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furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:25 PM
Not long to go now, I hate this way to decide such an important World Cup match!..
Who will miss anyway? :eek:

RR-87
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Germany will win :)

Reffery should be killed after match :mad:

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:28 PM
Thanks for the update, what's the score?

I'd take Germany in a shootout. Home team, home
hysteria, pumped up players....which team has
the better goalie? They win.

That is it for my expertise on the game of futbol.

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:30 PM
1-1

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:30 PM
Thanks for the update, what's the score?

I'd take Germany in a shootout. Home team, home
hysteria, pumped up players....which team has
the better goalie? They win.

That is it for my expertise on the game of futbol.

Its 1-1 after ET

Penalties it is!

I hope Germans win

Sam L
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:31 PM
I pray for Deutschland.

SloKid
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:35 PM
Germany 1-0

Neuville

SloKid
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:36 PM
First keeper for Argentina got injured by a German player in a mid-air collision...no foul :rolleyes:
Knee to the stomach.

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:37 PM
Germany 2-1

Ballack

SloKid
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Ayala misses for Argentina...bad penalty.

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Lehmann saves from Ayala

Germans now 3-1

SloKid
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:38 PM
Germany will win, Franco can't get anywhere near to these.

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:39 PM
3-2 now -- 3 each taken!

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:40 PM
4-2 Germans!

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:41 PM
Germans through 4-2
Well done Germans!! :)

Oneofakind0490
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:42 PM
A fight:rolleyes:

Congrats Germany:D

gibberish
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:43 PM
Go Germany! Nice to see home teams do well in the World Cup.

Sam L
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:44 PM
Germany. :D

shirley
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:49 PM
<----hates penalty shoot outs. Too nerve-racking!

Warrior
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:50 PM
I wanted Argentina to win :(

lucashg
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:51 PM
Argentina :mad: :sad:
Well, Germany won't win the World Cup, that's for sure. :p

Barrie_Dude
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:51 PM
I wanted Argentina to win :(Me 2! Dam Germans!:mad:

Jeleno Benesovo
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:52 PM
Argentina :spit: congratulations Deutschland!!! :yeah:

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:53 PM
The whining in Argentina should be underway about now.
No hand of God to intervene, uh, hand of Maradona.

BBC capsule reports are great, photos too. Good game
evidently. Home team powered on by the millions in Germany.
I cannot imagine the party going on all over the country
over there.

Veeko
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:56 PM
i can't believe,Argentina ,first to shoot,but the final,i am so sad,Argentina~~~~`

controlfreak
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:57 PM
An impressive set of Teutonic penalties. I'm glad Argentina lost because they were everybody's hot favourites after their 6-0 win. Now I just need Brazil to lose to France. I hope Germany don't win the cup though, I don't like it when the host nation wins.

Kart
Jun 30th, 2006, 05:58 PM
Nice one Germany :yeah:.

JackFrost
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:00 PM
Me 2! Dam Germans!:mad:

Then the Argentinians should have played better. :)
After the 1:0 they hold back and wanted just to defend the lead till the end.
But the germans don´t give presents.

B.t.w the Argentians are bad loser. Heintze and some other began to hit the germans after the game and must hold back from the security.

Go Germany in the semis! Good luck against Italy or Ukraine.:bounce:

treufreund
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:07 PM
Yes I hope the host nation can win!!!

The Crow
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:09 PM
Germany :D :bounce:

gentenaire
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:12 PM
Germany :D
(and boo at the Argentines who started fighting)

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:13 PM
I'm for the Americans!
Oh wait. We lost.

Then, WE don't care who wins.

As long as it is not France.

Germany won it fair and square.
Bad sportsmanship at the end it seems.
That stinks. Why wreck a good match
by acting like that.

I'm for England.
Why?
I liked the movie Bend It Like Beckham.
Reason enough.

But, I think the home advantage is huge for
Germany. I can see them winning it all.
Unless, Brazil and Ronaldo dance and smile
their way to a big win. They play a different
game altogether.

Hulet
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:20 PM
Germany :D
(and boo at the Argentines who started fighting)
How do you know who started the fighting? The feed I got, and I believe everyone gets the same feed, showed the melee after it got pretty heated up. But knowing you it is not surprising that you would jump to blame someone.

Anyways, I hate penalities. Just let them play it out until some team scores.

Poor Argies. :sad:

Also, refreeing was a joke. I am sick of all those mistakes by refrees. I am not going to watch any more games until they fix the refree situation. That's if it's possible for me to do so.

matthias
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:21 PM
thanks god our dream and opur party goes on
i was already afraid our 4 week party could end after 3 weeks
but now we will have the full 4 weeks :woohoo:

Thanks LEHMANN and thanks to all the cool german penalty shooters :woohoo:

gentenaire
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:23 PM
How do you know who started the fighting? The feed I got, and I believe everyone gets the same feed, showed the melee after it got pretty heated up. But knowing you it is not surprising that you would jump to blame someone.

Anyways, I hate penalities. Just let them play it out until some team scores.

Poor Argies. :sad:

Before they showed anything of the fight, the commentator was already talking about how an Argentine player kicked a German player badly (above the knee). It was clear they started it. We had to wait a while before they showed anything of the fight on TV, but the commentators who were there saw it live, they did see how it started.

JackFrost
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:24 PM
How do you know who started the fighting? The feed I got, and I believe everyone gets the same feed, showed the melee after it got pretty heated up. But knowing you it is not surprising that you would jump to blame someone.

Anyways, I hate penalities. Just let them play it out until some team scores.

Poor Argies. :sad:

Why should the german player start a fight after a won penalty? They were busy with celebrating. :)
And the security have to hold only the argentinians back. The germans don´t even hit back, when Heintze attacks Bierhoff.

Hulet
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:26 PM
The commentator I listened too (who is English and hates both teams equally :p) was basically insunuating that the Germans (Bierhoff) went to gloat to the Argentinians and that's what started it. But, even he wasn't sure who started punching.

Even if the Argentinians punch after the game, they are somewhat justified after the physical punishment they recieved hockey style from the German players.

Jeleno Benesovo
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Why should the german player start a fight after a won penalty? They were busy with celebrating. :)
And the security have to hold only the argentinians back. The germans don´t even hit back, when Heintze attacks Bierhoff.

u r right Jack. In addition the argentinian teams (National Team and Clubes) have and old and rich tradition on being sore losers. I could mention dozens of examples were the argentinians didn't know how to react properly after a defeat. There are hundreds of this episodes in Copa America and Copa Libertadores (at WC's as well, of course)

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:30 PM
Then, WE don't care who wins.

As long as it is not France.


WHY ?

The Crow
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:37 PM
It's quite probable that one of the Germans wanted to rub in it with the Argentinians, but that doesn't mean the Argentinians should start kicking.

Hulet
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:39 PM
It's quite probable that one of the Germans wanted to rub in it with the Argentinians, but that doesn't mean the Argentinians should start kicking.
I disagree but, in the end, it doesn't matter. What matter is that Germany won and football lost. :sad: :)

Rachel_
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Well done Germany!!!

Arsenal's Jens does it again....what a FANTASTIC keeper he was amazing!!!

Really nice fightback from Germany

(•_•)
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Me 2! Dam Germans!:mad:
Damn people with their stereotyped thinking who haven't the faintest idea!

Too bad the evil Germans won!! :rolleyes:

Warrior
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:41 PM
Originally Posted by samsung101
Then, WE don't care who wins.

As long as it is not France.


WHY ?

Because of the 'freedom fries' mentality, perhaps?

Sweep
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:46 PM
It would have been hilarious to see Heinze take Bierhoff out. You don't mess with Heinze. Whoever started the fight, I don't care. They should have let them carry on.

So the Germans scrape through...and that's their penalty shootout win for the tournament. If we play them in the final, we will beat them. Otherwise, I'm rooting for the Portuguese/Brazilians/French.

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:49 PM
WHY ?

Because he likes Bush. And France is the evil country, along with Russia, Germany, and pretty much the rest of Europe that opposed the "Freedom War".

Great Britain however didn't. He wants them to win.

Understand now? ;)

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:52 PM
I'm for the Americans!
Oh wait. We lost.

Then, WE don't care who wins.

Speak for yourself please.

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Damn, I really wonder where J-Baby is. :lol:

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:57 PM
Because he likes Bush. And France is the evil country, along with Russia, Germany, and pretty much the rest of Europe that opposed the "Freedom War".

Great Britain however didn't. He wants them to win.

Understand now? ;)

That's what I thought ... but I wonder why samsung101 didn't say the same thing for Germany.

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 06:58 PM
They should have let them carry on.

:lol:

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:02 PM
Because of the 'freedom fries' mentality, perhaps?

or maybe because of the blue color :lol: allez les BLEUS!

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:06 PM
or maybe because of the blue color :lol: allez les BLEUS!

Or maybe because tens of thoussands of us died to save your cowardly grandparents, and have been treated like shit as our thanks. :shrug:

Okay, I soooo shouldn't post this!!! It's so wrong!!! :tape:

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:07 PM
Or maybe because tens of thoussands of us died to save your cowardly grandparents, and have been treated like shit as our thanks. :shrug:

Okay, I soooo shouldn't post this!!! It's so wrong!!! :tape:

Indeed ... you should buy an history book! :tape:
Give me some facts :)

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:10 PM
Indeed ... you should buy an history book! :tape:
Give me some facts :)

Yeah, de Gaulle and company weren't anti-American at all. :angel:

Actually, I like French people. I lost my virginity to a French guy! :drool: :hearts:

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:12 PM
oh and btw my grandparents were not French
and when you say "tens of thoussands of us ", do you mean you were in the army at that time ?

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:18 PM
and having lost your virginity to a French guy doesn't give you the right to bash France and the French like you do

(•_•)
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:19 PM
Or maybe because tens of thoussands of us died to save your cowardly grandparents, and have been treated like shit as our thanks. :shrug:

Okay, I soooo shouldn't post this!!! It's so wrong!!! :tape:
Are you all there? Do you know what crap you are posting??

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:22 PM
1st, thank you for 'way too much information' about your
love life.

2nd, lighten up. The USA has had a longstanding love-hate
relationship with France, it didn't start with Bush. It won't
end once he's out of office either. We like the British, we
like to dislike the French. It's all in a joking manner most
of the time. Seriously, in the USA not many care at all about
the World Cup. Ugly American, Rude Frenchman, it's all
in gest...most of the time. We know France has more often
than not been a USA friend, just not our best friend. That's
Britain.

But, I'd still feel better if France did not win. I'd feel better
if England won.

Now, that would be fun to see England v. France, two nations
that love to hate each other.....Blair v. Chirac.....Wine v. Dark Beer.....fish & chips v. foie gras.

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:24 PM
oh and btw my grandparents were not French
and when you say "tens of thoussands of us ", do you mean you were in the army at that time ?

Well, it's good to know that your grandparents weren't disgusting cowards that would rather surrender to the Nazis and turn a blind eye to the Holocaust, rather than fight to the death against evil.

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:27 PM
1st, thank you for 'way too much information' about your
love life.

2nd, lighten up. The USA has had a longstanding love-hate
relationship with France, it didn't start with Bush. It won't
end once he's out of office either. We like the British, we
like to dislike the French. It's all in a joking manner most
of the time. Seriously, in the USA not many care at all about
the World Cup. Ugly American, Rude Frenchman, it's all
in gest...most of the time. We know France has more often
than not been a USA friend, just not our best friend. That's
Britain.

But, I'd still feel better if France did not win. I'd feel better
if England won.

Now, that would be fun to see England v. France, two nations
that love to hate each other.....Blair v. Chirac.....Wine v. Dark Beer.....fish & chips v. foie gras.

The problem is that it's not the 1st time you say something like that about France or the French so ...

Lady
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:28 PM
thanks god our dream and opur party goes on
i was already afraid our 4 week party could end after 3 weeks
but now we will have the full 4 weeks :woohoo:

Thanks LEHMANN and thanks to all the cool german penalty shooters :woohoo:

How about thanking Klose who actually made those penalty shoots possible? ;)

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:28 PM
Or maybe because tens of thoussands of us died to save your cowardly grandparents, and have been treated like shit as our thanks. :shrug:

Okay, I soooo shouldn't post this!!! It's so wrong!!! :tape:

Maybe you need to look beyond American history books.

My "cowardly grandparents" as you call them fought with their lives to defend their country. How is a smaller country such as France supposed to withstand ALONE two attacks on two different fronts? Oh that's right, the U.S. has never been invaded, we have, many times, because we're a smaller country that is blocked by the ocean. Even though we got rid of the Italians down south, Germany's army was bigger and stronger than ours, because, their country was twice our size...Pretty logical isn't it? Our armies weren't destroyed, Germany just went straight for Paris unlike in WWI when we were able to crush them before they got there. Also,we were counting on the Belgian to help us out, but they declared neutrality and that gave Germany a faster path, while we were scrambling to get our troops back in that direction.
Meanwhile, the U.S. was sitting on its ass waiting for the right moment to attack, despite the warnings by DeGaulle that France would fall, and that is a huge reason as to why DeGaulle was pissed.
How have Americans been treated like shit? France does recognize the value of what Americans soldiers did for us, they built memorials and cemetaries for American soldiers. Also, most American people were opposed to going to Europe, and FDR had to tell them that they would be next for them to finally support the war.
Finally, Hitler himself said that my "cowardly grandparents" fought their heart out despite their lower numbers and horrible commandants, and that he respected them for being so brave.

So instead of sitting on your high horse, you might want to take up reading a couple history books, and I'm not talking about an American History 9th grade book.
There is one called "Fall of France: the Nazi Invasion of 1940" by Julian Jackson, which is a fairly unbiased book about how politics and horrible decisions by a few higher up officers basically condemned the whole country at the time.
France's decision haven't been the best during the war, but don't go and call the French people "cowards" when you have nothing else to back you up but your "American sense of superiority".

Oh and by the way, France is the country that helped the United States fight off England during the American Revolution. Easy to forget huh?

matthias
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:29 PM
How about thanking Klose who actually made those penalty shoots possible? ;)

Klose is already our WC-HERO ;)

gentenaire
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:30 PM
Well, it's good to know that your grandparents weren't disgusting cowards that would rather surrender to the Nazis and turn a blind eye to the Holocaust, rather than fight to the death against evil.

You really do need to find a decent history book.

Lady
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:31 PM
Klose is already our WC-HERO ;)

Mine too today. :D

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:32 PM
This thread wasn't meant to turn into a war :p

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:33 PM
This thread wasn't meant to turn into a war :p

I'm sorry but when people are being disgustingly ignorant, I can't help it.
Some people need to read up a bit before talking shit.

matthias
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:34 PM
This thread wasn't meant to turn into a war :p
i think it is too late for this comment

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:36 PM
Well, it's good to know that your grandparents weren't disgusting cowards that would rather surrender to the Nazis and turn a blind eye to the Holocaust, rather than fight to the death against evil.

I can't believe what you have written above ...
Have you ever heard of resistance ? have you ever heard of the 562,000 French who died during that war ?

oh and have you ever heard of the battle of Yorktown ?

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:37 PM
You really do need to find a decent history book.

Yeah, I am totally wrong about the Vichy government. They didn't collude at all with the Nazi's. And the people of France didn't turn a blind eye as Jews got shipped to death camps by the thousands.

And the 1950's and 1960's governments of France didn't spew out anti-American propaganda at all. :rolleyes:

JackFrost
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:42 PM
Well, long live the old stereotypes and hates, right? :rolleyes:
Maybe it´s better, we close the thread now, before even more old crap comes up, what has nothing to do with the world cup or even todays generations.

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Yeah, I am totally wrong about the Vichy government. They didn't collude at all with the Nazi's. And the people of France didn't turn a blind eye as Jews got shipped to death camps by the thousands.

And the 1950's and 1960's governments of France didn't spew out anti-American propaganda at all. :rolleyes:

Get your facts straight. Not everyone supported the Vichy government, actually most people wanted to resist the invasion, but what could they do at the time? No weapons, German army everywhere, there were little packs of resistants that tried to sabotage and spy.
Also, as much as I hate the Vichy government, it was either collaborate with Hitler or have the country being ransacked and destroyed. What would you do? Besides, the Vichy government didnt do much, except separate its own country.

Also, most people didnt really know about the Holocaust before the war was actually over. Most people didnt believe it, including the U.S. before the Russian army, which was the first one to stumble upon a concentration camp, discovered what happened at the time.


Again, ignorant generalizations over 60 millions people because of the actions of a crumbling government.

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:45 PM
I can't believe what you have written above ...
Have you ever heard of resistance ? have you ever heard of the 562,000 French who died during that war ?

oh and have you ever heard of the battle of Yorktown ?

The tens of thousands of French Jews that were shipped off to death camps are especially thankful for the French courage and the resistance. If only the UK and Russia could've been that courageous! :tape: :rolleyes:

But hey, kudos to France! At least they didn't pull a Norway during the war! ;)

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:49 PM
it was either collaborate with Hitler or have the country being ransacked and destroyed. What would you do?

I guess if I were a coward, I would surrender so that England could bear the brunt of the destruction. Better them than me. :o

furrykitten
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:50 PM
I have it in my desire to delete this thread, don't make me exercise my considerable power! ;)
Behave or its gone, (damn i should be a moderater) :lol:

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:50 PM
Did the board just discover a general anti-French attitude in
the USA, over history...it's not a new thing. Nor is it that important of a thing. Really, considering all the anti-American,
anti-Bush junk that goes on around here, a lot with foul
language, why get bugged about this? Chirac doesn't care
does he? No.



Americans tend to like the British more than the French, is this
a new thing?

No.

If a choice between Blair and Chirac came up, we'd probably
overwhelmingly take Blairs side.

That's all.

I know the history. I appreciate the French help over the years,
and I'm sure the French appreciate the American help over the
years.....(cough-cough....gag-gag......).

If given a choice between the French team and the British
team, I'd pick the Brits. That's all.

Now, ask the Brits what they think of the French! That should
liven up any pub or message board. Really, I'd like to sit next
to a Frenchman and Scouse from Liverpool, and hear them
go back and forth during a France-England game. My ears........

The American Revolution, that's going back a ways isn't it?

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:51 PM
The tens of thousands of French Jews that were shipped off to death camps are especially thankful for the French courage and the resistance. If only the UK and Russia could've been that courageous! :tape: :rolleyes:

But hey, kudos to France! At least they didn't pull a Norway during the war! ;)

UK is an island, and thus didnt run the risk of being invaded. Hitler didnt want to bother invading them, as the UK had a much better navy. By the way, the Britons retreated most of their army when Germany was in the outskirt of France.
As for Russia, they weren't always the good guys, especially at the beginning of the war. Hadn't Hitler shot himself in the foot and invaded Russia while invading France at the same time, Russia would most probably have fallen too.
Also, they have the great nordic weather there to help.
We have... the Belgians. :lol: (just kidding)

gentenaire
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:52 PM
And the people of France didn't turn a blind eye as Jews got shipped to death camps by the thousands.

You mean the people whose house got confiscated by the Germans, who were left out the on streets with their little kids with nothing left? With air raids overhead? You mean the people who were overjoyed when they managed to snatch two breads to feed an entire family for a week instead of just the one? You mean the people who had to wait three months to find out if relatives survived the latest bombing. You mean the people who couldn't see their relatives for years? You mean the people for whom war was so hard there was no way they even knew about death camps. They honestly didn't know! Nearly all young men were sent to Germany, sent to work camps. For all they knew, Jews were sent to the same camps as everyone else. It was only the people with inside knowledge, people working for the railways for example, who knew something else was going on.

People didn't know! And you can't blame them for that. Radios were forbidden by the Germans, out of fear they'd listen to BBC reports. How were they supposed to know? The holocaust is so horrible it's hard to grasp humans are capable of doing such a thing. At the time, it was inconceivable. There was a war going on, they had a lot on their minds.

And guess who did know about the death camps...the Americans! And did they bomb the railway line to prevent more trains from arriving at Auschwitz? Nope. The Americans could have save an awful lot of Jews had they acted soon.

But there you go. It's always easy for someone who's lived a sheltered life, who has no idea what war is like, to judge others, how they should have acted. people do try to do what's good.

samsung101
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:53 PM
At that, have a lovely 4th of July holiday
weekend...we're stretching it into 4 days.
Most of us.


As we celebrate our independence from
our good pals, the Brits.

As our president visits Graceland with
our good friend from Japan, once our
sworn enemy nation.

Old foes become friends.

There's hope for America and France yet!

I won't hold my breath, but, there's always
a chance.





Have a hot dog, some potato salad, and
lots of cold beer...and see a parade. Have
a good time. I will. I'll even toss in
some brie cheese for good measure.

Hebrew national hot dog w/brie cheese.
M-m-m.........

And I'll try to watch England v. Portugal.

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:54 PM
The American Revolution, that's going back a ways isn't it?

Without it, I don't think the U.S. would exist per se.

And you're right, it used to be mostly just "in a joking way" teasing between the French and the US. However, France and Britain have had their share of fights (Napoleon, the help to the Americans during the Revolution...etc...), but they had to work together to fight off Germany in WWI and relations eased.

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:54 PM
I have it in my desire to delete this thread, don't make me exercise my considerable power! ;)
Behave or its gone, (damn i should be a moderater) :lol:

I think you have to know how to spell moderator before you can be one. :o

But, I recant all the things I've said. Allez France! Win the World Cup! Don't surrender! :devil:

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:57 PM
You mean the people whose house got confiscated by the Germans, who were left out the on streets with their little kids with nothing left? With air raids overhead? You mean the people who were overjoyed when they managed to snatch two breads to feed an entire family for a week instead of just the one? You mean the people who had to wait three months to find out if relatives survived the latest bombing. You mean the people who couldn't see their relatives for years? You mean the people for whom war was so hard there was no way they even knew about death camps. They honestly didn't know! Nearly all young men were sent to Germany, sent to work camps. For all they knew, Jews were sent to the same camps as everyone else. It was only the people with inside knowledge, people working for the railways for example, who knew something else was going on.

People didn't know! And you can't blame them for that. Radios were forbidden by the Germans, out of fear they'd listen to BBC reports. How were they supposed to know? The holocaust is so horrible it's hard to grasp humans are capable of doing such a thing. At the time, it was inconceivable. There was a war going on, they had a lot on their minds.

And guess who did know about the death camps...the Americans! And did they bomb the railway line to prevent more trains from arriving at Auschwitz? Nope. The Americans could have save an awful lot of Jews had they acted soon.

But there you go. It's always easy for someone who's lived a sheltered life, who has no idea what war is like, to judge others, how they should have acted. people do try to do what's good, but your own family comes first.

Amen to that.

LoveFifteen, you should seriously pick up a couple, non American textbooks, books on the subject of WWII. It is extremely interesting, and it might clear up a lot of things about how the war REALLY happened.

No, the Americans didnt just sweep in, destroyed Germany all by their loneself, and saved the whole world.

(•_•)
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:57 PM
Well, it's good to know that your grandparents weren't disgusting cowards that would rather surrender to the Nazis and turn a blind eye to the Holocaust, rather than fight to the death against evil.
Do you know what you're talking?
First your people, as you call it, wiped out the natives of North America, then when they noticed there were almost none remaining they enslaved millions of black people from Africa, in world war 2 they put all Americans of Japanese origin away in concentration camps, institutions that are else only named connected to the German history, then they bombed out innumerable German towns together with the English although the the war was already won, a short time later the misery in Vietnam and then recently the unprovoked war against the Iraq.
I would really be careful what I say!

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:59 PM
"God, it must suck having French relatives. I feel sorry for you so here's a good rep to brighten your day." - LoveFifteen

Since I already sent you a rep, I thought I'd answer here.
Well thanks for the good rep, it must suck to be so sheltered and ignorant.
Books might help :wavey:

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:02 PM
I guess if I were a coward, I would surrender so that England could bear the brunt of the destruction. Better them than me. :o

Oh please, England abandonned France anyways.
Let's say a serial killer came into your house, and threatenened to kill your family and loved ones, unless you gave up your house.

But OF COURSE you would keep the house. Cowards all those people who did not decide to sacrifice their loved ones and have their entire country destroyed so that England could be free of bombardment. :rolleyes:

Seriously, I shouldn't even expect an intelligent response from you.

manu32
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:03 PM
it's a thread about penalty...and the pseudo historians are unbelievable..and ridiculous....

LoveFifteen
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:04 PM
Do you know what you're talking?
First your people, as you call it, wiped out the natives of North America

Umm, they were European immigrants ... nice try! :lol:

Yeah, and CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER for the German towns that got bombed during WWII. Cry me a fucking river over that shit. God, I remember my fucking Euro-trash Gastvater was constantly bemoaning the bombing of Cologne at dinner. I always just wanted to say, "Ummm, karma's a bitch, ain't it? Could you pass the Spätzle? And learn to use deodorant?''

And I love the whole "Europeans had no idea what was going on" but "Americans knew about the Holocaust and should've acted sooner" thing. Typical arguement of Euro trash ...

At least some people in France did help out Jews. They hid them in their homes and risked their lives to save them. Those people are true heros, and it's a shame that more people weren't like them.

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:06 PM
The tens of thousands of French Jews that were shipped off to death camps are especially thankful for the French courage and the resistance. If only the UK and Russia could've been that courageous! :tape: :rolleyes:

But hey, kudos to France! At least they didn't pull a Norway during the war! ;)

Yes the French army lost and so what ?
No army could've held off the German army under the conditions that the French army faced them.
First the French had barely recovered from WW1 (fyi more than 4,000,000 French people died during that war)
The Germans had a newer and better strategy.
Oh and France has also a long land border with Germany.
Have you ever heard of the English Channel between the Brits and the Wehrmacht ? and what about Battle of Dunkirk ?

griffin
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:07 PM
Think you all can get back to discussing this silly football thing on your own, or should I start with the deletions?

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:09 PM
Think you all can get back to discussing this silly football thing on your own, or should I start with the deletions?

No thanks we'll be fine now.

So, huh.. penalty was it ? :lol:

Diam's
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:10 PM
:)

(•_•)
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:12 PM
Umm, they were European immigrants ... nice try! :lol:

Yeah, and CRY ME A FUCKING RIVER for the German towns that got bombed during WWII. Cry me a fucking river over that shit. God, I remember my fucking Euro-trash Gastvater was constantly bemoaning the bombing of Cologne at dinner. I always just wanted to say, "Ummm, karma's a bitch, ain't it? Could you pass the Spätzle? And learn to use deodorant?''

And I love the whole "Europeans had no idea what was going on" but "Americans knew about the Holocaust and should've acted sooner" thing. Typical arguement of Euro trash ...

At least some people in France did help out Jews. They hid them in their homes and risked their lives to save them. Those people are true heros, and it's a shame that more people weren't like them.
I know they were European immigrants. That doesn't change anything about the matter.

Are you sure you're in full possession of your faculties?? I didn't defend Europeans in any way in my post. I just gave you some facts you obviously didn't know or don't want to know. Or both.

griffin
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:12 PM
No thanks we'll be fine now.

So, huh.. penalty was it ? :lol:
'
TOUCHDOWN!

(I think :shrug: ;) )

when is this thing over, anyway?

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:13 PM
'
TOUCHDOWN!

(I think :shrug: ;) )

when is this thing over, anyway?

I'm thinking next week.

gentenaire
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:19 PM
And I love the whole "Europeans had no idea what was going on" but "Americans knew about the Holocaust and should've acted sooner" thing. Typical arguement of Euro trash ...

If you'd bothered to read my post properly, you would have noticed the 'so easy to judge' remark at the end, where I made it clear that I'm not attacking the Americans for not acting sooner because hey...it's war, those are difficult times, difficult conditions and it's easy to say afterwards what should have been done. I only mentioned that bit because you keep judging people who really did NOT know what was happening. If you read a decent history book, you'd know that.
How can you act as the big saviour when you're trying to keep your own head above water?
You have no idea how insulting your words are. I'm not easily offended, but damn, your words have offended me and I'm not even French!

If you only realise how deep the hurt goes in my grandfather's generation. They truly suffered!
How people I know were critisized for naming their son Dieter because it happened to be a German name. How my SIL's grandfather NEVER talked about his time in the resistance out of fear the Germans would find out....even after 50 years, he wouldn't talk. At his funeral, I was expecting to see very few people because he hardly had any relatives. To my big surprise, the church was filled with old men my SIL had never seen in her life. All people who were in the resistance with him. Even his wife didn't know what really happened. That fear these people experienced is so extreme, it's repulsive, it's so incredibly offensive that you dare call them cowards!!

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:23 PM
If you'd bothered to read my post properly, you would have noticed the 'so easy to judge' remark at the end, where I made it clear that I'm not attacking the Americans for not acting sooner because hey...it's war, those are difficult times, difficult conditions and it's easy to say afterwards what should have been done. I only mentioned that bit because you keep judging people who really did NOT know what was happening. If you read a decent history book, you'd know that.
How can you act as the big saviour when you're trying to keep your own head above water?
You have no idea how insulting your words are. I'm not easily offended, but damn, your words have offended me and I'm not even French!

If you only realise how deep the hurt goes in my grandfather's generation. They truly suffered!
How people I know were critisized for naming their son Dieter because it happened to be a German name. How my SIL's grandfather NEVER talked about his time in the resistance out of fear the Germans would find out....even after 50 years, he wouldn't talk. At his funeral, I was expecting to see very few people because he hardly had any relatives. To my big surprise, the church was filled with old men my SIL had never seen in her life. All people who were in the resistance with him. Even his wife didn't know what really happened. That fear these people experienced is so extreme, it's repulsive, it's so incredibly offensive that you dare call them cowards!!

We can end it at that. Best post of the thread.

It is easy to judge from afar and say what could have/should have been done when you're not the one being bombarded, have your family killed, your country destroyed. Ignorance can only be ended by spreading history to younger generations, so that they understand what happened really in the world, and how it relates to their own country and their ancestors.
Read books people!

manu32
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:27 PM
'
TOUCHDOWN!

(I think :shrug: ;) )

when is this thing over, anyway?

c'est n'importe quoi.....

controlfreak
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:30 PM
what I'm hoping is that Italy, France and England all make the semifinals, then we will have a real Allies vs Axis of Evil situation in the draw! :p :lol:

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:31 PM
c'est n'importe quoi.....

Elle parle de la coupe du monde....
Aussi, etant Francais, ca me surprend que tu le laisse parler ainsi de ton pays. T'es pas tres patriotique ;)

(•_•)
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:42 PM
I think you have to know how to spell moderator before you can be one. :o

But, I recant all the things I've said. Allez France! Win the World Cup! Don't surrender! :devil:
concerning your rep: my grandad died in Russian captivity, you idiot!

MinnyGophers
Jun 30th, 2006, 08:46 PM
I think you have to know how to spell moderator before you can be one. :o

But, I recant all the things I've said. Allez France! Win the World Cup! Don't surrender! :devil:

You cannot just "recant" what you've said. You don't understand how much your words are offensive, coming from someone who has never experienced a war, and I hope never lost family members to a war,and never being invaded, and you dare talk about people being cowards for protecting whatever is left of their life and loved ones with their own.

Until you understand that, you will always remain ignorant, but I suppose you don't really care, and that's your loss.

~~*Elena.D*~~
Jun 30th, 2006, 10:01 PM
thanks Klose and Lehmann :)

manu32
Jun 30th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Elle parle de la coupe du monde....
Aussi, etant Francais, ca me surprend que tu le laisse parler ainsi de ton pays. T'es pas tres patriotique ;)

ce n'est pas le but du post.....désolé mais je ne vois pas ce que vient faire le patriotisme dans un thread allemagne-argentine penalty (ies).....sur un forum pas forcément venu droit de la Sorbonne .....

MinnyGophers
Jul 1st, 2006, 12:19 AM
ce n'est pas le but du post.....désolé mais je ne vois pas ce que vient faire le patriotisme dans un thread allemagne-argentine penalty (ies).....sur un forum pas forcément venu droit de la Sorbonne .....

Quelqu'un quelque part a commencer a faire chier avec "freedom fries" et ce genre de reference, et ca a escalader tres vite :lol:

flyingmachine
Jul 1st, 2006, 12:23 AM
I thought this is about the a football match. I just can't believe this thread has taken over by a few morons who knows nothing about football. We don't want to know how some of these morons hates X Y or Z. We just want to talking about football ! :(
Anyway, let's back to football. I think Germany deserves it especially they were coming back from a goal down and they were playing very posistive football compare to the Angies who did played very well at the first half but very defensive at the second half especially when Reqiualme had substuted. I think the substutions by the Angies at the second half blow it for them in the end. Anyway I always love the host to do well reguardless who that is.
Now it's Italy vs Germany lets hope it will be a classic. :D