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markhingis
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:35 PM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.

LoveFifteen
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:39 PM
It's something to admire. She's like the Queen of the B-list. Which ironically is the same aspiration that Serena has for her acting career!

Kim's_fan_4ever
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:50 PM
That's true. Smashnova only wins tier III and IV. Her only strengh is that she is so consistent. She hits the ball so high above the net, it makes me angry when I have to watch it all the time.

AceTennisGrrrl
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:57 PM
YOu have to admire the career she has carved out for herself with her style of play still able to win titles at 30 and beat the young players who are hard ball bashers

It's also something to admire that you can keep her strong head in final situations, no matter who your opponent is

rightous
Jul 30th, 2006, 02:06 PM
Without professionals like Anna Smashnona, Amy Frazier, Paola Saurez, Lisa Raymond and others there would be no tour.

So Anna hasn't won a GS title it doesn't demean the accomplishments that she have. How many players have won 12 titles out of 12 finals, none. It is a great achievement. And Anna has beaten some of the best players in the world (at one point she reached top 15). She has beaten Kim, Justine, ElenaD, Amilie, Vera, Sveta, Daniela,Alica, Patty among others so she is hardly the worst player to ever pick up a racquet.

We need variety in the game of tennis and that is what Anna and others bring. I think Anna should be awarded for being so tough on court, like she knows she can't blast opponents off the court, so she runs her heart out and will never give up. She has had a brilliant career.

Poova
Jul 30th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Her consistency is very admiral. Although she's never been top 10, she's been a decent force in tennis for 10 or so years. Plus other reasons people have said about the 12 titles in 12 finals thing and stuff.

Tichi
Jul 30th, 2006, 02:57 PM
A lot of players ranked above her (and way younger than her) haven't even won that many tier III of IV titles.
She's a really consistent player, nice personality on tour.

henmanhill
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:07 PM
She makes the very best of what she has. 99.99% of players would give their right arm just to win one Tier 4.

tennisjt
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:10 PM
She makes the very best of what she has. 99.99% of players would give their right arm just to win one Tier 4.


Yeah, I agree.
You cannot dismiss players that aren't in the Top 10.
Everyone out there is busting their ass just to try and win a match, much less as many tournaments as Smashnova has won.
Congrats to Anna on another title

golo
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:33 PM
congrats

Carsten
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:50 PM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.

You must add she's dominant at tiers III and IV's played on Clay.
She's doing that because she's making almost no Errors, but also she has absolutely NO weapon... and because most of the lower ranked players she faces in those tourneys lack consistency she's doing so well there. And the Top-players also have no Problems with her because they mostly have this consistensy or the weapons to attack almost every of her shots.

squig2k
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:04 PM
i think shes very clever keeping to the low tiers where she knows she can win - shes very consistent there. if she played tier 1s and 2s consistently she would lose early but playing the lower tiers enables her to win tournaments, money and better ranking points

hablo
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:08 PM
I think the tour is so competitive that it's probably even challenging to win tier fours, so good for her :yeah:


Not every player on tour wins tournaments, you know :rolleyes::tape:

MH0861
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:15 PM
You must add she's dominant at tiers III and IV's played on Clay.
She's doing that because she's making almost no Errors, but also she has absolutely NO weapon... and because most of the lower ranked players she faces in those tourneys lack consistency, she's doing so well there. And the Top-players also have no Problems with her because they mostly have this consistensy or the weapons to attack almost every of her shots.

I think everyone in your signature except for Lindsay would love to have the titles that Anna does on their resume. Not to mention the fact she has the same amount of career titles as they do combined (Lindsay excluded, of course.)

oren987
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:18 PM
Without professionals like Anna Smashnona, Amy Frazier, Paola Saurez, Lisa Raymond and others there would be no tour.

So Anna hasn't won a GS title it doesn't demean the accomplishments that she have. How many players have won 12 titles out of 12 finals, none. It is a great achievement. And Anna has beaten some of the best players in the world (at one point she reached top 15). She has beaten Kim, Justine, ElenaD, Amilie, Vera, Sveta, Daniela,Alica, Patty among others so she is hardly the worst player to ever pick up a racquet.

We need variety in the game of tennis and that is what Anna and others bring. I think Anna should be awarded for being so tough on court, like she knows she can't blast opponents off the court, so she runs her heart out and will never give up. She has had a brilliant career.

:yeah: Anna is a great tennis player. She had the best career with what she had. I realy love her for that.

Carsten
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:34 PM
I think everyone in your signature except for Lindsay would love to have the titles that Anna does on their resume. Not to mention the fact she has the same amount of career titles as they do combined (Lindsay excluded, of course.)

Did I say something against Smashnova?? I have nothing against her and really have a lot of respect for her and her fighting spirit...

I nerver said that she is a bad player or something like that...:rolleyes: But is there really someone who says that she has a weapon in her game? ;)

what has that to do with the players in my signature?? :tape:

GracefulVenus
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:45 PM
It really should not matter whether it is a Tier III or IV. You still have to defeat the same amount of opponents to hold the trophy! I am good player in my division but have never won a title! It takes a lot to win a title and just having the game is not enough now aday. Great job Anna, you have accomplished something I am still attempting to achieve!

V-MAC
Jul 30th, 2006, 05:15 PM
Anna might not be the most interesting player to watch but kudos to her for making the most out of what she has, she obviously has a great tennis brain.

King Aaron
Jul 30th, 2006, 05:31 PM
Anna is something else. :hearts:

jmd
Jul 30th, 2006, 06:41 PM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.

I dont like your negativity, you should see her one day on court, she gives her heart out, like very few players!

markhingis
Jul 30th, 2006, 06:46 PM
I saw her play on TV and it was not a tennis to enjoy.
It's not about my negativity-with the tools she has,she's achieved a lot-but I don't understand such exalting her.

rightous
Jul 30th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Mark there is hardly exalting of her. A few threads where made about her great accomplishment (a feat that has never been achieved before). Count up the amount of threads about Anna and it must be like 0.00001%. So while noy just let her fans have their day to coast their fave:)

Carsten
Jul 30th, 2006, 07:04 PM
I dont like your negativity, you should see her one day on court, she gives her heart out, like very few players!

Why do you give me a bad rep.??? As I said I didn't say she's a bad player... And I've seen her already live... (Luxemburg 2005, 1:6 2:6 vs. ALG)... Of course she can play... But her strength is her consistency and fighting spirit and not an unbelievable shot-making, I didn't say something else and that's the truth.

Slumpsova
Jul 30th, 2006, 07:14 PM
she should be prohibited on committing to lower tiers.

sapir1434
Jul 30th, 2006, 09:33 PM
But she is a queen of something in the womens tennis, and you know we can't say this about many players at the tour :) And if 12 titles (and out of 12 finals) is nothing special for you, so I can say that there are so many players that are really nothing in tennis.

Mark Spruce
Jul 30th, 2006, 09:35 PM
I say good for her

keep it up what ever makes her happy

Ellery
Jul 30th, 2006, 10:22 PM
Anna rocks :worship:

©@ģeLess
Jul 30th, 2006, 10:27 PM
she knows where she can do most, and she does it great.

Europe rocks
Jul 30th, 2006, 10:37 PM
I wish I could win 12 titles :sad:

Anna brings something different to the tour with how she plays and it doesnít matter how that she has only won tier 3ís and 4ís. Nicole Vaidisova has only won tier 3ís and 4ís, why not have a go at her?

Ryan
Jul 30th, 2006, 10:51 PM
I saw her play on TV and it was not a tennis to enjoy.
It's not about my negativity-with the tools she has,she's achieved a lot-but I don't understand such exalting her.


Exalting? She's won TWELVE titles. Capriati's only won 14. Obviously you cant compare the strength etc. of them, but it's still quite a feat for someone who hovers between #30-#60 to win twelve career titles, let alone winning all of her WTA finals!

You can't say she doesn't have a weapon either. A weapon isn't necessarily a big serve or killer backhand. Her fitness, foot speed, determination, consistancy and tenacity are her weapons. It's not enough to beat the top players by any means, but she is a smart schedule-er and plays within herself at events she knows she can win.

Linnie
Jul 30th, 2006, 11:13 PM
So what if it's Tier 3, 4 or 60 - it's a great accomplishment for anyone to win 12 titles! I can only say mazel tov :yeah:

Carsten
Jul 30th, 2006, 11:16 PM
Exalting? She's won TWELVE titles. Capriati's only won 14. Obviously you cant compare the strength etc. of them, but it's still quite a feat for someone who hovers between #30-#60 to win twelve career titles, let alone winning all of her WTA finals!

You can't say she doesn't have a weapon either. A weapon isn't necessarily a big serve or killer backhand. Her fitness, foot speed, determination, consistancy and tenacity are her weapons. It's not enough to beat the top players by any means, but she is a smart schedule-er and plays within herself at events she knows she can win.

If someone say's she has no weapon then people mean of course her strokes and there she doesn't have one... the other things are "strengthes", but you can't really call it weapon... She's a player who uses the weakness of other players.

btw: I did NOT say she's a bad player ;)

rightous
Jul 31st, 2006, 12:36 AM
If someone say's she has no weapon then people mean of course her strokes and there she doesn't have one... the other things are "strengthes", but you can't really call it weapon... She's a player who uses the weakness of other players.

btw: I did NOT say she's a bad player ;)

Anna has a pretty deadly backhand cross court

Carsten
Jul 31st, 2006, 12:50 AM
Anna has a pretty deadly backhand cross court

well, deadly is a little too much ;) she definitly doesn't win her matches by outplaying her opponents or hitting winners ;)

rightous
Jul 31st, 2006, 12:59 AM
well, deadly is a little too much ;) she definitly doesn't win her matches by outplaying her opponents or hitting winners ;)

I have seen opponents literally die when she hits it:p

She won 3 of her matches in Budapest by hitting more winners than her opponents;) :p

SAEKeithSerena
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:00 AM
i think there's some respect there obviously for her, but you are right in certain aspects too. congrats to her though with her results this weekend

mirzalover
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:03 AM
yeah i remember when she was playing jennifer cap back in 03 at the pilot pen tournament and she was hitting her backhand crosscourt pretty hard jen wasnt getting to alot of them back

switz
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:24 AM
yes i don't like the way she has made the most of her abilities to grind out a very respectable career. even though she is only 5 foot she should try and play like a power player and make lots of unforced errors because that is much more entertaining :rolleyes:

she should be ashamed of herself ;)

brunof
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:25 AM
Kournikova could've probably learned something from her namesake. :o There are so many great players who go their entire careers without winning a title. Look at Karina Habsudova...she had a winning record against Hingis (4-3) and a lot of everyone else who mattered during her time and only won 1 title in her career.

Pheobo
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:34 AM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.

No shit, fucktard :rolleyes:

That doesn't mean we can't like her.

switz
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:34 AM
Kournikova could've probably learned something from her namesake. :o There are so many great players who go their entire careers without winning a title. Look at Karina Habsudova...she had a winning record against Hingis (4-3) and a lot of everyone else who mattered during her time and only won 1 title in her career.

Habsudova was pretty unlucky with injuries though. As was Kournikova as well i suppose, although she undoubtedly would have won titles when she was young if she played lower tiers but to be honest i blame her agents as much as anyone for that - she got the limelight so early she never had a chance to work her way up, which helped her at first but ultimately ruined her.

416_Man
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:36 AM
DIE, threadstarter.

Smashnova would moonball you off the fucken court so bad, that you'd be crying to your mother.

tobi
Jul 31st, 2006, 08:49 AM
Congrats Anna :woohoo: :yeah:

Pheobo
Jul 31st, 2006, 09:40 AM
I hope the threadstarter knows that he's stating the blatantly obvious...

markhingis
Jul 31st, 2006, 10:03 AM
DIE, threadstarter.

Smashnova would moonball you off the fucken court so bad, that you'd be crying to your mother.

Bullshitting!! I blow off the court the ones like her,her game style is not a problem for me.

I'd kick your ass too.

The Jabberwock
Jul 31st, 2006, 10:17 AM
DIE, threadstarter.

Smashnova would moonball you off the fucken court so bad, that you'd be crying to your mother.

Bullshitting!! I blow off the court the ones like her,her game style is not a problem for me.

I'd kick your ass too.

Relax guys! This is just a game!

Anyway, Anna is a great person and a great athlete. :worship:

In addition, she brings some hope to the short people, wherever they are... :wavey:

Jakeev
Jul 31st, 2006, 11:57 AM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.

Well let's see if you were 5-1 or 5-2 but was fit and talented enough to win lower Tier tennis tournaments wouldn't that make you special?

The girl is doing the best she can for her lack of size and power. Give her the props she deserves instead of downplaying her accomplishments.

markhingis
Jul 31st, 2006, 01:40 PM
Ok,let it be-she's the greatest of the smallest tennis players!
R u satisfied?
Let's finish the thread.

thrust
Jul 31st, 2006, 02:17 PM
She is smart enough to realize her limitations. I am sure she wins more money doing well in the lower tier tournaments than she would by just playing tier 1 and 2 tournaments. Good for her!

dizoo
Jul 31st, 2006, 03:55 PM
there are players that won't even get the amount of titles she has...
i mean...i don't like her... but she knows she's not a top player...so she doesn't try to win titles for example in Stanford...she plays much better on clay...that's why she's playing there...it's nothing special...but she's no crap

Jakeev
Jul 31st, 2006, 09:43 PM
Ok,let it be-she's the greatest of the smallest tennis players!
R u satisfied?
Let's finish the thread.

Uh than why start a thread where you know people aren't gonna agree with you?

spencercarlos
Jul 31st, 2006, 09:55 PM
I don't understand such a fascination of Anna.She's been doing well in all finals-it's true,but if she had to face any top10 rival,she would lose.
Or if in that finals stood Martina,Lindsay,WS or any top10 they'd won them too.
Logical...

Altough she's 12/12 in finals,her winning percentage on Tour is about 56%.Such a low score!! She's won 100 matches more than lost.Is that sth to admire?!

She's dominant at tiers III and IV.
I can understand your point, but there you have the big difference between top tier winners and winners of Tier III and below titles.
This has been my fight with Conchita lovers :p Sabatini has 7 more Tier II and above titles while Conchita has 13 more Tier III and below. Some prefer quantity, some prefer quality, this is an endless discussion.

Steffica Greles
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:26 AM
It's something to admire. She's like the Queen of the B-list. Which ironically is the same aspiration that Serena has for her acting career!

:lol:

frenchie
Aug 1st, 2006, 10:27 AM
What is Anna's best win in terms of rankings????

lk89
Aug 1st, 2006, 11:00 AM
Maybe Shes the Tennis version of Kathy Griffin. A D-List Tennis Player.

Jakeev
Aug 1st, 2006, 12:25 PM
Maybe Shes the Tennis version of Kathy Griffin. A D-List Tennis Player.

:smash: one of your first posts and it already gets nomination for dumb-ass post of the year sheesh.:rolleyes:

Hoon
Aug 3rd, 2006, 04:47 AM
Winning 12 consecutive finals is definitely a great achievement. But her record in GS tournaments and Tier 1's and Tier 2's, is rather interesting.

GS played : 45 (30 wins, 45 losses)
GS 1st Round losses : 26 out of 45
GS QF appearance : 0 (0-2 in 4th Rounds)

Tier 1 played : 56 (54 wins, 55 losses, withdrew during one once)
Tier 1 1st Match Losses : 23 out of 56
Tier 1 Finals : 0
Tier 1 SF : 2 (2002 Berlin, 2003 Moscow)
Tier 1 QF : 2
Tier 1 Last 16 : 15
Tier 1 Last 32 : 19
Tier 1 Last 64 : 16
Tier 1 Last 128 : 3

Tier 2 played : 51 (33 wins, 51 losses)
Tier 2 1st Match Losses : 29 out of 51
Tier 2 Finals : 0
Tier 2 SF : 0
Tier 2 QF : 10
Tier 2 Last 16: 10
Tier 2 Last 32: 27
Tier 2 Last 64: 4

WTA Championships : 0-1 (2002)

In Hannover in 2000, made quarterfinals in a tournament of Tier 2 or bigger for 1st time on 34th try.

I think this stats is enough to regard her as queen of Tier 3 and 4, like the thread starter did. I am not a fan of Anna, but would be happy if she finally grabbed a title of Tier 2 tournament after all.