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Epigone
Jul 15th, 2006, 06:54 PM
I thought I'd make a thread for fans of opera :shout:

I hope that this can turn into a lively discussion about this wonderfully expressive art :angel:

Feel free to add links to your favourite operas/performers and discuss them :cool:

I'm posting links to pics and videos of the Russian soprano Anna Netrebko. She has an amazing voice and puts youthful energy into her performances :D

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"Libiamo, ne' lieti calici (Brindisi)" from Verdi's La Traviata - performed by Anna Netrebko and Marcelo Alvarez
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5M1u3VMi410)

Anna Netrebko and Rolando Villazón being interviewed
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ul9SaIVh5U)

Reuchlin
Jul 15th, 2006, 06:56 PM
http://www.malabar.net/operaphotos/pag-sar/slides/Pagliacci.jpg

Need I say more? :worship: :worship:

SloKid
Jul 15th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Nice idea Martin! :yeah:

Thank god you finally put it out there. :help: ;)

She is a nice singer, good looker too. :p

Chris 84
Jul 15th, 2006, 07:11 PM
No prizes for guessing why you like her, Martin :hearts: :devil:

Epigone
Jul 15th, 2006, 08:13 PM
Nice idea Martin! :yeah:Thanks :p
Thank god you finally put it out there. :help: ;)How many hours did it take me? :oShe is a nice singer, good looker too. :pShe is indeed :angel:

Who do you like? :D

SloKid
Jul 15th, 2006, 08:15 PM
Thanks :p
You're welcome :p
How many hours did it take me? :o
A lot. :help:
We started talking about it like 2 days ago. :unsure:
Who/which operas do you like? :cool:
Verdi's my main man. :cool:

Kenny
Jul 15th, 2006, 09:11 PM
The performance you posted was amazing. Seriously.. I thank you so much for posting it!!!

:D

Epigone
Jul 16th, 2006, 12:34 AM
The performance you posted was amazing. Seriously.. I thank you so much for posting it!!!

:DNo problem :)

I want people to see that opera doesn't have to be something that's boring :dance:

VivalaSeles
Jul 16th, 2006, 12:59 AM
Youtube is full of great stuff for the opera lover :D I'm a Verdi, Bellini, Donizetti, Rossini, Tchaikovsky and Rimsky man :D A Callas, Gobbi and Horne lover :D Do you use rapidshare?

Epigone
Jul 16th, 2006, 06:12 AM
Youtube is full of great stuff for the opera lover :D I'm a Verdi, Bellini, Donizetti, Rossini, Tchaikovsky and Rimsky man :D A Callas, Gobbi and Horne lover :D A nice selection :worship:
Do you use rapidshare?I've used Rapidshare, but I'm not sure about the best place to find links :scratch:

Munich
Jul 17th, 2006, 09:20 AM
It is said that the people who like opera are very complicated and they always hide their emotion, feelings inside them and it's very difficult for the others to understand them :shrug: :tape: Is it right? :scratch:
Ich habe keine Ahnung about opera :tape:

controlfreak
Jul 17th, 2006, 10:36 AM
I love opera. Everyone else seems to go on about firefox, but they have no idea that opera first offered tabbed browsing many years ago!

richie boy
Jul 17th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Youtube is full of great stuff for the opera lover :D I'm a Verdi, Bellini, Donizetti, Rossini, Tchaikovsky and Rimsky man :D A Callas, Gobbi and Horne lover :D Do you use rapidshare?

Here are some of my Youtube Opera faves, no pretty people just great singing :worship:

immaculate and stylish Alfredo Kraus from The Pearl Fishers -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM40jaSlatE

thrilling Giuseppe Di Stefano nails the big aria from Pagliacci -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqEaf3BBWQM

tear-jerking Christine Gallardo-Domas sings "Senza Mama" by Pucinni -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_mU_jx6mTJ8

big Pav pings out "Nessun Dorma" from the three tenors concert -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VATmgtmR5o4

Placido Domingo sings the Star Spangled Banner (you won't hear it done better!!!!!!) -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Cnia7DVhmM

:wavey:

Yasmine
Jul 18th, 2006, 10:56 PM
:woohoo: brilliant thread! :worship: have had the chance to go and see some operas on stage and I loved them :banana:

SloKid
Jul 26th, 2006, 02:04 PM
Anna Netrebko will perform tonight as Susanna in Mozart's The Marriage of Figaro at the Salzburg summer festival. :)

It will be broadcasted live on Austrian TV and radio and Slovenian radio as well.

Epigone
Jul 26th, 2006, 02:16 PM
It is said that the people who like opera are very complicated and they always hide their emotion, feelings inside them and it's very difficult for the others to understand them :shrug: :tape: Is it right? :scratch:OMG, that sounds like me :tape: :unsure:

Epigone
Jul 26th, 2006, 02:27 PM
Anna Netrebko will perform tonight as Susanna in Mozart's The Marriage of Figaro at the Salzburg summer festival. :)

It will be broadcasted live on Austrian TV and radio and Slovenian radio as well.Here (http://www.salzburgfestival.at/home_e.php?lang=2) is the festival website. It's gonna be very impressive :hearts:

BTW, Anna Nebtrebko was recently granted Austrian citizenship (http://www.metoperafamily.org/operanews/news/pressrelease.aspx?id=1229), but will retain her Russian passport.

Helen Lawson
Jul 26th, 2006, 03:03 PM
I saw a performance of Turandot once that blew me away and I see it whenever I can now and have the music. Plus, it's funny as hell, at least I think so, so maybe that appealed to me. Other than Turandot, I usually loathe the opera.

alfajeffster
Jul 26th, 2006, 04:34 PM
I was first turned on to opera 15 years ago by an ex-roommate in San Francisco. He loved it, and played a double-record recording of Joan Sutherland's music, and I loved it- what a crystalline and beautiful voice. He also had some Maria Callas, but I didn't care for her nearly as much. Since then, I really haven't listened to much, outside of the Three Tenors, and a few Pavarotti and Andrea Bocelli concerts which were televised here in the states.

Great thread!

Epigone
Jul 26th, 2006, 06:24 PM
I hope this works :unsure:

Here (http://oe1.orf.at/konsole_live.html) is a live stream of The Marriage of Figaro from the Salzburg Festival

It's great :drool:

Enjoy! :D

Kenny
Jul 26th, 2006, 10:00 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U81reNXUxc
Kristin Chenoweth performing on PBS..

There's no video though..?? I don't get it. lol Oh well. It's .mov does that affect it?

Anyways, it's the VOCALS I want you to hear. :D

Now that I post it.. I notice there are SOO MANY better clips on YouTube of Kristin.. lol

Dunlop1
Jul 26th, 2006, 11:13 PM
I am the HUGEST opera buff here, don't even try. Gallardo-Domas's Senza Mamma was good but if you want to hear a senza mamma that just makes you break down and cry listen to Leontyne Price.
WOW!!!! That final pianissimo high A is just :worship: Brava Diva!
Interestingly enough, in the opera (Suor Angelica) it is the principessa that is my favourite character. She is SO COLD!!! lol. I heard this mezzo soprano sing the role like she was made of evil itself.

Dunlop1
Jul 26th, 2006, 11:15 PM
Anna netrebko is freaking hot and her perfomances with Rolando Villazon are electric. I saw a bit of their Romeo and Juliet (Gounod). Villazon's voice is pure gold. Too good. Such a virile tenor. Netrebko's voice is rather average for my taste but she makes up for it with stage prescence and looks.

Kenny
Jul 28th, 2006, 07:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3U81reNXUxc
Kristin Chenoweth performing on PBS..

There's no video though..?? I don't get it. lol Oh well. It's .mov does that affect it?

Anyways, it's the VOCALS I want you to hear. :D

Now that I post it.. I notice there are SOO MANY better clips on YouTube of Kristin.. lol

http://www.megaupload.com/?d=OXQCC8QL

The ACTUAL video!

Barrie_Dude
Jul 28th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Verdi/Rigoletto!

Epigone
Aug 6th, 2006, 09:51 PM
"Song to the Moon" from Dvořák's Rusalka (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rusalka_%28opera%29), performed by Anna Netrebko

It's presented like a regular music video, which I think is really effective :yeah:

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iLqXZHO45o)

Ellery
Aug 6th, 2006, 10:26 PM
I love Verdi :D

VivalaSeles
Aug 6th, 2006, 10:48 PM
Triumphal Scene from Aida - Mexico 1951 - The famous high E-flat [Callas as Aida] - Link at the end of post

Why is it famous?

1) Sheer volume: high E-flats, being such high notes, shouldn't be as loud. Callas's high E-flat here is heard over an entire orchestra playing loud, the chorus singing loud and the other soloists (mezzo, tenor, baritone, bass) singing loud as well.

2) Surprise effect: Aida sopranos shouldn't sing high E-flats, because Aida sopranos are supposed to be heavy, dramatic sopranos with good low notes and ranges that go as far as top C. High E-flats are supposed to be sung by lighter sopranos, with less good low notes. The fact that a soprano who sings Aida can throw such an enormous high E-flat is in itselft astonishing.

Warning: Of course it is not very stylish to throw an E-flat which is not even written on the score (not very good taste either), but Callas wanted to have the Mexican audience at her feet and that she achieved [plus she wanted to win the battle of the voices against tenor del Monaco]

http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 7th, 2006, 04:00 AM
bump :)

VivalaSeles
Aug 8th, 2006, 12:51 PM
bump :)

Epigone
Aug 8th, 2006, 04:04 PM
Triumphal Scene from Aida - Mexico 1951 - The famous high E-flat [Callas as Aida] - Link at the end of postThat note was :worship:

Thanks for posting it :wavey:

VivalaSeles
Aug 8th, 2006, 05:55 PM
That note was :worship:

Thanks for posting it :wavey:

You're welcome :wavey: It's perhaps the most famous note of 20th century opera :)

Dunlop1
Aug 8th, 2006, 07:39 PM
Triumphal Scene from Aida - Mexico 1951 - The famous high E-flat [Callas as Aida] - Link at the end of post

Why is it famous?

1) Sheer volume: high E-flats, being such high notes, shouldn't be as loud. Callas's high E-flat here is heard over an entire orchestra playing loud, the chorus singing loud and the other soloists (mezzo, tenor, baritone, bass) singing loud as well.

2) Surprise effect: Aida sopranos shouldn't sing high E-flats, because Aida sopranos are supposed to be heavy, dramatic sopranos with good low notes and ranges that go as far as top C. High E-flats are supposed to be sung by lighter sopranos, with less good low notes. The fact that a soprano who sings Aida can throw such an enormous high E-flat is in itselft astonishing.

Warning: Of course it is not very stylish to throw an E-flat which is not even written on the score (not very good taste either), but Callas wanted to have the Mexican audience at her feet and that she achieved [plus she wanted to win the battle of the voices against tenor del Monaco]

http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/28438854/Callas_-_Track_15.mp3.html)

I've heard there is a performance where Mario Del Monaco (the tenor playing Radames) joins her singing an Eflat at this point.
But that Callas Eflat is amazing.
I have the CD and the recording is not great but that Eflat is something else (even though it is more screamed than sung :tape: )

VivalaSeles
Aug 8th, 2006, 07:43 PM
I've heard there is a performance where Mario Del Monaco (the tenor playing Radames) joins her singing an Eflat at this point.
But that Callas Eflat is amazing.
I have the CD and the recording is not great but that Eflat is something else (even though it is more screamed than sung :tape: )

I doubt Mario del Monaco ever sang a non-falsetto E-flat in his life ;) I can't agree with your last statement: that E-flat to my ears is clearly sung, sung in full voice (E-flats are usually sung through head voice only). Plus, I think it was because of stunts like these that ultimately Callas's career wasn't as long as it could have been :sad: :sad:

Dunlop1
Aug 8th, 2006, 09:02 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0e_Y-2Ss4E&mode=related&search=
Joan Sutherland singing the cabaletta 'Ah Non Giunge' from Bellini's La Sonnambula.
Listen to this woman's FLAWLESS coloratura. I mean her scales are accurate as heck. Check it out. She is hitting every single 16th note and yet singing as such a fast tempo. The staccati of course is perfect, as are the top notes but listen to the effortless trill.
That is Joan at her best. That trill is like butter in her mouth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_CHqpWWUxA
Giulietta Simionato this mezzo soprano's chest voice is louder than some tenors high notes. This clip is kinda long and is basically a duet with the tenor but listen to her high Bflat at the end... :eek:
This is how Verdi should be sung!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcZDfdOPQag
The big man Luciano Pavarotti singing E lucevan le stelle. AMAZING vocalism.

Dunlop1
Aug 8th, 2006, 09:10 PM
I doubt Mario del Monaco ever sang a non-falsetto E-flat in his life ;) I can't agree with your last statement: that E-flat to my ears is clearly sung, sung in full voice (E-flats are usually sung through head voice only). Plus, I think it was because of stunts like these that ultimately Callas's career wasn't as long as it could have been :sad: :sad:

I know, MDM doesn't exactly have the type of tenor voice that would seem to have a high Eflat, but that is what they say. I will search and see if I can find a link for you.

And Callas is clearly pushing on that high E flat. The vibrato is so slow.
Still it is better than the high E flat she sang in the Bolero from Vespri Siciliani (Merce dilette amici). That was a disaster.

VivalaSeles
Aug 8th, 2006, 10:41 PM
And Callas is clearly pushing on that high E flat. The vibrato is so slow.
Still it is better than the high E flat she sang in the Bolero from Vespri Siciliani (Merce dilette amici). That was a disaster.

I don't really think she was. At that time, she was popping high E-flats one after the other without no trouble at all :D The high note from I Vespri Siciliani is a high E natural, which, unfortunately, was not successful, though she nailed it that same year in a concert, when singing in Italian "Où va la jeune Indoue" from Delibes's Lakmé :D

Kenny
Aug 11th, 2006, 08:03 AM
I doubt Mario del Monaco ever sang a non-falsetto E-flat in his life ;) I can't agree with your last statement: that E-flat to my ears is clearly sung, sung in full voice (E-flats are usually sung through head voice only). Plus, I think it was because of stunts like these that ultimately Callas's career wasn't as long as it could have been :sad: :sad:


That e-flat.. heaven. Seriously.. I loved it. Chills. That's all I can say, chills.

Kaiwhakahare
Aug 11th, 2006, 09:55 AM
Go Dame Kiri Te Kanawa and Dame Malvina Major!!!! Kiwi Chicks!

Big applause to Monseratt (sp) Caballe!

IceSkaTennisFan
Aug 11th, 2006, 03:42 PM
I like a little bit of opera. I'm a violist, but I occasionally get interested by an opera. Romantic to present day stuff is what usually interests me. All the stuff before...there is some interesting stuff, but it's usually more serving to the lyrics than to the music.

My favorite opera is Wozzeck. It's modern, but it's so accessible. My little 11 y/o brother even likes it and he claims he doesn't even like opera! Alban Berg really knew how to accessorize the old with the new techniques of the 20th century. I did a report last year on Wozzeck. It sure was lonnnnnng, but it was worth it. All those all-nighters :lol:

Oh yeah, and I love Angela Gheorghiu and of course Cecilia Bartoli for the weird faces they make when they sing :D

Kenny
Aug 20th, 2006, 03:59 PM
Bump. :)

Any more?

MisterQ
Aug 20th, 2006, 04:44 PM
I don't love opera for the sake of opera... if an opera isn't very interesting, I'm likely to become irritated. However, there are some operas which really move me: :banana:

Monteverdi: L'Orfeo
Purcell: Dido and Aeneus
Mozart: Don Giovanni, The Marriage of Figaro, well, most of them! ;)
Beethoven: Fidelio
Mussorgsky: Boris Godunov
Wagner: Tristan und Isolde, parts of the Ring and Parsifal
Debussy: Pelléas et Mélisande
Poulenc: Les mamelles de Tiresia (very funny)
Berg: Wozzeck
Shostakovich: The Nose, Lady MacBeth of Mtsensk
Stravinsky: Oedipus Rex
Gershwin: Porgy and Bess

:worship:

Kenny
Aug 22nd, 2006, 03:09 AM
I am in love with Maria Callas's voice.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 10:55 AM
I am in love with Maria Callas's voice.

Why??
The voice itself wasn't anything special. It was Callas, La Divina, the person her story, her drama, her great insight into the text that brought out the great works. But her voice in itself is quite ugly.

The horrid glottal attacks, the different 'voices' as she ascended the scale.
The only Callas I think is worth listening to is FAT Callas.
During those early days her voice was :worship:
When she lost that weight and started singing with Giuseppe Di Stefano the voice was horrid.

And sorry, that Aida Eflat is squealed, not to mention it's in bad taste. Verdi didn't write an E flat there for Aida for a reason. IT's out of character for Aida.
In her recording of Trovatore (I believe the one she did with GDS) she interpolates unwritten high notes everywhere like they are going out of style. I mean who needs to hear a High E flat at the end of 'Di tale amor'.
The conductor should have known better.

As for Voices, nobody eclipses Renata Tebaldi.
Listen to the 'Suicidio' from La Gioconda.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qz9pzyPASwI
I mean it is AWESOME! Huge Dramatic voice.

Here she is in a lighter role Mimi's 'Si mi chiamano Mimi"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncqWlxxFhvE
(with soave fanciulla duet with Jussi Bjorling = the most gorgeous tenor voice EVER!)

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:17 AM
I don't love opera for the sake of opera... if an opera isn't very interesting, I'm likely to become irritated. However, there are some operas which really move me: :banana:

Monteverdi: L'Orfeo

Purcell: Dido and Aeneus

I have a recording of the opera and I find it really dull. I do like the 'WHen I am laid" aria but that's it.

Mozart: Don Giovanni, The Marriage of Figaro, well, most of them! ;)

Mozart was a genius. Love Don G and Le Nozze, Zauberflote, Entfuhrung, Idomeneo, Cosi all of em.

Beethoven: Fidelio

I LOVE THIS OPERA!!! I saw the Met Production with Mattila, Rene Pape and Ben Heppner. Absolutely FANTASTIC!! Plus the arias 'Abscheulicher' and Gott welch dunkel hier make the hairs on the back of my neck stand.

Mussorgsky: Boris Godunov

This opera is a sleeping pill for me. It is so painfully dull.

Wagner: Tristan und Isolde, parts of the Ring and Parsifal

Wagner is the best thing since sliced bread, that's all I have to say. The entire Ring cycle is :worship: but I enjoy Walkure and Siegfried better than the others.
Flying dutchman is great as well. Lohengrin is :worship:
Tannhauser is eh...

Gershwin: Porgy and Bess

HEre's a performance of Maria Ewing BOMBING a performance of 'my man's gone now'. :lol:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3vYpOnUpHpQ

To erase that from our memories, let's have a listen to Gershwin done correctly by Sir Willard White.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApZ0lqGIF74 (Bess you is my woman)

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:41 AM
Want to hear a spinto soprano with a high E?
Check out Sondra Radvanovsky whenever she is singing near you.
I heard her Vespri Siciliani at the Met and thanks to my Iriver have her Bolero on mp3.
Now that is how to sing a high E, not scream it. (Callas... )

Listen to her sing D'amor sull'ali rosee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=soANLddzqgw

She has everything in her voice. Perfect vibrato, a perfect trill, mezza voce, ability to diminish and swell even the high tones, seamless diminuendi and crescendi
I heard her sing this role (although not this specific performance) and her voice is HUGE!!! It sounds like she is singing beside you and behind you. My friends nicknamed her 'surround sound'.

Compare to Callas singing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJpnri3NQdo
You canNOT deny the wobble in her voice especially the high notes.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 11:53 AM
I doubt Mario del Monaco ever sang a non-falsetto E-flat in his life ;) I can't agree with your last statement: that E-flat to my ears is clearly sung, sung in full voice (E-flats are usually sung through head voice only). Plus, I think it was because of stunts like these that ultimately Callas's career wasn't as long as it could have been :sad: :sad:

Why do you doubt MDM sang a non-falsetto E-flat.
Franco Corelli (another huge tenor) said he had a high E flat. Jose Carreras sings the written high Eflat in the 'Verranno a te' duet in Lucia di Lammermoor in full voice. His voice isn't the lightest of voices.
Giuseppe Morino does this as well. Actually Morino has a high F in full voice as well.

No good soprano is in head voice only even at the uppermost part of their range. There should always be a chest connection in the voice. I don't know which head voice only e flats you've been hearing but they must be bad coloraturas.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:07 PM
Why??
The voice itself wasn't anything special. It was Callas, La Divina, the person her story, her drama, her great insight into the text that brought out the great works. But her voice in itself is quite ugly.

The horrid glottal attacks, the different 'voices' as she ascended the scale.
The only Callas I think is worth listening to is FAT Callas.
During those early days her voice was :worship:
When she lost that weight and started singing with Giuseppe Di Stefano the voice was horrid.

And sorry, that Aida Eflat is squealed, not to mention it's in bad taste. Verdi didn't write an E flat there for Aida for a reason. IT's out of character for Aida.
In her recording of Trovatore (I believe the one she did with GDS) she interpolates unwritten high notes everywhere like they are going out of style. I mean who needs to hear a High E flat at the end of 'Di tale amor'.
The conductor should have known better.



That's SO WRONG :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The voice itself was fabulous while it lasted: the range (almost three octaves), the power (a soprano who sang Wagner as well as Turandot), the coloratura technique (a soprano who sang Wagner but could also trill and do immaculate descending scales, among other things). Plus, she started singing with Di Stefano in her fat years. Plus, she interpolates NO high notes in her studio recording of "Il Trovatore": so get your facts straight! By the away, the conductor was von Karajan: he knew better.

Finally, Tebaldi is fab. I don't know why one must criticise Callas to enjoy Tebaldi and vice-versa.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:10 PM
Compare to Callas singing it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJpnri3NQdo
You canNOT deny the wobble in her voice especially the high notes.

That's 1958 - there was a wobble then -. Though that same year Callas does a stunning diminuendo on a High E-flat :eek: in La Sonnambula in Köln :eek:

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:10 PM
Two of my favourite tenors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htHG8P8vyK0 Hint:
Juan Diego Florez

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V47lSqXkCHM&mode=related&search=
Rolando Villazon singing 'Pourquoi me reveiller' from Werther.
WOW!!!!!! :worship:

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:16 PM
Why do you doubt MDM sang a non-falsetto E-flat.
Franco Corelli (another huge tenor) said he had a high E flat. Jose Carreras sings the written high Eflat in the 'Verranno a te' duet in Lucia di Lammermoor in full voice. His voice isn't the lightest of voices.
Giuseppe Morino does this as well. Actually Morino has a high F in full voice as well.

Why? Because I have never heard MDM sing (live or in studio) any note above High C. I have got to hear José Carreras sing that high E-flat to believe it and, in addition, Carreras DID have a light voice: he was a lyric tenor who ruined his voice prematurely by singing roles he should never have dreamt singing. When MDM heard Carreras singing Radamès in Aida, he said: "who's that Nemorino singing Radamès"?

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:32 PM
That's SO WRONG :rolleyes: :rolleyes: The voice itself was fabulous while it lasted: the range (almost three octaves), the power (a soprano who sang Wagner as well as Turandot),

Have you heard that Turandot??? Or any of her recorded Wagner???
Her Turandot is a small one. Birgit Nilsson she isn't. She should've stuck to Liu.
You know who else sang Turandot?? Katia Ricciarelli! :help: (Karajan was the conductor btw)
Just because someone sings something doesn't mean they are suited for it.
Just like Leontyne Price and La Fanciulla del West!


the coloratura technique (a soprano who sang Wagner but could also trill and do immaculate descending scales, among other things).

You say this like it should be something special. That is the product of good teaching. It is only these days that heavier voices (and even lighter ones) don't have flexibility. All voices should be able to move and do scales.
I will say that specifically in her Lucia , her chromatic scales are to PERFECTION :worship:

Plus, she interpolates NO high notes in her studio recording of "Il Trovatore": so get your facts straight! By the away, the conductor was von Karajan: he knew better.

So it wasn't the Karajan recording. YOu do know there is more than one recording of Trovatore with Callas right?
It's probably the one with Baum. Tasteless interpolation!

Finally, Tebaldi is fab. I don't know why one must criticise Callas to enjoy Tebaldi and vice-versa.

Exactly. Tebaldi is what a voice should sound like. Sorry but if you know anything about voices, one can tell that Tebaldi's voice is WAY better than Callas.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:42 PM
Why? Because I have never heard MDM sing (live or in studio) any note above High C.

LOL, maybe that's because the roles in his repertoire don't have notes above a C.
I mean you can count the number of roles in the entire tenor repertoire that require notes above the C.



I have got to hear José Carreras sing that high E-flat to believe it

THen buy the Lucia recording on the Decca label with Cabelle, Carreras and Sam Ramey. I am looking at it right now but don't have the energy to rip the particular track and then upload it.



and, in addition, Carreras DID have a light voice: he was a lyric tenor who ruined his voice prematurely by singing roles he should never have dreamt singing.

Carreras's voice isn't light. He is a full-lyric tenor. He had a very robust sound. His voice isn't light like Luigi Alva or Tagliavinni or Juan Diego Florez.

When MDM heard Carreras singing Radamès in Aida, he said: "who's that Nemorino singing Radamès"?

Anecdotal... that being said I didn't like his Radames except the 'La fatal pietra' final duet. I did like him as Don Jose and Chenier.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:54 PM
Callas's "D'amor sull'ali rosee" (IL TROVATORE - Verdi) from Mexico City, 1951. The sound is not very good, but good enough to hear and enjoy p-e-r-f-e-c-t Sutherland-like trills, seamless legato line and optional high D-flat. As a bonus, one gets the "Miserere" as well and the audience's enthusiastic reaction.

Here's the link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/30332747/Callas_-_Trovatore_no_M_xico.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30332747/Callas_-_Trovatore_no_M_xico.mp3.html)

I have this already. THis is exactly what I am talking about. Callas is great when you talk of Tosca, Medea, the drama she brought to the bellini/donizetti heroines.
However as a Verdi heroine, she's not up to par. Sorry but the Dflat wasn't hot. She should've left it out.
I do like her chest voice in the Miserere.

Here's a Verdi heroine who gets the Verdi line has perfect trills, endless legato and took the optional D-flat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ilEDstN4ZKY
Leontyne Price live performance from the Bell Telephone Hour.
She gets the aria.
The Bflats in the aria aren't marked pianissimo. They are marked 'dolce' and that's exactly what L.Price does with them. She lightens the voice and sings them ever so sweetly.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 12:54 PM
"Have you heard that Turandot??? Or any of her recorded Wagner???
Her Turandot is a small one. Birgit Nilsson she isn't. She should've stuck to Liu."

Please, don't talk about what you do not know. The recording of Turandot was made in 1958, when Callas's voice had lost, at least, 1/4 of its power and volume. As the lady got thin, so did the voice, unfortunately. In addition, Callas never sang Liù either on studio or live, she only recorded her arias in 1954, if I am not mistaken. And, yes, I have listened to Callas's Wagner. In the beginning of her career in Italy, Callas was known and was thought of as a dramatic soprano and what she was singing reflected that: Turandot, Brünhilde, Isolde, Kundry, Leonora in "La Forza del Destino". The surprise came when people realized she could sing lighter and coloratura roles as well. In fact, Renata Tebaldi herself said that one of the joys of hearing Callas at La Scalla was listening to a huge voice tackle coloratura with such flexibility and ease.


"You say this like it should be something special. That is the product of good teaching. It is only these days that heavier voices (and even lighter ones) don't have flexibility. All voices should be able to move and do scales."

That's so wrong. In the old days, dramatic and spinto sopranos were not generally required to have a good coloratura technique. There were coloratura and light sopranos who did the scales and the trills and then the heavier sopranos who did nothing of the sort. That's why Callas singing Elvira in "I Puritani" after Brünhilde in the "Walküre" was SO surprising. People could not picture a Wagnerian soprano trilling. And it was Callas herself who insisted time and time again in interviews that: good teaching should include coloratura training.

"You do know there is more than one recording of Trovatore with Callas right?"

Not a studio recording. All the others are live ones. Plus, how could I post a link to Callas singing "Il Trovatore" if I didn't know that?

"Exactly. Tebaldi is what a voice should sound like. Sorry but if you know anything about voices, one can tell that Tebaldi's voice is WAY better than Callas."

Don't patronise me. Tebaldi's voice was beautifully toned: gold and honey, but it had its flaws too. First, it did not last long too. By the early 60s, Tebaldi was having problems with her High C. Plus, she never went above high C and always transposed down, for instance, Violetta's "Sempre Libera" in La Traviata. But that doesn't matter THAT much. The voice was gorgeous, she had a crystal-clear diction, a fabulous Italian accento and guts, which is what is missing in 90% of today's singers.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:02 PM
"LOL, maybe that's because the roles in his repertoire don't have notes above a C. I mean you can count the number of roles in the entire tenor repertoire that require notes above the C.

And maybe he chose those roles to sing, because they only went to a high C. And there are not such few roles who go beyond high C, there's a lot of beyond- high C- singing in Rossini, Bellini and Donizetti.


"THen buy the Lucia recording on the Decca label with Cabelle, Carreras and Sam Ramey. I am looking at it right now but don't have the energy to rip the particular track and then upload it."

I doubt Carreras sings a High E-flat. Doubt it. I will still doubt it, until I hear it.


"Carreras's voice isn't light. He is a full-lyric tenor. He had a very robust sound. His voice isn't light like Luigi Alva or Tagliavinni or Juan Diego Florez."

Carreras is a lyric tenor. He is no spinto. He is no dramatic. Thus, his voice is light. He should have kept singing Arturos in "Lucia", Rodolfos in "Bohème" and Alfredos in "La Traviata".

" I did like him as Don Jose and Chenier."

Chenier. Don Jose. Two roles who caused him to start losing his high notes at the beginning of the 80s.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:05 PM
However as a Verdi heroine, she's not up to par.


It's your opinion. There are lost of people who think Callas is the definitive Abigaille in Nabucco, Lady Macbeth in MacBeth, Violetta in La Traviata, Leonora in Il Trovatore, Amelia in Un Ballo in Maschera.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:16 PM
It's your opinion. There are lost of people who think Callas is the definitive Abigaille in Nabucco, Lady Macbeth in MacBeth, Violetta in La Traviata, Leonora in Il Trovatore, Amelia in Un Ballo in Maschera.

I am one of those who think she is THE definitive Violetta and Lady Macbetto.
She is AWESOME as Lady Macbetto. Her Violetta in her fat years is a treasure. But it isn't because of the voice which is my contention.
I am not saying Callas isn't great. SHe is because of everything else she brought to the role aside from her voice.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:19 PM
Callas again in her first studio recording from 1949.
From Bellini's "I Puritani": "O rendetemi la speme" and the cabaletta "Vien, diletto".
Watch out for the stunning diminuendi, the crystal-clear diction, the coloratura work in the cabaletta and the final High E-flat.

http://rapidshare.de/files/30334104/Callas_-_Track_6.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30334104/Callas_-_Track_6.mp3.html)

Again I don't have to download I have it.
Callas is :worship: in Bellini. Qui la voce... vien diletto is simply superb. She captures Elvira's madness perfectly.
Listen to the 'Son vergin vezzosa' from earlier in the opera. Again the chromatic scales are excellent.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:28 PM
I doubt Carreras sings a High E-flat. Doubt it. I will still doubt it, until I hear it.


LOL, doubt it all you want. I gave you the record label, the singers, in fact here is a link the the record.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006469I/104-8134392-3846320?v=glance&n=5174
Buy it and eat your heart out. He has a high E flat :lol:


Carreras is a lyric tenor. He is no spinto. He is no dramatic. Thus, his voice is light. He should have kept singing Arturos in "Lucia", Rodolfos in "Bohème" and Alfredos in "La Traviata".

I can tell you don't sing by this statement. Rodolfo and Alfredo aren't light roles. Don't be deceived. Arturo is lighter than the other 2 but Alfredo and rodolfo especially aren't light roles at all.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:29 PM
I am one of those who think she is THE definitive Violetta and Lady Macbetto.
She is AWESOME as Lady Macbetto. Her Violetta in her fat years is a treasure. But it isn't because of the voice which is my contention.
I am not saying Callas isn't great. SHe is because of everything else she brought to the role aside from her voice.

What I am saying is that it is because of the voice too, that is, that the voice was indeed great until 1954/5 and, even after that, there were moments when the voice captured the former brilliance. Obviously, in Callas, there is much more than the voice: there's the perfect diction and the infinite variety of vocal shadings and colours Callas used to express the characters' emotions. There was a critic who expressed it best: "when one hears Callas, one is able to imagine her facial expressions". But Tebaldi - herself - was much more than voice as well. If Tebaldi was only voice, I wouldn't like her as much . There's fire and guts in her diction. She knows what her characters are feeling.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:31 PM
LOL, doubt it all you want. I gave you the record label, the singers, in fact here is a link the the record.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006469I/104-8134392-3846320?v=glance&n=5174
Buy it and eat your heart out. He has a high E flat :lol:




I can tell you don't sing by this statement. Rodolfo and Alfredo aren't light roles. Don't be deceived. Arturo is lighter than the other 2 but Alfredo and rodolfo especially aren't light roles at all.

All I can say is that I doubt it. I think you're mistaken and have mixed up the note. I don't think Arturo has high E-flats to sing in Lucia.

Obviously Rodolfo and Alfredo aren't as light as Arturo, but they are the ideal roles for a lyric tenor, like Carreras was.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:44 PM
Please, don't talk about what you do not know. The recording of Turandot was made in 1958, when Callas's voice had lost, at least, 1/4 of its power and volume. As the lady got thin, so did the voice, unfortunately.

So why did you bring up her singing Turandot. She sounds like crap on the recording out there. She is screaming 'In questa reggia' and the riddle scene. She was in vocal decline when she sang it and it was bad yet you bring it up saying Callas Sang Turandot.
That is why I said Katia Ricciarelli sang it as well. (Under Karajan no less). Her's sucked even more. It was pathetic. She was a mouse trying to sound like a lion.


That's so wrong. In the old days, dramatic and spinto sopranos were not generally required to have a good coloratura technique. There were coloratura and light sopranos who did the scales and the trills and then the heavier sopranos who did nothing of the sort. That's why Callas singing Elvira in "I Puritani" after Brünhilde in the "Walküre" was SO surprising. People could not picture a Wagnerian soprano trilling. And it was Callas herself who insisted time and time again in interviews that: good teaching should include coloratura training.

Emm have you heard of Rosa Ponselle?? Her voice was bigger than Maria's and she could move it like no other. In the old days, EVERY voice no matter how big was expected to have flexibility. This doesn't mean they are Rossini specialists but the occassional melisma should pose no problem.


Not a studio recording. All the others are live ones. Plus, how could I post a link to Callas singing "Il Trovatore" if I didn't know that?

Pls show me where I said it was a studio recording ;)


Don't patronise me. Tebaldi's voice was beautifully toned: gold and honey, but it had its flaws too. First, it did not last long too. By the early 60s, Tebaldi was having problems with her High C. Plus, she never went above high C and always transposed down,

So not going above high C is a flaw :confused:

The voice was gorgeous, she had a crystal-clear diction, a fabulous Italian accento and guts, which is what is missing in 90% of today's singers.


:worship:

PS
I just listened to Carreras's High E flat. :drool:

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 01:53 PM
All I can say is that I doubt it. I think you're mistaken and have mixed up the note. I don't think Arturo has high E-flats to sing in Lucia.


Oh my goodness, now you are saying Donizetti didn't write the E flat. :tape: You aren't a singer so you won't have a score but I do and it is there.
Third ledger line above the treble staff clear as day on 'questo PE-gno allor' (It's in the key of Bflat.)

I have a bootleg recording with Duetekom and Pavarotti where they swith lines at that point and Pav sings the high C natural and Duetekom takes the high Eflat.

Guiseppe Morino sings the high E flat on his Lucia recording as well. I have it and I would love nothing more than to post it just to prove you wrong but I am tired.
Bye :wavey:

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:02 PM
"So why did you bring up her singing Turandot. She sounds like crap on the recording out there. She is screaming 'In questa reggia' and the riddle scene. She was in vocal decline when she sang it and it was bad yet you bring it up saying Callas Sang Turandot."

Are you reading what I am writing ? Callas sang Turandot between 1949 /1952 !!!! At that time, she was singing Kundry, Isolde, Brünhilde, Leonora in "La Forza del Destino". At that time, she was not in vocal decline. At that time, she was considered a dramatic soprano.


"Emm have you heard of Rosa Ponselle?? Her voice was bigger than Maria's and she could move it like no other. In the old days, EVERY voice no matter how big was expected to have flexibility."

Do you think I am stupid ? Of course, I have heard of Rosa Ponselle. But Rosa Ponselle in AN EXCEPTION, not the rule. In the old days, every voice WAS NOT expected to have flexibility, that's why so few dramatic sopranos had flexibility. Rosa Ponselle being the obvious exception. And Rosa Ponselle being one of Callas's idols.


" So not going above high C is a flaw :confused: "

Of course not. The voice just does not have the range others have.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:05 PM
Oh my goodness, now you are saying Donizetti didn't write the E flat. :tape: You aren't a singer so you won't have a score but I do and it is there.
Third ledger line above the treble staff clear as day on 'questo PE-gno allor' (It's in the key of Bflat.)


How do you know I am not a singer? Have you met me? Have we been introduced to each other? And tell me does Caballé sing the E-flat too with Carreras? Please, just answer that question.

Dunlop1
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:11 PM
How do you know I am not a singer? Have you met me? Have we been introduced to each other? And tell me does Caballé sing the E-flat too with Carreras? Please, just answer that question.

LOL nice try. They sing the duet come scritto. She takes the high C natural and he takes the High E flat. You can hear him sing it.

If you ask me nicely I might rip it and upload it for you.
I might even throw in the full voice High F of Morino from 'ah dove il cimento' aria from Rossini's Semiramide.

VivalaSeles
Aug 22nd, 2006, 02:21 PM
LOL nice try. They sing the duet come scritto. She takes the high C natural and he takes the High E flat. You can hear him sing it.

If you ask me nicely I might rip it and upload it for you.
I might even throw in the full voice High F of Morino from 'ah dove il cimento' aria from Rossini's Semiramide.

Ok. Now I believe you. Caballé never had E-flats in her life, so I was finding it very strange that Carreras would sing a E-flat in a duet with Caballé. Are you sure the duet wasn't transposed down?

I've heard males singing high Fs, namely William Mateuzzi in "I Puritani". Never heard of Morino, to be honest.

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:20 AM
Beverly Sills in an extremely funny mixture of well-known arias and classical pieces :

http://rapidshare.de/files/30923445/Sillsiana.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30923445/Sillsiana.mp3.html) :D

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:20 AM
Callas again in her first studio recording from 1949.
From Bellini's "I Puritani": "O rendetemi la speme" and the cabaletta "Vien, diletto".
Watch out for the stunning diminuendi, the crystal-clear diction, the coloratura work in the cabaletta and the final High E-flat.

http://rapidshare.de/files/30334104/Callas_-_Track_6.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30334104/Callas_-_Track_6.mp3.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:21 AM
Callas's "D'amor sull'ali rosee" (IL TROVATORE - Verdi) from Mexico City, 1951. The sound is not very good, but good enough to hear and enjoy p-e-r-f-e-c-t Sutherland-like trills, seamless legato line and optional high D-flat. As a bonus, one gets the "Miserere" as well and the audience's enthusiastic reaction.

Here's the link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/30332747/Callas_-_Trovatore_no_M_xico.mp3.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30332747/Callas_-_Trovatore_no_M_xico.mp3.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:30 AM
A compilation of some of Callas's vocal and technical qualities [1]:
http://rapidshare.de/files/30924578/T_cnica_vocal_01_-_Maria_Callas.mpga.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30924578/T_cnica_vocal_01_-_Maria_Callas.mpga.html)

VivalaSeles
Aug 27th, 2006, 10:33 AM
A compilation of some of Callas's vocal and technical qualities [2]:
http://rapidshare.de/files/30924792/T_cnica_vocal_02_-_Maria_Callas.mpga.html (http://rapidshare.de/files/30924792/T_cnica_vocal_02_-_Maria_Callas.mpga.html)

Kaiwhakahare
Aug 27th, 2006, 12:17 PM
Anyone give their opinion on Te Kanawa?

VivalaSeles
Aug 28th, 2006, 07:31 AM
bump :)

Sally Struthers
Aug 28th, 2006, 07:35 AM
:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgANx5WV8E

Epigone
Aug 28th, 2006, 01:00 PM
The Three Tenors in Concert in 1994 with "Nessen Dorma" from Puccini's Turandot (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turandot)

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKytbZCONzw)

VivalaSeles
Aug 29th, 2006, 07:14 AM
bump :)

Edward.
Aug 29th, 2006, 10:13 AM
I love Opera. I find it the fastest, most secure web browser on earth!

Only kidding Martin! :p

VivalaSeles
Aug 30th, 2006, 10:15 AM
bump :)

VivalaSeles
Sep 1st, 2006, 12:17 PM
bump :)

Epigone
Sep 6th, 2006, 11:36 AM
An aria from Puccini's La Boheme (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Boheme)

linky (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U467yisMlkk)

Epigone
Oct 17th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Anna Netrebko with the "Jewel Song" aria from Gounod's Faust (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust_%28opera%29)

link (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cQkoSQ_jmKo)

Epigone
Nov 27th, 2006, 05:06 AM
Dmitri Hvorostovsky with "Votre toast, je peux vous le rendre (Toreador Song)" from Bizet's Carmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen)

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OqEn57tVA1s)

Epigone
Dec 5th, 2006, 11:29 AM
Interview with Anna Netrebko (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1525196)

silverwhite
Dec 5th, 2006, 12:08 PM
:eek:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urgANx5WV8E

A little bit too shrill. :o Great control though. :yeah:

Barrie_Dude
Dec 5th, 2006, 04:37 PM
I do like Opera. Anyone been to LaScala?

orfeus
Dec 5th, 2006, 05:47 PM
It is said that the people who like opera are very complicated and they always hide their emotion, feelings inside them and it's very difficult for the others to understand them :shrug: :tape: Is it right?

Hey, this is precisely me!!!:scared:
Anyway, though a blast from the past, Birgit Nilsson's performances in Wagner's operas (Brunnhilde:hearts: :hearts: ) were simply BREATHTAKING and her vocal skills absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!!:bounce: :bounce:
A little quote I found:
"One high C rendered in a "Turandot" performance in the outdoor Arena di Verona in Italy led citizenry beyond the walls to think that a fire alarm had been set off." :haha: :haha:

Epigone
Dec 27th, 2007, 01:49 AM
Tonight, I went to see Carmen (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmen) at the National Theatre (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Theatre_in_Belgrade) in Belgrade :woohoo:

Epigone
Aug 1st, 2008, 12:11 PM
Anna Netrebko with "Ebben? Ne andrò lontana" from Catalani's La Wally (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Wally)

link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXhz0MHBd8w)

Epigone
Aug 7th, 2008, 07:42 PM
Andrea Bocelli and Anna Netrebko with "Brindisi" from Verdi's La traviata (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Traviata)

HtTKcqINJrM
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtTKcqINJrM)

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:15 PM
I like opera!:hearts:
I guess I'm more into those kind of music which involves high notes.:angel:

Edward.
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:26 PM
I wanna make sweet music with Katherine Jenkins. :drool:

Martin does too, though he denies it http://strangetalk.net/images/smilies/awesome.png

drake3781
Aug 7th, 2008, 08:32 PM
I just saw "Jerry Springer: The Opera" this weekend. Does that count?

Anybody else seen it and want to discuss it?

Sorry I don't have time to read the entire thread at this time.

ElusiveChanteuse
Aug 7th, 2008, 09:02 PM
I love "Der Hölle Rache" if that's under opera.:unsure:

spiceboy
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:33 AM
One of the best LIVE perfomances ever and absolutely my favourite one :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Orange, Southern France. 1974. The wind is blowing so hard that the director has no other chance but cancel. Montserrat says NO and the show goes ahead as planned. And then, in between all this air the magic appears: with an exquisite control of the technique, awesome Montserrat gives one of the classical performances in the history of opera :worship:

If you get goosebumps when hearing this, you are ready to enjoy the emotion of Opera :hearts:

Norma, priestess of the Temple of Irminsul, addresses a prayer to Queen Moon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQQv39dcNE

SV_Fan
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:37 AM
Beverly Sills, Leontyne Price, Joan Sutherland, Natalie Dessay, Edda Moser the best ever.
Not to mention Ruth Welting.

SV_Fan
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:41 AM
One of the best LIVE perfomances ever and absolutely my favourite one :hearts: :hearts: :hearts:

Orange, Southern France. 1974. The wind is blowing so hard that the director has no other chance but cancel. Montserrat says NO and the show goes ahead as planned. And then, in between all this air the magic appears: with an exquisite control of the technique, awesome Montserrat gives one of the classical performances in the history of opera :worship:

If you get goosebumps when hearing this, you are ready to enjoy the emotion of Opera :hearts:

Norma, priestess of the Temple of Irminsul, addresses a prayer to Queen Moon:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FIQQv39dcNE

I hate Monserrat Caballe. She could never in my opinion get above High D (D6), She kept taking out notes and phrases. It just got aggravating.

I mean she is supposed to be a soprano. Cecilia Bartoli a mezzo hit an high E (E6) in many arias. So have many other mezzos, but after the late 60's she would not go higher than C6 in my opinion.

SV_Fan
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:46 AM
Hey, this is precisely me!!!:scared:
Anyway, though a blast from the past, Birgit Nilsson's performances in Wagner's operas (Brunnhilde:hearts: :hearts: ) were simply BREATHTAKING and her vocal skills absolutely UNBELIEVABLE!!:bounce: :bounce:
A little quote I found:
"One high C rendered in a "Turandot" performance in the outdoor Arena di Verona in Italy led citizenry beyond the walls to think that a fire alarm had been set off." :haha: :haha:

Birgit was amazing. Her power still yet to be match. Everything about was :worship::) She is the best turandot, brunhilde ever. With Eva Martin in second and Ghena Dimitrova in 3rd.

SV_Fan
Aug 8th, 2008, 12:57 AM
I also like Cristina Deutekom. I love her coloratura. Its very unique and different. Plus she had a very big voice also.

But I am a dramatic soprano. I have decent coloratura. I have a high e flat. I have also done the high g in popoli de tessaglia. I can go higher than that. BUt I stopped doing so because I have not been taking care of my voice.

But the E flat is head voice. Overall I would say mixed voice.

Jose Carreras ruined his voice by singing turandot. I saw him and Eva Marton in 1983 vienna on youtube. He got drowned by the power in Martons voice.

Epigone
Dec 28th, 2008, 11:56 AM
Plácido Domingo and Angela Gheorghiu sing the duet "Parle-moi de ma mère", in Bizet's opera 'Carmen' :inlove:

ZTG746uIFbQ
link (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTG746uIFbQ)

VivalaSeles
Dec 28th, 2008, 05:27 PM
I hate Monserrat Caballe. She could never in my opinion get above High D (D6), She kept taking out notes and phrases. It just got aggravating.

I mean she is supposed to be a soprano. Cecilia Bartoli a mezzo hit an high E (E6) in many arias. So have many other mezzos, but after the late 60's she would not go higher than C6 in my opinion.

I am not a great fan of Caballe's (though the Norma in Orange is sublime). However, I don't believe a soprano needs to go higher than a C to be a real soprano. Ponselle didn't go higher than a D flat and Flagstad than a C and they are two of the greatest sopranos ever. Norma, for example, does not go higher than a C, all the higher notes are optional and not written.

Epigone
Jun 2nd, 2009, 10:22 AM
Plácido Domingo, Anna Netrebko, and Rolando Villazón - Dein ist mein ganzes Herz

qXuTFOULq48
link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXuTFOULq48)

Dunedin20
Jun 3rd, 2009, 01:17 AM
Kiri Te Kanawa anyone?

Barrie_Dude
Jun 3rd, 2009, 05:49 PM
I love Opera. Give me Guisseppe Verdi and I am a happy camper

Dunedin20
Apr 5th, 2010, 09:27 PM
*bump*

Good thread, lets keep it going mates!

Dunlop1
Apr 5th, 2010, 10:25 PM
Jessye-normous singing 'Es Gibt ein Reich' :worship:

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Unbelievable column of sound.

A current singer Sondra Radvanovsky. I saw her at the Houston Grand Opera 4th row. I was raptured. AMAZING sound and acting.
You cannot get it from this video, quality is bad but she was tres magnifique
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VivalaSeles
Apr 5th, 2010, 11:34 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELN9qSgj1Pc&playnext_from=TL&videos=8RHaDYe748I

VivalaSeles
Apr 5th, 2010, 11:36 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czdwvVsnnZI&playnext_from=TL&videos=0UYOVkhrJD0

VivalaSeles
Apr 5th, 2010, 11:38 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac3_wvmU0xg&playnext_from=TL&videos=coPJMvVFGDo

VivalaSeles
Apr 5th, 2010, 11:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb4kN5Vfk8Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=alJwsFKdvNY
Some of my youtube favourites :)

Dunlop1
Apr 6th, 2010, 12:23 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nb4kN5Vfk8Q&playnext_from=TL&videos=alJwsFKdvNY
Some of my youtube favourites :)

Acerba Volutta is one of those mezzo soprano arias that I can't get enough of. The contrast from the plunge into chest voice in the beginning of the aria to the soaring lines close to the end of the aria... just magnificent from Cilea.

Obratsova is a revelation in this aria.

Dunlop1
Apr 6th, 2010, 12:31 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELN9qSgj1Pc&playnext_from=TL&videos=8RHaDYe748I

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Callas is UNBELIEVABLE in this. I mean bel canto is just inside her. Perfect technical execution (diminuendo on high E flat :eek: and then 2 octave descending scale :worship:) and complete theatrical commitment.
There will never be another like Callas.

Here's another of her singing one of Bellini's most famous aria-cabaletta
'Qui la voce... Vien diletto'
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The Dawntreader
Apr 6th, 2010, 12:37 AM
How did i miss this thread! I'm going to pay homage to La Diva Caballe:

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antonella
Apr 6th, 2010, 12:54 AM
Anna Moffo at her best:

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Dunedin20
Apr 6th, 2010, 10:00 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8JvrZv468I

Brena
Apr 6th, 2010, 01:17 PM
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I love to sing this one to myself. :lol:

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I saw this one live in Amsterdam and it was :inlove:

VivalaSeles
Apr 6th, 2010, 02:37 PM
Acerba Volutta is one of those mezzo soprano arias that I can't get enough of. The contrast from the plunge into chest voice in the beginning of the aria to the soaring lines close to the end of the aria... just magnificent from Cilea.

Obratsova is a revelation in this aria.
Not very princess-like or aristocratic, but completely wild and demented like someone deeply in love ;) I too love this particular aria, simply because I'm a chest voice addict :o

VivalaSeles
Apr 6th, 2010, 02:40 PM
Here's another of her singing one of Bellini's most famous aria-cabaletta
'Qui la voce... Vien diletto'
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This one is pure heaven :worship:. It's from 1949 and it is included in her first studio recording, I believe. The descending scales are just perfect and the voice so, so beautiful ... who said Callas didn't have a beautiful voice? :D

Dunlop1
Apr 6th, 2010, 05:53 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8JvrZv468I

Not a fan.

Josh
Apr 6th, 2010, 06:17 PM
Some of my favourites :

1. Fiorenza Cossotto singing "Stride la vampa" from Il Trovatore
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2. Joyce DiDonato singing ""Crude furie degli orridi abissi"
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3. Vivica Genaux singing "Qual guerriero in campo armato"
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4 .Luciana Serra as Olympia in "Les Contes d'Hoffmann"
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5. Natalie Dessay singing "Où va la jeune Indoue" from Lakmé
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6. Juan Diego Flórez singing "J'ai perdu mon Eurydice" from Orphée et Eurydice
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Josh
Apr 6th, 2010, 06:29 PM
Some more :

7. Laura Claycomb singing "Caro Nome" from Rigoletto
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8 Carolyn Sampson singing "Da Tempeste" from Giulio Cesare
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9. Cristina Deutekom singing "Martern aller Arten" from Die Entführung aus dem Serail
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10. Rita Gorr singing "Amour viens aider ma faiblesse" from Samson et Dalila
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Dunedin20
Apr 7th, 2010, 04:55 AM
Not a fan.

haha, not for everyones taste, I think it's great that it can be mixed, defintly vamps it up a bit.

The Dawntreader
Aug 30th, 2010, 12:28 AM
Bump. I've recently got into Opera, and make no apologies for inflicting this thread upon TF again:lol:

Some more of my favourites:

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Seamless studio recording by La Caballe! Doesn't include the E flat at the end, but i never liked that particular inclusion at the end of this aria. This aria is romance, not madness.

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Alfredo Kraus singing the extremely complex aria from La Flle du Regiment. His thrilling voice and excellent technique even more amazing considering he only started performing this role into his 50's. Look at the control on those C's!


Keep this thread alive!:lol:

VivalaSeles
Aug 30th, 2010, 01:05 AM
Caballé, by her own admission, never had an extraordinary top: the Cs were great, but she very rarely went for Ds.

Kraus was a god :worship:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2sKIvetlQ
This is a very good Portuguese soprano tackling the very difficult Turandot aria «In questa reggia»

The Dawntreader
Aug 30th, 2010, 01:12 AM
Caballé, by her own admission, never had an extraordinary top: the Cs were great, but she very rarely went for Ds.
Kraus was a god :worship:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gX2sKIvetlQ
This is a very good Portuguese soprano tackling the very difficult Turandot aria «In questa reggia»

Caballe's top notes were actually quite agile and vibrant in certain roles. Her C's in Norma are absolutely divine. Even better than Sutherland, Callas (1952) IMO.

Apparently she attempted an E in one performance, but it was brief and so misplaced that i think people just ignored it:lol: Bless her!

What an expressive soprano VivalaSeles! Pushes the C at the end a bit, but lovely phrasing. In questa reggia is such a DIFFICULT aria, having to transition from B-C notes so quickly.

VivalaSeles
Aug 30th, 2010, 01:26 AM
Caballe's top notes were actually quite agile and vibrant in certain roles. Her C's in Norma are absolutely divine. Even better than Sutherland, Callas (1952) IMO.

Apparently she attempted an E in one performance, but it was brief and so misplaced that i think people just ignored it:lol: Bless her!

What an expressive soprano VivalaSeles! Pushes the C at the end a bit, but lovely phrasing. In questa reggia is such a DIFFICULT aria, having to transition from B-C notes so quickly.
Up to and including top Cs, Caballé's highs were great indeed: I never meant to diss her ;) It is just that she hardly ever went for Ds and thus it is only to be expected that she wouldn't go for the E-flat either. But her Norma, especially the one from Orange, with all the wind blowing, is magnificent.

Regarding the Portuguese soprano, Elisabete Matos, she will be singing at the MET this year, but just one performance of La Fanciulla del West. I attended the concert where she sang that Turandot aria live, but I wasn't the one who made the video ;) I agree absolutely, the high C at the end is a bit strained, but the rest was so, so wonderful. You can't imagine the power, the excitment of that piercing high note at «quel grido». A fabulous evening indeed :)

The Dawntreader
Aug 30th, 2010, 01:35 AM
Regarding the Portuguese soprano, Elisabete Matos, she will be singing at the MET this year, but just one performance of La Fanciulla del West. I attended the concert where she sang that Turandot aria live, but I wasn't the one who made the video ;) I agree absolutely, the high C at the end is a bit strained, but the rest was so, so wonderful. You can't imagine the power, the excitment of that piercing high note at «quel grido». A fabulous evening indeed :)

Awesome! She sounds like quite a talent:D I love the dramatic expressions- she would make a fine Lucia:lol:

Btw, Norma at Orange in '74 is my favourite ever moment in opera:hearts:

fantic
Aug 30th, 2010, 02:36 AM
I'm a novice and felt bad that I haven't listened after I purchased not one but two of the Ring, so am listening to it...

in the car :tape: (Purists might throw stones at me :lol: Not listening in one setting nor at a concert or in a quiet room but while DRIVING :lol: )

Currently on the start of the 4th part.

1953 cycle, Furtwangler, Rome for radio broadcast.(RAI)

ClaudiaZ-S
Aug 30th, 2010, 06:08 PM
6. Juan Diego Flórez singing "J'ai perdu mon Eurydice" from Orphée et Eurydice
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Bel canto but not the best Orpheus in my point of view :p :angel:

VivalaSeles
Aug 30th, 2010, 11:33 PM
Awesome! She sounds like quite a talent:D I love the dramatic expressions- she would make a fine Lucia:lol:
She has a decent coloratura technique (in fact, in the same concert, she sang an aria by Lady MacBeth: «ambizioso spirto»), but she is too heavy-voiced (no pun intended) for Lucia ;)
Orange Norma is out of this world :worship:

The Dawntreader
Sep 3rd, 2010, 11:52 AM
Bumped again!

Some more of my favourites:

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My favourite duet in Opera. I love the power and finesses that both produce here. Carreras's voice is simply outstanding in this Tosca performance.

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Joan Sutherland at her peak. Enough said.

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Been recently warming to Gruberova. I still can't stand her Norma performances (like WTF?), but this high, lyrical work does special things to her voice. Stunning pianissimo technique, probably second only to Caballe.

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Ignore the demented facial expressions and just listen to her amazingly skilled coloratura technique. One of my favourite arias ever.

Chrissie-fan
Sep 4th, 2010, 01:05 PM
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Anyway, here it is, paradise itself: Met Player.

http://www.metoperafamily.org/met_player/index.aspx

VivalaSeles
Sep 5th, 2010, 01:45 AM
Young Carreras is a god ;)

The Dawntreader
Oct 15th, 2010, 11:48 PM
I was shocked to see no tribute (or even a mention) of the great Joan Sutherland who died last week. So, i thought i'd post some of my favourite arias of hers here:

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I thought Joan was always a wonderful Violetta. Her coloratura ability was mesmerising in this aria.

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This is her singing the incredibly dramatic Bel Canto role in 'Anna Bolena'. Here, she was 59 years old, and her incredible technique was still maintaining her voice so well. That High D at the end, is the finest i've ever heard in this role.

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Joan was never my favourite Norma, but her HUGE range meant she was a superb Norma, particulary in the mid 60's, where her voice was at its most purest and sharpest. This version is sang in the orginial key too.

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This is the jewel in her crown performance and singing wise. It made her an instant international phenom, and embodies all her vocal brilliance and overall artistry.


There are so many more, but these are some of my favourites:)

Sam L
Oct 16th, 2010, 02:37 AM
I like Puccini especially Tosca and Bizet's Carmen, my first opera. And les contes d'Hoffmann by Offenbach. I have the film version of this and it's pretty awesome. I was going to see this in Opéra Bastille while I was in Paris but didn't get the chance.

Sam L
Jul 24th, 2011, 12:00 PM
This thread is dead. :sad:

I'm watching Lakmé at the Sydney Opera House in a couple of months. I love Léo Delibes. Coppélia is one of my all-time favourite ballets. I can't wait.

Tanja8
Jul 24th, 2011, 05:35 PM
I only like Mozart`s operas.
Then maybe some Čajkovski or Bizet.

Sam L
Dec 25th, 2011, 10:50 PM
Bump again. I woke up one day and realised I don't like Puccini. :sad:

These are the operas I'm watching in 2012 in Australia and Europe:

The Magic Flute
Marriage of Figaro
L'elisir d'amore
Don Pasquale
Lucia di Lammermoor
Aida

I can't wait.

ranfurly
Dec 26th, 2011, 07:22 AM
I'll post in here quick, but one Opera I did love, was the Beggar's Opera, Can't find alot of it on youtube, but The two greatest soprano's in the Southern Hemisphere collaborated to do a little remake of the song, Why, How now madame flirt,

Dame Joan Sutherland (La Stupenda)(Australia)
Dame Kiri Te Kanawa (New Zealand)

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TheHangover
Dec 27th, 2011, 11:34 PM
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i don't like opera that mutch, i think it's a bit too sophisticate for me, i'm not close to any opera theatre and even if the majority of operas are in italian it's not easy to understand the words, but i like this celebrated Queen of the Night from the magic flute (i think), this is PERFECTION
and this soprano is perfection too

The Dawntreader
Dec 27th, 2011, 11:38 PM
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i don't like opera that mutch, i think it's a bit too sophisticate for me, i'm not close to any opera theatre and even if the majority of operas are in italian it's not easy to understand the words, but i like this celebrated Queen of the Night from the magic flute (i think), this is PERFECTION
and this soprano is perfection too

Amazing staccatos. Absolutely soaring through the runs, without any scooping or drop in pitch. She's not even that full-voiced for this part, but her extreme range helps her.

Edita Gruberova is a wonderful Queen of The Night too, but Damrau's characterisation nails it.

TheHangover
Dec 27th, 2011, 11:51 PM
^^ i found out this also sang by Luciana Serra , she is great too

Valanga
Dec 27th, 2011, 11:52 PM
I never understand opera. The way singers sing always gives me goosebumps (no matter how good their voices are). I wish I could understand more, but how?

Moveyourfeet
Dec 28th, 2011, 12:01 AM
Damrau is the reigning Konigin der nacht. 'Der Holle rache' however is not the true test for the Queen, 'O zittre nicht' is.
Even though O Zittre Nicht has only one high F (compared to Der Holle Rache's 4), the coloratura passages are way more demanding. Der Holle Rache is like a vocalise lol.

Listen to Christina Duetekom OWN IT:
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Moveyourfeet
Dec 28th, 2011, 12:09 AM
These are the operas I'm watching in 2012 in Australia and Europe:

The Magic Flute
Marriage of Figaro
L'elisir d'amore
Don Pasquale
Lucia di Lammermoor
Aida

I can't wait.

Where are you watching these?
I watched Le Nozze di figaro 2 months ago. BF bought tickets as a gift but didn't realise in the opera house, I don't like Mozart (except Don Giovanni). Aida and Lucia should be fun!

I never understand opera. The way singers sing always gives me goosebumps (no matter how good their voices are). I wish I could understand more.

Went to Mariinsky theatre once for an opera show...I had no idea what I watched...

Which opera was it?

The Dawntreader
Dec 28th, 2011, 12:15 AM
Bump again. I woke up one day and realised I don't like Puccini. :sad:

These are the operas I'm watching in 2012 in Australia and Europe:

The Magic Flute
Marriage of Figaro
L'elisir d'amore
Don Pasquale
Lucia di Lammermoor
Aida

I can't wait.

Who is the Lucia?

Valanga
Dec 28th, 2011, 12:19 AM
Which opera was it?


Dead Soul (mertvye dushi). I skimmed through what the story was about the day before, but I forgot most of it because I was a bit late entering the theatre due to traffic.

Moveyourfeet
Dec 28th, 2011, 12:40 AM
Guess the Opera

Clues

The first words of the opera are not in the same language the opera is in
Father and son have the same name
The fate of one character in the beginning becomes the fate of another at the end
The mother of the title character will not speak to her

Sam L
Dec 29th, 2011, 05:47 AM
Where are you watching these?
I watched Le Nozze di figaro 2 months ago. BF bought tickets as a gift but didn't realise in the opera house, I don't like Mozart (except Don Giovanni). Aida and Lucia should be fun!


I have membership with Opera Australia so most are at the Opera House in Sydney but two in La Scala and La Fenice. But I don't have tickets yet. I'm also going to be in Paris for a while so might check out their playbill but I might be seeing a ballet there instead.

Who is the Lucia?

This one's by Opera Australia so it should be Emma Matthews who is the principal.

Guess the Opera

Clues
The first words of the opera are not in the same language the opera is in
Father and son have the same name
The fate of one character in the beginning becomes the fate of another at the end

I'm stumped. Any other clues? :confused:

shap_half
Dec 29th, 2011, 06:05 AM
I haven't been to the opera in so, so long. I was fortunate enough to be offered comped tickets to several performances at both the Met and the NYC Opera House when I was editing my university paper's arts & culture section. I was able to get amazing seats for Minghella's Madame Butterfly and Don Giovanni. Oh, those were the days!

Sam L
Dec 30th, 2011, 10:49 AM
Guess the Opera

Clues
The first words of the opera are not in the same language the opera is in
Father and son have the same name
The fate of one character in the beginning becomes the fate of another at the end

Is it Verdi's Don Carlo?

Richie's
Dec 30th, 2011, 06:47 PM
Not only liking Opera but ADORING it!
My fav. Opera houses are:

1. Vienna State Opera
2. Sydney Opera House
3. The Metropolitan Opera of NY

...and the list can go on and on!

Managed to watch Káťa Kabanová (aka Katya Kabanova) few weeks ago in Vienna.

Moveyourfeet
Dec 31st, 2011, 01:42 AM
Is it Verdi's Don Carlo?

Nope. One more clue:

The mother of the title character will not speak to her..

I think that makes it much easier.

Sam L
Dec 31st, 2011, 04:37 AM
Ok. I think I know now but I don't know this opera. I had to look it up. I'll let someone who actually knows to answer it.

Just to make sure I'm on the right track, it is a 20th century opera?

Moveyourfeet
Dec 31st, 2011, 03:31 PM
Ok. I think I know now but I don't know this opera. I had to look it up. I'll let someone who actually knows to answer it.

Just to make sure I'm on the right track, it is a 20th century opera?

Yes it is :)

Sam L
Jan 3rd, 2012, 09:18 AM
Yes it is :)
Since no one else is answering Barber's Vanessa. :)

Any other trivia? That was good.

Magic Flute at the Opera House next week. :bounce:

Sam L
Jan 5th, 2012, 10:41 AM
So I was listening to the radio today and there was a Gilbert & Sullivan aria which reminded me of the Queen of the Night aria. Is anyone familiar to their works that might have any ideas which one it might be?

Sam L
Jan 5th, 2012, 10:49 AM
Bought, watching and loving this:

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Moveyourfeet
Jan 5th, 2012, 01:29 PM
So I was listening to the radio today and there was a Gilbert & Sullivan aria which reminded me of the Queen of the Night aria. Is anyone familiar to their works that might have any ideas which one it might be?

Sounds like 'poor wandering one'. It's got some staccati and an improvised cadenza at the end of the aria which some sopranos take to a high F.
The name of the actual operetta is escaping me right now. It has to do with Pirates... oh the Pirates of Penzance.

The Dawntreader
Jan 5th, 2012, 02:26 PM
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Stumbled across this the other day. Fascinating stuff. I'm always amazed at how strident Nilsson's voice was, so thunderous. She made A5's sound like High C's.

Caballe's ascending pianissimo into the High B in Signora Ascolta is just mesmerising.

Moveyourfeet
Jan 5th, 2012, 09:49 PM
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So many amazing singers in this video, but my goodness I had no idea Ewa Podles had a top like that :eek:
High C#!!! Very impressive to hear from a true alto. Her low range is :drool:.

And yes Caballe's pianissimo was :worship:

Dame Joan's coloratura was just so... perfect. Truly amazing!

This video also reminded me how weird looking Cecilia Bartoli's tongue wagging tremolo is :unsure:.

The Dawntreader
Jan 5th, 2012, 10:01 PM
So many amazing singers in this video, but my goodness I had no idea Ewa Podles had a top like that :eek:
High C#!!! Very impressive to hear from a true alto. Her low range is :drool:.

And yes Caballe's pianissimo was :worship:

Dame Joan's coloratura was just so... perfect. Truly amazing!

This video also reminded me how weird looking Cecilia Bartoli's tongue wagging tremolo is :unsure:.

Podles's range is remarkable, i recall her hitting a High D flat in one aria. Her passiago is incredible, never losing the pitch or breaking the line. Insane talent.

Sutherland had the best coloratura of all time, i think it's indisputable. The accuracy of her staccatos, and the brilliant trills. Just gorgeous.

Urgh, i've always hated Bartoli's wobbly, tongue-wagging technique:lol:

ranfurly
Jan 5th, 2012, 11:16 PM
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Sam L
Jan 6th, 2012, 07:00 AM
Sounds like 'poor wandering one'. It's got some staccati and an improvised cadenza at the end of the aria which some sopranos take to a high F.
The name of the actual operetta is escaping me right now. It has to do with Pirates... oh the Pirates of Penzance.

Oh you're good. :worship: "Poor wand'ring one" from Pirates. Thank you.

Sam L
Jan 6th, 2012, 07:31 AM
Esclarmonde

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The Dawntreader
Jan 6th, 2012, 12:49 PM
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The Queen of Verdi.

Sam L
Feb 18th, 2012, 12:11 AM
Marriage of Figaro tonight. I'm not sure I'll like the modernised production. But I'll go in with an open mind.

Helen Lawson
Feb 18th, 2012, 12:37 AM
I'm seeing Rigoletto tomorrow night, I hope it's good!!

Sam L
Feb 29th, 2012, 11:55 AM
I'm seeing Rigoletto tomorrow night, I hope it's good!!

How was it, Hel? I liked the modern production of Marriage of Figaro. It was interesting the way they used costumes to tell the roles in the story. But overall, I'm not really a big fan of Mozart.

It's Gioachino Rossini's 220th birthday! :bounce:

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Moveyourfeet
Mar 1st, 2012, 12:47 AM
I'm not the hugest fan of Rossini. I find his operas to be islands of genius surrounded by oceans of banality.
Compared to say, Verdi or Donizetti, who engage you for the entire length of the opera.

That being said, I do like Semiramide, La Cenerentola (cinderella), La Gazza Ladra and The Italian girl in Algiers.

The king of Rossini tenors:

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His rendition of 'Ah, Dove il cimento' from Semiramide... I can't explain just how amazing I feel when I listen to this. His legato, fioritura and control of dynamics are superlative.

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And finally, the incredibly difficult aria 'languir per una bella' from l'Italiana in Algieri
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The Dawntreader
Mar 1st, 2012, 12:57 AM
And the Queen of Rossini ;)

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Helen Lawson
Mar 1st, 2012, 01:04 AM
How was it, Hel? I liked the modern production of Marriage of Figaro. It was interesting the way they used costumes to tell the roles in the story. But overall, I'm not really a big fan of Mozart.

It's Gioachino Rossini's 220th birthday! :bounce:

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Loved it! The gal who played Gilda was really fantastic, so was the Duke. Evil sister of the killer stole it at the end.

They're doing Romeo and Juliet in May, but I won't be in town. :sad:

Moveyourfeet
Mar 1st, 2012, 01:22 AM
And the Queen of Rossini ;)

Not a fan of Horne. She sounds hooty. I feel like she rarely connects with the core of her voice. Just my opinion though, as Horne is a FANTASTIC singer. Just not my type.

Now Teresa Berganza. Perfection.

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One can also not forget La Callas in this aria. Although the voice isn't best suited, the technique and interpretation is just :worship:

The Dawntreader
Mar 1st, 2012, 01:33 AM
Not a fan of Horne. She sounds hooty. I feel like she rarely connects with the core of her voice. Just my opinion though, as Horne is a FANTASTIC singer. Just not my type.

Now Teresa Berganza. Perfection.

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Berganza is a pretty expressive singer, but I sometimes feel her voice lacks weight in Bel Canto. Her high notes can sound a little insipid. Fabulous technique though.

Horne's mastery in Rossini is her ability to sing coloratura in a rather heavy mezzo middle register. It's much easier pronouncing coloratura in a higher tessitura than trying to navigate the notes in chest voice.

I agree though that Horne can sometimes slur notes and not actually them as written, but her timbre is gorgeous and her passagio is incredible, how she weaves in and out of it with such fluidity.

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I've always enjoyed this duet with Caballe in Semiramide though. Legato, legato, legato. The essence of Bel Canto IMO.

brickhousesupporter
Mar 1st, 2012, 01:42 AM
Contempory artist try their hand at La Donna e Mobile

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brickhousesupporter
Mar 1st, 2012, 01:52 AM
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A serious contribution to the thread......this is my dad's favorite version.

Moveyourfeet
Mar 1st, 2012, 02:06 AM
If you dad loves Denyce Graves, then you should have him check out Grace Bumbry. No offence to Denyce, but Bumbry is 10 times the artist Denyce is. She was hotter too lol.

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melodynelson
Mar 1st, 2012, 02:10 AM
I may go see Madame Butterfly in March, fingers crossed, it'd be my first opera. Hope I go!

brickhousesupporter
Mar 1st, 2012, 02:13 AM
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Moveyourfeet
Mar 1st, 2012, 04:57 AM
I may go see Madame Butterfly in March, fingers crossed, it'd be my first opera. Hope I go!

I hope you enjoy it. Butterfly was the first opera I took my boyfriend to see and he liked it. Where are you seeing it?

melodynelson
Mar 1st, 2012, 07:00 PM
I hope you enjoy it. Butterfly was the first opera I took my boyfriend to see and he liked it. Where are you seeing it?

Thanks! I just hope I get to go. It'd be a similar situation with me, actually. Somewhere in Lisbon, I have no details or idea where it's to be, my ticket isn't confirmed but I think it will be. I'll say more when I find out. :)

Sam L
Apr 17th, 2012, 11:34 AM
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A serious contribution to the thread......this is my dad's favorite version.

That was great. I'm going to see Carmen at the Arena in Verona!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I just got my tickets.

HippityHop
Apr 17th, 2012, 12:52 PM
Marriage of Figaro tonight. I'm not sure I'll like the modernised production. But I'll go in with an open mind.

I saw La Traviata live from the Met in HD at a movie theater on Saturday. Good singing, not great, but then again great singers are rare nowadays. But Natalie Dessay is a fine singing actress. Very sparse set ( a few couches and a clock which was ticking away the time of Violetta's life :rolleyes:). You couldn't tell the men from the women in the chorus as everybody wore black tuxedos. The scene in Act II where Violetta and Alfredo are lounging around in their underwear was not appealing at all. I certainly did not need to see the tenor especially running around in his drawers. :unsure: It's too bad that once something is seen, it can't be unseen.

I'm not a big fan of directors "modernizing" the sets and costumes of period operas. I understand the argument that they are trying to make the characters more "relevant" and "modern". However, opera is first and foremost about singing and music. If you don't believe me, try producing an opera by speaking the text instead of singing it and see how ridiculously it comes across.

And if relevance is such a big deal, why not put a rhythm section and a beat box in the orchestra to make the music more "relevant"?

But I understand that directors need to have something to "do".

ranfurly
Apr 17th, 2012, 09:56 PM
Question:

Der Halle Roche, who sings it the best?

Sills? DJS? Dramau?

Moveyourfeet
Apr 18th, 2012, 12:42 AM
Question:

Der Halle Roche, who sings it the best?

Sills? DJS? Dramau?

Very subjective question.
I'm not a fan of Sills timbre so I tend to prejudge her unfavourably.
You can't go wrong with Dame Joan in the high bel canto/coloratura rep, but I prefer a bit more enunciation than she gives.
Christina Deutekom is the hands down favourite for me. I love and am in awe of the technique she uses on her staccati. It is incredibly accurate, clear as a bell, voluminous yet flexible/pliable and she doesn't sacrifice the text in the name of a beautiful sound. It's a truly remarkable instrument.

There's a recording of Zauberflote with Sir George Solti conducting which is pretty amazing. The Tamino is just alright though.

The Dawntreader
Apr 18th, 2012, 01:24 AM
Question:

Der Halle Roche, who sings it the best?

Sills? DJS? Dramau?

Needs a dramatic voice, heavy middle voice with an agile top. Closest to that which I've heard is Edda Moser.

DJS would've been a fine Queen of the Night, but the High F's were beyond her consistently in sustained coloratura passages, and she always transposed the aria. Plus, she was never going to make a career out of that rep.

Too many lyric sopranos sing that role though. Damrau nails the characterization, but she still isn't as dark in timbre.

ranfurly
Apr 18th, 2012, 07:28 AM
Needs a dramatic voice, heavy middle voice with an agile top. Closest to that which I've heard is Edda Moser.

DJS would've been a fine Queen of the Night, but the High F's were beyond her consistently in sustained coloratura passages, and she always transposed the aria. Plus, she was never going to make a career out of that rep.

Too many lyric sopranos sing that role though. Damrau nails the characterization, but she still isn't as dark in timbre.

I listened to Edda Moser's version, you're right, her top is very agile, very clean and clear, she passes through the coloratura like a galloping horse, quite effortlessly, and sustains it well.

This is only from one recording however.

Dramau's acting and diction is superb, considering she is German anyhow. but her acting, best I have seen in that regard.

Cheers for your information too by the way :-)

HippityHop
May 31st, 2012, 08:06 PM
Has anyone noticed how much the Italian Mezzo-Soprano Cecilia Bartoli and Marion Bartoli look like each other? I wonder if they are long lost sisters? :)

lee station
May 31st, 2012, 08:44 PM
i love luciano pavarotti. he fn' owns! i like la boheme as a fave opera

melodynelson
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:01 AM
I didn't see Madame Butterfly, but La Rondine instead. Bit of a banal story, not very emotionally moving either, but great fun and I enjoyed it as my first operatic adventure. Now the opera season here in Lisbon only starts again in November...

The Dawntreader
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:17 AM
I didn't see Madame Butterfly, but La Rondine instead. Bit of a banal story, not very emotionally moving either, but great fun and I enjoyed it as my first operatic adventure. Now the opera season here in Lisbon only starts again in November...

Who starred in that production out of interest?:)

melodynelson
Jun 1st, 2012, 12:29 AM
Who starred in that production out of interest?:)

Local Portuguese. Dora Rodrigues, Carla Caramujo, Mário João Alves, Marco Alves dos Santos, Luís Rodrigues...I still have the libretto and ticket from the evening with me as souvenirs.

Sam L
Aug 28th, 2012, 11:55 AM
That was great. I'm going to see Carmen at the Arena in Verona!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: I just got my tickets.


Don't know if anyone has seen an Opera at the Arena in Verona but get a seat cushion or get seats. Those stones killed my ass. Carmen was good, it's been years since I've seen it live. The sets and costumes were fantastic. It's a great venue for an Opera.

I also saw a rehearsal for L'elisir d'amore at La Fenice. Ugh. I didn't like the interiors of La Fenice. It's too new. Nice but it seems so fake. But otherwise, it was great. At La Scala, I wanted to see Don Pasquale but I didn't have the time. The museum there was amazing though - one of the best for a theatre.

Next month Aida and then in October LUCIA DI LAMMERMOOR! :bounce:

Thinking about my membership for next year. I'm definitely set on Orpheus, Don Pasquale and one of the Verdi's from the following:

La Traviata
Un Ballo in Maschera
Il Trovatore
Falstaff
La Forza del Destino


Help me decide, please!

Moveyourfeet
Aug 29th, 2012, 03:59 PM
Thinking about my membership for next year. I'm definitely set on Orpheus, Don Pasquale and one of the Verdi's from the following:

La Traviata
Un Ballo in Maschera
Il Trovatore
Falstaff
La Forza del Destino


Help me decide, please!

Get rid of Falstaff :o. It's really dull imo.

The rest of the operas are all fantastic, although I'm sure you've seen Traviata like 30 times already. More importantly, who is singing the tenor and soprano lead? That would decide it for me.

The Dawntreader
Aug 29th, 2012, 05:47 PM
Thinking about my membership for next year. I'm definitely set on Orpheus, Don Pasquale and one of the Verdi's from the following:

La Traviata
Un Ballo in Maschera
Il Trovatore
Falstaff
La Forza del Destino


Help me decide, please!

Il Trovatore is Verdi's most virtuoso opera IMO, and probably his best. It depends on who the tenor, soprano and mezzo is though however. A bad tenor and soprano especially will kill the opera.

La Forza is kind of dull until Leonora's amazing scene in Act 4.

Traviata is the most consistently accessible and enjoyable I guess, but it depends on the soprano. I heard Netbrebko sing Traviata recently and it was absolutely awful. Un Ballo is pretty good too.

Dump Falstaff.

Moveyourfeet
Aug 29th, 2012, 11:56 PM
La Forza is kind of dull until Leonora's amazing scene in Act 4.

Really? :lol:
That opera is fantastic from beginning to end. I can maybe understand someone saying the third act is a bit dry (if you don't appreciate male voices) but even that is a stretch.
Plus Leonora also has amazing scenes in the first act (me pellegrina ed orfana, the duet with Alvaro and the trio with Alvaro and the Marquis) and second acts (Son giunta... Madre pietosa and the hauntingly beautiful La vergine degli angeli with the chorus).

The great thing about each of these operas (except Falstaff) is they each have juicy roles for each voice part, and a strong chorus so each act should always be engaging. Only Traviata doesn't have a robust mezzo role, but it's all about Violetta anyway.

Sam L
Aug 30th, 2012, 09:49 AM
Get rid of Falstaff :o. It's really dull imo.

The rest of the operas are all fantastic, although I'm sure you've seen Traviata like 30 times already. More importantly, who is singing the tenor and soprano lead? That would decide it for me.

Yes but not a live performance. Still, yes I would prefer to see others.

Il Trovatore is Verdi's most virtuoso opera IMO, and probably his best. It depends on who the tenor, soprano and mezzo is though however. A bad tenor and soprano especially will kill the opera.

La Forza is kind of dull until Leonora's amazing scene in Act 4.

Traviata is the most consistently accessible and enjoyable I guess, but it depends on the soprano. I heard Netbrebko sing Traviata recently and it was absolutely awful. Un Ballo is pretty good too.

Dump Falstaff.


Arnold Rawls, Daria Masiero and Milijana Nikolic for Il Trovatore. I think I will book this one and let my sister decide the other one. We might go to four.

Thanks for the suggestions. I'll keep thinking about it. I'm intrigued about Falstaff only because it's a rare comedy from Verdi.

Sam L
Sep 24th, 2012, 08:37 AM
I saw Aida on the weekend. I thought it was good but I have seen better performances. The Opera House stage is too small for something like Aida. The end of Act II made me cry. :sobbing:

Sam L
Oct 20th, 2012, 10:19 PM
Lucia di Lammermoor last night was incredible. Emma Matthews blew me away (with the Mad Scene). And I've seen a lot of great Lucias. James Valenti and Giorgio Caoduro were also great as Edgardo and Enrico respectively. The latter got a boo because he played the victim. I don't think he understood Aussie humour. :lol:

Well that was the end of the Opera season for me for this year. Looking forward to next year. I still haven't decided what to see. Australian Ballet has a lot to offer next year also so I'm going to be busy.

The Dawntreader
Oct 20th, 2012, 11:02 PM
Lucia di Lammermoor last night was incredible. Emma Matthews blew me away (with the Mad Scene). And I've seen a lot of great Lucias. James Valenti and Giorgio Caoduro were also great as Edgardo and Enrico respectively. The latter got a boo because he played the victim. I don't think he understood Aussie humour. :lol:



Was Emma's coloratura and trill good?

Sam L
Oct 21st, 2012, 12:16 AM
Was Emma's coloratura and trill good?

Very clean and in place. At the very least, Joan Sutherland's Mad Scene is tattooed in my aural brain :lol: and she came damn near perfect.

Also, I didn't like the production (staging/costumes) when I was watching it but now I think back on it, it was very beautiful. It was stripped back and very psychological. Very strong performances imo.

I want to get a DVD of this.

Moveyourfeet
Oct 21st, 2012, 02:36 AM
James Valenti and ...

Oh wow, I know James from WAAAY back, when he was still studying at AVA. I had the biggest crush on him :tape::lol:
Very talented guy. I'm sure his Edgardo was very good. Did he sing the C or Eb with Lucia in the act 1 duet? He used to have a very free top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9CkVlHZEH0#t=1m57s

This is my fav Edgardo (di Stefano) at his most unbridled. I LIVE!

Sam L
Oct 26th, 2012, 09:05 PM
Oh wow, I know James from WAAAY back, when he was still studying at AVA. I had the biggest crush on him :tape::lol:
Very talented guy. I'm sure his Edgardo was very good. Did he sing the C or Eb with Lucia in the act 1 duet? He used to have a very free top.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9CkVlHZEH0#t=1m57s

This is my fav Edgardo (di Stefano) at his most unbridled. I LIVE!

The duet was very good - one of my favourites. He sang C not E flat. I'm sure. It has been a few days.

Wow that was incredible - di Stefano!

Sam L
Jun 14th, 2014, 12:09 AM
I've just been going to ballets in the past year, finally going to an opera again in a few weeks, Salieri's Der Rauchfangkehrer. I'm excited. :bounce:

Also read this article I thought was interesting: Opera - the new Superpowers (http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2014/02/opera)

semprelibera
Jun 14th, 2014, 05:11 PM
I've just been going to ballets in the past year, finally going to an opera again in a few weeks, Salieri's Der Rauchfangkehrer. I'm excited. :bounce:

Also read this article I thought was interesting: Opera - the new Superpowers (http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2014/02/opera)

I didn't know Salieri composed an opera. Have fun. Let us know how it goes.