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Maryamator
Jul 12th, 2006, 04:14 PM
its probably been posted before i was just surfing the net and i found it:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/5650/note5qb.jpg

i dont really understand the hand writting except the alst part.. R.I.P kurt

Sweep
Jul 12th, 2006, 04:15 PM
I think he was pretty high on heroin before he shot himself, hence the illegible handwriting.

Viktymise
Jul 12th, 2006, 04:19 PM
I can read bits of it but it makes little sense he was definatley high on something, quiet sad really

Dirty Sanchez
Jul 12th, 2006, 05:34 PM
Yeah, I've read it many times. If you read it all you just see he was a very confused guy, poor bloke.

Pheobo
Jul 12th, 2006, 06:43 PM
<3 Kurt

rebel_ffighter
Jul 12th, 2006, 06:46 PM
Kurt :sad:

Helen Lawson
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:18 PM
I can't understand why someone with tens of millions of dollars commits suicide. Can't a little trip to Tahiti solve all your problems?

Maryamator
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:25 PM
I can't understand why someone with tens of millions of dollars commits suicide. Can't a little trip to Tahiti solve all your problems?
maybe money wasnt so important to him

!<blocparty>!
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:35 PM
It's being posted now... why? :confused:

Sally Struthers
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:40 PM
I can't understand why someone with tens of millions of dollars commits suicide. Can't a little trip to Tahiti solve all your problems?


It's a conspiracy. Courtney Love killed him :o

Helen Lawson
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:44 PM
It's a conspiracy. Courtney Love killed him :o

I might kill for that kind of money!

Sweep
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:45 PM
maybe money wasnt so important to him

I read he traded in his old Volvo for a Lexus, and then a week later promptly swapped it back, saying he felt uncomfortable.

So you're probably right - he didn't care much for money.

furrykitten
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:46 PM
Very sad to read.. :sad:

Helen Lawson
Jul 12th, 2006, 07:46 PM
I read he traded in his old Volvo for a Lexus, and then a week later promptly swapped it back, saying he felt uncomfortable.

So you're probably right - he didn't care much for money.

Yes, but you can use your money to feel better, like take a trip or see a shrink.

Number19
Jul 13th, 2006, 04:07 AM
maybe money wasnt so important to him


Apparently his daughter wasn't either.

There was so many outs for him, other than suicide.

I honestly don't undersatnd how anyone can respect him and say that he is their hero, or something.

If you like his music - fine... but what an asshole Kurt Cobain was.

Milito22
Jul 13th, 2006, 04:36 AM
KURT :sobbing:

Kunal
Jul 13th, 2006, 06:47 AM
all the great artists perish like this

really ticks me off

Grohl
Jul 13th, 2006, 06:58 AM
I can't understand why someone with tens of millions of dollars commits suicide. Can't a little trip to Tahiti solve all your problems?
like money could solve all problems :rolleyes:

Grohl
Jul 13th, 2006, 07:01 AM
Yes, but you can use your money to feel better, like take a trip or see a shrink.
i guess he thought his problems couldn't be solved by anybody...

Grohl
Jul 13th, 2006, 07:04 AM
Apparently his daughter wasn't either.

There was so many outs for him, other than suicide.

I honestly don't undersatnd how anyone can respect him and say that he is their hero, or something.

If you like his music - fine... but what an asshole Kurt Cobain was.
his daughter was the most important thing in his life!
Suicide is never the right way to solve your problems,
but as he says at the end of his letter, he thinks her life would be much better if he wasn't around,
and i know what life can be like with a troubled dad, so i respect (i don't agree, i respect) his choice!

Kunal
Jul 13th, 2006, 07:05 AM
Tahiti.....how id like to be there right now for my summer holidays

Justeenium
Jul 13th, 2006, 10:50 AM
kurt never committed suicide. he was killed by courtney and the extra words at the end of the note were scrawled by her.

Maryamator
Jul 13th, 2006, 10:52 AM
kurt never committed suicide. he was killed by courtney and the extra words at the end of the note were scrawled by her.

omg really or r u just guessing:scratch:

Grohl
Jul 13th, 2006, 11:20 AM
omg really or r u just guessing:scratch:
that's just one of the theories about his death

>>krew<<
Jul 13th, 2006, 01:48 PM
Mmm Cobain is god :)

RatedR Superstar
Jul 14th, 2006, 05:40 AM
Apparently his daughter wasn't either.

There was so many outs for him, other than suicide.

I honestly don't undersatnd how anyone can respect him and say that he is their hero, or something.

If you like his music - fine... but what an asshole Kurt Cobain was.

he is a hero not because he commited a suicide, but because of his song writing ability and the fact that his life was a success story (but ended tragically though) he was a loser/outcast back in highschool and became one of the biggest rockstar ever, he change the image of rockmusic in the 90's.he was a hero even before he killed himself

suicide is wrong but he had mental issues, he didnt like the fame he got, he didnt like being worshiped by many, he got stomach problems that haunted him thru out his life, he got drug problems..he was on a suicide watch prior to his death..yes he was an asshole for living his daughter, but with all his problem, it was just a matter of time before he killed himself..

Maryamator
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:41 AM
maybe he also wanted to live a normal life.. maybe his past also effected him in some way

Pheobo
Jul 14th, 2006, 07:47 AM
Oh god. On a tennis board I thought I could get away from all the crazy "courtnee killd kurt!11111" conspiricists.

And then the ones who think that Kurt wrote all of Courtney's songs...those are even worse :rolleyes: Kurt even stated once that Courtney helped him write quite a few songs of his.

Please, I'm sorry your hero or whatever killed himself, but you would think that it would be somewhat expected given that he had tried to kill himself a few weeks prior. And when he was locked up in rehab he actually jumped the wall and left to go off himself, when Courtney wasn't even aware that he had left the rehab center.

Don't get me wrong, Kurt's music helped me through a lot of hard times way back when, and he's my favorite guitarist of ever, so I am not a "hater", but don't try to push it off on Courtney. She's had enough trouble of her own, without all that.

ceiling_fan
Jul 14th, 2006, 10:25 AM
I can't understand why someone with tens of millions of dollars commits suicide. Can't a little trip to Tahiti solve all your problems?

thats where i think its interesting...

anyway, this thread has inspired me to make a poll :p

Mr_Molik
Jul 14th, 2006, 11:05 AM
so sad

ceiling_fan
Jul 14th, 2006, 11:18 AM
apparently the last 4 lines were written by someone else, not Kurt.

It seems a likely story though, why would they keep writing AFTER kurt had signed his name off. hmm...

Number19
Jul 15th, 2006, 05:00 AM
he is a hero not because he commited a suicide,


sadly, to some misguided souls he is.

and the fact that his life was a success story (but ended tragically though) he was a loser/outcast back in highschool and became one of the biggest rockstar ever

why does someone have to have many people's respect to be successful. If a great songwriter doesn't become "successful" and become a "rock star" does that mean they are still a "loser/outcast" and they aren't important.

he change the image of rockmusic in the 90's

He didn't have that much to do with that. He was just a guy playing music who happened to be in the right place and time when that change was going to happen anyways. The music industry was seeing the previous image was getting stale and realized they needed something "fresh." It's marketing and they needed something accessible and still in the metal/hard rock vein. Music changed back in 1984. Nobody was paying much attention, and the major labels didn't know how to market these bands. And they were too uncomprimising. Not that Kurt was a sellout. But he sure didn't do anything to stop it.

.he was a hero even before he killed himself

suicide is wrong but he had mental issues, he didnt like the fame he got, he didnt like being worshiped by many, he got stomach problems that haunted him thru out his life, he got drug problems..he was on a suicide watch prior to his death..yes he was an asshole for living his daughter, but with all his problem, it was just a matter of time before he killed himself.

everybody's got their problems

RatedR Superstar
Jul 15th, 2006, 08:25 AM
sadly, to some misguided souls he is.
sadly, to some misguided souls like you thinks that his death is the only reason he became a hero

why does someone have to have many people's respect to be successful. If a great songwriter doesn't become "successful" and become a "rock star" does that mean they are still a "loser/outcast" and they aren't important.

nope, and dont twist my message. we're talking about the success story of kurt here not any regular people. there are a lot of successful people out there who used to be an outcast/loser; businessman, doctor, lawyer, or songwriters, but are they famous?

remember, the point here is why kurt became a hero in the first place..

what kurt did to his life (before he killed himself) was amazing..many rockers where an outcast back in highschool, kurt was an inspiration to many.

He didn't have that much to do with that. He was just a guy playing music who happened to be in the right place and time when that change was going to happen anyways. The music industry was seeing the previous image was getting stale and realized they needed something "fresh." It's marketing and they needed something accessible and still in the metal/hard rock vein. Music changed back in 1984. Nobody was paying much attention, and the major labels didn't know how to market these bands. And they were too uncomprimising. Not that Kurt was a sellout. But he sure didn't do anything to stop it.


back in the early to late 90's, rockmusics image is all about leather, spandex, long guitar solo, glamorous lifestyle..kurt, together with nirvana, change it all, they started the seatle music scene..

Number19
Jul 15th, 2006, 06:52 PM
[QUOTE]sadly, to some misguided souls like you thinks that his death is the only reason he became a hero

no, I don't believe it's the reason he's a hero to most, but to some he is.



nope, and dont twist my message. we're talking about the success story of kurt here not any regular people. there are a lot of successful people out there who used to be an outcast/loser; businessman, doctor, lawyer, or songwriters, but are they famous?

remember, the point here is why kurt became a hero in the first place..

I, still, don't get why he's famous? Other than people like his music, and he burned out before fading away.

what kurt did to his life (before he killed himself) was amazing..many rockers where an outcast back in highschool, kurt was an inspiration to many.

so were other already famous musicians like Bruce Springsteen, who was considered very weird in high school


back in the early to late 90's, rockmusics image is all about leather, spandex, long guitar solo, glamorous lifestyle..kurt, together with nirvana, change it all, they started the seatle music scene..

Mudhoney has more to do with starting the Seattle scene. And Nirvana just changed the mainstream. All of that is just image and bullshit either way. I don't care what Kurt wore or had his hair, its still rock music.

When Nirvana started becoming famous in 1991(btw, I was 14 just starting high school then), I didn't think it was new or great. Nirvana is good, don't get me wrong. But they were nothing great to me as I'd already heard other band's like in the video posted which is from before Kurt even formed Nirvana. Hell, its from before Bon Jovi even released Slippery When Wet. This band may not be famous but they are one of the greatest and influential, led by the greatest guitarist of the past 25 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lpOyo5Ce0

RatedR Superstar
Jul 16th, 2006, 02:24 AM
[QUOTE]no, I don't believe it's the reason he's a hero to most, but to some he is.

then thats their problem, not mine, but all im saying is that he is a hero to most people even before he killed himself, and if you still gonna belive it your way, then thats your problem

I, still, don't get why he's famous? Other than people like his music, and he burned out before fading away.

He said that in his suicide note, if youre smart enough to know what it really means then i shouldnt even try explaining that to you, but seeing that youre not that smart then ill probably explain it. it means its better to die young and famous than to be old and forgoten, he was also comparing himself to the great lead singer of the doors and the great jimmy hendrix who died young and famous too..

and if you still dont know why he's famous, then we shoudnt even be having this debate, coz clearly, you dont really know this guy

so were other already famous musicians like Bruce Springsteen, who was considered very weird in high school
but kurt came into a different generation, you think kids at that time are listening to bruce? kurt, somehow, connected to this kids, thats why he is famous


Mudhoney has more to do with starting the Seattle scene. And Nirvana just changed the mainstream. All of that is just image and bullshit either way. I don't care what Kurt wore or had his hair, its still rock music.

i wasnt literally saying that nirvana started it, nirvana, with their popularity, change the music scene, they opened the doors to grunge music to mainstream, they started the change coz of that

When Nirvana started becoming famous in 1991(btw, I was 14 just starting high school then), I didn't think it was new or great. Nirvana is good, don't get me wrong. But they were nothing great to me as I'd already heard other band's like in the video posted which is from before Kurt even formed Nirvana. Hell, its from before Bon Jovi even released Slippery When Wet. This band may not be famous but they are one of the greatest and influential, led by the greatest guitarist of the past 25 years:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-lpOyo5Ce0

i thought you said you didnt know why he's famous, if nirvana was famous, then kurt would have been famous too coz he is the frontman of the band, dave grohl was just a quiet dude back then..and the band at that video you posted wasnt even close as good as nirvana, theyre not even as good as the screaming trees, alice in chains and pearl jam..and bon jovi sucks anyway, any real rockers knows that