexuality from their parents....wouldn't they not be gay?? I cannot fathom the environment causes homosexuality logic at all.

Did you learn your sexuality from your parents or an external source....
Or has it merely always been a part of your inner self???

No one taught me to ge gay...my parents certainly didn't as they are rampantly heterosexual.
My brother is also heterosexual...a product of my rampantly heterosexual parents.

I agree that environment does have an influence over a person revealing their sexuality...but it does not mould their sexuality in the first place....it merely obstructs them from exposing their true inner self.

If a homosexual is living in an environment (whether it is a cultural, societal or immediate family environment) that condemns gay people then they are very likely to conceal their sexual identity out of fear....

....Thankfully I was not the product of an oppressive environment and as result I was able to accept and reveal my sexuality without fear or condemnation from my immediate family environment

My environment influenced my choice to come out early and to live my life as a gay man without fear. Unfortunately for many gay people this is simply not the case...with their environment continually hindering their efforts to live their lives openly and honestly.






.

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 21st, 2006, 07:21 AM
If all gay people somehow learnt their sexuality from their parents....wouldn't they not be gay?? I cannot fathom the environment causes homosexuality logic at all.

Did you learn your sexuality from your parents or an external source....
Or has it merely always been a part of your inner self???
If all gay people realized their sexuality after their parents, then there would be many different experiences to consider. Some parents are single, some are gay, some straight, some living a double life, some don't spend time with their kids. Sometimes the television or a local group of friends serve as parents.

I don't think any one thing causes sexual orientation. I believe it is a development of human sexuality. We're obviously sexual beings, but as far as who we will be attracted to - that is something that requires interaction with others for us to realize. Without that interaction, we would be sexual beings without sexual orientation.

CooCooCachoo
Aug 21st, 2006, 07:32 AM
I haven't read this thread but in my opinion homosexuality is borne out of environment and there are many factors involved there and researched by people with more time and knowledge than myself. I have always maintained though that it's a nature's way of preventing overpopulation

Actually, I have always thought it's a great way to battle overpopulation as well ;)

DutchieGirl
Aug 21st, 2006, 07:33 AM
I don't think any one thing causes sexual orientation. I believe it is a development of human sexuality. We're obviously sexual beings, but as far as who we will be attracted to - that is something that requires interaction with others for us to realize. Without that interaction, we would be sexual beings without sexual orientation.
That goes for straight people too then...

bionic71
Aug 21st, 2006, 08:28 AM
If all gay people realized their sexuality after their parents, then there would be many different experiences to consider. Some parents are single, some are gay, some straight, some living a double life, some don't spend time with their kids. Sometimes the television or a local group of friends serve as parents.

I don't think any one thing causes sexual orientation. I believe it is a development of human sexuality. We're obviously sexual beings, but as far as who we will be attracted to - that is something that requires interaction with others for us to realize. Without that interaction, we would be sexual beings without sexual orientation.

Absolutely....my point exactly.
Sexuality is individually unique...

Bacardi
Aug 21st, 2006, 09:09 PM
Genetic factors, because I can tell you one thing no person was brought up more to be against being homosexual than I was. And yet I'm attracted to women and feel safer being with them than men. It's genetic, I have a cousin that is on my mom's side of the family and an aunt that is on my fathers side of the family. And I'm quite sure it could be traced back further than those 2.

Geisha
Aug 21st, 2006, 11:15 PM
People are born with certain hair and eye colors that don't change or change a little. All the behaviour is learned by environment and experiences of one's self . People might get born with some tendencies of their parents but all the behaviour is learned and influenced by environment

I still don't agree. I mean, there are many gay males who wish they didn't speak in a feminine way, but it is who they are and they can't change it.

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:23 AM
I still don't agree. I mean, there are many gay males who wish they didn't speak in a feminine way, but it is who they are and they can't change it.
Anyone can change anything they want if they set their mind to it. Hell, people have been brainwashed for and about all sorts of things. But why should anyone ever have to submit themself to brainwash or changing their minds for the selfish satisfaction of others? They shouldn't. People are who they are and society should respect them for that.

Manerisms and sexuality are two different components that contribute to a person's identity. They are not packaged as one and it would be nice to see them recognized as such.

vesanto
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:08 AM
I think that makes you gay it is basically genetic factors and of course the environment. In my case, I remember being attracted to boys when I was about 5 years old, I even kissed one of my schoolmates with that age...after that I kind forgot what was that and didnīt really think much about that obviously. I think that genetic makes you more attracted to the same sex but I believe that environment acts like the deciding factor, some may be become straight, some may become gay, but thatīs not a choice, it is something intrinsinc that you donīt even notice.
In my case, I have a good family, but I can find some things that may have made me this way.
In the end, I am totally confortable with myself, I love my life and I just feel blessed.

About this last topic, I think that 80% of the gays like to act gayer socially and I find it funny. Some of them might have that inside but I think most of them just like to act sissy. :lol:

CooCooCachoo
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:34 AM
I think that makes you gay it is basically genetic factors and of course the environment. In my case, I remember being attracted to boys when I was about 5 years old, I even kissed one of my schoolmates with that age...after that I kind forgot what was that and didnīt really think much about that obviously. I think that genetic makes you more attracted to the same sex but I believe that environment acts like the deciding factor, some may be become straight, some may become gay, but thatīs not a choice, it is something intrinsinc that you donīt even notice.
In my case, I have a good family, but I can find some things that may have made me this way.
In the end, I am totally confortable with myself, I love my life and I just feel blessed.

About this last topic, I think that 80% of the gays like to act gayer socially and I find it funny. Some of them might have that inside but I think most of them just like to act sissy. :lol:

Agree 100% with this post ;) Very compatible to what happened to me.

DutchieGirl
Aug 22nd, 2006, 06:47 PM
I think that makes you gay it is basically genetic factors and of course the environment. In my case, I remember being attracted to boys when I was about 5 years old, I even kissed one of my schoolmates with that age...after that I kind forgot what was that and didnīt really think much about that obviously. I think that genetic makes you more attracted to the same sex but I believe that environment acts like the deciding factor, some may be become straight, some may become gay, but thatīs not a choice, it is something intrinsinc that you donīt even notice.
In my case, I have a good family, but I can find some things that may have made me this way.
In the end, I am totally confortable with myself, I love my life and I just feel blessed.

About this last topic, I think that 80% of the gays like to act gayer socially and I find it funny. Some of them might have that inside but I think most of them just like to act sissy. :lol:

:yeah: I like how you say it's something you don't even notice. I felt like that too. I mean I knew I liked girls, but I never even really gave it a name until someone actually asked me if I was a lesbian! :lol: