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samsung101
Jun 27th, 2006, 09:26 PM
While I don't like to see an American flag burned, I don't
think we need a Constitutional Amendment outlawing it.

The Courts have upheld flag burning as free speech for
years, and I see no reason for that to change. It has
been upheld as political expression. I find it really
irritating, but, it is expression in my view.

It's an issue that both parties have brought up before
over the past decades. Both parties tend to support
the concept. But, it usually fails in the Congress, as
it should this time as well.

It last came up in 2000, and even Democrats like
Max Cleland supported the amendment idea. It fell
short of the necessary 67 votes. It likely will again.

Amending the constitution is supposed to be hard and
difficult, and it is. It has been amended for the right
to vote for women, blacks, and ending slavery, among
other things. Amending it over history has created
some magnificent things for this nation. So, the idea
we can never amend the constitution is wrong. But, the
idea that we need it for every single infraction or ugly
act is also wrong.

Burning a flag is disgusting to me.

But, is it necessary to have a flag burning amendment?

No.

*JR*
Jun 27th, 2006, 09:35 PM
I agree with samsung. Protecting the physical representation of the Constitution by violating its 1st Amendment is a very bad idea. (And giving the flag burners a symbolic victory in the process). Though I might prosecute them for increasing air pollution via unlawful incineration of cloth .... :tape:

Chris 84
Jun 27th, 2006, 09:37 PM
What the hell is wrong with burning flags? :confused:

Diam's
Jun 27th, 2006, 09:57 PM
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Lord Nelson
Jun 27th, 2006, 11:15 PM
Does that mean that I can burn the Saudi flag in the U.S.? :devil:

wta_zuperfann
Jun 27th, 2006, 11:22 PM
Notice how none of the right wingers have any interest in creating an amendment that outlaws cross burnings.

Diam's
Jun 27th, 2006, 11:28 PM
Does that mean that I can burn the Saudi flag in the U.S.? :devil:
Please don't forget to wrap you in that flag ...j/k ;)

*JR*
Jun 27th, 2006, 11:38 PM
It just fell 1 vote short in the Senate of the 2/3 needed to be sent to the states, regardless of what the House does.

John A Roark
Jun 28th, 2006, 12:29 AM
Again, bad idea--the Constitution isn't there to tell us as citizens what we can't do.

Infiniti2001
Jun 28th, 2006, 12:43 AM
How many flag burning incidents have there been in the last few year?? :shrug: The constitution should be amended for only the most serious matters, not to showboat for crying out loud :rolleyes:

RatedR Superstar
Jun 28th, 2006, 04:54 AM
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1904/pic29386kb.jpg

:lol:

ZeroSOFInfinity
Jun 28th, 2006, 05:05 AM
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1904/pic29386kb.jpg

:lol:

They should have put this in:-

American Flag:- Stolen from the American Embassy
Gasoline:- Someone gave as a present
Cigerrette Lighter:- Borrowed from someone.

Getting 1st Degree Burns:- PRICELESS

Scotso
Jun 28th, 2006, 05:07 AM
They should have put this in:-

American Flag:- Stolen from the American Embassy
Gasoline:- Someone gave as a present
Cigerrette Lighter:- Borrowed from someone.

Getting 1st Degree Burns:- PRICELESS

:haha:

Scotso
Jun 28th, 2006, 05:08 AM
Republicans amaze me. They're supposed to be all about small government and having that government leave us alone... but right now they're championing government spying and banning expressions of free speech. For shame.

Lord Nelson
Jun 28th, 2006, 01:05 PM
Republicans amaze me. They're supposed to be all about small government and having that government leave us alone... but right now they're championing government spying and banning expressions of free speech. For shame.
You are right. Luckily if I go to the U.S., I will not be condemned for burning the Wahhabist Saudi flag. So good that the law did not pass through. Having said that, most nations in the world have laws that forbid flag burning fromn their own nations. Anyway I got my can of gasoline ready and the Saudi flag ready to get burned. I will have the Arab chap who got burned and give him a second chance to burn the flag properly. If he has a strong voice I will also make him say:

DEATH TO SAUDI ARABIA!!!! :lol:

My new friend and I will probably have the arab american committee breathing down our necks for this. So much for freedom of expression. :p

wta_zuperfann
Jun 28th, 2006, 01:52 PM
If he has a strong voice I will also make him say:
DEATH TO SAUDI ARABIA!!!!
My new friend and I will probably have the arab american committee breathing down our necks for this. So much for freedom of expression.



This constitutes perimissable freedom of speech?

Hmmm -- when Ahmadinajad allegedly said that about Israel, Bush and his conspirators nearly started World War III.


The USA flag represents the people of the USA. It does not represent the government. As most people know, the vast majority of Americans oppose Bush's criminal war. Therefore, to burn the flag as a means of protesting the government's imperialistic foreign policy is totally unjust to the Peace loving people of America. If anyone wishes to protest Bush imperialism, burn effigies of that imperialist. But don't burn the symbol that represents its Peace loving people.

Scotso
Jun 28th, 2006, 07:32 PM
The USA flag represents the people of the USA. It does not represent the government. As most people know, the vast majority of Americans oppose Bush's criminal war. Therefore, to burn the flag as a means of protesting the government's imperialistic foreign policy is totally unjust to the Peace loving people of America. If anyone wishes to protest Bush imperialism, burn effigies of that imperialist. But don't burn the symbol that represents its Peace loving people.

This is a load of BS. Sorry, but it is.

Lord Nelson
Jun 28th, 2006, 08:07 PM
[I] the vast majority of Americans oppose Bush's criminal war.

Don't worry, next time there is a war in Europe, the U.S. will let us Europeans feign for ourselves.

Cybelle Darkholme
Jun 28th, 2006, 08:58 PM
Burning the flag is disgusting? So even when you burn it to retire the flag because it's in poor shape and that is how it should be done that's still disgusting?

wta_zuperfann
Jun 28th, 2006, 09:06 PM
This is a load of BS. Sorry, but it is.


The polls all show Bush's popularity ratings at an all time low. They also show that the majority disapprove of his war. In fact, we have had several threads on this subject on this forum. And if I recall correctly, you participated in them.

darrinbaker00
Jun 28th, 2006, 09:34 PM
Republicans amaze me. They're supposed to be all about small government and having that government leave us alone... but right now they're championing government spying and banning expressions of free speech. For shame.
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a liberal's liberal, co-sponsored the amendment with Sen. Orrin Hatch, a conservative's conservative.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/28/MNG6PJLKL31.DTL&hw=flag+burning&sn=001&sc=1000

samsung101
Jun 28th, 2006, 09:36 PM
Cross burnings?


Uh, burning a cross in the USA is illegal, as it
is considered an assualt, a hate crime, or even
a physical damage crime. Pick any number of
things it falls under. In general, bonfires are
illegal in most parts of America.

Unless you live some place where they regularly
burn crosses in protests, then, maybe it's okay
there. If you get a permit, I guess it would be
legal in some places. Though, likely, met with
a similar legal protest by another group to point
out what idiots the cross burners are.

The amendment lost by one vote, and will come
back again sooner or later, it always does. I
don't like flags burning. But, I think it is probably
an (ugly) form of political expression, and protected.
If you burn it and toss it into a crowd, that's a different
story - that's a crime.

I know that's a hard thing to figure out...but,
take a moment away from putting the building
blocks on top of each other, and eating peanut
butter, and a light bulb may go off.

SelesFan70
Jun 28th, 2006, 09:42 PM
I think burning the flag to "protest" is utterly disgusting, but we can't go around changing our Constitution at every twist and turn. You really can't legislate against ignorance. :tape:

However, I would be VERY interested to see the reaction of the democrats/liberals (and some on this board) if, say, I or someone else decided to burn the Koran in protest of islamic terrorists. :)

darrinbaker00
Jun 28th, 2006, 09:51 PM
I think burning the flag to "protest" is utterly disgusting, but we can't go around changing our Constitution at every twist and turn. You really can't legislate against ignorance. :tape:

However, I would be VERY interested to see the reaction of the democrats/liberals (and some on this board) if, say, I or someone else decided to burn the Koran in protest of islamic terrorists. :)
That's no different than burning the Bible in protest of "Christian" terrorists (KKK, Operation Rescue, etc.). Objectionable, but protected by the Constitution.

capriatifan78
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:02 PM
I can't believe these morons just gave themselves a raise for wasting our tax dollars on trivial crap like this (which opens up the door to limiting free speech and expression) meanwhile I can't even adopt a child in the state of Florida soley based on the fact that I am gay. (Jeb Bush...freaking idiot) So many people in this country are calling gay rights "SPECIAL RIGHTS"! They are not special rights, they are rights that would be automatically guaranteed to people( as long as you are "straight.") I think gay rights really are one of the last frontiers of civil rights and it is both shocking and frightening how it seems like the gay rights movement has been loosing momentum recently. What's next? A constitutional amendment banning homosexuals from jobs as teachers? I am so freaking over it!!! :(

Helen Lawson
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:10 PM
There's a war going on with daily casualties, health care in this country is nearing a crisis, gas will be $5 a gallon soon, and it's flag burning and gay marriage! Unreal!! If Terri Schiavo didn't convince me NEVER to vote Republican again, this does.

SelesFan70
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:14 PM
That's no different than burning the Bible in protest of "Christian" terrorists (KKK, Operation Rescue, etc.). Objectionable, but protected by the Constitution.

I totally agree with you...I'm not so sure about the pc crowds, though. ;)

SelesFan70
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:14 PM
There's a war going on with daily casualties, health care in this country is nearing a crisis, gas will be $5 a gallon soon, and it's flag burning and gay marriage! Unreal!! If Terri Schiavo didn't convince me NEVER to vote Republican again, this does.

:tape:

griffin
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:21 PM
I totally agree with you...I'm not so sure about the pc crowds, though. ;)

There's a difference between finding something offensive and trying to ban it via Constitutional amendment. I haven't heard of too many people arguing that the Koran, etc., should be protected in such a way.

But I'm sure there are crackpots. Just like there are boneheads who support this amendment to "protect" the flag but have no problem violating everything it's supposed to stand for.

Helen Lawson
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:24 PM
:tape:

Hon, when you either don't have health insurance or are paying for someone else's to the tune of $1200 a month, you can let me have it!

samsung101
Jun 28th, 2006, 10:44 PM
Although, down the line I think someone will probably
bring up in court - why isn't burning an American
flag considered hate speech?


I don't like the burning, but, I don't think it should
be covered by a constitutional amendment.

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2006, 05:00 AM
There's a difference between finding something offensive and trying to ban it via Constitutional amendment.

But this is what they do. Look at gay marriage.

They're idiots. The main principle of democracy is "majority rules, minority rights." They've forgotten that entirely.

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2006, 05:02 AM
I don't know how any REAL conservatives can support this administration and its rubber-stamp congress. They're taking away all of our freedoms. Conservatives are supposed to be against government interference.

I'm very much a Libertarian about things like this. the government has no business telling people they can't marry, can't burn flags... etc.

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2006, 05:02 AM
Although, down the line I think someone will probably
bring up in court - why isn't burning an American
flag considered hate speech?


I don't like the burning, but, I don't think it should
be covered by a constitutional amendment.

since when does the government ban hate speech?

Scotso
Jun 29th, 2006, 05:04 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a liberal's liberal, co-sponsored the amendment with Sen. Orrin Hatch, a conservative's conservative.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/28/MNG6PJLKL31.DTL&hw=flag+burning&sn=001&sc=1000

:lol:

Dianne Feinstein is NOT a liberal. Republicans might try to paint her as such to stand a chance against her (which they can't), but that doesn't make it true... AT ALL.

égalité
Jun 30th, 2006, 02:23 AM
However, I would be VERY interested to see the reaction of the democrats/liberals (and some on this board) if, say, I or someone else decided to burn the Koran in protest of islamic terrorists. :)


Hey, we liberals don't sympathize with terrorists. That's an awful stereotype. We just don't like book-burning :lol: :p


I think Koran-burning and American flag-burning are both in bad taste, but neither comes close to meriting a Constutional amendment.

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:14 AM
Notice how none of the right wingers have any interest in creating an amendment that outlaws cross burnings. :worship: :worship:

It's due to the fact that most of these cross burners are now employed with Homeland Security. :tape: :lol:

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:15 AM
http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1904/pic29386kb.jpg

:lol::haha: I shouldn't be laughing, but... :lol:

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:16 AM
Republicans amaze me. They're supposed to be all about small government and having that government leave us alone... but right now they're championing government spying and banning expressions of free speech. For shame.This is a great post! :yeah:

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:19 AM
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but Sen. Dianne Feinstein, a liberal's liberal, co-sponsored the amendment with Sen. Orrin Hatch, a conservative's conservative.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/06/28/MNG6PJLKL31.DTL&hw=flag+burning&sn=001&sc=1000But everyone knows that Dianne Feinstein is a closet Republican. :shrug: So no points there. :wavey: :kiss:

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:24 AM
Hmm...
Political claw-sharpening is fun! :bounce: :D

Scotso
Jun 30th, 2006, 03:30 AM
The only thing that keeps her and Lieberman from being Republican is that they're Jewish.

RVD
Jun 30th, 2006, 07:41 AM
The only thing that keeps her and Lieberman from being Republican is that they're Jewish.:haha: That one caught me off-guard. :lol:
I see that you've been sharpening your political calws as well. :cool: ;)

Scotso
Jun 30th, 2006, 10:09 PM
Well it's true. And I don't mean it in a bad way, I'm Jewish. ;)

It's just that Republicans and Jews just don't really go together. Still, I like Dianne. I don't agree with her a lot, but I admire her.

I'm supporting another near-Republican for President even though I'm extremely liberal. That's because he's from my state (Mark Warner) and a really good guy with a great head on his shoulders... I talked to him when he was running for governor! :bounce: Having a president from your state = a lot of perks.

*JR*
Jun 30th, 2006, 11:38 PM
Whoever makes American and Israeli flags for these ppl to burn in the Mideast must be making a lot of money, as their burning them guarantees repeat business! :tape:

Andrew..
Jul 1st, 2006, 02:24 AM
So, I can't burn my trash, but I can burn my American flag. Logical!

Happy birthday, USA.