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harloo
Jul 1st, 2006, 02:01 AM
Katrina looters get 15 years in prison






KENNER, Louisiana (AP) -- Three people convicted of hauling away liquor, wine and beer from a grocery store after Hurricane Katrina were sentenced Wednesday to 15 years in prison.

The judge said he wanted to send a message that looting would not be tolerated when he gave the maximum sentence to Coralnelle Little, 36, Rhonda McGowen, 42, and Paul C. Pearson, 36, all of Kenner.

A jury convicted the trio May 2 on a portion of the state's looting law that took effect two weeks before the Aug. 29 storm. The amended law set a three-year minimum sentence, and a maximum of 15 years in prison, for looting during a declared state of emergency.

They were convicted of attempting to leave the grocery with 27 bottles of liquor and wine, six cases of beer and one case of wine coolers, six days after Katrina made landfall.

Little, McGowen and Pearson each testified that they were not looting, but they offered conflicting accounts of matters such as who drove to the store.

Pearson's attorney, Bruce Netterville, said the sentence and conviction would be appealed.

"We believe the sentence is excessive," said Netterville.

Attorneys for the other defendants agreed.

Andrew..
Jul 1st, 2006, 02:11 AM
15 years really isn't 15 years though. ;)

Still, severe punishment, but totally legal. While I think they should be punished, I'm much more concerned with those who scammed the people of New Orleans, the State of Louisiana, and the United States out of millions of dollars in Katrina-related fraud.

Jakeev
Jul 1st, 2006, 10:05 AM
Can someone tell me why I am having a problem with this? Just seems like there are others they could be throwing the book at that did worse crimes then this.........

Wigglytuff
Jul 1st, 2006, 01:19 PM
i think its pretty sick that convicted murders and the like routine walk away with months, and bullshit like this gets like 10X the time.

not saying the should walk away scott free. but you know its sick the way the worst criminals get the lightest sentences. or get of early because there is no space in jail because you know they cant keep murders in jail for 15 years because they need the slots for looters blah.

*JR*
Jul 1st, 2006, 02:41 PM
i think its pretty sick that convicted murders and the like routine walk away with months...
I agree that 15 years for looting is crazy, but re. your typical baseless rhetoric quoted here, as usual you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. :rolleyes:

Lord Nelson
Jul 1st, 2006, 02:59 PM
They should estimate themselves to be lucky. In some nations thiefs have their hands chopped off like in my favourite coutry, Saudi Arabia.

Helen Lawson
Jul 3rd, 2006, 04:50 PM
They need to save these maximum sentences for people who looted TVs and electronics, etc. If my house was destroyed, there's 10 feet of water everywhere, and I'm living like at the Astrodome, I think I deserve to turn to the bottle and loot some liquor.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:06 PM
I agree that 15 years for looting is crazy, but re. your typical baseless rhetoric quoted here, as usual you don't know what the fuck you're talking about. :rolleyes:
oh my god you are such an idiot. not only that you dont have to balls to finish what you started. you know all i have to say to you is fucked off and die, you xenophobic bastard. :wavey:
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now for posters who have brains, this is just a sampling of some of the insanely light sentences given to murders and other violent criminals.

Man gets probation in gang death at fair
Judge issues sentence on manslaughter plea

BY SCHUYLER KROPF
The Post and Courier

A man who beat a bystander to death during a gang fight at the Coastal Carolina Fair won't be going to jail.

Instead, 20-year-old Brock McGlothlin was sentenced as a youthful offender to five years of probation Thursday for involuntary manslaughter.

Moments afterward, the family of victim Donald Chesser Jr., 21, said the light sentence issued by Circuit Judge Kenneth Goode was an outrage.

"You're in there with a murderer," one family member yelled as McGlothlin prepared to ride the elevator out of the Charleston County Judicial Center.

Chesser, of Ravenel, was at the annual fair on the night of Nov. 5, 2004, with four gang member friends when the group ran into five members of a rival Ladson-area street gang. Their feud had been going on for some time, police said.

By all accounts, Chesser was not a member of either gang but was simply tagging along that night.

Tensions flared and Michael Chaplin, one of Chesser's relatives, flashed a gun, sparking a melee in the fair midway, according to prosecutors.

As Chesser was walking away from the fight, McGlothlin attacked him, severely beating him to the ground, according to police.

When authorities arrived, the scene at the normally family-friendly fair was so gruesome, they first thought Chesser had been shot in the face.

Chesser fell into a coma. He died the next day. Authorities aren't sure whether the force of McGlothlin's blows caused Chesser's spinal cord injuries or the impact of his head landing on the pavement.

McGlothlin originally was charged with murder. The charge was later changed by prosecutors to involuntary manslaughter.

Whereas murder is the intentional taking of a life, involuntary manslaughter is defined as the "unintentional killing of another without malice but while engaged in an unlawful activity not naturally tending to cause death."

McGlothlin spent about six months in jail until his bail could be arranged.

On Thursday, he tearfully apologized to the Chesser family as he pleaded guilty.

"I am so, so sorry," he said. "I wish I just would have ran away."

McGlothlin's lawyer, public defender Beattie Butler, said the lesser charge was appropriate for the scenario.

"This was never a murder case, ever," he said.

Chesser's family said justice was not served by letting McGlothlin go free. Deborah White, Chesser's aunt, said the lack of jail time sends a signal to gang members that they can kill during a street fight, express remorse and go free.

"He's not sorry. He didn't look at us," she said.

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Apology wanted for light sentence in stabbing
By Chuck Rabin

More than a year after being stalked and stabbed, brothers Jose and Raul Rodriguez are still recuperating -- while their attacker is living comfortably in northern Florida after serving only two days in jail.

Jose Armenteros is said to be complying fully with the terms of his probation. And if he continues on his path, he could be free and cleared of any charges in two years -- even as the Rodriguez brothers continue recovering from their injuries.

The light sentence imposed on Armenteros is an injustice that may have been avoided if not for an inexcusable bureaucratic blunder by the state attorney's office.

''There was a mistake made,'' said state attorney spokesman Ed Griffith.

``The problem with the law is you can't erase it. We have deeply apologized. There has been a screw-up.''

In March 2005, Jose, 19, and Raul, 20, were knifed by Armenteros after an argument on their way home from a Miami Heat game.

The argument started on the Metromover while the brothers were en route to the Brickell station from AmericanAirlines Arena. During the ride, the two men exchanged angry words with Armenteros about the abilities of former Heat guard Eddie Jones.

The three scuffled on the Brickell platform, were split up, and about 10 minutes later Jose and Raul were making their way to their car when Armenteros confronted them in the street.

ARREST

Jose was stabbed in the stomach and hand, Raul in the back.

Police found Armenteros at his home the next day. He was later arrested and charged with two counts of attempted first-degree murder.

Less than 48 hours later, Armenteros was out on bail. Eventually the charges were reduced to two counts of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon, for which Armenteros gladly agreed to three years probation with the possibility of his record being cleared by 2008.

The Rodriguez brothers got an apology from the assistant state attorney who offered the plea.

But that apology does not help the tendons in Jose Rodriguez's damaged hand heal any faster.

Here's why, according to the mother of the two boys and a close-out memo of the case from the state attorney's office:

The case was originally prosecuted by Assistant State Attorney Joseph Mansfield, who over the course of almost a year had little if any contact with the victims or their mother.

NEW PROSECUTOR

Some time around February of this year, Assistant State Attorney Alison Haney took over the prosecution. She was in contact with the brothers' mother, Edna Morales-Rodriguez.

But for some reason on April 18 -- following a status conference with Miami-Dade Circuit Judge Rosa Rodriguez -- Haney left believing the case would be continued in two weeks.

That same day, Rodriguez, for some reason, ordered Mansfield into her courtroom and questioned him -- even though he no longer had anything to do with the case.

Mansfield -- instead of telling the judge he was off the case -- told the judge of a previous plea offer.

Armenteros quickly accepted, then scooted. Neither the victims nor their mother were in the courtroom.

`BEHIND OUR BACK'

''It was done totally behind our back,'' Morales-Rodriguez said, adding she wanted Armenteros prosecuted to the full extent of the law. ``We were never contacted about the plea agreement.''

Reaching agreements with criminals without the knowledge of the offended is not a particularly uncommon practice for cases involving minor infractions; it's less common for stabbings.

This was clearly a mix-up by the state attorney's office. But that doesn't make it any more bearable to the Rodriguez brothers.

Morales-Rodriguez is realistic: She knows Armenteros can't be prosecuted again. Mansfield has apologized to her, but she would like an apology from a higher authority, State Attorney Katherine Fernández Rundle.

''I want her to come to my children. My children are angry,'' Morales-Rodriguez said.

They have a right to be angry. They also have a right to hear from the state attorney.
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and thats i cant even find the article about the man who KILLED a boy and left another with massive injuries in nyc about 3 years ago and got 3 months in jail in NYC.

*JR*
Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:20 PM
oh my god you are such an idiot. not only that you dont have to balls to finish what you started. you know all i have to say to you is fucked off and die, you xenophobic bastard. :wavey:

.........

and thats i cant even find the article about the man who KILLED a boy and left another with massive injuries in nyc about 3 years ago and got 3 months in jail in NYC.
Since xenophobic means prejudiced against other groups, it doesn't even fit as an insult here, though you're too dumb to realize that. (Oh, I forgot, your IQ is in higher than that of 99.99999% of all human beings who ever lived). :o

I agree that there are cases like this where manslaughter sentences, etc. are inappropriately light. But your initial post made it sound like those convicted of murder routinely get "months, not years".

Which is simply untrue. Incidentally, re. my alleged "xenophobia", I agreed in my earlier post that 15 years for looting was out of proportion to the offense. Now go take your Valium. :tape:

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:32 PM
Since xenophobic means prejudiced against other groups, it doesn't even fit as an insult here, though you're too dumb to realize that. (Oh, I forgot, your IQ is in higher than that of 99.99999% of all human beings who ever lived). :o

I agree that there are cases like this where manslaughter sentences, etc. are inappropriately light. But your initial post made it sound like those convicted of murder routinely get "months, not years".

Which is simply untrue. Incidentally, re. my alleged "xenophobia", I agreed in my earlier post that 15 years for looting was out of proportion to the offense. Now go take your Valium. :tape:
actually it does, dont think i have forgotten your claim that because english is not my first language (i.e. i am a "foreigner") it is impossible for me to be intelligent. its clear that you are unwilling to give me a fax number where i can send you my IQ test, which i have said was more than happy to do, but you insist on making these xenophobic statements, and making other completely idiotic statements (such as that murders and other violent criminals don't routinely walk away with months, in your world this is something that doesn't happen. in the real world it does, all the time).

you are a coward with a mouth 4 times the size of your brain. and NO ONE can talk reason, logic, or facts with such people. the place for you is in the ignore list. so fuck off. :wavey:

*JR*
Jul 3rd, 2006, 07:49 PM
actually it does, dont think i have forgotten your claim that because english is not my first language (i.e. i am a "foreigner") it is impossible for me to be intelligent.
For the rest of you :lol: let me make clear what I DID say on that point. I had NOT known that Jellybrains wasn't a native English speaker, and made fun of the wording of one of her countless silly insults by mocking its poor grammar. Now she may be is :tape: an angry blithering idiot, but she could surely tell (if she wanted to) that I said nothing like what's alleged avove. :rolleyes:

"Topaz"
Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:39 PM
I'm pretty sure all three are African-American. Keep "them" away and do it under the law! :rolleyes:
I remember vaguely some majority group people, who were doing just about the same thing, were actually praised for showing initiative and survival skills. I believe they were lifting beer and bottled water.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:47 PM
I'm pretty sure all three are African-American. Keep "them" away and do it under the law! :rolleyes:
I remember vaguely some majority group people, who were doing just about the same thing, were actually praised for showing initiative and survival skills. I believe they were lifting beer and bottled water.

ah yes the black loot white find.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4772/blackloot7xf.jpg
blacks loot

but white people (according the same source on the same day) find, not loot.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5955/whitefind5cu.jpg

Diam's
Jul 3rd, 2006, 08:55 PM
(according the same source on the same day) find, not loot.

I see two sources :
Associated Press (AP) and Agence France Presse (AFP)
:confused:

furrykitten
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:00 PM
How come when someone posts a thread it gets taken over by people who want to argue amongst themselves, take the argument to PM , leave the threads alone for people who want to discuss the real subject!!!

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:08 PM
I see two sources :
Associated Press (AP) and Agence France Presse (AFP)
:confused:
i meant yahoo news which was where both the images were posted one after the other on that day.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:09 PM
How come when someone posts a thread it gets taken over by people who want to argue amongst themselves, take the argument to PM , leave the threads alone for people who want to discuss the real subject!!!
and what have you said about the subject? :)

RVD
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:13 PM
I'm pretty sure all three are African-American. Keep "them" away and do it under the law! :rolleyes:
I remember vaguely some majority group people, who were doing just about the same thing, were actually praised for showing initiative and survival skills. I believe they were lifting beer and bottled water.DAMN! You beat me to the punch. :lol: I was gonna post the same article.

This is yet more proof that the law in America only really applies to 'some'. :hehehe:
Different standards exist for different ethnic groups.

In fact, this brings to mind an old conversation I had with an older gentleman. He told me something that I didn't quite comprehend at the time, which was that the original intent of U.S. law was to suppress and harass (in most cases by killing) Blacks and Latinos, and protect Whites only. After Katrina, his words appear more prophetic than ever. I knew things were bad in my neighborhood and throughout neighboring cities and counties. But this intra-state judicial corruption is ridiculous and immoral. :fiery:

Diam's
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:18 PM
i meant yahoo news which was where both the images were posted one after the other on that day.
Ok ok ... but AP and AFP write their own captions ... Yahoo is just the publisher so you can't blame Yahoo :shrug:

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:18 PM
ah yes the black loot white find.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/4772/blackloot7xf.jpg
blacks loot

but white people (according the same source on the same day) find, not loot.
http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5955/whitefind5cu.jpg
this the response from the person who wrote the caption on the white find:
I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water — we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow.

and this is the take on the black loot:
Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."


well i guess groceries taken by black looters wont just float away. and of course everytime we see someone walking into a store from above when know they are looting because thats what black people do... :smash:

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:20 PM
Ok ok ... but AP and AFP write their own captions ... Yahoo is just the publisher so you can't blame Yahoo :shrug:
you think there is nothing racist or wrong about this?

plus yahoo did take the blame themselves because they took them both down as soon as it was reported, so i would be hard pressed to not question the choose to publish these images, particularly when they were placed together by yahoo, one after the other.

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:22 PM
DAMN! You beat me to the punch. :lol: I was gonna post the same article.

This is yet more proof that the law in America only really applies to 'some'. :hehehe:
Different standards exist for different ethnic groups.

In fact, this brings to mind an old conversation I had with an older gentleman. He told me something that I didn't quite comprehend at the time, which was that the original intent of U.S. law was to suppress and harass (in most cases by killing) Blacks and Latinos, and protect Whites only. After Katrina, his words appear more prophetic than ever. I knew things were bad in my neighborhood and throughout neighboring cities and counties. But this intra-state judicial corruption is ridiculous and immoral. :fiery:
:worship: :worship: :worship:

RVD
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:27 PM
this the response from the person who wrote the caption on the white find:
I wrote the caption about the two people who 'found' the items. I believed in my opinion, that they did simply find them, and not 'looted' them in the definition of the word. The people were swimming in chest deep water, and there were other people in the water, both white and black. I looked for the best picture. there were a million items floating in the water — we were right near a grocery store that had 5+ feet of water in it. it had no doors. the water was moving, and the stuff was floating away. These people were not ducking into a store and busting down windows to get electronics. They picked up bread and cokes that were floating in the water. They would have floated away anyhow.

and this is the take on the black loot:
Jack Stokes, AP's director of media relations, confirmed today that [photographer Dave] Martin says he witnessed the people in his images looting a grocery store. "He saw the person go into the shop and take the goods," Stokes said, "and that's why he wrote 'looting' in the caption."


well i guess groceries taken by black looters wont just float away. and of course everytime we see someone walking into a store from above when know they are looting because thats what black people do... :smash::haha: Oh my God!
But yeah, everybody knows that food, water, and provisions during a catastrophe will float to everyone but Blacks. :haha:
Don't ya just love the 'spin' of these stories?

As a Black man, I guess I should be out looting and raping right now. Hell, I'm 'bout 44 years behind. I'd better get busy catching up. :tape: :lol:

Wigglytuff
Jul 3rd, 2006, 09:32 PM
:haha: Oh my God!
But yeah, everybody knows that food, water, and provisions during a catastrophe will float to everyone but Blacks. :haha:
Don't ya just love the 'spin' of these stories?

As a Black man, I guess I should be out looting and raping right now. Hell, I'm 'bout 44 years behind. I'd better get busy catching up. :tape: :lol:
:lol: :lol: :tape: :tape:

LOL, you know wrong, but oh so right!!!