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CondiLicious
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:11 PM
NBC News is reporting an arrest has finally been made in connection of JonBenet Ramsey's murder. The NBC station in Denver reports an arrest was made early this morning in Bangkok, Thailand.

A Boulder County district attorney investigator apparently traveled to thailand to get the suspect and bring him back to the United States.

The Denver station reports the suspect in Thailand confessed to the crime, and certain details only the killer could know. A press conference is expected later today.

The body of the six year old beauty queen was found in the basement of the family home on Christmas day 1996. Her parents were viewed with suspicion for years

It's about time... no?

Pureracket
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:12 PM
I'd almost forgotten about the case. I'm REALLY interested in seeing what the suspect has to say.

CondiLicious
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:13 PM
From CNN:

CNN) -- Authorities have arrested a "possible suspect" in the decade-old JonBenet Ramsey murder investigation, law enforcement sources told CNN on Wednesday.

An investigator with the Boulder County, Colorado, District Attorney's office traveled to Bangkok, Thailand, and is bringing a suspect back to the United States, CNN Denver affiliate KUSA reported.

The suspect was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, KUSA reported.

The man already was already held in Bangkok on unrelated sex charges, sources told The Associated Press.

Prosecutors have not confirmed the identity of the suspect, but expect to hold a press conference later today.

JonBenet's beaten and strangled body was found in the basement of the family home in Boulder, Colorado, the day after Christmas in 1996. She was 6.

A grand jury investigation into the death of the child beauty pageant winner ended without charges in 1999.

The investigation focused a spotlight on the child's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer. She was 49.

The Ramseys said an intruder committed the crime, but they remained the subject of suspicion and speculation.

In 2003, a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit against the Ramseys, blaming the police and the FBI for bungling the investigation. The Boulder County District Attorney's Office concurred with the judge's opinion the following month, saying there was little evidence against the couple

The Ramseys left Colorado and had a house in Charlevoix, Michigan, where John Ramsey unsuccessfully ran for office in 2004, and in Atlanta, Georgia

SelesFan70
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:21 PM
CNN now saying it's a 2nd grade school teacher. He's 41 years old.

FoxNews says he was arrested on an unrelated sex charge and he confessed! :mad:

tennisbuddy12
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:23 PM
thank god...i hope its true...poor family...even though the parents might have been involved

Wannabeknowitall
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:26 PM
I thought the police were slow to do their jobs in urban areas of a city but this takes the cake. A decade? It took a decade even with good developments in forensic science. Damn. Remind me never to go Boulder, CO.

jbeacinu
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:26 PM
Finally!!! I thought it was the mom...just kidding..The last thing to remind me of this was the People magazine coverage of her mom dying of cancer..

drake3781
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:27 PM
The Ramseys left Colorado and had a house in Charlevoix, Michigan, where John Ramsey unsuccessfully ran for office in 2004, and in Atlanta, Georgia

I worked two summers in Charlevoix, Michigan (as a lifeguard). Nice place, very pretty and pleasant.

Didn't know the Ramseys.

SelesFan70
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:30 PM
Now we know the lead story for Nancy Grace and Greta Van Susteren tonight. :)

Poor Patsy Ramsey, though. She didn't live to see this day. :sad:

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:31 PM
I feel like that entire investigation eventually killed Patsy Ramsey. I'm glad they've finally knabbed the perv, but wished Patsy was alive to confront the child killer.

Mother_Marjorie
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:32 PM
I thought the police were slow to do their jobs in urban areas of a city but this takes the cake. A decade? It took a decade even with good developments in forensic science. Damn. Remind me never to go Boulder, CO.

They try to "talk-up" Denver and Boulder, but the state of Colorado isn't best known for its "justice."

CondiLicious
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Poor Patsy Ramsey, though. She didn't live to see this day. :sad:


Yes, that's tragic. If only they coulda got him a few months earlier.

lizchris
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Yes, that's tragic. If only they coulda got him a few months earlier.


If only they could have goten him 9 years earlier.:mad:

BTW, Pasty Ramsey was aware that an arrrest was going to be made:eek: , but knew she would not live to see it.:sad:

Sally Struthers
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:51 PM
If this all pans out I publicly apologize to Patsy Ramsey for all the bad things I have said about her and calling her a murderer. :angel:

raquel
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:52 PM
I saw a documentary about that girl's murder not so long ago and they said they thought there was a good chance they'd never know the full story. It also showed clips of comedians making tasteless jokes on TV about Patsy Ramsay not long after the girl was murdered and tabloid headlines saying the parents were the likeliest murderers etc.

If after all that it turns out to be someone else some people really should be ashamed because the girls parents had suffered enough without all the bad publicity they got as well.

*JR*
Aug 16th, 2006, 10:58 PM
Keep in mind that some ppl confess (including volunteered confessions) to things they didn't do, because they're so desperate for their "15 minutes of fame". I'm not saying the guy is innocent, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions just yet.

CondiLicious
Aug 16th, 2006, 11:02 PM
Keep in mind that some ppl confess (including volunteered confessions) to things they didn't do, because they're so desperate for their "15 minutes of fame". I'm not saying the guy is innocent, but I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions just yet.

But apparently he knows details about the case that only the killer could know.

*JR*
Aug 16th, 2006, 11:09 PM
But apparently he knows details about the case that only the killer could know.
Oh, I hadn't heard that yet.

Incidentally, I still think Jon Benet's modeling pics were really exploiting a child her age, and (while not a crime) that "rap" remains a blot on her parents' judgement. In fact, I wonder if said pics drew the attention of the alleged killer to begin with.
:confused:

Wigglytuff
Aug 16th, 2006, 11:14 PM
Interesting to see how US law fervently pursues murder cases until they are solved.
lol :lol: :lol: no. not in most cases. high profile cases get different treatment than "regular" cases. this is in no way representative of what one would expect. not saying that no effort is made in other cases just that this abnormal.

harloo
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:07 AM
I still think JonBenet's father committed the crime.;)

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:12 AM
The TV talking heads owe an apology to the family.

Many of them (On FOX, MSNBC, CNN, etc.. ) made reckless and irresponsible accusations againts the Ramseys.

RainyDays
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:33 AM
I still think the parents were involved.

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:39 AM
I still think the parents were involved.

Even despite the arrest?

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:41 AM
The TV talking heads owe an apology to the family.

Most of them owe everybody an apology for subjecting us to such verbal diarrhea each time they open their overpaid mouths. They are a pet peeve of mine.

Slumpsova
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:02 AM
how he got arrested? i mean what is he doing in Bangkok? :scared:

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:10 AM
how he got arrested? i mean what is he doing in Bangkok? :scared:

Hey, he is a child sex offender!
Many westerners go to Asia because of child prostitution.

From time to time, some of the TV news magazine in the US do investigating reporting on Bangkok sex trade, and I am sure you know many whites, middle and upper class europeans and americans go to sex tourism in Bangok.

Maybe FOX NEWs, Thailand version, can suggest an Ariport line
for Whites Only so that they can protect Thai children.

partbrit
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:43 AM
Interesting to see how US law fervently pursues murder cases until they are solved.

Not true. This case was pursued because it is high profile (i.e., a blonde female child was the victim), and the Boulder police did such a godawful job that it had to be pursued at another level. In general, though, unless the victim matches a certain profile, good luck getting anyone to pursue the case beyond a specified amount of time, if that.

tennisbum79
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:48 AM
Not true. This case was pursued because it is high profile (i.e., a blonde female child was the victim), and the Boulder police did such a godawful job that it had to be pursued at another level. In general, though, unless the victim matches a certain profile, good luck getting anyone to pursue the case beyond a specified amount of time, if that.
I have to agree with you on this one.

skanky~skanketta
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:14 AM
blank.

Rocketta
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:56 AM
I'm happy for her brother that this won't follow him in the rest of his adult life. I'm glad there may be an end to the case. :shrug:

IceHock
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:03 AM
I feel so sorry for that family,that killer killed 2 people both Jonbenet and Patsy.The family doesn't deserve that NO family deserves that.It truely is a terrible crime.

Wigglytuff
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:07 AM
I feel so sorry for that family,that killer killed 2 people both Jonbenet and Patsy.The family doesn't deserve that NO family deserves that.It truely is a terrible crime.
ummm pasty died of cancer...

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:17 AM
ummm pasty died of cancer...

Stress is not good for a cancer patient.

Wigglytuff
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:19 AM
Stress is not good for a cancer patient.
sure. just saying it was cancer, 10 years after her daughter died, thats all.

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:23 AM
sure. just saying it was cancer, 10 years after her daughter died, thats all.

Okay. I think the other poster was just trying to imply that this guy killed Pat Ramsey indirectly with all the stress that was put on her for a decade following JonBenet's murder.

drake3781
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:41 AM
how he got arrested? i mean what is he doing in Bangkok? :scared:

Tuna!

Can you do a little news-checking?

Where was the man in Bangkok.... hotel ? Which one ? Which area ?

What was the crime he committed in Thailand ?

Details, please !!

Wigglytuff
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:43 AM
Okay. I think the other poster was just trying to imply that this guy killed Pat Ramsey indirectly with all the stress that was put on her for a decade following JonBenet's murder.
right and i was saying that she died of cancer. so i dont think its reasonable to say some guy killed her, when it was cancer, thats all.

SelesFan70
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:06 AM
Hey, he is a child sex offender!
Many westerners go to Asia because of child prostitution.

From time to time, some of the TV news magazine in the US do investigating reporting on Bangkok sex trade, and I am sure you know many whites, middle and upper class europeans and americans go to sex tourism in Bangok.

Maybe FOX NEWs, Thailand version, can suggest an Ariport line
for Whites Only so that they can protect Thai children.

Fuck that! Seperate airplanes! :angel:

canoe.
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:39 AM
Well if he did do it I'll be interested to hear what the long ransom note was all about!

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM
http://images.chron.com/photos/2006/08/17/3194172/311xInlineGallery.jpg

Aug. 17, 2006, 2:38AM
Officials: Suspect admits killing Ramsey

By SUTIN WANNABOVORN Associated Press Writer
2006 The Associated Press

BANGKOK, Thailand A former schoolteacher has admitted to killing 6-year-old beauty queen JonBenet Ramsey and will face charges of murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault in Colorado, officials said Thursday.

John Mark Karr, 41, admitted to the killing after he was arrested at his downtown Bangkok apartment Wednesday night, Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul told The Associated Press.

Karr will be taken to Boulder, Colo., within the next week, where he will be charged with first degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault, Ann Hurst, Department of Homeland Security attache at the American Embassy in Bangkok, said at a news conference in Bangkok.

Karr, appearing ashen with an expressionless look on his face, also appeared briefly at the news conference but did not say anything.

Suwat said U.S. authorities informed Thai police on Aug. 11 that an arrest warrant had been issued for Karr on charges of premeditated murder. The warrant was sent to Thai police on Wednesday, the day he was picked up in Bangkok.

At the press conference, Suwat said that Karr insisted after his arrest that his crime was not first-degree murder. "He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional. He said he was in love with the child. She was a pageant queen," Suwat said.

The Thai officer quoted the suspect as saying he tried to kidnap JonBenet for a $118,000 ransom but that his plan went awry and he strangled her to death.

Hurst said Karr has been "very cooperative" with authorities and that he's shown a "variety of emotions." She said he has been a suspect "for a while" but wouldn't specify how long.

Suwat said Karr arrived in Bangkok on June 6 from Malaysia to look for a teaching job. It was not clear whether he had gotten a job, the police officer said.

Karr has been in Thailand four times over the past two years, police said.

Police said he was living in a dormitory-style hotel called The Blooms in a neighborhood of massage parlors and travel agents that cater to expatriate residents and offer sex tours.

The arrest was a surprise development in one of America's most lurid murder cases, which had left a cloud of suspicion over her family after years went by with no suspect arrested.

JonBenet was found beaten and strangled in the basement of her family's home in Boulder in the U.S. state of Colorado on Dec. 26, 1996. Striking video images of the girl in child beauty pageants helped propel the case into one of the highest-profile mysteries in the United States.

Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood said the arrest vindicated JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, who had initially been suspected of being involved in the crime. Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer June 24.

Karr was a teacher who once lived in Conyers, Ga., according to Wood. The attorney said the Ramseys gave police information about Karr before he was identified as a suspect.

Wood would not say how the Ramseys knew Karr. But JonBenet was born in Atlanta in 1990, and the Ramseys lived in the Atlanta suburb of Dunwoody, about 30 miles northeast of Conyers, for several years before moving to Colorado in 1991.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:16 AM
What a disgusting man, it infuriates me so much. Just sickening.

rebel_ffighter
Aug 17th, 2006, 09:35 AM
I have read every detail of the murder a couple of years ago and I always thought that the parents were involved...It is strange,I remember that there were no evidence of an intruder in the house.

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 11:39 AM
He looks scary.

Freakan
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:09 PM
After so many years :eek:

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 12:56 PM
I remember being 8 years old at the time of the murder and being so fascinated with the case... I constantly bought the tabloid magazines that had her on the cover for nearly 3 years running. Amazing how big of a story it turned out to be. I truly feel sorry for her parents, even after the arrest is made, people are still going to look down upon them as though they had something to do with it.

And :eek: @ his picture.. he looks near death.

Halardfan
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:00 PM
My instincts always said it was the parents who were responsible, but who knows, plenty of famous crimes do have all kinds of people claiming to have perpertrated them who turn out to be crazy attention seekers...

Hopefully we will see in time, and how much the guy claims to know of the details of the crime.

Lord Nelson
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:04 PM
The guy is extremely thin. Like that Nicole Ritchie :eek:

Wigglytuff
Aug 17th, 2006, 01:29 PM
this is just so disturbing on so many level

Helen Lawson
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Good grief! I always thought the parents had something to do with it, I just could not fathom someone breaking into a house like that Christmas night, I mean, that's pretty gutsy and there was all that weird pageant stuff she did like gyrating her hips in a lewd manner wearing a Vegas showgirl outfit at like age 5, I just thought the parents were whacked.

Great that they caught him. Though he looks totally gay, so this sadly will only enforce stereotypes that pedophiles and gay people are one in the same.

Sally Struthers
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:31 PM
the guy looks crazy. he totally has the Norman Bates/Hannibal Lecter look going on. I wonder if he's just saying that he did it and that he really is crazy, although they say he knows information that only the killer would know but still. :scared:

Pheobo
Aug 17th, 2006, 02:32 PM
I knew Patsy didn't do it.

Martian KC
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:13 PM
I really hope he is the killer.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:20 PM
I really hope he is the killer.

It will be terrible if he has just made it up to get himself in the papers or something like that. What a terrible thing to put JoBenet's family through after so much.

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:46 PM
According to FOX News Channel, his wife is saying that John Karr was in Alabama at the time of the murder, hundred of miles away.

There is going to be a televised news conference in 1 HOUR 15 MINUTES from now..

Infiniti2001
Aug 17th, 2006, 03:48 PM
Damn he looks creepy :scared: You know, like the type that lives at home in their parents basement and spends lots of time on their pc :unsure:

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:22 PM
According to FOX News Channel, his wife is saying that John Karr was in Alabama at the time of the murder, hundred of miles away.

If this guy is lying I'm going to be so F*CKEN angry .... I think I will just cry. I just hate him so much no matter what happens. How dare he take away a little girls life, a girl who had so much promise and was such a beautiful, talented young girl. And if he is lying how dare he mess with the heads of those people who care and love her. What a sick bastard.

GoDominique
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:44 PM
Never heard about this case before, but after the seeing some video footage of this little girl at some "beauty" pageant I'm not sure she would be leading a happy life today so maybe ...
I better stop there.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Never heard about this case before, but after the seeing some video footage of this little girl at some "beauty" pageant I'm not sure she would be leading a happy life today so maybe ...
I better stop there.

Many young girls do beauty pagents and it from what's been told JoBenet enjoyed doing them. I find it odd you would say that just because she was in beauty pagents that you think she wouldnt be leading a happy life today.

And no offence but if you haven't heard of this case you have been living under a rock. That or you must be like 9.

GoDominique
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:51 PM
Many young girls do beauty pagents and it from what's been told JoBenet enjoyed doing them. I find it odd you would say that just because she was in beauty pagents that you think she wouldnt be leading a happy life today.

And no offence but if you haven't heard of this case you have been living under a rock. That or you must be like 9.
Or ... not be from the USA? :rolleyes: It might have been in the media over here, I don't remember.

Yeah, I'm sure she enjoyed it. LOL.

Looked her up at Wikipedia. After seeing her dressed up like that - yeah, her parents definitely deserve to be jailed anyway. :retard:

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:54 PM
Or ... not be from the USA? :rolleyes: It might have been in the media over here, I don't remember.

Yeah, I'm sure she enjoyed it. LOL.

Looked her up at Wikipedia. After seeing her dressed up like that - yeah, her parents definitely deserve to be jailed anyway. :retard:

I'm not in the USA ... this was a worldwide story. It was news all around the globe pretty much.

Meanwhile your thing about her parents deserving to be jailed .... :rolleyes: .... what an idiotic thing to say.

GoDominique
Aug 17th, 2006, 04:59 PM
I'm not in the USA ... this was a worldwide story. It was news all around the globe pretty much.

Meanwhile your thing about her parents deserving to be jailed .... :rolleyes: .... what an idiotic thing to say.
Then maybe you have a bigger faible for tabloid stories like this one.

I only posted here to vent my disgust about the abuse that her parents did to her.
If they had let her lead a normal life this probably wouldn't have happened.

Helen Lawson
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:01 PM
I have to say, even being unfamiliar with children's beauty pageants, her dress and demeanor seemed a little over the top, even for someone who did pageants. And the thousands of photos with all the professional make-up and hair and sometimes fairly slutty clothes and oddly provocative poses, I think helped to make her a media princess, apart from the awful story of her death, and just sort of put a strange aura out, at least to me. I have no idea if she liked doing pageants or not, but I thought the whole thing was a little creepy and the parents odd.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:03 PM
Then maybe you have a bigger faible for tabloid stories like this one.

I only posted here to vent my disgust about the abuse that her parents did to her.
If they had let her lead a normal life this probably wouldn't have happened.

It was hard to avoid the story. I by no means read up on every single article (of which there were thousands, maybe millions worldwide) on the event.

Meanwhile blaming the parents is a pitiful escape. It is like saying that a woman who dresses provocatively is partly to blame if she gets raped. Nothing but the person who attacked and killed JonBenet is to blame. There are millions of girls in beauty pagents and i'm not quite sure of the % but I'm pretty sure the majority of them don't get viciously murdered :rolleyes: .... the parents arn't to blame one single iota.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:07 PM
I have to say, even being unfamiliar with children's beauty pageants, her dress and demeanor seemed a little over the top, even for someone who did pageants. And the thousands of photos with all the professional make-up and hair and sometimes fairly slutty clothes and oddly provocative poses, I think helped to make her a media princess, apart from the awful story of her death, and just sort of put a strange aura out, at least to me. I have no idea if she liked doing pageants or not, but I thought the whole thing was a little creepy and the parents odd.

Obviously the reason the story was so widely reported on was because she was a blonde young girl who went in beauty pagents. Parents who enter their children into pagents are always seen as a little weird with some of the things they have their children doing. Have you seen that show about beauty pagents, some of those mothers are crazy. Although JonBenet (from videos and such) seems to have lapped it up and enjoyed it emmensly, which some little girls do.

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:10 PM
Press Conference is on news channels LIVE right now.

GoDominique
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:10 PM
It was hard to avoid the story. I by no means read up on every single article (of which there were thousands, maybe millions worldwide) on the event.

Meanwhile blaming the parents is a pitiful escape. It is like saying that a woman who dresses provocatively is partly to blame if she gets raped. Nothing but the person who attacked and killed JonBenet is to blame. There are millions of girls in beauty pagents and i'm not quite sure of the % but I'm pretty sure the majority of them don't get viciously murdered :rolleyes: .... the parents arn't to blame one single iota.
Bullshit.

First of all, I blame her parents for treating her badly, not for being partly responsible of her murder.
And then: If a grown woman decides to dress sluttily, well that's her own choice. That little kid had no choice in that matter.

And even without being responsible in both cases the person's appearance might be one of the reasons that led to the rape/murder. Doesn't make them guilty but is a possible explanation.

Helen Lawson
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:11 PM
Obviously the reason the story was so widely reported on was because she was a blonde young girl who went in beauty pagents. Parents who enter their children into pagents are always seen as a little weird with some of the things they have their children doing. Have you seen that show about beauty pagents, some of those mothers are crazy. Although JonBenet (from videos and such) seems to have lapped it up and enjoyed it emmensly, which some little girls do.

I haven't seen the show. I saw two clips of her performances a long time ago. One, she was a little cowgirl and the outfit was cute. The other was a Las Vegas showgirl's outfit where the adult version is topless, only JB had flesh-colored fabric over her "chest", and she's like wildly gyrating her hips with her arms up, I'm like, huh?

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Bullshit.

First of all, I blame her parents for treating her badly, not for being partly responsible of her murder.
And then: If a grown woman decides to dress sluttily, well that's her own choice. That little kid had no choice in that matter.

And even without being responsible in both cases the person's appearance might be one of the reasons that led to the rape/murder. Doesn't make them guilty but is a possible explanation.

Why would you think her parents treated her badly? Where do you get that from? From reports she was a happy young girl who enjoyed going in those pagents, I fail to see where you could get anything from that that even remotely suggests her parents treated her badly.
You said you don't know much about this case, and it pretty much shows.

And I'm pretty sure that her appearance was a very big factor in this pervert being in 'love' with JonBenet, but you can't blame her parents because she was attractive or blame them for dressing her in pretty clothes.

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I haven't seen the show. I saw two clips of her performances a long time ago. One, she was a little cowgirl and the outfit was cute. The other was a Las Vegas showgirl's outfit where the adult version is topless, only JB had flesh-colored fabric over her "chest", and she's like wildly gyrating her hips with her arms up, I'm like, huh?

Ah, the show I was referring to was some child beauty pagent backstage show. It is true that some mothers really push their daughters into it when they don't want to do it. I was just saying that from the videos of JonBenet it seemed she did enjoy them.

& yes I do know the video's you are talking about, they have been playing non stop on news shows today and I agree that these pagents can go overboard sometimes, but it is all harmless and in no way meant to be provocative or 'sexy', in my opinion.

GoDominique
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:45 PM
And I'm pretty sure that her appearance was a very big factor in this pervert being in 'love' with JonBenet, but you can't blame her parents because she was attractive or blame them for dressing her in pretty clothes.
Oh I can blame them for dressing her up like a woman because she wasn't one.

And calling a six-year-old girl "attractive" is pretty pervertish too. I hope this was just a mistake from your side ...

Erika_Angel
Aug 17th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Oh I can blame them for dressing her up like a woman because she wasn't one.

And calling a six-year-old girl "attractive" is pretty pervertish too. I hope this was just a mistake from your side ...

Oh please calling me out for calling her attractive :rolleyes: you are an idiot. It is obvious I meant it in no way sexual. People always say things like "what an attractive little girl/boy" or "what an attractive baby" .... do you even know what attractive means? Pleasing the the eye pretty much, beautiful etc ....

Calling me a pervert :rolleyes: enjoy the badrep you idiot.

lizchris
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:01 PM
I hate to bust anyone bubble, but this suspect could be making the whole thing up.

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=256295

Williamsser
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:22 PM
He said that he drugged her, yet toxocology reports showed that the body had no signs of drugs. He said that he had sex with her, yet no semen was found.

spiceboy
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:43 PM
From today's papers :tape:

http://www.gawker.com/assets/resources/2006/08/jonben.jpg

jbeacinu
Aug 17th, 2006, 06:54 PM
The guy looks like he is a murderer

gentenaire
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:05 PM
I have read every detail of the murder a couple of years ago and I always thought that the parents were involved...It is strange,I remember that there were no evidence of an intruder in the house.

You must have missed quite a few things then, like the pubic hair that was found that didn't belong to the parents or brother, or the marks on the wall under the window, showing someone climbed through it.
From the pubic hair, they have a DNA profile so I presume we'll soon know if it matches the guy who's now been arrested.

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:09 PM
You must have missed quite a few things then, like the pubic hair that was found that didn't belong to the parents or brother, or the marks on the wall under the window, showing someone climbed through it.
From the pubic hair, they have a DNA profile so I presume we'll soon know if it matches the guy who's now been arrested.

There was no entry through the window, as there were spider-webs still intact in the supposed entrance.

jbeacinu
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Umm okay how can both of you think that you were right? It's either/or

gentenaire
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:11 PM
There was no entry through the window, as there were spider-webs still intact in the supposed entrance.

Do you have a link that can show this is true. Because if there's one thing we should have learned from this case, it's that we shouldn't trust what's been written in the press. Plenty of things have been said in the press about this case that turned out to be false! They just copied from other newspapers without checking the facts first.

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:13 PM
Do you have a link that can show this is true. Because if there's one thing we should have learned from this case, it's that we shouldn't trust what's been written in the press. Plenty of things have been said in the press about this case that turned out to be false! They just copied from other newspapers without checking the facts first.

It was said on the news by the Investigators who were involved with the case in 1996.

gentenaire
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:20 PM
It was said on the news by the Investigators who were involved with the case in 1996.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/evidence_2.html

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:23 PM
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/famous/ramsey/evidence_2.html


It's wrong.

gentenaire
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:26 PM
It's wrong.

and how do you know that?

Perfection
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:36 PM
and how do you know that?

As Paris Hilton frequently says, "I just do.."

gentenaire
Aug 17th, 2006, 07:56 PM
you do, because you want to. You're not entitled to your own facts.

We're both basing our views on things we saw in the media, on the news, read online. Those are biased sources! The media presented many things as factst that turned out to be false.
The Ramseys were considered guilty by most without a single piece of evidence that would actually stand in a court of law! They were never charged because they simply had nothing on them, despite the witch hunt against them, they found nothing! Whatever happened to innocent unless proven guilty?

People WANT the Ramseys to be guilty so they readily accept all things they pick up that might point in that direction, without checking if it's actually true.

I don't know if the Ramseys are innocent or not. All I know is that there's zero evidence that proves they're guilty. And as long as there's zero evidence, I presume they're innocent. And it's not as if they didn't look for such evidence, quite the contrary.

And since there's evidence of a third party (foreign DNA found on her body), I think it more likely that someone else killed her.

RainyDays
Aug 17th, 2006, 08:34 PM
I still think the parents were involved.
Even despite the arrest?

Yes, even despite the arrest.

CondiLicious
Aug 17th, 2006, 10:11 PM
I hate to bust anyone bubble, but this suspect could be making the whole thing up.

http://wtaworld.com/showthread.php?t=256295

He could have been but I'm sure the arrest wasn't made without an investigation into his claims, by all accounts the DA has proceeded with this cautiously and that makes me think that she doesn't want to set herself up for public humiliation. There must be strong evidence to suggest he did it. There will be lots of bullshit stories... stories supporting that he did it and stories suggesting he's a liar... just like there were a zillion bullshit stories that suggested that her parents did it/didn't do it/that it was her brother.

Sadly this stopped being reported on as a murder case long ago... It's an entertainment story to the media and the media will ensure that there will be lots of twists and turns.

CondiLicious
Aug 18th, 2006, 09:48 PM
From CNN:

BOULDER, Colorado (CNN) -- John Mark Karr gave authorities graphic details about the condition of JonBenet Ramsey's body that have been kept secret for nearly a decade, a U.S. law enforcement source told CNN on Friday.Those details were known only to the medical examiner and the investigators investigating the December 26, 1996 slaying of the 6-year-old beauty pageant competitor, the law enforcement official said.

Some of the details Karr shared were gruesome -- and accurate -- the source said. (Read about the crime scene (http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/18/ramsey.crimescene/index.html))

Meanwhile, Ramsey family attorney Lin Wood told The Associated Press that JonBenet's mother Patsy Ramsey agreed to meet with the man who claimed to be her daughter's killer to help investigators.

But Patsy Ramsey died of ovarian cancer in June before the meeting took place, the AP said.

Karr, 41, said he believed Patsy Ramsey read his correspondence expressing remorse for JonBenet's death before she died. (Watch Karr describe contacting the Ramseys -- :44 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2006/08/17/sot.karr.audio.love.aptn.ap%27,%272006/08/24%27%29;))

But Wood told the AP that Patsy Ramsey never received Karr's letters or e-mails because the correspondence was routed to police.

"He thought that he was corresponding with Patsy, but he wasn't," Wood told the news service.

Friday's developments lent further mystery to the high-profile murder case.

Karr was taken into custody Wednesday morning in Bangkok, Thailand, where he had just started a teaching job.

A U.S. warrant called for his arrest on suspicion of first-degree murder, kidnapping and child sexual assault.

He said he loved JonBenet, and killed her by accident. Asked if he were an innocent man, Karr replied, "No." (Watch Karr's stunning admission -- 1:15 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/law/2006/08/17/sots.john.mark.karr.speaks.aptn%27,%272006/08/24%27%29;))

Despite Karr's startling confession, many questions remain to be answered before authorities can say the case has been solved.

Questions about whereabouts

One of those questions was raised by Karr's former wife, Lara Karr, who says he was with her in Alabama or Georgia during the 1996 Christmas holidays.

JonBenet's body was found in the basement of the Ramsey home in Boulder, Colorado, early on the morning of December 26. Karr told reporters in Bangkok that he was with JonBenet in the basement when she died.

But Lara Karr's attorney, Michael Rains, said his client "sincerely believes there was no Christmas ... anytime between 1989 and 2000 when they were married ... when her husband was not with her and her family at Christmastime." (Watch forensic pathologist describe some of the holes in Karr's story -- 4:13 (http://javascript%3Cb%3E%3C/b%3E:cnnVideo%28%27play%27,%27/video/tech/2006/08/18/wecht.jonbenet.forensics.ap%27,%272006/08/25%27%29;))

Evidence from the Colorado crime scene contradicts Karr's version of events. JonBenet's death was violent, investigators found. An autopsy showed she received a massive blow to the head and was strangled with a rope that the killer tightened by twisting an attached paintbrush handle.

Karr has not publicly given details about how he got into the Ramsey house and, if he did so, how he found his way around the maze of rooms, hallways and closets.

Even police overlooked the storage room where JonBenet's body was found during their first search after the girl was reported missing.

Karr's connection to Colorado is also vague. Although his e-mail correspondence with a University of Colorado journalism professor led to his arrest in Thailand, authorities said, they have produced no evidence to show Karr was ever in Colorado.

The Rocky Mountain News published on its Web site Friday excerpts of what investigators say they believe are e-mails between Karr and professor Michael Tracey, including one that read: "JonBenet, my love, my life. I love you and shall forever love you. I pray that you can hear my voice calling out to you from my darkness..." (Read paper's account of e-mails (http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4926302,00.html)http://i.cnn.net/cnn/.element/img/1.3/misc/icon.offsite.gif)

None of the e-mails include statements from Karr about his possible role in JonBenet's death, the paper said. In one e-mail, Karr said he was under federal investigation for "child murder and child molestation" in four states, the paper reported.

Another question is Karr's familiarity with the Ramsey family.

Ramseys didn't know Karr

JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, said in an interview Wednesday that he did not know Karr. But a ransom note, found in the Boulder home after JonBenet went missing, addresses John Ramsey in a familiar tone, repeatedly using his first name and calling him a "fat cat."

The ransom note demanded $118,000, the amount he had received in a company bonus before his daughter was killed.

At a news conference Thursday, Boulder County District Attorney Mary Lacy said the case is still under investigation. "There is much more work that needs to be done now that the suspect is in custody."

"John Karr is presumed innocent," Lacy said. "Do not jump to judgment. Do not speculate. Let the justice system take its course."

The professor who put authorities on the trail of Karr took a similar tack.

"I don't know that he's guilty," Tracey told the AP. "Obviously, I went to the district attorney for a reason, but let him have his day in court and let JonBenet have her day in court and let's see how it plays out."

U.S. and Thai officials are working on clearing Karr's return to the United States, although no date for the transfer has been set.

U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents and Thai authorities worked closely on the case for two months before Karr's arrest on Wednesday, ICE attache Ann Hurst said.

Officials in Bangkok said he had traveled to Thailand -- a country notorious for its child sex trade -- five times in the past two years.