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Albireo
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:03 AM
There have been a lot of discussions here about how to fix what is perceived to be an ailing sport. One of the tactics discussed is to market the players better, so that the public gets to know them better-- and will be more inclined to follow them-- as individuals.

Lately, the discussions involve (in part) getting players healthy and making them honor their commitments, so that tournaments don't get slammed when players pull out. The damage is done, ironically, when the popular players-- the ones the public knows-- don't play; ticket sales can fall off if the top two players in a tournament don't make it (for whatever reason) or even show up and lose early. It's only natural for the public to want to see the big-name players; we do it ourselves here on the forum. How often have posters commented that they're no longer interested in a tournament because their favorite players lost or didn't play?

So here's the question: if all of the players you follow closely skip a tournament or lose early, do you still follow the results of that tournament? (I'm not talking about Tier XVI tournaments; I'm talking about, say, Tier III and up.) Does the game interest you even when the players who do so aren't in it?

(There are only two choices for a reason. Be honest.)

TomTennis
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:06 AM
not really.

If Venus and Serena are not playing, then I usuaslly dont watch it. :sad: Its a bit sad but then again I only like to see them win :devil:

IceHock
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:07 AM
Yeah I still follow it because I love tennis,not just the players.Me and tennis are like me and getting drunk,we are tight.

terjw
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:26 AM
Definitely player - Kim. I mean I may watch later rounds if she's beaten. I certainly watch the Wimbledon final - but I do lose a lot of interest in the tournament. What I don't do is create thread after thread whining on about how the tournament is boring, the worst ever - no quality, and holds no interest like some Williams fans did at RG and Wimbledon after Vee got beaten.

I think there's room for all types of fan though. I think some pure tennis fans who watch because of the game look down on us pure player supporters as inferior.

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:35 AM
yeah i definitely continue to follow tennis. i mean, put it this way, mary has been out since february and ive still followed practically every tournament since then. i love to watch players i have never seen before and find new players i like but the main reason for continuing to follow the tour is that i love tennis - whether my favourites are playing or not :)

Wiggly
Jul 30th, 2006, 01:44 AM
When Iveta and Daniela lost (2nd round for Iveta :tape: ), I definetely lost interest in the tournament but will knows results but like, no excitement.

So I follow Iveta and Daniela, not the game.

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:02 AM
Yes, I watch when my non-faves play, but not if it's boring tennis (but then I don't watch it when it's a boring match that my faves play).

hurricanejeanne
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:08 AM
I follow the sport mainly for my favorite player, Lindsay, who has been absent for months now. But where I don't have interest in the results of these tournaments I still watch them because I love the sport. However, it's touchy as the emotional investment of having someone to cheer for throughout a tournament isn't there. Its give and take.

Brooklyn90
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:11 AM
yes

Wannabeknowitall
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:16 AM
I love the game of tennis.
My favorite player isn't paying right now [Lindsay] but I'm curious as to how the lately apathetic Kim will defend her points this summer.
I check the scores for the smaller tournis as well and find new favorites to watch.
I can't wait to see the Forest Hills tourni in a couple of weeks.

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:25 AM
There is no game without the players, so I can't answer this question. :shrug:

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:26 AM
There is no game without the players, so I can't answer this question. :shrug:

You are nitpicking. Replace "players" with "favourites". Unless that is what you meant. :p

SelesFan70
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:26 AM
The game for sure!

kiwifan
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:29 AM
Depends...

I'm watching Golovin and Schnyder right now, its a pretty good match so far but its no big deal :shrug:

I'll watch anyone if its a Slam but regular tennis, with no real rooting interest...

... I guess it depends on what else is on TV and how good looking the players are.
;)

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:32 AM
You are nitpicking. Replace "players" with "favourites". Unless that is what you meant. :p
Unless it's someone I really want to see in person, I'd rather spend a Saturday or Sunday afternoon playing tennis than watching tennis.

SpikeyAidanm
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:33 AM
The Game.

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:39 AM
I have a silly question to ask: how do you follow the game without following the players?

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:40 AM
I have a silly question to ask: how do you follow the game without following the players?

Damn, you are nitpicking again. :p

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:41 AM
I have a silly question to ask: how do you follow the game without following the players?

he means do you follow only certain players or the whole game

i think you know he means that you nit picker! :p

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:46 AM
he means do you follow only certain players or the whole game

i think you know he means that you nit picker! :p
By following any one tennis player, you are, by definition, following tennis. That's why I can't answer this question.

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:47 AM
By following any one tennis player, you are, by definition, following tennis. That's why I can't answer this question.

Stop nitpicking!!! :fiery: :p You don't, unless you happen to believe that tennis is just that player. ;) Drooling at Maria's ass (sorry Maria :o) isn't being a fan of tennis. :o

But then you could argue that your faves are the only ones who play interesting tennis. :o

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:50 AM
By following any one tennis player, you are, by definition, following tennis. That's why I can't answer this question.
no thats not true. if you are following only one tennis player, you are only following a small portion of the game. what this thread is trying to ask is - do you follow a small portion of the game (just the game of your favourite players) or the whole game (other players besides your faves)

clear enough yet...:p

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:51 AM
no thats not true. if you are following only one tennis player, you are only following a small portion of the game. what this thread is trying to ask is - do you follow a small portion of the game (just the game of your favourite players) or the whole game (other players besides your faves)

clear enough yet...:p

I think he believes his fave players are the game, hence trouble with the question. :p ;)

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:52 AM
I think he believes his fave players are the game, hence trouble with the question. :p ;)

well saying "my favourite players are the game" pretty much answers the question - i only follow my faves! :lol: because saying that is pretty much refusing to acknowledge the rest of the game

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:54 AM
well saying "my favourite players are the game" pretty much answers the question - i only follow my faves! :lol: because saying that is pretty much refusing to acknowledge the rest of the game

That's why he doesn;t understand the question - how could there be tennis without his faves? ;)

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:56 AM
That's why he doesn;t understand the question - how could there be tennis without his faves? ;)
ok... now im getting confused :lol:

if all his faves retired there would still be tennis.

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 03:58 AM
no thats not true. if you are following only one tennis player, you are only following a small portion of the game. what this thread is trying to ask is - do you follow a small portion of the game (just the game of your favourite players) or the whole game (other players besides your faves)

clear enough yet...:p
Like I said, unless it's someone I really want to see in person (James Blake and Serena Williams, for instance), I'll spend my Saturday and/or Sunday afternoons playing the game instead of watching it. That's my definition of a "real" tennis fan.

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:02 AM
ok... now im getting confused :lol:

if all his faves retired there would still be tennis.

But not to him... and that is why he keeps asking how could there be tennis withouth the players. ;) Do you understand now? ;)

Albireo
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:08 AM
By following any one tennis player, you are, by definition, following tennis. That's why I can't answer this question.

The game is bigger than the players.

Infiniti2001
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:08 AM
Definitely player - Kim. I mean I may watch later rounds if she's beaten. I certainly watch the Wimbledon final - but I do lose a lot of interest in the tournament. What I don't do is create thread after thread whining on about how the tournament is boring, the worst ever - no quality, and holds no interest like some Williams fans did at RG and Wimbledon after Vee got beaten.

I think there's room for all types of fan though. I think some pure tennis fans who watch because of the game look down on us pure player supporters as inferior.

You never miss an opportunity to expess your disdain for Venus Williams and or her fans :rolleyes: Meanwhile, I've been on this board long enough to testify that many fan bases do the same . Who can forget the anti -Williams threads?

Topic related: As much as I enjoy following my fav, I love following the game more :shrug:

Paul.
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:11 AM
But not to him... and that is why he keeps asking how could there be tennis withouth the players. ;) Do you understand now? ;)
yeah think so but it sounds a bit weird :lol:

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:11 AM
The game is bigger than the players.

But not to him. :haha:

Havok
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:14 AM
Obvbiously I follow events much more closely when my favorite players are taking part in it, but I still follow the game even if events don't include my favorites. Shitty Tier III/IV/V events, though, I can't follow whatsoever and don't care about :help:.

darrinbaker00
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:17 AM
But not to him... and that is why he keeps asking how could there be tennis withouth the players. ;) Do you understand now? ;)
I kept watching after Arthur Ashe retired. I kept watching after Bjorn Borg retired. I kept watching after Yannick Noah retired. I kept watching after Billie Jean King retired. I kept watching after Martina Navratilova retired the first time. I kept watching after Zina Garrison retired. I kept watching after Boris Becker retired. I kept watching after Pete Sampras retired. I kept watching after Michael Chang retired. I will keep watching after Andre Agassi retires, and I will keep watching after both Williams sisters retire. I love this game, and I will continue to play this game as long as my body will allow me to, but the game--ANY game--cannot exist without the players. If you're following a player, you're following the game.

Lulu.
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Both. Im way more interested if Serena is playing but if she isnt I still follow the tournaments because I have back up favorites :)

cellophane
Jul 30th, 2006, 04:19 AM
I kept watching after Arthur Ashe retired. I kept watching after Bjorn Borg retired. I kept watching after Yannick Noah retired. I kept watching after Billie Jean King retired. I kept watching after Martina Navratilova retired the first time. I kept watching after Zina Garrison retired. I kept watching after Boris Becker retired. I kept watching after Pete Sampras retired. I kept watching after Michael Chang retired. I will keep watching after Andre Agassi retires, and I will keep watching after both Williams sisters retire. I love this game, and I will continue to play this game as long as my body will allow me to, but the game--ANY game--cannot exist without the players. If you're following a player, you're following the game.

I'm just kidding, but you are still nitpicking. I mean. God. :haha: