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lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:12 AM
For starters, why did it take so long for a birth certificate to be filed? Generally, a birth certificate is supposed to be filed withing seven days of a child's birth (I know mine was)

Then, how come we have not seen pictures of the baby? As publicity crazy as Tom and Katie were, I find it surprising that they did not give an exclusive to a US magazine like People, US or OK!(US version)

Also, can someone explain the following? (pictures courtesy of TMZ.com)

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/holmes_bg_x17_2_0325_0405.jpg

Take a good look at the above pictures. In the March 25th pic, she is supposed to be eight month pregnant, but look at the April 5th picture. In that picture, she hardly looks five months pregnant. Where did those three months (and the rest of the baby) go?

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.tmz.com/media/2006/07/katie_barneys_x17_275.jpg (http://us.video.aol.com/video.index.adp?mode=1&pmmsid=1633971)

The last picture was taken two days before she (allegedly) delivered

Ferosh
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:13 AM
Believe me when I say you are not the only one questioning this supposed pregnancy.

Cage
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:16 AM
i had no idea about her not beingprenant but good points tho

Ferosh
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:17 AM
The same nurse who signed the birth certificate for Tom Cruise's daughter Suri also signed the birth certificate for Brooke Shields' daughter Grier, but there's an interesting discrepancy.

Both babies were born on April 18 at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. Anne Heffernan is the registered nurse who signed both birth certificates. As TMZ reported Monday, Heffernan, who never saw Suri, signed her birth certificate. A hospital rep says Heffernan is authorized to sign when a doctor is not available.

On the Suri Cruise certificate (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/suri_3.pdf), Heffernan's license number is G48079. On the Grier Henchy certificate (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/grier_3.pdf), Heffernan's license number is different -- G068399. TMZ checked with the California Board of Registered Nursing and we were told Heffernan's license number didn't match either of the birth certificates. A Board rep told TMZ Hefferman's license number is 317058.

And it gets more interesting. The Board of Registered Nursing told TMZ the license number on Grier's certificate comes back to a Dorothy Rork. The license number on Suri's birth certificate is a mystery. There is no name attached to that license number.

By the way, unlike Suri's birth certificate, Brooke Shields signed the one for her daughter. Someone listed as "Friend" signed the certificate for Suri.

Also, the hospital's policy is to file birth certificates with L.A. County within 10 days of birth. In the case of Suri, it took 20 days to file, in part because the "friend" didn't sign for 16 days. In Grier's case, Brooke herself signed two days after her birth and the certificate was filed nine days after the baby was born.

TMZ placed multiple calls to St. John's. So far, no comment.

lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:23 AM
The same nurse who signed the birth certificate for Tom Cruise's daughter Suri also signed the birth certificate for Brooke Shields' daughter Grier, but there's an interesting discrepancy.

Both babies were born on April 18 at St. John's Hospital in Santa Monica. Anne Heffernan is the registered nurse who signed both birth certificates. As TMZ reported Monday, Heffernan, who never saw Suri, signed her birth certificate. A hospital rep says Heffernan is authorized to sign when a doctor is not available.

On the Suri Cruise certificate (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/suri_3.pdf), Heffernan's license number is G48079. On the Grier Henchy certificate (http://cdn.digitalcity.com/tmz_documents/grier_3.pdf), Heffernan's license number is different -- G068399. TMZ checked with the California Board of Registered Nursing and we were told Heffernan's license number didn't match either of the birth certificates. A Board rep told TMZ Hefferman's license number is 317058.

And it gets more interesting. The Board of Registered Nursing told TMZ the license number on Grier's certificate comes back to a Dorothy Rork. The license number on Suri's birth certificate is a mystery. There is no name attached to that license number.

By the way, unlike Suri's birth certificate, Brooke Shields signed the one for her daughter. Someone listed as "Friend" signed the certificate for Suri.

Also, the hospital's policy is to file birth certificates with L.A. County within 10 days of birth. In the case of Suri, it took 20 days to file, in part because the "friend" didn't sign for 16 days. In Grier's case, Brooke herself signed two days after her birth and the certificate was filed nine days after the baby was born.

TMZ placed multiple calls to St. John's. So far, no comment.

I am not that experienced on birth law, but I thought it was against the law for anyone other than the birth mother to sign a birth certificate. In the case of a woman dying after childbirth, then the father (or guardian) is supposed to sign the birth certificate.

Ferosh
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:24 AM
Suri does not exist

tenn_ace
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:27 AM
of course she wasn't, not at least from a closeted gay husband Tommy...:p

LoveFifteen
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:31 AM
Honestly, Katie and Tom are the biggest freak show on earth. They creep me out. What the fuck is going on with them? They are so weird.

lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:32 AM
Another thing that is strange is that no one has seen Katie or a nanny take the baby to the doctor. Everyone knows that a newborn has to see his/her doctor within a month of his/her birth.

LoveFifteen
Jul 14th, 2006, 05:11 AM
I get the feeling this whole pregnancy thing is a hoax, too, but why didn't they plan it better? Why didn't they adopt some baby or something? It's all just so fucking weird.

Black Mamba.
Jul 14th, 2006, 06:20 AM
Another thing that is strange is that no one has seen Katie or a nanny take the baby to the doctor. Everyone knows that a newborn has to see his/her doctor within a month of his/her birth.


Dang Liz you're more thorough than the real detectives! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 06:50 AM
Another thing that is strange is that no one has seen Katie or a nanny take the baby to the doctor. Everyone knows that a newborn has to see his/her doctor within a month of his/her birth.
:worship: :worship: you rock.... before this thread i THOUGHT maybe the preg was fake. now i KNOW it was. you are amazing. rock on!!

drake3781
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:10 AM
Well I think the entire thing is very weird as is Tom and now Katie. But there is a baby. They don't admit people into a maternity ward for nothing. They can have the doctor go to their home, ya know. It's just gonna be a rough time for the kid until she can free herself of her freak parents in about 15 years. Hopefully Katie will gain her senses soon enough and take the baby with her.

switz
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:23 AM
Another thing that is strange is that no one has seen Katie or a nanny take the baby to the doctor. Everyone knows that a newborn has to see his/her doctor within a month of his/her birth.

yes how could Tom Cruise afford to have a doctor who makes house calls :lol:

I don't doubt for a second that they are a very odd couple but i don't buy into this conspiracy theory about there being no baby. You're far from the first person to suggest it.

After all the shit they got for doing the publicity before the baby was born it's hardly surprising he's now ultra cautious about it.

I feel sorry for the baby if it does exist though.

I feel the most sympathy for his adopted children - imagine being stuck in the middle of their parents weird lives.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:31 AM
Well in the April 5 photo, I think the wind coule have blown her clothes so it could have obscured her tummy, whereas in the earlier photo she was wearing a tighter shirt.

But anyway, I think they probably did have a baby. But we're probably just not seeing it for Scientology reasons :shrug:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:57 AM
yes how could Tom Cruise afford to have a doctor who makes house calls :lol:

sure they have the money but how could tests like some of these go on without anyone noticing deliveries of the kinds of equipment needed to perform them?

i did a simple google search. in addition to a basic checkup and shots, a baby needs to be tested for 54 illnesses and diseases. they have all the money in the world so it would be inexcusable to not preform them.

Recommended Newborn Screening Tests: 29 Disorders

The March of Dimes would like to see all babies in all states screened for the following 29 disorders, for which effective treatment is available. This recommendation is based on endorsement of a report by the American College of Medical Genetics (ACMG) urging screening for these disorders. The report was commissioned by the U.S. Health Resources and Services Administration.

The 29 disorders can be grouped into five categories:
Amino acid metabolism disorders
Organic acid metabolism disorders
Fatty acid oxidation disorders
Hemoglobinopathies
Others
Each of the disorders is described below.

The March of Dimes also urges states to provide test results for an additional 25 "reportable" conditions named in the ACMG report. There are reliable tests for these conditions, but not yet documented treatments.

You can find out which tests are routinely done in your state by asking your health care provider or state health department. You can also visit the Web site of the National Newborn Screening and Genetics Resource Center.

Amino Acid Metabolism Disorders
This is a diverse group of disorders, with varying degrees of severity. Some affected individuals lack enzymes that are needed to break down the building blocks of protein called amino acids. Others have deficiencies in enzymes that help the body rid itself of the nitrogen incorporated in amino acid molecules. Toxic levels of amino acids or ammonia can build up in the body causing a variety of signs and symptoms, and even death.

PKU = Phenylketonuria
Incidence: greater than 1 in 25,000(1)

Affected individuals have an inability to properly process the essential amino acid phenylalanine, which then accumulates and damages the brain. PKU can result in severe mental retardation unless detected soon after birth and treated with a special formula. Affected individuals must be kept on a low-phenylalanine diet at least throughout childhood, adolescence, and for females during pregnancy.

MSUD = Maple syrup urine disease
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

This inborn error of metabolism can be lethal if unrecognized and untreated. There is a wide spectrum of clinical presentations, from mild to severe. Affected babies appear normal at birth but soon begin to have neurological symptoms. The disorder gets its name from the fact that the urine smells like maple syrup. Without dietary treatment, severely affected babies do not survive the first month; even those who do receive treatment may have irreversible mental retardation. Rapid diagnosis and treatment are major factors in survival and outcome. Treatment consists of a special low-protein diet, which will vary depending on severity of symptoms, and sometimes, supplementation with a vitamin, thiamin. The diet must be continued indefinitely with frequent monitoring.

HCY = Homocystinuria
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

Individuals with this disorder lack an enzyme responsible for converting the amino acid homocysteine into cystathionine, which is needed for normal brain development. If undetected and untreated, homocystinuria leads to mental retardation, eye problems, skeletal abnormalities, and stroke. Treatment consists of a special diet, one or more vitamins (B6 or B12), and other supplements (betaine).

CIT = Citrullinemia
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

Build-up in the body of citrulline and ultimately ammonia can begin during the newborn period or later in infancy. Without treatment, seizures, coma, brain damage and death can result. With early diagnosis and treatment, normal development is possible. Treatment includes a low-protein diet, medications to rid the body of amino groups to prevent ammonia build-up, and nutritional supplements.

ASA = Argininosuccinic acidemia
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

Most commonly, symptoms begin in the first few days of life, with build-up of argininosuccinic acid and ultimately ammonia resulting in brain swelling, coma and, sometimes, death. Survivors often suffer permanent neurological damage. Other affected children may develop symptoms later in infancy or childhood. Early diagnosis and treatment can be lifesaving; however, in spite of treatment, affected individuals remain susceptible to episodes of ammonia build-up, and most have some degree of brain damage. Treatment consists of a low-protein diet, avoiding fasting, medications to prevent ammonia build-up, nutritional supplements, and in some cases, liver transplant.

TYR I = Tyrosinemia type I
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

Due to absence of an enzyme, byproducts of the amino acid tyrosine, particularly a very toxic compound called succinylacetone, build up in the liver. Without treatment, symptoms generally begin in the first few weeks or months of life and progress to liver or kidney failure, nerve damage and death. Drug treatment, sometimes along with a low-protein diet, is very effective in preventing liver and kidney damage.


Organic Acid Metabolism Disorders
Each disease in this group of inherited disorders results from the loss of activity of an enzyme involved in the break down of amino acids, the building blocks of proteins, and other substances (lipids, sugars, steroids). When any of these chemicals is not properly broken down, toxic acids build up in the body. Without dietary treatment and prevention of acute episodes, these disorders can result in coma and death during the first month of life.

IVA = Isovaleric acidemia
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

This disorder is caused by an inability to process the amino acid leucine. The newborn form of the disorder often results in coma, permanent neurological damage, and death. In other cases, symptoms develop later in infancy and childhood, frequently following an infectious illness. With early diagnosis and treatment, most children have normal development. Treatment includes a low-protein diet and nutritional supplements.

GA I = Glutaric acidemia type I
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

Babies may develop normally for up to 18 months until something affects a child’s health, such as a mild viral illness, which may trigger the onset of symptoms. Without prompt treatment, this can lead to brain damage, seizures, low muscle tone, cerebral-palsy like symptoms and death within the first decade of life. Some affected babies also are born with an enlarged head (macrocephaly). Treatment can vary, but may include dietary protein restriction and supplementation with a nutrient called L-carnitine. With early diagnosis and prompt treatment of illness and fever, brain damage may be prevented.

HMG = Hydroxymethylglutaric aciduria or HMG-CoA lyase deficiency or 3-OH 3-CH3 glutaric aciduria
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

An inability to process the amino acid leucine leads to low blood sugar and accumulation of several organic acids, especially following illness or fasting. Without treatment, the disorder can lead to brain damage, mental retardation, coma and death. Avoiding fasting and following a diet low in protein and fat and high in carbohydrates can lead to normal development.

MCD = Multiple carboxylase deficiency
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

This disorder is caused by a defect of an enzyme required to activate several biotin-dependent enzymes. Without these enzymes, lactic acid and other organic acids build up in the body. Without treatment, brain damage, coma and death can result. Symptoms usually begin between birth and 15 months of age, and may include skin rashes and hair loss. Early diagnosis and treatment with biotin allows normal growth and development.

MUT = Methylmalonic acidemia due to mutase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

A defect in the processing of four essential amino acids and other substances results in illness in the first week of life. Though severity of symptoms varies greatly, death during the first month of life and brain damage in survivors is common. Treatment includes a low-protein diet, vitamin B12 injections, and nutritional supplements. Some children die during the first year of life or develop brain damage despite nutritional intervention.

Cbl A,B = Methylmalonic acidemia cblA and cblB forms
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

This inherited defect of vitamin metabolism can lead to build-up of acids in the blood and result in brain damage, seizures, paralysis, coma and death. Symptoms can begin as early as the first week of life, though a minority of affected individuals remain symptom-free. Treatment with vitamin B12 injections and a low-protein diet often prevents serious problems.

3MCC = 3-Methylcrotonyl-CoA carboxylase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

This defect in processing the amino acid leucine can lead to brain damage, seizures, liver failure and death in infancy or no symptoms at all into adulthood. Symptoms often develop following a childhood illness. Treatment with a low-protein diet and, in some cases, nutritional supplements may be helpful. (An abnormal result by newborn screening could be related to abnormal metabolites in the mother and not the baby. This will be clarified by further diagnostic testing of the infant.)

PROP = Propionic acidemia
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

This defect in the processing of four essential amino acids leads to illness during the newborn period. Without treatment, brain damage, coma and death can result. Even with treatment, including a low-protein diet and nutritional supplements, some affected children suffer from developmental delays, seizures, abnormal muscle tone, frequent infections and heart problems.

BKT = Beta-Ketothiolase deficiency
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)
Periodic episodes of acid build-up, often triggered by some childhood illness, can progress to coma, brain damage and death. These serious consequences are most often seen in infants. With early diagnosis and prompt intravenous treatment to keep blood sugar levels up and blood acid levels down during an illness, children can develop normally. Parents must be alert to early signs of illness. Additional treatments may vary, but can include avoidance of protein-rich diets and long-term treatment with bicarbonate.


Fatty Acid Oxidation Disorders
This group of disorders is characterized by inherited defects of enzymes needed to convert fat into energy. When the body runs out of glucose (sugar), it normally breaks down fat to support production of alternate fuels (ketones) in the liver. Because individuals with these disorders have a block in this pathway, their cells suffer an energy crisis when they run out of glucose. This is most likely to occur when an individual is ill or skips meals. Without treatment, the brain and many organs can be affected, sometimes progressing to coma and death.

MCAD = Medium-chain acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 25,000(1)

Seemingly well infants and children can suddenly develop seizures (caused by low blood sugar), liver failure, coma, and death. Identifying affected children before they become ill is vital to preventing a crisis and averting these consequences. Treatment includes avoidance of fasting and nutritional supplements.

VLCAD = Very long-chain acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

Symptoms can first appear at any age from the newborn period through adulthood, but tend to be most severe in infants. Without treatment, affected infants often develop heart and liver failure and die during the first year of life. Treatment includes a high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet, nutritional supplements, avoidance of fasting and prolonged exercise.

LCHAD = Long-chain 3-OH acyl-CoA dehydrogenase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

Symptoms can begin soon after birth, resulting in heart, lung or liver failure and death. In other cases, symptoms such as low muscle tone, developmental delay, heart, lung or liver failure may develop later in infancy or childhood, most likely following an illness. Early diagnosis and treatment effectively prevent life-threatening events, though some children may still develop symptoms. Treatment includes a high-carbohydrate/low-fat diet, nutritional supplements, and avoidance of fasting. Women who are pregnant with fetuses with LCHAD are at increased risk of developing acute fatty liver of pregnancy and other pregnancy complications.

TFP = Trifunctional protein deficiency
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

A seemingly healthy infant can die suddenly of what appears to be sudden infant death syndrome. Other infants may develop low muscle tone, seizures, heart failure and coma, often following an illness. Treatment is based on strict avoidance of fasting, a low-fat diet and nutritional supplements.

CUD = Carnitine uptake defect
Incidence: less than 1 in 100,000(1)

Due to a missing transporter, cells cannot bring in carnitine from the blood. Carnitine is needed for the transfer of fatty acids across the membranes of the mitochondria (cellular organelles that produce energy for the cell). Symptoms include episodes of hypoglycemia (low blood sugar) and sudden unexpected death in infancy. Older children may present with progressive heart failure. Early diagnosis and treatment with carnitine permits normal development.


Hemoglobinopathies
These inherited diseases of red blood cells result in varying degrees of anemia (shortage of red blood cells), serious infections, pain episodes, and damage to vital organs. The symptoms are caused by abnormal kinds and/or amounts of hemoglobin, the main protein inside red blood cells that carries oxygen from the lungs and takes it to every part of the body. In the sickling disorders, an abnormal hemoglobin called HbS can cause some red blood cells to become stiff and abnormally shaped. The stiffer red blood cells can get stuck in tiny blood vessels, causing pain and sometimes organ damage. The severity of these disorders varies greatly from one person to the next.

Hb SS = Sickle cell anemia
Incidence: greater than 1 in 5,000(1); higher incidence among African-Americans (1 in 400)(2)

A blood disease that can cause severe pain, damage to the vital organs, stroke, and sometimes death in childhood. Young children with sickle cell anemia are especially prone to dangerous bacterial infections such as pneumonia and meningitis. Vigilant medical care and treatment with penicillin, beginning in infancy, can dramatically reduce the risk of these adverse effects and the deaths that can result from them. Affected babies should receive all regular childhood vaccinations (including hemophilus influenza B and pneumococcal vaccines) to help prevent serious bacterial infections. Additional treatments may vary according to severity of symptoms, but may include intermittent pain medications and regular blood transfusions.

Hb S/Th = Hb S/Beta-Thalassemia
Incidence: greater than 1 in 50,000(1)

In this form of sickle cell anemia, the child inherits one sickle cell gene and one gene for beta thalassemia, another inherited anemia. Symptoms are often milder than for Hb SS, though severity varies among affected children. Routine treatment with penicillin may not be recommended for all affected children.(3)

Hb S/C = Hb S/C disease
Incidence: greater than 1 in 25,000(1)

Another form of sickle cell disease, in which the child inherits one sickle cell gene and one gene for another abnormal type of hemoglobin called HbC. As with Hb S/Th, this form is often milder the Hb SS and routine penicillin treatment may not be recommended.(3)


Others
This mixed group of disorders includes some diseases that are inherited and others that are not genetic. This group of disorders varies greatly in severity, from mild to life-threatening.

CH = Congenital hypothyroidism
Incidence: greater than 1 in 5,000(1)

This thyroid hormone deficiency severely retards both growth and brain development. If detected soon after birth, the condition can be treated simply with oral doses of thyroid hormone to permit normal development.

BIOT = Biotinidase deficiency
Incidence: greater than 1 in 75,000(1)

Biotinidase is the enzyme that recycles the vitamin biotin. An inherited deficiency of this enzyme may cause serious complications, including frequent infections, uncoordinated movement, hearing loss, seizures, and mental retardation. Undiagnosed and untreated, the deficiency can lead to coma and death. If the condition is detected soon after birth, these problems can be completely prevented with daily oral doses of biotin.

CAH = Congenital adrenal hyperplasia
Incidence: greater than 1 in 25,000(1)

CAH refers to a set of inherited disorders resulting from defects in the synthesis of hormones produced by the adrenal gland. In female infants, CAH sometimes results in masculinization of the genitals. Certain severe forms of CAH cause life-threatening salt loss from the body if undetected and untreated. Treatment includes salt replacement and hormone replacement.

GALT = Classical galactosemia
Incidence: greater than 1 in 50,000(1)

Affected babies are missing the liver enzyme needed to convert galactose, a major sugar from the breakdown of lactose in milk, into glucose, another simple sugar that the body can use. Galactose then accumulates in and damages vital organs, leading to blindness, severe mental retardation, infection, and death. Milk and other dairy products must be eliminated from the baby’s diet for life. Though treatment dramatically improves the outlook for affected infants, there is still some risk of developmental delays.

HEAR = Hearing loss
Incidence: greater than 1 in 5,000(1); up to 3-4 per 1,000 newborns(4)

Without early testing, most babies with hearing loss are not diagnosed until 2 or 3 years of age. By this time, they often have delayed speech and language development. Early diagnosis allows use of hearing aids by 6 months of age, helping prevent serious speech and language problems.

CF = Cystic fibrosis
Incidence: greater than 1 in 5,000(1)

Cystic fibrosis is one of the most common inherited disorders in the U.S. Abnormalities in the cystic fibrosis protein result in lung and digestive problems, and death at an average age of 30-35 years. Studies suggest that early diagnosis and treatment improves the growth of babies and children with CF. Treatment varies depending on severity of symptoms, but may include a high-calorie diet supplemented with vitamins and medications to improve digestion, respiratory therapy to help clear mucus from the lungs, and medications to improve breathing and prevent lung infections.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:00 AM
Jiggly :eek: I hope you didn't actually read all of that :help:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:07 AM
Jiggly :eek: I hope you didn't actually read all of that :help:
i did read all of it :) :lol:

that said, for something that long i just highlight it and click option-s and this voice on my mac reads it outloud at 4x speed. so i cheated. its boring. the short version is that you should test your new baby for everything you can afford to test for because theres a treatment for like mad stuff if you find it early. blah blah blah. common sense really.

switz
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:09 AM
Does Tom Cruise do anything by normal standards? He probably believe the God of scientology protects his follower's children from all those diseases :lol:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:10 AM
the name of the voice is Victoria. shes old. voice has been around since 1995 or something like that. there are newer better voices but they cost like $200 a piece. Victoria is free and easy so i like her. :lol: :rolls:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:11 AM
Does Tom Cruise do anything by normal standards? He probably believe the God of scientology protects his follower's children from all those diseases :lol:
i dont know about all that, just saying that "doctors make home calls" is not such an easy answer as you claimed before that is all. :)

Erika_Angel
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:13 AM
Call Me Crazy But I Don't Think Katie Holmes Was Ever Pregnant

You're sooo not crazy .... you're actually very sane :)

Sally Struthers
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:14 AM
Word on the street is that either there is no baby or that the wacko scientologists are raising her to be a sort of Messiah figure for them behind closed doors. fucking loonies

switz
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:24 AM
i dont know about all that, just saying that "doctors make home calls" is not such an easy answer as you claimed before that is all. :)

yes well i must admit as a 22 year old uni student i'm not up on the procedures for testing new borns for illnesses :lol:

i happen to know however that in many natural home births they never take the baby to a hospital. and if this baby exists it was to be a "home" birth according to the rules of scientology :)

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:26 AM
yes well i must admit as a 22 year old uni student i'm not up on the procedures for testing new borns for illnesses :lol:

i happen to know however that in many natural home births they never take the baby to a hospital. and if this baby exists it was to be a "home" birth according to the rules of scientology :)
ok :)

well the only thing i know about newborns is that they are usually not very cute. :lol: :tape:

rebel_ffighter
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:36 AM
of course she wasn't, not at least from a closeted gay husband Tommy...:p

:lol:

TF Chipmunk
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:38 AM
ok :)

well the only thing i know about newborns is that they are usually not very cute. :lol: :tape:You should see my aunt/uncle's new daughter :tape: I hope it doesn't always look like that :unsure:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:50 AM
You should see my aunt/uncle's new daughter :tape: I hope it doesn't always look like that :unsure:
:lol: :lol: :lol: :tape: :tape:
MOST dont. but some do and that is NOT cute.

TF Chipmunk
Jul 14th, 2006, 08:59 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :tape: :tape:
MOST dont. but some do and that is NOT cute.Well I'm hoping that it gets better because I'll have to see it everyday before I go off to college :o That's the only thing I'm afraid of if I were to have a baby in the future: I hope I don't get repulsed by its natural ugliness as a newborn :o I'll love it throughout its toddler years though! :p

Sam L
Jul 14th, 2006, 09:02 AM
Suri does not exist
Dun dun dun!

You know lizchris you make good points. I'm convinced.

Kart
Jul 14th, 2006, 11:16 AM
sure they have the money but how could tests like some of these go on without anyone noticing deliveries of the kinds of equipment needed to perform them?


You'd only need a few drops of blood to test for most of those conditions so I'm not sure they'd need a whole lot of equipment.

That said, I love Tom Cruise conspiracies so please don't let me stop any of you ;).

ceiling_fan
Jul 14th, 2006, 11:21 AM
great thread! it seemed like an impossibility, but after reading the facts its probably true!

bee
Jul 14th, 2006, 01:17 PM
No matter how weird Tom is.. I don't think Katie would be stupid enough to fake her own pregnancy.... :) :)

LoveFifteen
Jul 14th, 2006, 02:30 PM
No matter how weird Tom is.. I don't think Katie would be stupid enough to fake her own pregnancy.... :) :)

She seems totally brain-washed. They got to her.

Kunal
Jul 14th, 2006, 02:38 PM
yeap ur crazy

lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 02:45 PM
yes how could Tom Cruise afford to have a doctor who makes house calls :lol: (1)

I don't doubt for a second that they are a very odd couple but i don't buy into this conspiracy theory about there being no baby. You're far from the first person to suggest it.

After all the shit they got for doing the publicity before the baby was born it's hardly surprising he's now ultra cautious about it.

I feel sorry for the baby if it does exist though.

I feel the most sympathy for his adopted children - imagine being stuck in the middle of their parents weird lives.(2)

(1) Doctors have stopped making house calls in the US, even to rich people
(2) That's why they are now living in Nashville with their mother and new stepfather.:angel:

lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 02:51 PM
http://www.thecelebritydatabase.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69732&d=1147913765

http://www.thecelebritydatabase.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=69733&d=1147913765

Did they fake the stretch marks, too?

I don't see anything but a sign in for a message board.

CondiLicious
Jul 14th, 2006, 02:53 PM
It's one big freak show.

Albireo
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:00 PM
I don't see anything but a sign in for a message board.


Wondered about that. Give me a minute....

Albireo
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:03 PM
I don't see anything but a sign in for a message board.

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/katie-holmes-stretch-marks47.jpg

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/katie-holmes-stretch-marks45.jpg

I guess they faked the stretch marks....

lizchris
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:06 PM
http://images5.theimagehosting.com/katie-holmes-stretch-marks47.jpg

http://images5.theimagehosting.com/katie-holmes-stretch-marks45.jpg

I guess they faked the stretch marks....

They could be; make-up artists in Hollywood are great.

LoveFifteen
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:07 PM
I found a pic of baby Suri.

http://elastral.iespana.es/elastral/ufo/alienimg/baby_alien.jpg

~Cherry*Blossom~
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:08 PM
Word on the street is that either there is no baby or that the wacko scientologists are raising her to be a sort of Messiah figure for them behind closed doors. fucking loonies

Like Rosemary's Baby :scared:

Albireo
Jul 14th, 2006, 03:16 PM
They could be; make-up artists in Hollywood are great.

And they're going to do a make-up job on her stomach just in case it gets exposed to the paparazzi? I think you're giving the kooks too much credit.

alfonsojose
Jul 14th, 2006, 04:25 PM
I found a pic of baby Suri.

http://elastral.iespana.es/elastral/ufo/alienimg/baby_alien.jpg
:haha: :haha: Zenu has to be proud. It's exactly like him :tape:

Wigglytuff
Jul 14th, 2006, 05:29 PM
You'd only need a few drops of blood to test for most of those conditions so I'm not sure they'd need a whole lot of equipment.

That said, I love Tom Cruise conspiracies so please don't let me stop any of you ;).
most, but not all :devil:

yeah and about the shock of her belly that someone else posted. unclothed bellies of pregnant women gross me 100% of the time. this pic however does not. i know its not best reason or the most solid proof, but my bet is there is nothing in there, as i am not grossed out by that image. :)

kosmikgroove
Jul 14th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Like Rosemary's Baby :scared:

that would make Suri the Son of Satan (Tom Cruise)!

Slumpsova
Jul 14th, 2006, 05:57 PM
OMFG :eek: :tape:
good point :yeah: