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Dokic Pierce
Jun 26th, 2006, 09:35 PM
Did anyone see any of this match yesterday, I'm curious to know why Jamea was struggling so much...

Was it Kirsten playing better or Jamea's errors? Anyone have any reports would be greatly appreciated :wavey:

Do you think Jamea can still win??

tfannis
Jun 26th, 2006, 10:37 PM
FlipkEns ;)

RR-87
Jun 26th, 2006, 10:39 PM
Hope Flipkens will win :D

Go Kirsten!!! :rocker2:

tenn_ace
Jun 26th, 2006, 10:41 PM
Kirsten! :bounce:

way overdue for a good performance!

Viktymise
Jun 26th, 2006, 10:50 PM
Flipkens is a former junior champ here she must be good on grass, plus its still on serve at 5-4, its not like she is losing by a huge margin

switz
Jun 27th, 2006, 12:14 AM
Flipkins game doesn't have much to it but it's suited to grass. I see her being a slightly better version of Nicole Pratt. Both were very good juniors who struggled the make the transition to tour level.

Wannabeknowitall
Jun 27th, 2006, 12:20 AM
Jamea can still win and probably will now after having a day to figure out what to do with Flipkins. I still think the odds of her beating Hantuchova are low. It doesn't look like she scouted Flipkins.

cellophane
Jun 27th, 2006, 12:29 AM
I'll download and watch it after Hingis. :)

SAEKeithSerena
Jun 27th, 2006, 02:20 AM
she'll pull it out. 7-5, 6-3

stevos
Jun 27th, 2006, 02:22 AM
Come on Jamea, they showed about 5 minutes on espn today, first time I've ever seen her on there.

CrossCourt~Rally
Jun 27th, 2006, 02:28 AM
Come on Jamea, they showed about 5 minutes on espn today, first time I've ever seen her on there.

Yeah... :D what did u think She has allot of hustle doesn't she ? :worship:

dagamezbest
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:06 AM
I saw her on ESPN this time last year at Wimbledon in the second round against Davenport. Its a great what one year can do. She looked a mess last year, she seemed to be nervous for the most part, but it looks like she is learning to overcome her nerves.

stevos
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:09 AM
Yeah... :D what did u think She has allot of hustle doesn't she ? :worship:
Ya she gets there! :worship: And her backhand was looking good, I liked the angle of the camera, kind of like a courside angle :)

dagamezbest
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:10 AM
Do any of you have clips from the match?

crazyroberto6767
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:11 AM
I downloaded the match and just watched it. Except for the occasional chip and charge by Flipkens, this match was almost exclusively played from the baseline. Flipkens' forehand doesn't translate nearly as well to grass as her backhand does. Her forehand has a pretty big backswing and gets somewhat loopy, neither of these things working well on grass. Her backhand, however, is almost made for grass. She sliced *a lot* of backhands, giving JJ some awkward low balls. She also has the ability to hit flat winners of that wing, definitely her better shot so far in this match. Jamea is pretty strong off both wings, hitting mostly flat off both sides. She has very nice angles, and uses the whole court well. JJ was the first to strike in this match, breaking to get to 3-2 with a nice volley (I think both players could benefit from increased net play, both are competent volliers). Flipkens broke back in the next game on a backhand error by JJ. The errors starting creeping in Jamea's game at this point, and Flipkens started to pick it up. Flipkens broke again to get to 5-3 with two straight forehand winners. Flipkens built a 40-15 lead in the next game (2 set pts) with very nice serving. She threw away the first one with a DF and Jamea saved the 2nd one with a very nice double-handed volley winner. JamJam took the game with a big backhand return two points later. So far, the match is pretty high quality, with only a slight patch of poor play from Jamea (which was negated by Flipkens' nice play). Jamea's serve is definitely vunerable, she had a few DF's and her first serve is no weapon. So Flipkens could very well break to take the set tomorrow. I'll definitely be watching.

On a side note, JamJam is pretty good-looking, bad hair and all :p.

stevos
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:16 AM
I downloaded the match and just watched it. Except for the occasional chip and charge by Flipkens, this match was almost exclusively played from the baseline. Flipkens' forehand doesn't translate nearly as well to grass as her backhand does. Her forehand has a pretty big backswing and gets somewhat loopy, neither of these things working well on grass. Her backhand, however, is almost made for grass. She sliced *a lot* of backhands, giving JJ some awkward low balls. She also has the ability to hit flat winners of that wing, definitely her better shot so far in this match. Jamea is pretty strong off both wings, hitting mostly flat off both sides. She has very nice angles, and uses the whole court well. JJ was the first to strike in this match, breaking to get to 3-2 with a nice volley (I think both players could benefit from increased net play, both are competent volliers). Flipkens broke back in the next game on a backhand error by JJ. The errors starting creeping in Jamea's game at this point, and Flipkens started to pick it up. Flipkens broke again to get to 5-3 with two straight forehand winners. Flipkens built a 40-15 lead in the next game (2 set pts) with very nice serving. She threw away the first one with a DF and Jamea saved the 2nd one with a very nice double-handed volley winner. JamJam took the game with a big backhand return two points later. So far, the match is pretty high quality, with only a slight patch of poor play from Jamea (which was negated by Flipkens' nice play). Jamea's serve is definitely vunerable, she had a few DF's and her first serve is no weapon. So Flipkens could very well break to take the set tomorrow. I'll definitely be watching.

On a side note, JamJam is pretty good-looking, bad hair and all :p.

Better believe it ;) :worship:

patricio
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:21 AM
Yeah, Im watching it right now... I like Jamea's game but I notice she is more of a clay courter... too much spin for the grass. Flipkens is a crappy player with a nice slice for the grass thats all.

patricio
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:22 AM
ohh and Capriati must be Jameas idol, her backhand is very much Capriati like

dagamezbest
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:45 AM
Where are you guys downloading this from?

cellophane
Jun 27th, 2006, 03:47 AM
Where are you guys downloading this from?

From the Wimbledon website. You have to buy a $ 20 pass to get access to live matches on 9 courts. All the matches are taped, so that you can watch later as well.

patricio
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:02 AM
From the Wimbledon website. You have to buy a $ 20 pass to get access to live matches on 9 courts. All the matches are taped, so that you can watch later as well.
Really cool service... I have it and Im amazed

caseyl45
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:04 AM
I think some of you are underestimating Flipkens a little bit. Having followed her results a little bit the past few years, I definitely think there's potential to be ranked well above where she's currently sitting. She gave Meghan Shaughnessy a huge scare in Fed Cup not too long ago (Belgian fans could give you the exact score), and she's had some interesting results in the few WTA events she has played. As someone noted, she is a junior champion here, and as far as the Grand Slams are concerned, her best results, by a comfortable margin, have come at Wimbledon (before Roland Garros this year). A little bit more consistency, and this girl is easily a top-100 player by the end of this year. At her very best, her results suggest that the top 30 isn't an unreasonable estimate.
As for Jackson, I was impressed with her game at Fed Cup, and I was pleasantly surprised when she beat Maria Sharapova at Birmingham, because I didn't think she could do it. I definitely think she's the kind of player who gets herself pumped up for the big occasions, and I'd like to see her do well here. She'd better get Flipkens figured out, though, or else I definitely think she could be leaving early.

* A side note: I watched the final few points of this match before the rain delay on ESPN, and I found it interesting how the commentators seemed to go out of their way to give Flipkens some serious props. Usually, if they don't think a player has a chance in a match, they have an almost-condescending attitude towards that player. Does anyone who watched ESPN this morning think that they think Jackson could be in trouble?

cellophane
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:06 AM
Really cool service... I have it and Im amazed

Hopefully the price doesn't go up next year (if they still have it), and they'll have all courts available. Really, this is the future of live tennis. all Slams should have it.

patricio
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:07 AM
I think some of you are underestimating Flipkens a little bit. Having followed her results a little bit the past few years, I definitely think there's potential to be ranked well above where she's currently sitting. She gave Meghan Shaughnessy a huge scare in Fed Cup not too long ago (Belgian fans could give you the exact score), and she's had some interesting results in the few WTA events she has played. As someone noted, she is a junior champion here, and as far as the Grand Slams are concerned, her best results, by a comfortable margin, have come at Wimbledon (before Roland Garros this year). A little bit more consistency, and this girl is easily a top-100 player by the end of this year. At her very best, her results suggest that the top 30 isn't an unreasonable estimate.
As for Jackson, I was impressed with her game at Fed Cup, and I was pleasantly surprised when she beat Maria Sharapova at Birmingham, because I didn't think she could do it. I definitely think she's the kind of player who gets herself pumped up for the big occasions, and I'd like to see her do well here. She'd better get Flipkens figured out, though, or else I definitely think she could be leaving early.

* A side note: I watched the final few points of this match before the rain delay on ESPN, and I found it interesting how the commentators seemed to go out of their way to give Flipkens some serious props. Usually, if they don't think a player has a chance in a match, they have an almost-condescending attitude towards that player. Does anyone who watched ESPN this morning think that they think Jackson could be in trouble?
Jackson is in trouble because she is playing top spin in grass!

patricio
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:08 AM
Hopefully the price doesn't go up next year (if they still have it), and they'll have all courts available. Really, this is the future of live tennis. all Slams should have it.
i couldnt agree more

dagamezbest
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:11 AM
did anyone save it and upload this match anywhere?

cellophane
Jun 27th, 2006, 04:27 AM
did anyone save it and upload this match anywhere?

You probably wouldn't be able to watch it without a licnse anyway, even if someone did upload it.

Dokic Pierce
Jun 27th, 2006, 05:16 AM
Do people think that Jamea will be smart enough to work out what she was doing wrong against Kirsten to be able to beat her?

I am just interested that she has had such a good run on grass the past few weeks and then seems to really struggle in her first match at Wimbledon.

Also, who do you think the break will help more?

dagamezbest
Jun 27th, 2006, 05:35 AM
Breaks usually help the more talented player because it gives them a chacnce to take a look at what they were doing wrong and try to fix it, or adjust their game. I dont know much about Kirsten but far as rankings Jamea is the more talented player and she has had a great run on the grass this year. Kirsten is in great form, she was qualifier and they are always tough to beat, but I just dont see Jamea going out first round on a surface that suits her game. But I could be wrong.

JuanRodriguez
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:13 AM
She gave Meghan Shaughnessy a huge scare in Fed Cup not too long ago (Belgian fans could give you the exact score), and she's had some interesting results in the few WTA events she has played.

Here's the score:
R2 - M.SHAUGHNESSY (USA) def. K.FLIPKENS (BEL) 6-7(4) 7-6(8) 9-7

This was 2,5 years ago at Moscow. Since then Flipkens couldn't prove her abilities due to continuating injuries, apart from a semi-final at Forest Hills in 2004 beating Camerin and Loit.

Apart from her injuries she already beat Pichet, Chakvetadze, Medina Garrigues, Diaz-Oliva, Domachowska, Martinez-Granados, Vinci, Schruff, Farina Elia, Poutchek, Oprandi, Savchuk, Sun... and is looking for some more (and better) wins in the near future... beginning with Jamea Jackson? ;) :angel:

JuanRodriguez
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:17 AM
Breaks usually help the more talented player because it gives them a chacnce to take a look at what they were doing wrong and try to fix it, or adjust their game. I dont know much about Kirsten but far as rankings Jamea is the more talented player and she has had a great run on the grass this year. Kirsten is in great form, she was qualifier and they are always tough to beat, but I just dont see Jamea going out first round on a surface that suits her game. But I could be wrong.

Flipkens is very talented and her game als suits very well on fast courts, like grass and hardcourt. Her runs at the junior US Open and Wimbledon championships 2003 are quite impressive:

The Junior Championships, Wimbledon Great Britain
GA 28 Jun 2003 to 06 Jul 2003 Entry : Grass (I)
64 W Tamara BUNIC (CRO) 6-3 6-3
32 W Alisa KLEYBANOVA (RUS) 6-3 6-7(4) 7-5
16 W Ana IVANOVIC (YUG) 2-6 6-3 6-2
QF W Sunitha RAO (USA) 6-3 6-2
SF W Jarmila GAJDOSOVA (SVK) 2-6 6-4 10-8
FR W Anna CHAKVETADZE (RUS) 6-4 3-6 6-3

US Open Junior Championships USA
GA 30 Aug 2003 to 07 Sep 2003 Entry : Hard (I)
64 W Julia COHEN (USA) 6-3 6-1
32 W Vania KING (USA) 6-1 6-1
16 W Sanja ANCIC (CRO) 6-0 6-2
QF W Olga GOVORTSOVA (BLR) 6-1 4-6 6-3
SF W Katerina BONDARENKO (UKR) 6-1 4-6 6-2
FR W Michaella KRAJICEK (NED) 6-3 7-5

stevos
Jun 27th, 2006, 06:33 AM
Really cool service... I have it and Im amazed
Me too, Im loving it, and the Jamea match is really good quality picture.
It feels like such a bargain!

Tichi
Jun 27th, 2006, 07:54 AM
Flipkens is the kind of player that will be consistent in the top 100, a ranking around 80 I predict.
I suppose the reason why she is playing so good is that she went to observe Jackson's training the other day. With her coach, she analysed JJ's game, so she knows how to play her. I'm afraid that JJ will come up with a gameplan, now that they had to interrupt their match.

Uranus
Jun 27th, 2006, 08:13 AM
Flipkens is the kind of player that will be consistent in the top 100, a ranking around 80 I predict.
I suppose the reason why she is playing so good is that she went to observe Jackson's training the other day. With her coach, she analysed JJ's game, so she knows how to play her. I'm afraid that JJ will come up with a gameplan, now that they had to interrupt their match.
Is Kirsten still coached by Marc Dehous?

JuanRodriguez
Jun 27th, 2006, 08:29 AM
Is Kirsten still coached by Marc Dehous?

Yes she is :)

http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/mediatheek/foto-060626_Wimbledon/IB_060626_Wim_Flipkens_b.jpg

Dehous - Henin - Flipkens

Allez-H
Jun 27th, 2006, 10:40 AM
Cool pic :D

I hope Kirsten will keep up the good job, a win would be absolutly fantastic :ounce:

Allez-H
Jun 27th, 2006, 10:45 AM
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/sport_master/tennis/wimbledon/060627_belgen_dinsdag/S_060626_wim_Jackson_Flipkens.jpg

Carmen Mairena
Jun 27th, 2006, 11:29 AM
Go Jamea! :scared: