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Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 04:47 PM
Given what is going on in The Lebanon, I was wondering if there are still any Arab countries with Jewish citizens? I read a year or so ago that Iran still has a very small population of Jewish citizens who live in remote areas. But I'm not sure if this is still the case. I'm not trying to be provocative, but just very interested to know.

I know Turkey (which is not an Arab country) had/has synagogues, but given any religion other than Islam is banned in Saudi Arabia I was wondering if there are synagogues in other Arab countries? I understand that there is/were churches in Iraq and possibly even Syria. But the position of Jewish citizens must be precarious in other Arab countries?

Yasmine
Jul 16th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Morroco has a good jewish community;)

BUBI
Jul 16th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Iran is not an arab country!

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 05:56 PM
Iran is not an arab country!
Isn't it? I thought it was! What is Iran classed as then?

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Morroco has a good jewish community;)
Thank you. Good to know.

azdaja
Jul 16th, 2006, 05:59 PM
Given what is going on in The Lebanon, I was wondering if there are still any Arab countries with Jewish citizens? I read a year or so ago that Iran still has a very small population of Jewish citizens who live in remote areas. But I'm not sure if this is still the case. I'm not trying to be provocative, but just very interested to know.

I know Turkey (which is not an Arab country) had/has synagogues, but given any religion other than Islam is banned in Saudi Arabia I was wondering if there are synagogues in other Arab countries? I understand that there is/were churches in Iraq and possibly even Syria. But the position of Jewish citizens must be precarious in other Arab countries?
iran is not an arab country and most jews in iran actually live in urban areas, especially in the capital. islam is supposed to be tolerant towards judaism and christianity, because all 3 are considered abrahamic religions. that does not mean everything's fine, of course. there are millions of christians in arabic countries (they make up 10% of the population of egypt, for example). but there was a huge exodus of jews from arab countries after the conflict in palestine started in 1948.

tks
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Morroco has a good jewish community;)
Morroco had a good jewish community :)
my father family came from morroco (via france).
there is still some little jewish communities in some arab countries.

azdaja
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:01 PM
Isn't it? I thought it was! What is Iran classed as then?
indo-eurpean. iranians speak farsi, which is an indo-european language.

BUBI
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:02 PM
Isn't it? I thought it was! What is Iran classed as then?
From Wikipedia:

The major ethnic groups and minorities include the Persians (51%), Azeris (24%), Gilaki and Mazandarani (8%), Kurds (7%), Arabs (3%), Baluchi (2%), Lurs (2%), Turkmens (2%), Qashqai, Armenians, Persian Jews, Georgians, Assyrians, Circassians, Tats, Pashtuns and others (1%)

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:06 PM
indo-eurpean. iranians speak farsi, which is an indo-european language.
Thank you. We're not taught any of this at school in the UK, and I find it fascinating.

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:11 PM
Morroco had a good jewish community :)
my father family came from morroco (via france).
there is still some little jewish communities in some arab countries.
Thank you. I read very recently that Israel has one of the highest educated population on the planet per capita because so many people, including the most highly educated, fled to Israel at various times for various reasons. I would love to visit just to see it and meet people.

tks
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:22 PM
Thank you. I read very recently that Israel has one of the highest educated population on the planet per capita because so many people, including the most highly educated, fled to Israel at various times for various reasons. I would love to visit just to see it and meet people.
you welcome. :wavey:
you welcome to visit us, we have a wonderful country with so many beautiful places and cities (Jerusalem , Tel Aviv, Haifa, Eilat, and many others)
and with amazingly warm peoples that loves to host visitors.
we just need some quiet here. :sad:

Yasmine
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:24 PM
Morroco had a good jewish community :)
my father family came from morroco (via france).
there is still some little jewish communities in some arab countries.
there is still an important jewish community in Morroco (I'm half morrocan so i'm not saying this just without knowing the country;))

tks
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:31 PM
there is still an important jewish community in Morroco (I'm half morrocan so i'm not saying this just without knowing the country;))
yeah I know, but the jewish community knew batter days in morroco.
I also have some morrocan part in me (my granfather from mugador, and garnmother from casablanca) :)

Yasmine
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:34 PM
yeah I know, but the jewish community knew batter days in morroco.
I also have some morrocan part in me (my granfather from mugador, and garnmother from casablanca) :)
Yes i'm sure;)
oh ok :D All my dad's family is from Fes :cool:

pla
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:25 PM
Thank you. We're not taught any of this at school in the UK, and I find it fascinating.

Wow, this is quite amazing. I mean, I guess you had some basic lessons about the Persian Empire and for the region as a whole latter. But I find amazing that it's not covered more in details because if you learn about it, you'll know what led to all those conflicts. I don't say it's your fault, or anything but wel.. it's quite strange that a country, as the UK, which is one between the most important actors in the region does not teach its youth about that.

And btw, to come back to the subject, the history of the Jewish communities around the World is very interesting.

Chris 84
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:31 PM
Wow, this is quite amazing. I mean, I guess you had some basic lessons about the Persian Empire and for the region as a whole latter. But I find amazing that it's not covered more in details because if you learn about it, you'll know what led to all those conflicts. I don't say it's your fault, or anything but wel.. it's quite strange that a country, as the UK, which is one between the most important actors in the region does not teach its youth about that.

And btw, to come back to the subject, the history of the Jewish communities around the World is very interesting.

Don't be silly Plamena.....if the Brits taught us stuff that mattered, then the British citizens might get cleverer than those in power really want us to be :p

btw, the UK doesn't have one single education system....Scotland has an entirely seperate one from England and Wales ;)

*JR*
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:33 PM
The Ba'hai's are the most opressed religious minority in Iran, even though their faith specifically requires deference to governmental authorities. Why? Because their great "sin" is to embrace all faiths equally. Thus lacking even the so-called "legitimacy" of being another monotheistic faith that traces its roots to Abraham (known by Muslims as Ibrahim).

pla
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:34 PM
Don't be silly Plamena.....if the Brits taught us stuff that mattered, then the British citizens might get cleverer than those in power really want us to be :p

btw, the UK doesn't have one single education system....Scotland has an entirely seperate one from England and Wales ;)

I tend to be sometimes quite a bit optimistic about human nature ;) (UK or not, it's almost the same everywhere :) ). You know me ;)

I didn't knew this, thanks for clearing this matter :wavey: And do you in Scotland learn about the region and the impact the British Empire had on it? And of course, the Jewish communities/Israel subject?

Chris 84
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:37 PM
I tend to be sometimes quite a bit optimistic about human nature ;) (UK or not, it's almost the same everywhere :) ). You know me ;)

I didn't knew this, thanks for clearing this matter :wavey: And do you in Scotland learn about the region and the impact the British Empire had on it? And of course, the Jewish communities/Israel subject?

No, we don't.

I did histroy to the most advanced level that you can go to in school, and we learnt NOTHING of the British Empire, and NOTHING about our own history, or the history of Ireland where so many of us were originally from.

I can tell you everything you want to know about Germany 1815-1945, but nothing about my own country (other than what I learned outwith school, of course) :retard:

pla
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:40 PM
No, we don't.

I did histroy to the most advanced level that you can go to in school, and we learnt NOTHING of the British Empire, and NOTHING about our own history, or the history of Ireland where so many of us were originally from.

I can tell you everything you want to know about Germany 1815-1945, but nothing about my own country (other than what I learned outwith school, of course) :retard:

Wow, that's something I didn't expect. I'll interested to know more and one day, if you feel like it (I don't want to highjack this thread without it's starter explicitly wanted it ;) ) you can tell me about it in the Mafia :wavey:

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:43 PM
No, we don't.

I did histroy to the most advanced level that you can go to in school, and we learnt NOTHING of the British Empire, and NOTHING about our own history, or the history of Ireland where so many of us were originally from.

I can tell you everything you want to know about Germany 1815-1945, but nothing about my own country (other than what I learned outwith school, of course) :retard:
Exactly. You want to know about Elizabeth 1? Come to a UK school! You want to know about Nazis? Come to the UK. You want to know about how WONDERFUL Queen Victoria (repressed cow) was? Come to the UK. You want to know about anything else, no chance!

*JR*
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:44 PM
No, we don't.

I did histroy to the most advanced level that you can go to in school, and we learnt NOTHING of the British Empire, and NOTHING about our own history, or the history of Ireland where so many of us were originally from.

I can tell you everything you want to know about Germany 1815-1945, but nothing about my own country (other than what I learned outwith school, of course) :retard:
If they taught you too much about (still partially occupied) Ireland, you might rally around a modern day Robert the Bruce (or Sean Connery) ;) and form an SRA (Scottish Republican Army). :eek:

pla
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:48 PM
Morroco has a good jewish community;)

Btw, isn't Gad- a famous one-man-show and movie actor, from the Marrocan Jewish minority?

I have to spread some rep :sad: Yas, you're too good and I can't follow the rythm ;)

Chris 84
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:50 PM
If they taught you too much about (still partially occupied) Ireland, you might rally around a modern day Robert the Bruce (or Sean Connery) ;) and form an SRA (Scottish Republican Army). :eek:

There are already many IRA-Glasgow and UVF-Glasgow links ;)

Talula
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:52 PM
If they taught you too much about (still partially occupied) Ireland, you might rally around a modern day Robert the Bruce (or Sean Connery) ;) and form an SRA (Scottish Republican Army). :eek:
Sean - lives in Spain playing golf, whinges that he wants a title from Her Maj, beats his wives and bits on the side - Connery? Pick another example m8!

Chris 84
Jul 16th, 2006, 08:54 PM
Sean - lives in Spain playing golf, whinges that he wants a title from Her Maj, beats his wives and bits on the side - Connery? Pick another example m8!

Connery isn't my fave person either....he whines and moans about an independent Scotland, and although I agree with him, he's a total hypocrite. He's a tax exile :rolleyes:

Yasmine
Jul 16th, 2006, 09:00 PM
Btw, isn't Gad- a famous one-man-show and movie actor, from the Marrocan Jewish minority?

I have to spread some rep :sad: Yas, you're too good and I can't follow the rythm ;)
Gad Elmaleh is fantastic! :devil: a real good overview of the morrocan (jewish and non jewish) society there! :cool:

pla
Jul 16th, 2006, 09:22 PM
Gad Elmaleh is fantastic! :devil: a real good overview of the morrocan (jewish and non jewish) society there! :cool:

Yeah, he's great :D And he adores Marroco :angel:

Scotso
Jul 16th, 2006, 10:39 PM
The Ba'hai's are the most opressed religious minority in Iran, even though their faith specifically requires deference to governmental authorities. Why? Because their great "sin" is to embrace all faiths equally. Thus lacking even the so-called "legitimacy" of being another monotheistic faith that traces its roots to Abraham (known by Muslims as Ibrahim).

It's estimated that thousands of Baha'is have been murdered by the Iranian government. It's terrible, and the international community does nothing about it.

Scotso
Jul 16th, 2006, 10:39 PM
I'll tell you one thing, Muslims are treated better in Israel than Jews are treated in Muslim countries.

wta_zuperfann
Jul 16th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Iran means "land of Aryans"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan


the term "Aryan" was usurped by the Nazis but their use has no basis in truth

wta_zuperfann
Jul 16th, 2006, 10:46 PM
Many Jews in the Middle East or Central Asia are Mizrahi:

http://www.answers.com/topic/mizrahi-jews


While most Jews from Northwest Africa, Turkey, and Eastern Europe are of Spanish origin and are called Sephardic:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sephardi


Sepharad is the ancient Hebraic word for España or Spain.

wta_zuperfann
Jul 16th, 2006, 10:56 PM
"it is estimated that thousands of Baha'is have been murdered by Iran"


According to the Baha'is the number is 200*, not thousands as you believe. While there certainly is no excuse for selective prosecution, it must be borne in mind that Baha'is claim to be pacifists but they supported the Shah's regime during its many years of brutal persecutions.


As for Jews living in Arab or Aryan lands, under Koranic law Jews are recognized as children of the Book (that is, the Bible) as are Christians. This is why they have lived in relative peace compared to Ashkenaz Jews who were persecuted in Russia and in Germany and were butchered by the millions.




* http://news.bahai.org/story/450

Scotso
Jul 17th, 2006, 02:50 AM
Dude. 200.... 2000.... 200000.... wtf does it matter? I don't see why people are so fucking obsessed with numbers. They murder innocent people and nothing is done.

Why are you ALWAYS defending Iran?

wta_zuperfann
Jul 17th, 2006, 03:43 AM
I don't see why people are so fucking obsessed with numbers. They murder innocent people and nothing is done.



Why did you bring up a patently false number in the first place? It turns out that it is you who is obsessed with a number.


Why defend Iran?

I am defending the truth.



You use the Mexican flag as part of your avatar --- why don't you concern yourself with the deaths of Tzotzil Indians whose numbers exceed the amount of Baha'is in Iran? Why do you suppose that the world conveniently ignores the deaths of so many Native Americans in Mexico and Central America such as the over 100,000 Ixils who were murdered by Reagan and John Negroponte?

PointBlank
Jul 17th, 2006, 04:39 AM
Jordan has a pretty okay amount of Jews, mostly in the capital.

PointBlank
Jul 17th, 2006, 04:41 AM
Thank you. I read very recently that Israel has one of the highest educated population on the planet per capita because so many people, including the most highly educated, fled to Israel at various times for various reasons. I would love to visit just to see it and meet people.

We are some pretty smart people. :p

Volcana
Jul 17th, 2006, 06:29 AM
Dude. 200.... 2000.... 200000.... wtf does it matter?wtf does it matter? You. Can. Not. be, Serious.

200 is cause for 'official condemnation'. 200000 is a reason to go to war (if the 200000 dead are white). 200 is a crime. 200000 is genocide (if the 200000 dead are white).

Look aound the world. Do your want your country's blood and treasure used to stop every murder of 200 people any country chooses to perpetrate? I don't. The whole world would have declare war on the USA over Iraq. The numbers sure as hell matter. If youhave any relatives in the infantry, ask them if it matters.

Sam L
Jul 17th, 2006, 08:47 AM
wtf does it matter? You. Can. Not. be, Serious.

200 is cause for 'official condemnation'. 200000 is a reason to go to war (if the 200000 dead are white). 200 is a crime. 200000 is genocide (if the 200000 dead are white).

Look aound the world. Do your want your country's blood and treasure used to stop every murder of 200 people any country chooses to perpetrate? I don't. The whole world would have declare war on the USA over Iraq. The numbers sure as hell matter. If youhave any relatives in the infantry, ask them if it matters.
Stop pretending that you actually care about the soldiers' lives. If you do, do something worthwhile that will help them. I, for example, intend to become a defence force nurse when I can. Instead of just whining.

jmd
Jul 17th, 2006, 01:40 PM
Turkey, Tunisia, Uzbekistan

Zummi
Jul 17th, 2006, 02:19 PM
Iran, Turkey, Uzbekistan etc. are not Arab countries.

The Jewish Virtual Library has an excellent collection on this subject. Morocco is the Arab country with the most number of Jewish citizens today, followed by Tunisia and Yemen. There are also Jewish communities in Bahrain, Algeria, Egypt, Lebanon, Syria and Iraq. The last Libyan Jew died in 2002.

Here are a few helpful links from the Jewish Virtual Library:

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/algjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/tunisjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/morocjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/egjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/libyajews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/yemenjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/vjw/bahrain.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/iraqijews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/lebjews.html
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/anti-semitism/syrianjews.html

wta_zuperfann
Jul 18th, 2006, 02:25 AM
200 is cause for 'official condemnation'. 200000 is a reason to go to war (if the 200000 dead are white). 200 is a crime. 200000 is genocide (if the 200000 dead are white).


Bingo! The absolute truth.